>Family and friends think I'm a paranoid gun nut for getting a concealed carry
>"Lol anon doesn't feel safe going into dairy queen without his pistol!"
>"Anon do you really have to have that thing out on the table next to you? I would feel more comfortable if you put it in the safe."
>"Lol dont piss off anon, he might pull out his pistol!"
does anyone else have liberal cuckfuck family and friends? For the most part I consider myself pretty liberally minded in most things, but when it comes to self defense and second amendment rights I break the mold. I feel like I dont belong to the liberal community but I also dont belong to the conservative community :(
Who else knows these feels? Why the fuck does everything have to either be completely black or completely white? Whatever happened to having moderate viewpoints on different things?
>>29402362
Dunno man.
I carry, but I'm a cop, so the biggest thing that pisses my shit off is say I'm out drinking with my buddy or something and a guy gets in his face and he says something stupid like..
>HEY! IF I WERE YOU I'D BACK OFF! MY BUDDY RIGHT THERE'S A FUCKING COP!
that leaves me in a situation where I kinda have to respond, but at the same time I could get royally fucked up because we're in a bar and lolnocarry because alcohol.
>>29402404
Carrying a gun while out drinking is a felony.
>>29402404
Christ, not to mention your friend is painting a giant fucking target on your back for anyone around you who has a chip on his/her shoulder for cops. Sounds like your friend it using you as a weapon of sorts.
>>29402409
He's a cop, it's a slapbon the wrist at worst.
>>29402362
Do you really need it on the table? Keep it holstered, wtf.
>>29402362
As a libertarian socialist, I understand perfectly not fitting in nearly with either camp.
Regarding the gun, I'd recommend concealing it and not talking about it. You do, after all, have a licence to conceal it.
>>29402430
>Do you really need it on the table? Keep it holstered, wtf.
I don't generally walk around my house with my holster on, especially if I have been carrying all day, it is nice to take it off sometimes and just put it in a place that is easy to reach.
>>29402409
I know, which is what I said.
>lolnocarry because alcohol
>>29402414
It happens with literally everyone I go out with ever.
If anyone has a problem they immediately throw out how I'm a cop, where as I try to keep that shit under wraps as much as possible off duty. Some retards I work with like to wear their badge on their belt off duty, but I have an entirely seperate wallet for my wallet badge just so only the people I WANT to see it do.
>>29402409
>>29402404
It's like you guys enjoy being robbed and raped. If your senses are dulled by a bit of alcohol, you are more susceptible to attack. Therefore, it is even more important to be armed.
The second amendment is to secure our human right to self defense/own inanimate property.
>>29402432
Yeah. I actually haven't talked about it much at all. I've told a few choice family that I thought were trustworthy who decided to spread the info that I'm carrying to every and anyone who listens. Def won't make that same mistake again. I pretty much feel vilified.
>>29402430
Good thing we have corrupt shitheads enforcing the law. I actually have a story about exactly about this. Cops are corrupt as hell
>>29402456
>Some retards I work with like to wear their badge on their belt off duty
That sounds absolutely idiotic. If I was a cop I would be like you and keep that information as close to the chest as possible when off duty. Sounds like you should have a talk with your friends about OPSEC. I'm sure they don't mean anything by it but It sounds like they don't understand that shouting to the sky that you're a cop could get you fucking killed.
>>29402466
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization you've got there. Sounds like something a teenager would say.
>ALL COPS ARE CORRUPT FUCK THE SYSTEM!
>ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS FUCK MUSLIMS!
Good cops bad cops, good people bad people. I was a first responder and I know firsthand how many unsung good cops there actually are, but the media portrays all law enforcement as evil monsters who love to kill dindu's. Grow up.
>>29402466
Yup, us fucking pigs man.
Want to know a secret? We actually get a bonus if we manage to infringe on over half of someone's rights in a single stop.
>>29402490
The problem is that I'm 22, so my friends mean well, they just think being a cop is like being in the illuminati, and think it's cool to have a friend who's one of "them"
They're retarded but I love them anyway.
>>29402538
Sucks man. I sorta got that while I was military, but I feel like cops have to deal with shit like that way more. Props to you and law enforcement. Ive got huge respect to anybody who can walk up on a car in the middle of the night.
>>29402362
Sort of.
>Live with grandma because lol new century cuckfest
>Live in MN and she is from 'up nort' originally so she understands owning rifles and shotguns
>I went for C&C permit as my ticket to semi-auto fun because MN laws
>She does not like my AK until I explain to her the benefits of its application on animals common around her cabin and coyotes around aunt's farm
>She is now more OK with it
>Express desire to get a handgun
>NO HANDGUNS THEY'RE SCARY BECAUSE YOU CAN CARRY THEM ON YOU
>Thats the idea. Also I have the permit
>NO ONE WHO DOES THAT IS LIVING WITH ME
>....So the Sheriff's endorsement isn't good enough for you?
>NO.
>I got a full-size Beretta 92
>Explain it's a bitch to try and carry this anyway
>She is currently coping with the situation.
Sigh... need to move out.. thank god for my new job. I can't stand it anymore. This lady is the worst qualities of repub and democrap rolled into one.
>Values living 'off the grid' and being as self-sufficient as possible, while not giving a fuck about what any elected official says that disagrees with her world view.
>Expects me to be lawful except when the law allows for fun
>>29402538
I have one question for you. To preface, I am not a cop-hating fuckstick.
Do they actually teach you how to navigate around the Bill of Rights, or is that bullshit spun by fucksticks?
>advertising you concealed carry
What's the point even
>>29402553
Thanks man, I get the vet feelings man, I got that going on too, but I'm a POG.
Before this I was an EMT, so really I'm just pumped to be able to get out there and interact with the community.
>>29402558
No, not at all. Generally the people that make the biggest stinks about "I know muh rights" are the biggest criminal fuckups. They don't actually know the rights because they study them and love our country, they know them because they've interacted with the system and gotten busted so many times they learn how best to hamstring us.
We do try our best to work around those people, but to answer your base question, no, I have actual criminals to catch, and frankly, I have no desire to hassle the good, average people of my town.
Nope. Proguns as fuck
>building my second AR
>dad wants in
>help day through process of building a rifle
>currently building one for my younger brother
>got CC permit
>accidentally show it to dad
>no fair why do you have one before me
>asks me for carry advice
>>29402558
That sounds shitty..she comes from a background where she understands the application of firearms, is OK with you owning an AK...but doesn't want you to carry a pistol?! Wtf. Luckily all I have to deal with is griping and snide comments. My girlfriend was initially super against me owning firearms (super liberal tumblrina type) but when I explained to her that she could gtfo of my apartment if she didn't like it, she settled down quite a bit. Now she wants to learn how to shoot which is a decent turn of events.
>>29402614
I was a POG too. Fire prot to be precise. I've seen some pretty real shit but combat roles always get the glory and prestige.
>>29402619
Fucking jealous dude. Must be nice. Trying to get a few of my buddies to go with me but they are hesitant. One of them literally thinks he will be able to defend himself with one of the swords from his collection.
>>29402640
Ah, Security Forces here. I'm a cop in the civilian world, and a cop in the military world.
>>29402614
>No, not at all.
I didn't think so. I once had interest in trying to go cop, but being a fat fuck with poor college participation makes that hard.
>>29402631
>is OK with you owning an AK
Only marginally
>but doesn't want you to carry a pistol?!
Yup.
There's a lot of screws loose in her head, unfortunately. I blame it on her backwoods farmer childhood not allowing her to actually mature as an intelligent person with a grasp of how social interactions work.
>"Concealed Carry"
>out on the table
They were right to bitch at you for it. A CCW stays hidden.
>>29402457
>>29402877
get your doritos out of my face. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
>>29402362
The culture in liberal states is inherently anti-self defense since they either believe:
>all people are inherently good
>government is infallible
Both of the above are delusional.
I've seen them look down on people for pre-emptively seeking the services of a lawyer. Self preservation should be a basic instinct, and being able to think ahead farther than your next impulse should be a good thing, but in liberal lala land it's "problematic". Their culture is fucking sick.
No one cares that I carry. A lot of friends / family is pro gun. The only ppl in my group who are anti gun keep their mouth shut
Yup. My family are insane regressive liberals that are anti-2nd amendment and anti-1st amendment if it hurts people's feelings or if they disagree with it.
My mother has threatened to kidnap my daughter because I have an AR-15 and I told her that I would not hesitate to press charges against her if she ever tries to do something like that. They're voting for Clinton.
>>29402905
>I've seen them look down on people for pre-emptively seeking the services of a lawyer. Self preservation should be a basic instinct, and being able to think ahead farther than your next impulse should be a good thing, but in liberal lala land it's "problematic". Their culture is fucking sick.
Billions of years of evolution only to end up with these pathetic delusional cunts.
>>29402490
Sounds like a neighbor I had in high school. He was a beaner cop who ran around with a pistol on his hip, backup tucked in his back, and his badge on his belt. His daughter (another piece of shit) told me he had a third gun in an ankle holster. He also liked to drive his patrol car home and park it in front of his house.
I told the whole family to fuck off after his daughter's boyfriend threatened to shoot me. I told the guy (daughter's boyfriend) that I had a rifle to deal with him if he came around, and he cried to aforementioned beaner cop, who accused me of threatening to shoot his house. The local PD (I think he was LAPD and we were in the suburbs) knew all about the pos family and said lolno.
>>29403003
It's practically mob rule based on feelings should you live around them. They're OK with legitimate harassment to suppress opposition when it fits their agenda/feelings, but the moment you even make a slight mistake like hesitating too long while trying to figure out what pronoun to call a transgendered cat you're in the "worse than hitler" category.
>My mother has threatened to kidnap my daughter because I have an AR-15
Jesus Christ...that is fucking insane dude. Good for you for telling her where to put a threat like that...
>>29403027
What a shit fucking cop. Hopefully he is no longer an officer because people like him fuel media propaganda in this fucking country. Shit enrages me.
>>29402362
>telling anyone but your spouse / dog about your guns
It's almost as if your hate yourself
>>29403027
>LAPD
Disgusting. I've dealt with agencies all over the US, and LAPD and NYPD are the worst to work with.
Agencies from liberal states are the worst, because they feel like gods. They're the only ones with guns generally and are virtually accountable to nobody.
I'm from a pretty red state, which means a lot of people from my town are from LEO or military families, and if we get caught out doing stupid shit we would be fucking crucified. We are held heavily accountable to our townspeople, and can't fuck around like what these disgusting frat boys with guns.
I had that issue at first. My family (mostly my mom) were very anti gun. We're immigrants and now permanent residents so we can own guns but my mom was adamant that I would get in trouble for owning them.
There were some local break ins and now my mom is much more open to the idea of having firearms in the house as long as I teach her how to use them. My dad is much more open about it and he's way into it now.
Other than that, my ex girlfriend would say "You can't bring that in my house, blah blah blah, it's dangerous, blah blah blah, I can't smoke weed with guns in the house, blah blah blah" but as soon as we had to be in a not so nice area of AZ, she would ask me if I was carrying.
They can't imagine why anyone would need it, until they need it.
>>29402457
This. Fucking kills me how everybody on here is ready to go full Woverines!! but massa gubmint says I can't carry when I'm having beers and the law is the law after all.
>>29402362
All you have to do is ask: "why do you guys think about violence and acting crazy whenever you think about guns? Are you unstable?"
They're the ones who think of shooting people and going crazy whenever they see your gun. They're the ones that are messed up
>>29402877
>>29403042
How dare you not know that my pet cat is a lesbian crocodile in the body of a male cat.
>I want this anon banned forever due to hate crimes
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
>I think freedom is important, except when it isn't
>>29403085
>>29403155
This was in 1991. I'm sure he's long retired by now. I thought I was fucked when it happened, but when my father and I had to go to the local PD to get his rifle back (yes, I really did have a rifle to deal with the cholo boyfriend) it was obvious that the local cops hated him.
Other than him and a pos who I had to deal with as a platoon sergeant in Afghanistan, most of the cops I've dealt with were ok.
>>29403307
Eh, my point still stands. Liberal cops suck fuck.
Cops are not created equal.
Virtually every cop in my state is some III%er type or whatnot, whereas most of the cops on the east or west coasts are statists.
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
>I literally have no idea what I'm doing
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
that's not how that works
>>29402362
I would make fun of you too, cuck.
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
>>29402362
Because Americans hate moderation and rationality. If it ain't hardline then it ain't right.
>>29403161
>can't smoke weed with guns around
Why the fuck not? I love cleaning my AK blazed as fuck, like what if I'm out smoking an a nigger tries to jack my shit? Well joke on him I can operate like a motherfucker while high.
>>29403292
>>29403443
>>29403693
>>29403400
From Wikipedia:
>Libertarian socialism (sometimes called socialist libertarianism) is a group of anti-authoritarian political philosophies inside the socialist movement that rejects socialism in the form of centralized state ownership and control of the economy.
In short, I believe in maximizing individual liberty and in the state having a hand in maintaining a minimum standard of living.
Anyway, let's talk about guns instead of politics, and ways to deal with people being irrationaly scared of guns.
>>29403932
>maximizing individual liberty
>the state having a hand in maintaining a minimum standard of living.
pick one
>>29403932
Well share a story commienigger.
>>29403923
I don't smoke. She did.
Permanent resident, can't have a record if I want to be a citizen. I've been here too long to risk it.
>>29404015
Ah that makes sense. Well it will be legal in 10 years, I highly recommend trying a strain called Blue Dream.
>>29403973
I don't really have a story. I live at home while I'm finishing my degree. I own two rifles (a Savage 64G and a K31), and keep them under lock and key to prevent my unstable and brain damaged brother from knowing they exist. When I don't live with him anymore, I plan to get a handgun and intend to carry it. My Dad was uncomfortable about the idea of me having them at first, but I took him shooting and he pretty much agrees that as long as they're locked up it's fine.
>>29403970
>implying a government can't maintain roads or provide emergency services without infringing on your liberty
muh taxes, muh big gubbmint
>>29404052
taxation is theft
>>29404052
Come to Kansas and tell me how many services a "tax-free" government provides
>>29404105
>Come to Kansas
no, thanks
>>29403923
>I love cleaning my AK blazed as fuck
You have a problem.
>>29403932
>>29403970
>>29404052
To be honest that sounds like something I've always believed should be a thing. Government is an institution we, as individuals, give power so it can do things for us. It seems that falls to shit when people forget this, and really "libertarian socialism" (if that's what you want to call it) was basically what this country was like up until the 1830's or so.
I'm cool with it.
>>29404090
>doesn't understand how anything works, the post
I would ask if you're an anarchist or delusional, but really they're the same thing lmao
>>29403932
>using wikipedia as a source.
You can make up any retarded shit you want, that doesn't mean it makes sense.
The two are fundamentally different and in no way are they mixable. Your logic would have to be retarded beyond muh feels liberal logic to not understand how vastly incompatible the two are. Your whole view is a ridiculous impossible contradiction.
>>29403932
>inside the socialist movement
>that rejects socialism in the form of centralized state ownership and control of the economy.
So what I'm getting from all this is that you guys aren't socialists, you're just worried that people will mistake you for one of those icky rednecks if you say you're a libertarian simpliciter.
Well, OK, LARP what you gotta LARP I guess.
>>29404126
Sounds like he has a solution tbqh.
>>29402362
idealists make heros, moderates make cowards. Get fucked asshole.
>>29402432
>librarian socialist
>>29402466
>it's a good we have mass killings with guns. I actually have a few stories of school shooters. all gun owners are crazy!
This is you
>>29404127
>really "libertarian socialism" (if that's what you want to call it) was basically what this country was like up until the 1830's or so.
>no income tax
>voting restricted to property owners in most states
>no central bank
>in fact, no state-owned enterprises of any kind, except the military (which was mostly militia) and maybe surveyors
>capital is privately owned (or as in the case of land purchases divvied up among private citizens as quickly as they can claim it)
>no public education
>no redistribution except through private charity
>no unions because pre-industrialization
>socialist
So far, I am pretty confident in saying that anybody calling himself a libertarian socialist is either a socialist ashamed to admit he's a socialist or a libertarian ashamed to admit he's a libertarian.
>>29404190
If you prefer to think of it as anti-authoritarian leftist, or left-libertarian, that's also legitimate.
>>29404167
The claim that libertarianism is incompatible with progressivism is specious at best. There are well-developed political philosophies on the matter, and the fact that you haven't heard of them (and deny that they exist!) only displays your ignorance.
>>29404126
No you have the problem faggot.
>>29404282
People can call the sky green with purple spots and the grass blue, and make detailed "well developed philosophies" as to why they are right.
That doesn't make it any more true or less insane.
>>29402362
don't even get me started
this happened a few days ago.
> sitting in room reassembling AR.
>hear dad freaking out saying "what the hell are you doing in my yard?"
>see junkie trying to steal rakes.
>grab rifle prepared to hold him.
>dad stops me.
>brings the junkie inside
>WAT.dll.
>junkie offers me a beer.
>I remain silent
>go back in my room.
> junkie starts knocking on my door so i tell him to fuck off.
>he ask me if i want to rob the big 5,
>dad lets him leave with the rakes he tried to steal and hopes he returns him.
How can this man be so dumb. he offered work for that pile of degenerate. two days ago he stole shit out of my grandpas shed. what do i do. my parents don't even want me to call the cops on this guy and he's potentially armed. WAT DO /k/?
>>29404282
Name some popularizers of libertarian socialism, please.
>I love cleaning my AK blazed as fuck
Smoking pot and firearm ownership dont mix. Time to grow up anon.
>>29404126
He does. It should be an m16a1 for that real Vietnam feel.
>>29404446
SHALL
>>29404052
>as long as they're locked up it's fine.
hate that mentality. what is the point of having them if they are locked up when you need them
>>29404192
LOL. Blowhard idealists are what make this country so backwards.
>>29404406
Does your dad know the guy? Even if he does it sounds like your dad lives in an encased bubble world where nothing bad ever happens. Nice that the junkie now knows the layout of your entire house, where each of you sleep, where to enter with his junkie friends when you are all sleeping etc. Your dad sounds like a fucking terrible head of household that is risking the lives of the people he cares about most. I'd gtfo asap if I were you.
>>29404406
Be an adult and move out, faggot. Or accept that you being someone who isn't the property owner your wants are curtailed.
>>29402362
Married anon here, wife and I both have our CPLs and our own pistols.
Our families think it is a little strange except for each of our sets of grandparents, who are all for us carrying.
As far as politics go my wife is largely apolitical but agrees with the left. I am center-left & support people's rights including gun rights.
It gets tiring explaining why we have guns to people. To be completely honest I don't feel like I need to explain "why." I have one because I want to and can. Rather have it and not need it right?
Pic related, our state.
>>29404440
Hillel Steiner and Peter Vallentyne would probably be the two most significant. Other proponents are largely anarchists in one way or another, but they exist.
>>29404474
Once I don't live with someone who has an IQ of 74 coupled with bipolar and a brain injury that cripples his emotional processing ability, I'll keep a home defense weapon readily available.
>>29404252
It is possible to believe that people can work for society, but in doing so, incur a debt from society, and thus, should be granted certain benefits that can only be had when the collective works together.
IE like how you can have decent health insurance for less than 40 dollars a month because there's a couple million people paying into the same pool you'll have the ability to withdraw from and only a few thousand do this every day.
Or how you can think that it's okay for a corporation to make money how it wants, but if doing so causes damage to the environment or planet, which everybody owns, they should be liable to pay for damages in pursuit of restoration, or be forced to minimize them as much as possible.
Or having to pay for a well functioning military because national security is something that concerns not just the people today, but the lives that are to come years from now.
Or having the right to not listen to bible thumping fucktards when they flip their shit about dudes doing each other up the ass or smoke dope, or have libtards try to send you to guantanamo bay because your CCW printed.
Or decent education since Google, NASA, Lockheed, Boeing, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, basically every major technological and R&D institution conglomerate is pushing us to the brink of where there is a vast disparity between high school graduates and even students who take a fucking Associates in Generals, which is only doubled if it's shifted to an associates of science, very clearly pointing out that our kids are dumb shits and the education system needs to be reworked.
How about you use the words mommy and daddy taught you and actually give a position instead of throwing a tantrum and saying Anarchism is best because fuck clean drinking water, industry of any sort, the social contract, not having to worry about roving bands of chocos and niggers, or decent education so you're not a dumb piece of shit that can be more easily oppressed.
>>29404542
Don't explain, tell them it's none of their business..or don't let ppl know you own/carry.
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
Do you know what either of these words mean?
>>29404566
Yeah we don't tell many people except for our mothers and siblings (neither of us have dads) who were either neutral or mildly opposed.
>>29404542
It is pretty crazy how oblivious people are to real world possibilities of violence happening to them. I guess it is conditioning from first world country comforts. So many people dont even think about what they would do in an emergency situation until it hits them in the face. My sister doesnt even lock her fucking door in OR outside the home. She has literally said to me "I cant stop people from coming in, and if I die I die!" Fucking seriously? Of course you can harden your home, of course you can defend yourself in the hopes of not fucking dying to some predator. Fucking people man.
>>29403215
This shit right here.
>>29402409
Sadly, carrying into a bar in WA State is against the law as well. I haven't drank any alcohol in almost 30 years. But I still can't go in with friends, have a cup of coffee and be the designated driver.
>>29402409
its not even illegal in every state let alone a felony, retard
>>29404453
You can afford more Ammo and better guns when not buying dime bags all day.
>>29404626
I couldn't even imagine leaving my stuff or house unlocked. We live in a rather small town but it has a moderate drug problem where transients car prowl a bunch. The thought of one of those junkies getting into my unlocked door makes me cringe.
Like I said my grandparents are all for us owning guns for exactly the reasons you stated. When it comes to a situation like that where it is life or death and you don't just "accept" dying, you do anything you can to live. Part of that is a gun. Most people in their lives never have to worry about it but why put it into chance?
>>29404564
I think you're skipping some steps in the dialectic here.
libertarian socialist anon:
>"libertarian socialism"...was basically what this country (I'm assuming US, is that where the misunderstanding is coming from?) was like up until the 1830s or so
I proceeded to list various salient and central ways in which pre-1830s USA was not socialist--lack of redistributive taxation, almost entirely private ownership of capital and the means of production, relative lack of industrialization, restrictive franchise, etc.
Are you arguing that the USA was, in fact, "libertarian socialist" in some meaningful sense until the 1830s or so? If so, what are your arguments? If not, what are you trying to say?
>>29403932
>I believe in maximizing individual liberty
>and in the state having a hand in maintaining a minimum standard of living.
These are mutually exclusive ideas.
"Libertarian Socialism" is an oxymoron.
>>29402362
>Be living at home still
>Have CCW permit. Own two pistols and a rifle
>Both parents are liberal hippies
>Mom always huffs and puffs around when I am cleaning my guns
>"anon why do you NEED those?"
>Watching tv one night with mom
>Someone pounds on the door at 10:30PM
>Mom looks at me in panic, "Anon go get your gun!!"
>>29404529
nope doesn't know the guy. and this is why he isn't the head of the house hold. that title goes to my mother. if he comes into the house hes definitely going to get a lead necklace.
>>29404536
oh sure let me just wave my magic wand and spontaneously generate a house with food, ammo, money and a border collie for a guy fresh out of hs. but wait the world doesn't work like that especially in Oregon.
>>29404529
>>29404529
nope doesn't know the guy. and this is why he isn't the head of the house hold. that title goes to my mother. if he comes into the house hes definitely going to get a lead necklace.
>>29404536
oh sure let me just wave my magic wand and spontaneously generate a house with food, ammo, money and a border collie for a guy fresh out of hs. but wait the world doesn't work like that especially in Oregon.
Good question. In for ideas.
>tfw mom is typical antigun suburban jew
>tfw dad shot guns when he was a kid but stopped when he went off to college
>tfw grew up antigun in antigun family
>tfw finally have money and a place of my own
>tfw now hazguns
>tfw figuring out how to convert my family
Thinking of offering my dad an AR for his birthday and seeing what he says. My sister might also be open to getting into guns, despite being a purple-haired lesbian at an Ivy League school. hrmm
>>29402362
Encourage an upstanding Negro gentleman to pay them an uninvited visit during the nighttime with acquisitive intent towards their valuables.
Suddenly they'll all wish they had been armed.
>>29404767
That is a shame your father is so passive. Sounds way to giving and kind for his own good. Letting someone like that into your home is a huge mistake. You should purchase some door alarms and cheapo motion cameras at strategic spots near your doorways if you Havent already. Maybe look into "entrance-way hardening" on good to find tips how to make your door jamb and door more secure against break ins. It has pretty much fallen to you at this point to defend your household considering your ignorant ass father put you all at risk.
For cameras, check out "arlo" or "blink security cams". Run on batteries and you can set them to alert to your phone in case of emergency. Get some alarms for the window glass too. You absolutely need to start securing the house TODAY if your story is true. Junkies are incredibly erratic and he has most likely targeted your house for some future crime. I was an EMT and have seen some pretty terrible break-ins over my career, one of which ended in the murder of the owners because the junkie need money, in a situation very much like yours (the junkie knew the interior of the property because they invited him in).
I would speak with your mother if she is more apt to listen as well, totally circumvent your father because he sounds like a fool. Speak to her about having an emergency meeting point somewhere in the house in case of a break in, or if you are too far apart speak with her about what should happen in such a scenario.
Make no mistake dude, you are in the shit now. Treat this as a matter of utmost urgency. Good luck.
>>29404699
> I found this flowchart helpful.
Just entering this conversation and generally hold moderate-independent views. I find the libertarian philosophy interesting because it emboldens the individual.
I also understand a basic need for government/collectivism, etc. for the purposes of maintaining certain critical infrastructure. In that way I don't necessarily believe "tax is theft", because those same individuals generally still drive on the common roads, drink the common water, etc.
I understand that the two ideas are adversarial, but I like to think there is a balance somewhere in there that could be beneficial to all. What the fuck does that make me politically?
I think the socialist-liberatarian Anon believes in that thing in the way idealistic communists believe in communism. His explanation would be great, if everyone willingly agreed to participate. Fact of the matter is, a large enough group wouldn't that it causes the entire system to collapse in on itself. Or it starts out that way until someone usurps control, under the guise of building such a system.
>>29402466
"A cop gave me a ticket because I was going 100 in a 35 and now I hate all cops" - You.
>>29404536
additionally i love my family and will do anything to prevent harm to them even if they don't like it
>>29404759
I got that a few times from my ex.
>shes 1000% antigun
>constant complaints about my guns
>"anon theres a lotta black kids walking down the street! get your gun!" etc., etc.
>>29404983
sounds like an ex for a reason.
>>29403027
i knew a faggot like that. when i was in the young marines one of the leader guys was a cop and would carry his gun on his belt owb and had his badge on it. like cmon dude youre a huge faggot just walk around like a normal person
>with family earlier celebrating Ishtar
>be socially open and liberty loving like Jesus
>extended family is that weird mid-western cafeteria christian anti-gun, anti-liberty except when it's about them
>everyone's getting a ccl because NIGGERS 'cept crime rates are dropping
>grandpa argues that no one should be "allowed" to sell guns privately 'cause niggers
When I asked how could you stop people from selling privately everyone proclaimed "MUH FEELINGS"
>>29404015
I feel your pain. I heaved a big sigh of relief when I finally got citizenship. It feels good to be able to stop worrying about every little infraction possibly ruining your life.
>>29404912
>What the fuck does that make me..?
Smart. You're thinking this through yourself which is more than can be said of most people.
Personally I've always found it better to explain my views on the subject outright than use a label to explain them- my two cents.
>>29402432
>libertarian socalist
>literally believing that you are free UNTIL you want to own property, then you get fucked kicked
>>29405064
>better to explain my views on the subject outright than use a label
agreed, otherwise we get all this shitposting about libertarian socialism and people guessing at what it means
>>29405017
>mid-western cafeteria christian
I'm stealing this for future use
>>29402522
>>29404226
>>29404928
>I support a large policing force operating under the guise of "protect and serve" that has hurt our nation economically and socially for decades
Emergency response and investigative personnel are needed and greatly appreciated, but that's not what our police units are.
>>29404983
Yeah I've been teaching my family about guns and they are opening up more now. They only know what the news tells them, so when I say my opinions on second amendment and why gun control is a very slippery slope, they hear it and start thinking for themselves. When I was buying my first pistol it was a big deal but now I have them hold my guns and try to teach then how they work. I've turn my sister very progun. Same with my gf, she's looking around for her first gun now.
>>29402362
Stoooooooooory.
>family, friends, and girlfriend always on my ass about how guns should be illegal
>want me to get rid of mine before someone gets hurt
>motherfucker, as long as none of you retards touch them shit'll be fine
>finally get my ccw
>start carrying
>my gf tells everyone
>now they're all on my ass about being armed
>on top of them just being awkward about it to an asinine degree
>is it still CONCEALED carry if your sister tells the cashier at Wendy's to make sure the orders right because "Anon's got his gun on him, tee hee"
>have to walk home from a friends place one night
>accosted by three disgruntled, ethnic youths
>Ain't got nothin to give em
>wrong answer
>I get my ass beat for a good 15 minutes
>hear one say "finish this nigga so we can go home"
>assume this means I'm about to die
>draw and put three rounds into the nearest one
>they all scatter
>despite it CLEARLY having been a case of necessary self defense family is now on me for being a murderer
>family disowns me
>death threats from strangers
Fuck.
>>29405104
There's a .03% convenience fee.
I'm guessing you know what I'm talking about, right? I'm not crazy?
They're like some strange kinda neocon.
>>29402619
Cripes, I can barely tell my parents that I went to the range without them sperging.
>>29405064
>>29405097
Fair enough, I try to understand my own motivations for things. Like, I'm pro-gun as fuck, like I think many of us are, but my basis for that is self-preservation and the individual right to self-determinate. Which means, that I have to support gun rights on the merit of gun rights. Blacks, Niggers, chinks, Roof Koreans, whites, religious, non-religious, poor, rich, median, all of us should have reasonable access to firearms and protected status for their possession, carry and use.
I can't wrap my head around the discussion points I have with some people regarding firearms.
> We have to protect x group!
You know, if they had the means to protect themselves they wouldn't need outside groups. Or you know, allied groups would also be able to bolden the numbers.
> Oh, Anon, guns aren't the answer.
I appreciate your views on pacifism. I think that's great to start with, but Martin Luther King Jr. needed Malcom X. Not to mention gun control in our state was built on the backs of blacks fighting for civil rights. One day after an legal, armed protest, gun control bills were in the assembly.
> Everyone's life is precious.
Why would you handicap them in preserving their life then?
> I'm not talking about a hunting rifle.
Neither am I, self preservation is not only about hunting, nor is it about self defense against crime or tyranny or anything else, but it does incorporate all of those things. Self preservation exists in the Urban United States, just like it does in rural United States, even if what one is preserving themselves from is different. Like the need to hunt, versus the need to remain free from violent attackers.
I'm ranting now. This turned into a rant. Fuck. So irritating though.
>>29405097
Yeah I found it cuts down on that quite a bit.
But I also end up explaining things more often because most people succumbed to this schoolhouse red/blue left/right sport-like bullshit
>>29402446
Get an ankle holster. Holy shit did your mom never tell you "no toys at the table"? You are clearly doing it to show it off. Plenty of people manage to own and wear firearms without having to put it out in front of a bunch of people they know are anti-fun. You're not a cowboy, and unless you're living in Juarez you don't need a weapon within arms reach at a family gathering. Suck it up and be uncomfortable or get a holster that lets you wear it comfortably, but if that were my house I'd think you were being a little shit. You afraid grandma's going to draw down on you? lol
>>29404446
If you own X you can't do Y cuz reasons! Your the one that needs to grow up and stop thinking just because you don't like something nobody should do it. That's anti gun logic you fag.
>>29404688
I buy in Os fuck that dimebag stuff.
>>29405147
This triggered me pretty hard man.
I'm going to pretend you're just memeing and refuse to accept that reality.
>>29405147
Fuck, what's the alternative?
> Crying over a casket talking about how good a person you were for getting dead.
>>29404983
That's racist and you should tell her that shes a cunt.
>>29405130
Most cops on /k/ are vehemently pro-2A, pro-"Couldn't give a fuck if you smoke some weed in your house", and anti-"YOU ARE A CRIMINAL UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE!" Most cops have better things to do than to bust you for going 1mph above the speed limit.
The guy I linked to was being a retard, and I called him out on it. Doesn't mean anything more, or anything less.
>>29405147
>death threats from strangers
How? Do you live in a small town or something?
>>29402362
>Family is rabidly anti-gun
>Talk about how I'm getting into air-soft, receive lecture about how this is why I'm going to be a mass shooter
>If anyone found out they'd probably call the cops and say I was threatening people or something
>TFW my family would probably rather see me dead or in jail than with a gun.
>>29405201
I agree with all of that.
I would also add that society has a responsibility for creating competent individuals and reforming the mentally ill & violent offenders.
>>29405314
>Come out as gay
>Stage a gay bashing
>get your ccw and if they bitch call them bigots
>>29405156
Oh yes I know the type. A few of my family members are pretty much the same way.
>>29405314
>"family"
Dude, family that acts otherwise isn't worth shit.
>>29405147
I feel for you guy, that sounds like a fucking nightmare. Your own family disowns you for protecting yourself? Fuck them and fuck the niggers you beat you up. You should have drawn on them before it came to blows...you would have been within your rights. Sounds like the type of family that is a blessing to be disowned from.
>>29405209
I'm doing it to show off in MY home? It isnt like I put it on the coffee table while sitting around the family.
>>29404759
My mom does that too.
Sometimes she even "sneaks" ( very obvious it's her though ) into the house creeps into my room and yells " why don't you have your gun out, what if I was a burglar!?". Ironically, I've been desensitized now and probably won't be ready for a real burglar for fear that I'll be shooting my her.
>>29405349
I agree with that, but I don't think the obligation is limitless. If given reasonable reformative opportunities they cannot or will not conform then the focus should move to something else. I'm definitely not necessarily saying execute them, I'm flip-floppy on capitol punishment, but maybe stop letting them sit in cells on my dime forever. We the people pay 60k to house, feed, clothe, and medically care for them. I want 60k of work. They better be building roads and maintaining shit for that cost.
>>29402432
Libertarian socialist
> mfw
>>29405247
You're right, I jumped the gun.
I'll elaborate that I don't hate the individuals that deserve our praise and tax dollars, even when I'm the one getting the ticket as I have before.
I hate the lack of accountability, the high legal standing, and the over funding. The "War on Drugs" effect.
>>29404403
And yet you still have absolutely nothing to support your claim of "NO A AND B CAN'T MIX BECAUSE UM UM UM :("
kill yourself moron
>>29405212
>If you own X you can't do Y cuz reasons
Yeah that is actually the way of the world dumbfuck, keep deluding yourself into think you are above the law because "muh rights will not be infringed". If you own and operate firearms in the united states you have to adapt to the standards set upon by that country, even if they are illogical. Keep storing pot in your house and see how you are vilified when the cops find it when youre defend yourself against a home invader...or even if they detect it in your blood; youll be fucking crucified in court. Adults except and adapt to bullshit, they don't delude themselves into thinking they are above the risks, THAT is what an anti-fun does on a daily basis.
>>29405374
Do they gossip constantly and constantly ask why you haven't joined a trade?
>>29405429
That's very reasonable. I know we're not in the position to have a Utopian education and justice system, but I know we [in the US] can do better than what we have now.
>>29405536
they don't gossip so much to me, but my girlfriends family does it constantly. I'm a vet (pog firefighter) and even though I've explained to them over and over what I do they think I'm a loser (they've called me that as well as a welfare queen behind my back because I'm using my GI benefits to go to school).
They were also highly anti-gun, but now both carry after they were robbed at gunpoint. It was righteous vindication and I hope she enjoyed being pistol whipped.
>>29405374
>>29405156
>>29405017
Sounds like the typical "California Conservative": Practically a libtard except for the religion shit, and wants to ban anything scary "for the children", whether homosexuality, or knives and guns.
Basically the worst kind of centrist: anti-liberty all around.
>>29405621
and by she, I mean my girlfriend cunt mother, her cuckold bitch father didn't happen to be there unfortunately
>>29405630
I'll list off some symptoms:
>guns are scary and bad unless they benefit me
>only blue collar "normal" whites are worth respect, and everyone else must strive be one
>technology is bad unless it benefits me
>gossips constantly
>will only believe what they see on TV
>manners are only relevant when they benefit me
>>29405841
This hits so close to home it hurts. Fuck people like that man.
>>29405130
>Pointing out the fallacy in the statement
>hurr Durr bootlickers
>>29402432
>>29403932
Eat shit
>>29405461
So do a lot of us. 99% of everyone involved in "the war on drugs" that are below Captain know that it's bullshit, that it's a waste of tax dollars, and that you'd get more bang for your buck if you used it as toilet paper before flushing it down the toilet. Sadly, policing has become too much of a "numbers" game, where quotas are set and whatnot, instead of not being retards.
>>29405147
is your name George Zimmerman
Why do you need a concealed carry and why are you putting a weapon on the dinner table
>>29404626
>guns are bad because they kill people!
>lol why do I need to defend myself, everyone eventually dies
How can someone think like that? If lives are so worthless than why ban guns at all?
>>29405968
Remember anon, they vote.
>>29406123
>here's your reply
>>29406279
it gives those zombies some semblance of a purpose in their horrible boring mindless life.
>That gives him excitement and purpose.
>It must become my purpose to take it away, so he is braindead and emotionless like me.
>>29404015
U a good person
>>29404126
Kek
>>29405147
This made me rage
>>29402409
In my state, you can carry while drinking as long as you're under .10
>>29402409
reddit.com/r/guns pls go
>>29405428
>when you know she is creeping keep unloaded gun nearby
>Let her creep up to room
>wait until she makes a sound
>draw and turn quickly
>scare the shit out of her
>>29402432
>libertarian socialist
lmao what
>>29404767
I'm a self-made men, I started with nothing. It's why I'm immune to the complaints of those who couldn't get their shit together.
>>29404252
I don't know what I had in my head but since you laid it out like that I'm pretty sure I had some silly shit going on up there. My bad, anon.
Aside from the comment about pre-1830's United States I stick by what I said. I don't call myself or identify as anything, I'm not going to say "I am x" because a lot of philosophies have something I just don't like or only some things I do like. Labels are for other people anyway, I just believe whatever the fuck I want. This is really the part that's absolutely no compromise for me, as far as I'm concerned the Bill of Rights is basic human rights. Everything else? That's up to interpretation, so shit like "ooh socialism is spooky!" doesn't really affect me.
I just couldn't give a fuck about it.
>>29404699
>>These are mutually exclusive ideas.
That retarded flow chart fucks up on the second step: not all left-leaning philosophies want "a collective." Deciding, "hey, having a government provide services x, y, and z, is great," is not the same as, "pribate broberdy is benis :DDDDDDD" That's the same false equivalency SJWs use, just because I don't feel like fucking fat chicks doesn't mean I hate women. (my penis is Muslim, has a strict no pork policy)
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just being intentionally ignorant. That's fine if you are, you were given all the tools and opportunities to figure this shit out but if you don't want to participate then that's your choice. Don't expect anyone to believe your bullshit though.
>>29407257
>not all left-leaning philosophies want "a collective."
But they all want redistributive taxation and centrally planned economies, which is completely at odds with Libertarian ideals of personal agency.
A socialized economy and libertarian freedoms are completely incompatible. They cannot coexist in the same way oil and water cannot mix.
I don't understand what part of this you people find so difficult.
>>29407257
>Deciding, "hey, having a government provide services x, y, and z, is great," is not the same as, "pribate broberdy is benis :DDDDDDD"
Yeah, it kind of is. "Government provides services" means taxation or forced labor--ultimately, your shit taken away under threat of death. Once you establish that, you're just a-hagglin' over the price.
>>29407257
>I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just being intentionally ignorant. That's fine if you are, you were given all the tools and opportunities to figure this shit out but if you don't want to participate then that's your choice. Don't expect anyone to believe your bullshit though.
>my argument is so shitty I have to throw in a condescending snap at the end to try and liven it up
>>29407326
>But they all want redistributive taxation
Can be true, mostly is
>and centrally planned economies
No, again this goes back to the collective argument.
>which is completely at odds with Libertarian ideals of personal agency.
Really depends on what you define as personal agency. By that logic crimes against rape and murder are against personal agency, but in practicality this conflicts with the wishy-washy philosophy most (if not all) libertarians have. Meanwhile...
>A socialized economy
Again. Assumption. Libertarians tend to think the government providing services (such as road maintenance, police, etc) are socialist in nature and could be replaced with privatization do they not? That's probably because those things ARE socialist by definition, they are social services provided by the state. We're not talking about economics here, we're talking about the nuts and bolts of basic government. For reference, see below:
>>29407348
>"Government provides services" means taxation or forced labor
Yes, and now we examine what defines "libertarianism." The "big L" verses the "little L" split, some libertarians think that a government-run anything is complete bullshit while others focus on individual, personal liberties and concede that taxes and things like that are okay within reason. I would argue the former to be disconnected with reality much in the way anarchists are, which is really what's being argued here.
>>29407372
>Posts some condescending "you're basically retarded" bullshit
>gets mad when somebody calls it out
>then calls argument shit
That wasn't a "condescending snap" thrown in to "liven it up" that was frank honesty. I think you're deliberately being ignorant just to avoid thinking about something you don't like, and you shouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously because of that.
>>29407505
>Can be true, mostly is
An redistributive taxation goes against the core of libertarian philosophy. Hence, why the viewpoints are incompatible. "Libertarian socialism" is like "christian atheism". They are mutually incompatible.
You're trying to go off on tangents and distract from the main argument.
If you are intervening with natural market mechanisms it is not a libertarian system. Period. There is no spectrum, it's binary. On or off, yes or no.
>>29407603
so you're mad about the label because when you can't argue content, argue semantics :^)
"christian atheism" could be a form of atheism that nevertheless upholds traditionally christian values and celebrates christian holidays.
or in other words, just because you don't SEE how they could overlap doesn't mean that they can't. you're basically arguing from ignorance - "I can't imagine how X and Y could go together, therefore they can't."
>>29407603
>An redistributive taxation goes against the core of libertarian philosophy.
Define "libertarian philosophy" because I pointed out quite clearly that, in it-fucking-self, is not at all universal. (big L Libertarian versus little L libertarian, etc) Plus not all left-leaning philosophies are completely for a "redistributive" tax policy, but I'd agree with the argument that excessive taxation is against personal liberty. Libertarians of all types and classical liberals would find any tax scheme that takes most of an individual's money as oppressive.
>You're trying to go off on tangents and distract from the main argument.
This sounds like you're actually having trouble following, it isn't tangents when I'm addressing points as they're made in neat little segments. I'm not actually the one making the tangents if there is any, which I really don't see happening besides what I'm replying to. Which again, I'm not the one who took us here.
>>29407668
The core tenets of the diametrically opposed philosophies isn't "semantics". Nice try, but you're clearly getting desperate at this point.
>or in other words, just because you don't SEE how they could overlap doesn't mean that they can
I can't "see" how they overlap because they CAN'T overlap. The importance placed on personal freedom in a libertarian society absolutely precludes the market interventions that are the fundamental building blocks of a socialist economy.
You can not have both.
You.
Can.
Not.
Have.
Both.
You are the one being willfully ignorant here. You like some stuff you've heard libertarians say about personal freedoms, you like some stuff you've heard socialists say about social welfare, and you desperately want to believe that you can have your cake and eat it too, so you're intentionally ignoring the massive contradictions between the two ideologies. You're doing everything you can to rationalize it all away.
>>29402362
>I feel like I dont belong to the liberal community but I also dont belong to the conservative community
Does America actually have "communities" based on political views?
>>29407785
I'm not even that guy, and you haven't changed the fact that you don't see how X and Y could overlap, so you're declaring they can't.
You've been offered counterproposals of how X and Y DO overlap and you've denied them out of hand.
Sorry. You're wrong, and in denial. Go to bed.
>>29405516
>snort weed
Nice try troll. Nobody is that retarded
>>29407816
>you don't see how X and Y could overlap
Because they're mutually exclusive. This has been covered.
>Sorry. You're wrong, and in denial. Go to bed.
Oh boy, more condescension.
>>29407785
You're also talking like how if a society has some libertarian ideas and some socialist ideas simultaneously, they'll react like matter and antimatter and just explode. Obviously this is retarded. You're assuming that no possible execution exists, and you've failed to demonstrate that in any way, shape, or form.
You're basically putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "NUH UH!!!!" at the top of your lungs.
It's also cute that you think
Making.
Your.
Posts.
Like.
This.
adds any emphasis or credibility instead of making you look like a teenager ;)
>>29402432
>Hotep KKK reporting in
>>29407803
Communities is used a lot in a metaphorical sense in the states. Friend A is political party A, so he makes friends and associates himself with others who are A. Friend B is with political party B, and associates himself with 'B' types as well.
Some people have views that both A and B share, but the radical parts of A or B turn them off to that particular viewpoint or party.
Of course this is an extremely simplified version of shit.
>>29407785
>>The core tenets of the diametrically opposed philosophies isn't "semantics".
>>I can't "see" how they overlap because they CAN'T overlap.
>>You are the one being willfully ignorant here.
>>massive contradictions between the two ideologies
Fucking look at my goddamn post here:
>>29407729
>Define "libertarian philosophy" because I pointed out quite clearly that, in it-fucking-self, is not at all universal.
I've told you several times now that these are not at all "opposed philosophies" because you're lumping every possible take on libertarianism together and throwing it against some vague bullshit conjectural "left."
>>29402362
I'm in your boat.
My wife has never shot a gun...
I like the idea of single payer health care and want equal rights for LGBT.
>>29405314
My family was like this for awhile. Wasn't allowed to play James Bond Goldeneye. Wasn't allowed airsoft guns (but swords and bow and arrows were totally okay). Asked mom if a family friend could take me hunting. She was fine with it till the guy mentioned we'd be using guns.
Told my family I own guns and shoot them after I moved out. Endured a few years of "why do you NEED that" nonsense. Then dad and stepmom saw a guy getting beaten by a gang in the streets. Suddenly they're okay with it and my dad wants me to teach him how to shoot. Mom is still pretty rabidly "you don't NEED that" and told me AKs were illegal when I said I was buying one. I gently corrected her and asked that she not pretend to act like an authority on a subject she knew nothing about. I think that really humbled her, because now she's open to the idea of me taking her shooting.
>>29406944
I pictured someone sitting in a swivel chair with his back to the door and a pistol resting on his knee and he just spins around really quickly pointing the gun at his mother with a grin on his face
>>29407603
Libertarianism and Socialism are on two different axes of the political compass, dipshit.
>>29406790
Thanks man. It really means a lot, even from an Anon on a Korean stopmotion book club
>>29405147
>Question
Why weren't they shot before your ass was beat for 15 mins?
>>29407832
He said "storing pot", not snorting it you autist
Wait...how do you get your ass beat for 15 minutes and the gun doesn't get knocked loose or simply noticed? If it was that well hidden and that well secured, not sure how you could draw it fast enough to respond to the "finish him" comment.
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>>29402362
Literally move out and keep your friends in circulation until you find enough good ones to keep. I live with two schoolmates in the same advisor group and they've been unbelievably fine with my guns and weeb shit.
I regularly carry my Cock 19 in hand or under armpit from my car to apartment, and further in until I'm in my room and they see me carrying guns all the time. We're not even from the same cut of cloth either; I'm a naturalized American of Asian origin, one roommate is of Irish Atheist descent Stateside military, and the other is a Chinese international student.
I've managed to get all of us to watch fuckingillegal ufc streams and the Eric Andre Show at some point.
My fiance and her best friend were talking, and she told her friend I just got a new pistol. Her friend, who thinks she knows everything now that she's about to plop out a kid in a week, says "wow do you think that's safe? you're okay with a gun being in the apartment?" Thank fuck my fiance thought she was being as stupid as I did, and pretty much just said, "well, we are both adults, so yeah..?"
I'm glad I wasn't there, her friend is pretty in-fucking-sufferable, and I didn't want to argue about guns and shit with another moron. Her husband, by the way, supposedly liked guns before they were married, now he doesn't own any, and "they haven't decided if they would ever have a gun in the house." Oh well, they live in the ghetto/barrio mixing pot, it's only a matter of time.
print out pictures of crime scene photos and leave them in places that correspond to their life
>>29402457
>>29403178
>I need my gun when drunk because I'm less able to defend myself due to intoxication!
>I need to drive home instead of walking when drunk because I need those crumple zones to protect me when I stumble/veer into oncoming traffic!
>>29404127
But senpai, taxation is theft.
Libertarian Nationalism is still ok right?
>>29404474
Everything that isn't on your person should be locked away
Exceptions apply
>>29410924
I hope so
>>29404813
an AR might be to much of a skurry salt rifle for a first, get him a shotfun or something.
>>29404052
>implying in any sort of political system where the people vote on leadership, taxes will be used on anything besides what the rich pay for and poor people demand.
You cannot have a government strong enough for socialism and hamstrung enough for libertarianism. "Libertarian socialist" is about as fedora pseudo-intellectual as a political ideology can be, only really being useful to talk yourself up around people ignorant enough to not immediately call you on your "government get out, except when I need things" bullshit.
>>29402362
>>"Lol anon doesn't feel safe going into dairy queen without his pistol!"
I don't understand what's funny about it.
Of course I don't fucking feel safe, I have literally no reason to and if you actually feel safe you are fucking ignorant, delusional, uneducated and retarded.
Look at the fucking history, people are killing each other from day fucking one and there is no end in sight. The majority of our existance was spend on beating the shit out of each other for whatever reason, be it money, power, control, food, personal gain, religion, boredom, honor, greater good, we are using fucking everything as an excuse to murder each other and it isn't going to end anytime soon.
>b-but it's history Anon, things are a lot more civilized right now!
No they are fucking not and if you seriously fucking think we suddenly enered some kind of utopia-like time and there will be no major conflicts or murders you are beyond delusional.
There are still surviors of Holocaust who remember all of that shit, six fucking million jews dead because some guy got so buttblasted about not getting into an art academy and it wasn't even 100 years since that happened.
In other news, around the same time 15 fucking million chinks died of hunger because their fat chink leader had a hate boner for fucking sparrows.
And I don't think I need to remind you about the terrorist attacks happening in both EEurope and US alike.
>w-why are you so paranoid, it's not like it ever happened or is going to happen to us, look how peacful everything is!
Yeah no shit everything is peaceful now, things tend to be fine before they go to shit, and they always go to shit eventually.
So no, I don't feel fucking safe and I recommend you go read a fucking book.
>>29402362
No. I just got my carry permit recently and now my dad wants to get one. My mother just asked "why" and I said because I can.
My sisters think it is "badass".
Although I live in a rural area so I wouldn't say I need to carry. I just choose to carry.
>>29414814
>Begins ranting about Holohoax
>Opinion discarded
>>>/Reddit/
>>29402362
If someone ever questions why you carry a gun, just show them 10 minutes of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFOFCi1uVYk
>>29415191
>>29415231
What the fuck is a /pol/?
>>29415191
>I never actually went outside of US nor did any research beyond reading things on Internet but I happen to be an expert on that topic
>>29415264
Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude.
>>29415272
Call me back when you actually visit any of the camps or talk to the survivors like I did.
>>29415289
>all these immigrants
hey me too, soon as I get citizenship I'm going to get my ccl, probably wont tell parents though.
>post pic of new ar on Facebook
>dad says "I do hope you're not buying that"
>tell him I sure am, what's the big deal
>tells me I'm taking the whole 'merica thing too far
>remind him that he has air rifles, used to hunt small game with them
>tells he how he shot Enfield's in the ROTC, and my uncle competed when he was in the army (new info to me) and he did lots of dangerous things when he was younger
>remind him I already have my handgun.
one of my buddy's made a joke that he agreed with my dad and he look after my gun for me, and my dad agreed with him.
gonna drag him to the range next time he visits. guaranteed he does a 180. want to get him an Enfield before he visits.
mum just asked why I needed my 1911. told her I don't, but I like it. told her it was because as a piece of historical mechanical engineering it's fascinating, and she went with it.
told her I like guns for the same reason I like cars, and she understands.
>>29415289
My grandmother is a jew whose parents fled from Poland during the war. Nothing she told me discredited anything from the picture you just saw. Your personal anecdotes don't mean shit.
>>29415527
>is a jew whose
misread as a jew whore
>>29416397
Is there any other kind?
>>29416626
Please specify
>any other kind of jew
>any other kind of whore
>>29416642
...yes.
>>29415272
1 is stupid, Nazis sucked at doing everything
2 is completely irrelevant
3 is essentially "yeah like, no jews were killed why kill the rape slaves???" As if that's somehow okay.
4 ignores all the people who were killed on the spot for the sake of argument, again, Nazis were retarded
5 suggests there's no evidence, so the evidence is either fabricated bullshit or it doesn't exist. Pick one, Naziboo.
6 is convoluted bullshit that tries to argue vague estimates being inaccurate as a coverup
7 sums up neatly why Neo-Nazis fail at everything they do: planning ahead is an alien concept
8 needs evidence, 18 inches down would mean the entire area is a soggy swamp, why build a camp there?
9 citation needed, historical mistakes, etc
10 is "I don't understand basic chemistry" and probably "forensics is a Jewish conspiracy"
11 deals with urban myth. What, so are we supposed to assume bigfoot is evidence the government's ruled by aliens from outer space?
12 See above
13... doesn't... exist... probably because of naziboo superstitions
14 No...?
15 Yeah, and I'm sure every OWS protester was beaten savagely by white, male policemen. Give me a fucking break.
16 Proof of sonar probing?
17 would have a point if it wasn't for the physical evidence. Oh and the testimonies during war crime trials saying "we were just following orders!" If there was no Holocaust, there would be no orders. Naziboos can't get their story straight again.
18 Why has ___ law(s) passed? Stupid laws is not evidence for your stupid theory.
19 because it's true...?
20 They have, historical reenacting puts great emphasis on fighting that very thing
21 Again, people say stupid shit, it's not just limited to your specific flavor of dumb bullshit. Oh, and improperly operated crematoriums will eject "ash" which is actually bits of seared flesh. You know, that smell the survivors, guards, and even liberators have all talked about? Yeah, that's dead Jew meat in aerosol format.
>>29404912
>I understand that the two ideas are adversarial, but I like to think there is a balance somewhere in there that could be beneficial to all.
I'm pretty much on the same page. I'd consider myself a mild to moderate libertarian. It sets up the basic ideals of individualism and limited government while separating you from the hardcore "tax is theft" borderline anarchists.
>>29402362
>fagcealed cuckry
I know a fun game. It's called spot the gun.
>>29402409
>be outside NY, SF or LA
>get drunk
>get arrested
>>29402522
Bad analogy. There's only one system for cops. But there's no single system for muslims. Also, people don't depend on muslims being muslims in their daily life.
![ngbbs4e234b8ac577e[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PKuBYUg.jpg "ngbbs4e234b8ac577e[2].jpg")
>Friends find out you CC
>"Haha Anon, don't shoot us haha!"
Like... what the fuck? Every time.
>>29406279
>If lives are so worthless than why ban guns at all?
>At dinner with a bunch of friends
>Realize that between the 6 of us with swinging dicks, there are 5 pistols
Must suck to have cucked friends.
>>29415272
3 Why not mention the swimming pool too?
9 Are there *un*-homicidial gas chambers? :-S
17 The Irving-Lipstadt Trial. Who Irving lost. My favourite is that when Irving tried to pass off a subterranean gas chamber as an air raid shelter for the SS. (You're trying to tell us that SS would run in full gear to the shelter a few kilometers away?)
19 Some countries has strict laws against defamation, France for instance. So if you say that someone grandfather had it comming, then it may not be defamation. But if you say that he didn't even exist, then it's definitely defamation.
>>29404688
This right here is exactly why I quit smoking weed. Oh, and also because of that little felony thing too.
>>29402362
>exposing your power level
>>29402409
you can carry if you're under .10 you faggot
>>29402409
Depends on the state, fucknuts. Even in one of the most gun-controlled states in the US (Connecticut) you can still carry in a bar while drinking.
>>29407803
>Does America actually have "communities" based on political views?
Do you know nothing of American history? Been like this since colonial times, not quite as severe now though.
>>29410333
That show is absurd.
>>29410924
Of course.
>Myself, my brother, and two friends who are also brothers (we call ourselves "The Bros") have all been best friends for like 15 years
>Get constantly shit on by the other three because I've always been the only one into firearms
>Have CC'd since about a month after I turned 21
>25 at this time (27 now)
>Constantly shit on for carrying when hanging out with them, I don't tell them I'm carrying but they assume (correctly) that I'm always carrying
>They want to go to Applebees at like midnight
>I hate Applebees but it's cheap enough and I'm hungry
>Go with them
>Carrying
>LOL ANON'S SCARED OF GOING TO APPLEBEES
>Typical shit
>1:30ish in the morning so we're gonna leave
>Parking lot is fairly empty and we're just standing around our cars and trucks talking
>Group of 6 black guys show up
>They ask one of my friends for a cigarette
>Tell them sorry don't smoke
>They ask for change
>Tell them sorry don't have any
>They start getting pissed
>One of them kicks brother's car door
>A few of them starts squaring up
>One of them pulls a knife
>I draw CC
>Less than a second later they go "CHILL NIGGA CHILL WE JUS PLAYIN WE JUST PLAYIN" and run off
>Go home, call police
>Brother and friends no longer give me shit for carrying
Part of me wishes I would have used my CC but another part is very glad I didn't.
>>29402409
> Wrong: The True Story
>>29404015
Shit. If people who are born in the country had to earn their right to citizenship it would be a much different world.
>>29416902
>Nazis sucked at doing everything.
What...what kind of pants-on-head retarded bullshit is this? This isn't a rebuttal, there isn't even a single bit of structured counter-argument.
You are literally defending 60 years of debunked propaganda and revisionism with the argument "Well it must be because Nazis sucked n shiet!"
I-I don't even know what to say anymore; the level of conscious denial in this post is Facebook-tier.
>>29416902
>"lol Nazees sucked so bad mayne, that's how they conquered most of Europe and turned into an economic superpower in less than a decade"
>>29417603
You from CT?
>live inna europe
>classmate posts anti-gun post on FB
>debate him on it
>calls me crazy for saying that gun control doesn't work
>bonglanders are surprised that I really like guns and aren't a member of the NRA
>>29402432
>Libertarian Socialist
that's somehow worse than Anarcho-Communist
>>29403932
>the state should help out people
>the state should be as small as possible
what
>>29402362
>does anyone else have liberal cuckfuck family and friends?
I do.
They used to talk shit about me and guns and hand out insulting explanations for why I even own firearms in the first place. I used to defend my views in front of them. They take it as me trampling on their views. So they defend their views to me. Which is coming up with insulting explanations as to why a person really would own a gun.
Now I've learned to take a different approach. Now when I'm around these people, I respect their entire gun-less worldview. I don't show them my handgun, if someone visits I put most of my firearm stuff out of view, and I refuse to discuss gun politics with any of them unless they specifically ask me.
The result I'm getting is they no longer give a shit about my lifestyle. We all get along now. I respect their views and intend to not encroach upon them, and they're just naturally doing the same with me.
You know what the shit of it is, OP? Looking back, I was the one being a jackass the entire time. Letting them know that my views say their views are wrong. Showing them something that causes them to feel anxiety, when I could have easily just left it in my waistband. Leaving stuff out that I know obviously offends them. They were just defending themselves and their views the entire time. I'm you, you fucking retard. Stop letting people see your fucking gun, it's a fuckhuge faux pas and you better google the term because I know you're too socially retarded to already know it. Be respectful of other people and they will respect you.
>>29403932
In the hopes that you are still here after a day I'd just like to remind you that your political philosophy is a contradiction in terms.
>>29418995
>I refuse to discuss gun politics with any of them unless they specifically ask me
The fact you were not doing this in the first place does confirm that you were the jackass. Everyone should learn around 20 years old or so to keep their opinions on contentious matters to themselves unless they're asked, or in an active conversation about them.
>>29402409
>>29418545
>>29418708
No, I'm not defending "60 years of debunked propaganda and revisionism" with pointing out that the Nazis COM-FUCKING-PLETELY mismanaged everything from distributing goddamn ball bearings to tank factories all the way up to massive strategic decisions. They were led by an autistic Austrian who had enough charisma and was a good enough ass kisser to get his foot in the door.
Beyond making cool speeches the kickass innovations the Germans brought to the table had to either be snuck by Hitler or people dragged their ass complying with his crazy shit. From start to finish the Nazi Party during the 30's and 40's was full of cosplaying sycophants for that stupid autist, and somehow through the power of European incompetence they achieved military success. Really that's all it was, aside from Guderian, the Wehrmacht had exactly jack shit going for it in the early years. Had France and the UK went full hulkrage and told Hitler to fuck off instead of appeasing him we would not have had that chapter in our history: Nazi Germany would have fizzled out into obscurity because they would have gotten their shit pushed in.
Fucking naziboos I swear. You didn't even address the other 19 answers, you got triggered like the dumb motherfuckers I knew you were and blithely charged for the first thing. I am not surprised.
>>29404813
Get your pops a shotfun like he used to use.
>>29419131
>Had France and the UK went full hulkrage and told Hitler to fuck off instead of appeasing him we would not have had that chapter in our history
>the Nazis COM-FUCKING-PLETELY mismanaged everything from distributing goddamn ball bearings to tank factories
>somehow through the power of European incompetence they achieved military success
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>29419187
Every single reputable historian disagrees with you, and the ones who do believe you think the Knights Templar left treasures in Akron, Ohio or some crazy bullshit.
I called your bullshit, now it's your job to back it up.
>>29418734
No, WA
>mfw my family, my friends, my co-workers, and myself all have firearms, want firearms, or have licenses to carry firearms
God bless Texas.
>>29418744
>that's somehow worse than Anarcho-Communist
it's because he can't even commit to being a full retard, only a partial one
>>29402404
Your buddy sounds like a tard who'll get you killed one day
>>29402362
You sound like a cock. Try not acting like a cock, it's what has set back the community for AGES.
Kinda.
>father former law enforcement
>not too too hot on 2a, nogunz etc, but understands their role and the likes
>mother somehow against 2a stuff
>tfw both are typical conservatives watching fox
>irrational dislike of guns for no reason
>tfw my maternal great grandfather was a cop and maternal grandfather was WWII combat vet who owned guns and participated in local shooting competitions often.
All my friends are pretty liberal though. Im cast as the future old white guy sitting on his porch in Georgia even though im not white.
If you stop fighting it, it soon becomes an unimportant joke that everyone forgets.
>>29418995
>if someone visits I put most of my firearm stuff out of view
What a cuck.
Honestly man, quit telling people you carry. that's the point. i have no problem lying to people. the less people know the better. even your close family and friends.
>>29404699
It seems like you and other people bashing libertarian socialism (I am not one) seem to be claiming that "libertarianism" and "anarchy" are entirely equivalent philosophies.
Anarchy describes a society with no state. Libertarianism is about maximizing individual liberty. If the state is absolutely unable to use coercive force *sometimes*, then it isn't a state at all, just some stupid organization like any other, and does not deserve the title "state". You're suggesting that libertarians oppose all use of coercion by the state, which would make it not a state, which would describe an anarchist system.
Some libertarians think this but the point of libertarianism is a general agreement that personal freedom and autonomy should be maximized wherever it can, rather than "hurr durr fuck the state anarchy maaan".
Libertarians disagree on how much power the state should have and how it should use it, and so it's perfectly reasonable to believe that personal freedom and autonomy should be a major goal of a government while also believing that the state's coercive power to collect taxes (which all states use, try competing without it, lol) should be directed towards providing the kind of social safety nets that you see in socialist societies.
No political philosophy is absolute and where two political philosophies overlap or are made to overlap it's perfectly valid to create terms that seem to make sense, like "libertarian socialism".
