What is the main brand of ammo you buy and why?
Mine is American eagle 55 grain 5.56 because it cheap and I get good results with it.
>>29391593
I buy lo que 62gr.
22lr - Eley Tenex
38spl - Federal Gold 148gr LWC Match + handloads
357mag - Federal Murican Eagle 158gr JSP + handloads
223 - Australian Outback 69gr SMK + handloads with the same projectile
308 - Australian Ouback 168gr SMK + handloads with the same projectile
303 - handload only, using Hornady 174gr Round Nose Soft Point
Wolf .223 because I'm not a faggot who needs sub MOA accuracy for plinking and thinks my AR is too good for it.
Same, American Eagle.
Although I also like PMC and PPU for their cheap higher grains.
>>29391769
That is poor logic. You should always shoot what you intend to employ during real world situations. If your HD load out is 62 grain Black Hills then you should always shoot 62 gr Black Hills.
Wolf 223 WPA and 9mm for plinking
ZQ1 .308 M80 for cheap ammo + brass
FGMM 308 175gr SMK but now I'm reloading 175 TMK's.
If I can help it, I won't buy brass case ammo again unless it's match grade stuff.
>>29391808
Not him, but why? If you know your rifle cycles 223 wolf and you've done a function test of whatever ammo you plan to use (183, 855, or 262 and their clones) in a 'real' situation, there's nothing wrong with getting more bang bang for less.
>>29391808
Keep your HD mags loaded with hornady or whatever the fuck you want. You're literally pissing away money for no real world difference. Unless you're training for SOF or something it's a waste. But whatever it's your money
22lr- CCI or Remshit
308 - Barnaul
12ga - Federal or Remshit
8mm Mauser - Remshit because that's all they ever have.
Feels bad being poor.
>>29391593
I mostly just plink so Tula for my AR 15 and VZ 58, surplus spam cans for my AK 74, and that aluminum case federal for my handguns.
>>29391808
>You should always shoot what you intend to employ during real world situations.
Fucking around at the range is my "real world situation".
>>29391846
If you're used to shooting X all the time at the range then load up on Y for actual emergencies, you are in an unpracticed and disadvantaged situation.
I see dumb asses blowing through 55 gr all day at the range, making little adjustments here and there, realigning their sight picture, etc. Then insert a mag of high dollar 62 gr for home defense.
Imbecilic.
>>29391593
why is the 556 cheaper than the 223? i went to ripoff bass pro shop and the 556 was $2 cheaper. both being 20rd 55 grain fmj
I don't know but I'm regretting the .357 magnum I have loaded. I want more poundage of force, but I didn't realize the Jacked hollow points are literally fucking +p 9mm in poundage.
>>29391911
I agree that adjusting sights at any appreciable distance isn't going to transfer from 55gr to 62gr, but not on the rest of what you said. If you're able to spend twice the time with your rifle and shooting, then that's more beneficial. You're not going to screw up because the recoil was an ant's fart different than what you're used to.
>>29391911
>thinking you even use sights in a home defense situation
>not knowing what reflexive fire is
>>29391769
My rifle can get sub moa with wolf gold
>>29391911
This is true but you must also take the rifles lubrication into question as well when getting a true zero.
Slight variations in the amount of gun oil in an AR15s chamber and barrel will result in fired ammunition having vastly different ballistics.
I knew of a man who oiled his AR15 the day he had a home invasion, his accuracy was off to the point that his rounds veered 60° to the right and killed his infant daughter.
>>29392048
I meant shooting wolf steel .223 lol. But yeah wolf gold is good stuff
>>29392079
one out of five 2 inches outside of moa is not submoa.
>>29391593
What price do you get it for? It's $7.44 a box at Walmart tax free here. Someone cleared it all out recently. Anyone know if perfecta is coming back @ $14.77 a box? I think it's toast just like the ZQI...
>>29392147
I buy it for $8.79 from the mcx on camp Lejeune. Everything on base is tax free
>>29391593
Monarch.
Why? Because it's the cheapest shit I can reliably find, and it stores well.
>>29391593
My "Go to" ammo is PMC 55grain, but I'll shoot anything through my SCAR. I've noticed that Wolf is the best "budget" ammo, even in my friends' ARs.
So mostly PMC and Wolf when I have to.
>>29392173
Damn. I should've jumped on it when it was around.
>>29392173
Fucking boot
Exactally op's ammo. Ive enjoyed it a lot. Fuck tula
>>29392291
I'm a boot for buying ammo?
>>29392375
Yeah fuck Tula. Love spending all day driving out spent cases for cheap shooters.
>>29391859
You simply lack education.
Anybody used the Hornady Steel Match 75 gr? And does it keep roughly the same zero as the brass Hornady 75gr?
Wolf Gold by the crate because 29c a round and its top tier shit
>>29391593
Slavshit surplus from canadain tire bcuz poorfag
>>29391593
Federal (inc American Eagle) - the only thing I shoot in shottys
Winchester
S&B
Golden Tiger
Wolf (not so much anymore, Im talkin the real milsurp Wolf that came in black boxes when they first got imported ~2004)
TulAmmo, when I can get it for 5cpr cheaper than other steel case
Havent tried it yet, but IMI realdeal M193 when I get some cashola saved. Stay away from all their other shit, esp their 'Match' ammo and razorcore.
everything else belongs in the trash.
Whatever cheap for plinking
Whatever is on sale when I'm just plinking.
>>29391808
Utterly retarded. Shoot enough of it to be confident in its reliability, and then do your plinking and practice with something cheap.
You'll be a better shooter if you shoot 20k rounds of wolf and 500 of match grade special snowflakes than you will shooting only 2000 special snowflakes for lack of money
If anything, cheap and dirty ammo will help you get better at clearing ftfs and ftes
>>29392804
I'm sure pitchers throw thousands of tennis balls in order to better themselves at throwing a few baseballs.
You are about as bright as a wet match.
>>29392821
are you autistic? that's not even a valid comparison. Have you been drinking?
>>29392804
yup.
Practicing more often > using better ammo less often
>>29391808
>implying your fat neckbeard ass will ever be involved in a "real world situation" where you'll have to use your gun
kek
>>29392521
Link to crates of Wolf gold for 29CPR?
>>29392974
Both have different weights and causes for adjustment. However, the firearm ammunition requiring precision instead of "hand grenade" accuracy is more exaggerated.
You are not mentally sharp. You practice with what you intend to fight with. I wouldn't show up to a sword fight after practicing using a bow and arrow.
>>29393004
You're right. Criminals only target people who are already known to the media.
>>29392521
Str8 from non-climate controlled warehouses deep in the jungles of Laos, repackaged in Siberia, and shipped over from China in fish container ships.
sounds like shit. Id rather new production IMI M193 than that crap.
>>29393022
Or you could use logic and reason:
Practice with choice ammo enough to ensure accuracy and reliability. For some this will mean hundreds of rounds, for others, thousands.
Other than that ^, everything else is the human element, which can utilize cheap ammo. You do not need expensive ammo to practice your trigger pull, stance, sight picture, etc... Using expensive ammo for this is nothing more than a waste of resources that could be spent on more ammo
In fact, I would even go so far as to say NOT testing your rifle with shitty ammo is a bad thing. For me to rely on a weapon, it needs to be able to eat everything I give it.
>>29393365
Well said. I've fired about 800 rounds of tula and 2000 rounds of American eagle through my rifle. The tula caused short stroking on two occasions. Maybe it was the weather but once in 400 rounds with ammunition with a reputation not have enough powder is acceptable.
I shoot brass so it doesn't wear my parts as quickly.
>>29393699
NEVER use Tulammo in .223
powder burns too hot and erodes the barrel and gas port within 3000rds.
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
>>29393365
You're seriously embarrassing yourself by continuing to post against sound logic. If your rifle is geared, sighted and tuned to shoot 62 gr wwb, then it is not adjusted to shoot plinking ammo. One or the other, hot rod. Pick one and stick with it.
>>29393722
This is exactly the article I read that convinced me not to shot steel case, specifically tula
>>29393735
Do you think 55 grain plinking ammo won't fucking kill someone?
>>29393735
You can zero for a new type of ammo with two shots. I still don't see why it matter if your home defense stuff is a few MOA off at across the room ranges in the first place.
Is it okay to shoot steel through my AR?
>>29393846
Yes, it just wears out the barrel and extractor faster. AR barrels are cheap and easy to replace, the amount of money saved shooting steel case will pay for a new one.
>>29393735
That's not a strong argument. You sound like you are desperately trying to justify some ammunition purchases you have made...
>You're seriously embarrassing yourself
I think it is the other way around. Cheap ammo is an invaluable training tool.
>>29394037
It is a concept they teach at the most basic level of infantry training. Train like you fight. What that means is everything you're taking and using in war is what you should be using in training.
You're simply out of touch.
>>29394063
The difference in recoil is not enough to make it worth it.
You buy some cheap ammo for practice, you use high grade stuff for actual combat (heh). You check for reliability every once in a while, but you do not need to do that. Most milspec rifles will go through anything.
>>29394063
Let's say I go the range, and that I'm testing out some new night sights and/or working on my trigger pull. Let's say I use 250 rounds doing that. By your shitty logic, I should only be using Hornady critical defense, because that is what I'd fight with. My total at the end of the day would be over $200.
or
I could spend that 200 bucks on 1000 rounds of ammo and get wayyyy more trigger time.
>bu bu bu but, that's a pistol!!1! That's different!
the concept is the same.
>Train like you fight
Yep, but if you take that as an absolute statement, you are a moron. In the military they also train you on how to use the enemy's weapons.
But, I'm not military, nor am I an armchair general like you. It's your money bro, spend it however you like. idgaf if you waste it.
I'm gonna stop replying to you, because I'm fairly certain you are just trolling now. I guess I took the b8
>>29391593
Whatever is cheapest.if I was shooting for precision I'd be reloading for it.
>>29394063
>using Speer Gold Dot for training instead of a similar weight CCI round instead
Sure, buddy.
>>29391911
>implying you're even gonna use your sights in a HD situation
>implying your home is large enough for sight adjustments to make a difference
Unless there's a room in your house that's >50 yards, you're just being autistic.
>>29394262
>>29394303
I tried to offer professional criticism and advice. You chose to remain tenaciously ignorant.
I am not an arm chair residual. I've been in combat twice and served in all forms of the infantry. From leg to ranger. My post service bon fides is executive protection.
>>29394063
In the Army we did lots of dry fire training, used blanks, and sometimes broke out the shitty MILES system. None of those things were for realz combat rounds, but it was still valuable training.
The difference between blanks or just shouting "bang bang" is much greater than the difference between a 55 grain bullet and a 62 grain bullet, but the Army still does it. It's almost like time spent behind the rifle counts more than autistic mantras like "train like you fight".
Also, the difference between two different cartridges is a few clicks of your rear sight and a quarter turn or two of your front. That's all it takes to "set up" a rifle for a new round.
Holy fuck, guy.
>>29394378
>professional advice
>does not understand that the difference of a 55gr and 77gr bullet from a 1/7 16.1" barrel under 100yards (home defense, personal defense, even riot defense) is minute.
The difference in recoil is not enough to warrant you using nothing but high tier cartridges for practice.
>>29394459
You are mistaking IMTs, Battle Drills and SQT training for shooting precision. How many grenade simulators were tossed at you during your weapons qualification tests?
None. How many different types of ammunition did you expend out of your rifle throughout your ENTIRE military service?
One. Just one. The one you were going to use in combat.
>>29394585
>One. Just one. The one you were going to use in combat.
Two, actually. Not counting tracers.
>>29394565
My initial response was to berate you for lacking knowledge and experience. However, it would benefit you to learn that you should be able to pick up your rifle in the middle of the night, hazily awoken and not wondering if you needed to click the rear sight twice or if you did that before bed or if you have a Cooper mag loaded with SA .223 55gr or a PMAG full of WWB 62s.
>>29394633
What were the differences between those two rounds?
I used both when I was enlisted as well.
>>29394633
Tracers are a leadership implement. I show my squad where to place their rounds by shooting tracers at it.
Am I the only joe on /k/ with military training and combat experience? Everything I am saying is purely basic knowledge.
Get a fucking room already.
>>29394674
>>29394647
>adjust your sights to shoot at a threat 20 feet away in your home
Good forbid your grouping on his chest is 1 inch to the right....
>>29391808
Get out faggot.
>>29393783
it's consistently is in question
performance at distance
performance through barriers
performance through shorter barrels
so many rounds on the market do a better job at killing people and animals than 55 grain plinker.
But I use m193 (and it's clones) exclusively because it's cheap training ammunition. I don't want to purchase more expensive stuff just for self defense because the situations in which I would use my ar15 for self defense are thankfully rare. and in those situations, unloading a few extra into the fucker would be okay. If i was going to war, I would want better ammunition. but if I deploy, I don't get to pick my rifle, I don't get to pick my ammunition so my preferences are irrelevant. Plus, they used m193 in fucking vietnam. It went to war and it killed dudes. It got the job done. So if anyone thinks 55 grain plinker won't kill a man, tell him to choke on a horse dick.
>>29394674
Retired Specialist team leader reporting in.
19k :^)
>>29394672
M855 is shittier, from what I've read. It was designed to penetrate some types of armor and doesn't tumble as well as M193. Didn't matter much to me while I was in, you take what you're given and just accept that you're being screwed in some way you can't really comprehend at the time.
>>29394674
I said not counting tracers, hot shot.
>>29394698
Deal with it you fucking attention whore trip sucking fag fuck.
>>29394742
>implying m16s killed anyone in Vietnam besides their operators
Legendary Kek
>>29394063
and we fight with m855, which is even worse than m193. Technically, it's not m855a1, but we aren't fighting much right now and the performance boost is minimal. Train how you fight has ALWAYS been about mindset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6LqWGi79g listen to pat. He's goddamn delta force. It's not about the gear, or the gun, it's definitely not about the bullets, it's about mentality and focus. If i go to the range in an itov and ach and shoot m855a1 out of a colt 6920 with a ta31rco while standing still and square with the target at set distances, then I might as well show up in shorts and flipflops, because it'll prepare me for a fight just as well, that is to say, not at all. When I shoot to "train", I work on my imts. When I shoot, it's from behind cover, whether it's plywood or a tree. I don't take off my plate carrier after a firing iteration. I don't skip because it's cold out. I frequently will wait till an hour before dark to set up so I can practice in low light conditions.
and I don't always shoot like that. sometimes I go out just for fun. but don't think you have to dress up like seal team 6 or shoot black hills ammunition through your KAC sr15 to train as you fight.
>>29391593
Why did I just see happy merchants on the packages? What the fuck?
>>29391593
Tula or wolf.
>>29394787
whoa dude, be careful with memes that dank. you could hurt somebody.
>>29394647
few problems with that statement.
1) if you believe in the dual training/fighting ammunition thing, you zero to the fighting ammunition and adjust when shooting training ammunition
2) the difference in point of impact between two loads of 5.56 WILL NOT make a difference at 15 yards
3) you're implying you use the rear sight. Did they not teach you how to use the front sight only in mout? You point your weapon when clearing things, not aim. And don't misconstrue that to mean being rambo and shooting off the hip, because that's not pointing. If you were actually who you say you are, you'd fucking know.
>>29391593
ZQI for practice, they're zippy for cheap as potato ammo.
Actual defensive ammo I seem to wind up with hornady.
>>29394647
Holy shit go back to arfcom and be a fucking tactitard there. I'd like to know a self defense scenario where your rounds aren't landing 2" low anyway, because otherwise thats murder pretty much anywhere.
>>29394947
I've been teaching competition shooters front sight techniques since 1998 so yes, I know all about engaging targets close quarters and extended distances. I was trying to make a point that superbly flew over your head uninterrupted.
>>29394786
>heh, I was about to concede my point but I noticed you aren't a real army recon seal like me. Tough luck, kid.
>>29394959
There is nothing wrong with arfcom. Even federal ballistics experts seek advisement on our boards. Two of my moderators explained and/or taught ballistic intricacies. A fellow staff member also advised the U.S. attorney's office on firearms legislation. So keep it in check when you're talking about arfcom.
>>29392058
You can't seriously believe some stupid shit like that. Poor b8
>>29392291
I bet you're a senior Lance corporal too.
>>29394991
and if you'd read my posts, you'd have seen that worrying about "adjusting" you rifle between training and fighting ammunition is stupid, because you don't have to adjust your rifle. but since it "flew over my head" please tell me what needs to change in your rifle between plinking with m193 and defending yourself inside 15 yards in the middle of the night with your choice of self defense ammunition.
if I shoot m193 to train, and i keep my fundamentals in mind, and I mind my reloads, my cover, I do stress shooting, I shoot when it's dark, I shoot without ear pro (I don't I keep electronic ear pro next to my bed, and i wion't put pants on, but im putting those fucking ears on in the middle of the night)
what am I missing that i'd gain by training with mk262 or horanday vmax or barrier blind ammunition?
>>29394647
>However, it would benefit you to learn that you should be able to pick up your rifle in the middle of the night, hazily awoken and not wondering if you needed to click the rear sight twice or if you did that before bed or if you have a Cooper mag loaded with SA .223 55gr or a PMAG full of WWB 62s.
For a professional, you're a fucking idiot.
The mags I have loaded for my HD rifle, I fucking know what's in them. Because they're with my HD rifle. The mags. With my HD ammo. With my HD rifle. I know what they fucking are. And I have no need to set fucking nothing, because I use iron sights on my HD rifle.
>clicking the rear sight twice
Which you don't even fucking need under 100 yards in an HD scenario.
And unless you're filthy rich, there is no house that has a room that's more than 12 yards at its widest point from wall to wall. That's close to being point-aim firing distance.
What kind of fucking "pro" doesn't get this?
Below 15 yards, there is no noticeable difference between 55gr and 77gr 5.56 in accuracy. Because it's under 15 yards. Under 50 yards, the difference still isn't enough to talk about needing premium vs cheap plinkers. As long as you know that your rifle can function with both premium ammo, that's all you need to know. You don't need to keep training with it over similar weight plinking ammo. Cycles both, no problem.
>>29393022
Bow and arrow is actually good example. I practice with field tips, but hunt with broadheads. Practice, a lot, with cheap ammo, and occasionally with defenserounds.
