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>the 22 long rifle can kill anything under 50 yards
>it's all about shot placement
>>29376622
Wrong .22 meme.
"It'll go in the leg and be found in the chest!"
It does more damage than a 9mm because it bounces in the skull and mashes up the brain.
>>29376622
>>29376647
Both of these are circumstantially true.
You ass hats need to come up with better jokes. Sage
>>29376680
>bouncing 22s
>true
>always killing
>circumstantial
>always
>>29376700
Jokes are still shit man.
Its 2016, assholes should have this shit down.
Bad thread is bad.
>Wearing thick denim is a good way to stop .22's
>>29376622
The Germans chambered their Mausers to fire both 8mm AND 30-06, to be able to use ammo scavenged off dead Americans.
>>29376622
But that's technically true though.
Bella Twin killed this fucking Kodiak with her 22lr.
>all about shot placement
I know a guy who was shot in the head with a .22 at point blank and fucking survived
>>29376752
Oh fuck yeah, I haven't heard that one in YEARS.
>>29376756
When I heard that, I physically showed him, using empty casings that that wasn't true, and he still didn't believe me.
>"t-there must be something wrong with your gun."
>"well...that's what I was always told!"
It pains me that faggots like that are still spreading retarded lies that make no sense.
>>29376770
Why would the Germans make a gun for the bullets of an enemy that wasn't even their primary concern?
It's retarded every way you lay it, but there's people that will stand by it.
>>29376752
>>29376756
>>29376770
Wait, people actually SAID this?
>>29376622
>"Aren't you afraid that Jap guns gonna blow up?"
>"old war rifles were never meant to be accurate, just made to throw lead a hundred yards out."
Fudds hate my WWI/WWII bolt actions.
>>29376752
>You can shoot M16 ammo out of an AK 47 but you can't shoot AK ammo out of an M16. The Russians designed them that way.
That's close to something I actually heard come out of someone's mouth.
>Ya can't hunt with them commie rounds
>You'll blow a hole in the deer
>>29376797
My main point is that the 8mm round came out in 1888 and revised in 1905, whereas the 30-06 came out in 1906; so the timing doesn't make sense.
The dimensions are physically incompatible, so there's that as well.
There's just no arguing with a high level fudd.
>>29376802
Yes, fudds are literally that retarded.
>The AK-47 wasn't ment for precise shooting, just to spray lead down range
>>29376807
The irony is that an Arisaka can take abuse that most boltguns at the time simply couldn't.
I seem to remember some story about some redneck who fired 7.92mm from his for years and years without injury or damage to the gun
>>29376824
I think his point was, if it was going to be true for ANY cartridge, why not x54r or AT LEAST .303 Tea
>>29376828
Yeah but all it took was one retarded serviceman in WWII to fire a 7.7 round out of a 6.5mm training rifle made ONLY for blanks, to get exploded for a retarded myth that stuck like glue to form.
>>29376842
What? When did we start talking about totally different cartridges?
>>29376622
>"You don't need a high capacity clip."
>"There's no reason anybody needs an assault rifle. "
>"The 'AR' in AR-15 means 'assault rifle.'"
>"The M16 was made by Mattel, the toy company. "
>>29376849
>>29376797
>Why would the Germans make a gun for the bullets of an enemy that wasn't even their primary concern?
>>29376844
Wasn't it much smaller and lacked locking lugs?
How do you fit a live 7.7mm cartridge in a 6.5mm blank gun anyway?
>>29376867
>"The M16 was made by Mattel, the toy company. "
I love this dumb myth.
>>29376874
>fit a live 7.7mm cartridge in a 6.5mm blank gun anyway?
I don't know, but I'm sure someone forced it to fit.
>>29376872
You didn't need to reinforce a point that already made more than enough sense. That's why I got confused.
>>29376819
Maybe he was thinking the 74?
Though it'd still be mega retarded.
>my pop was in the war. He'd use his M1 carbine and run around blasting the Germans. He knew the motor pool staff so they bored out the barrel to use the enemy's pistol bullets. The lighter recoil let him pop nazis with one hand like a cowboy!
This was a old 65 ish coworker from Maine who also claimed to build a garage in an afternoon in his youth (he spent the morning plowing a field alone).
>>29376969
That's beyond fuddlore, that's mythomania/compulsive lying
>>29376969
I wonder if it's mostly a generation thing, or will we also tell super retarded fucking lies when we're old as well?
>>29377103
>will we also tell super retarded fucking lies when we're old as well?
Lurk more, we are doing it today...
>>29377176
/k/ isn't real life
>All you need for HD is a shotgun cause the sound of you cocking it makes any burglar shit their pants
How the fuck do you even respond to this shit?
>>29377383
No, it's just fantasy.
>>29376622
Kek, recently in Belgium a drunk guy accidentally shot his son in the head.
The kid survived with no other consequences than loosing partial sight in one eye.
Another guy shot a kid driving an ATV near his house, the kid didn't even noticed he was shot until he got home and saw the blood
>>29376969
>>29377176
>>29377103
>>29377383
I wonder if in the future people aren't going to "respect thier elders" anymore because We'll all be assholes. When I'm old pretty much all I'm going to do is demand discounts and steal anything not nailed down.
>sir you need to pay for that
>...oh this... right. memory not what it used to be sonny
>no problem sir
>(fuck, now I actually have to pay for this TV. I'll have to sell one of the other 5 when I get home)
or is it that every generation is equally terrible but we keep pretending.
>>29377395
tell him that the prosecutor will railroad you for having an assault shotgun and wanting to murder people in your home. And that you should confront them with a 28" field barrel OU loaded with birdshot because that way you can tell the police it's for hunting and they'll let you go.
>>29376867
I honestly thought matell made the plastic parts. And im 21. I guess im a fuddling
>at the range with garand
>fudd tells me about enbloc helmet ping story
>every single time I go there with it, it happens at least once
>>29377431
>or is it that every generation is equally terrible but we keep pretending.
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”
― Socrates
>>29376622
It's posts like this that convince me that Americans can't fucking aim.
I've dropped Sheep, Caribou, Muskox, Bison and more with my .22LR M&P.
Do you guys need the biggest fucking caliber you can find because you can only hit 1 out of every 10 shots and need to make it count?
>>29377405
caught in a landslide
>>29377469
no escape from reality
>>29377475
if we're really doing this let me know, just tell me to open my eyes
>>29376819
I've heard that from multiple people growing up.
They were New Yorkers so I guess it makes sense.
>>29377458
is that legal tho
>>29377505
That's beside the point.
>>29377451
>Anon: I don't think that's true, old timer.
>Private General Fudd: What? I couldn't hear you. My ears are still ringing from all the Kraut artillery.
>>29377451
What's the story?
>>29377458
In most states, it is outright illegal to harvest big game with something like a 22LR. The exact restrictions vary from state to state. People still do it, but not legally.
>>29377532
that soldiers used to take empty enbloc clips and bounce them off their helmets to trick enemy soldiers into thinking they were out to get them to charge so they could shoot them.
back when the NFA passed my grandpa chopped up my uncle's MAC collection because "these are gangster guns". He also ripped up an old grease gun as well
he did leave them his levergun though
>>29377592
>NFA
my mistake, meant the original federal AWB back in 1994.
>>29377511
>"why can't people just aim straight for a change?"
>".22 is all you really *need* to make a big game kill."
>illegal to hunt with such a small caliber
>"That's besides the point. "
Gee, I wonder why no one else will freely admit to using a .22 for hunting animals you aren't supposed to use it on?
>>29377532
>>29377576
Basically, the fudds are retarded enough to imply that a Fritz is gonna hear a minor ding during the heat of battle.
>never mind the roar of fire from 98ks, MP-40s, and an MG-42 not ten feet from me.
>never mind the artillery blasts
>never mind the fire coming from the enemy's side
>all that matters is that I distinctly heard a "ping" among all that racket somehow
>"look mom, I'm bout to no-scope this merican."
>dumb ass out of ammo thought I didn't know.
This is what some fudds actually think.
>>29376622
But it will.
A .22lr to the chest is more deadly than a .50 bmg to the foot
>>29377667
>Germans didn't use the *ping* to kill Americans!!
So you're saying that 400,000 Americans went over and killed THEMSELVES in Germany in WW2?
I don't know who's the bigger retard.
Your mother. Or your father.
>>29377667
Batteldfields aren't all thunderous booms.
>>29376819
I can see the logic behind that with a 5.45 and a 5.56 because both are 5mm but jfc senpai
>>29377712
I'm saying they died in battle the same as any other poor bastard did.
>>29377715
Are you implying you could hear a minor ping noise during a firefight?
>>29377721
I had my boss tell me 7.62x39 was so the Russians could take our .308 and use it.
I WTF'd hard.
>>29377715
i dunno man
not him, but artillery and explosions aside, garands, type 99s, and k98's alone are loud as fuck. let alone a shit ton of them all firing at once. i really doubt a german or japanese soldier would take notice that little ping amidst the gunfire.
>>29376867
Wait. .. are fudds Californians?
>>29377715
So you're saying you could hear a garand ping from a few hundred meters away while you and your squad are shooting?
>>29377699
And food tastes better when I put it in my mouth, than when I shove it up my ass.
>>29377749
Nearly all "reasonable gun control" advocates are fudds
>you don't need a sniper rifle to hunt
Just a remington 700 in a polymer stock and a scope
>all you need is a shotgun to hunt, but not a saiga because you dont need a clip that big to hunt durr
>>29377783
The fuck I hate these people. But I was raised by them, so I don't have a good argument either. D:
>>29377763
top kek
>>29377749
Pretty much >>29377783
Some of the most anti gun people I've met were self proclaimed hunters and outdoorsmen. I even know a guy that HATES guns because he claims someone shot at him while he was hunting, but he doesn't blame the guy because that's just nerves. He's a bowfag, so you can't expect much.
>>29377715
Dude, when you get EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you really think you're gonna hear a small ping 50 yards out while Gustav is shooting next to you?
>>29377576
This one always got me in its infinite variations.
>DEM GERMANA WOULD JUST WAIT FIR THE PING SOUND THEN THEYD ALL CHARGE!
>implying Germans were waiting to "charge" all the time like it was trench warfare
>implying you'd base your charge on ONE soldier reloading
>implying you could hear a fucking metal PING 50 yards away with gunfire, artillery, grenades and all matter of other war shit going off all around you
>HANS I KNOW IT IS LOUD BUT YOU MUST LISTEN FOR TINY METAL NOISE THEN WE CAN SAFELY ATTACK
>>29377836
seems more likely in a jungle or something, not far from each other.
if for some strange reason one man was shooting at another single man innawoods, but both couldn't really tell where the fuck the other is despite being 10 yards away.
Well anyway, if you hear a round fired that didn't sound like the rest or a "ping" I would take that opportunity to maneuver.
>>29377738
I mean, you could put the actual projectile from either cartridge in the other. I bet he was like
>muh .357 magnum and muh .38 spcl
>muh a .22 short and long can fit in a .22 long rifle
>therefore a 7.62x39 can fire from a 7.62x51
>>29377835
this
>deafened by a machine gun blasting away next to you. literally eardrum-rupturing levels of noise
>somehow hear a ping from 50 yards away
>>29377712
You know what he's saying, Autismo. Go crawl back into your basement.
>>29376755
So do, my dad actually. People survive worse shit than guns shots all the time and the head isn't some magical off switch. Now I'm not defending .22lr as hot shit but it is capable in the right circumstances but it can't do the shit people claims it can reliably. Thus the shot placement
>>29377836
>>HANS I KNOW IT IS LOUD BUT YOU MUST LISTEN FOR TINY METAL NOISE THEN WE CAN SAFELY ATTACK
I kek'd out loud
>>29377749
Basically.
>>29377870
>can't do the shit people claims it can reliably
One time I was shooting old (probably 1970s era) .22lr rounds out of my Marlin at some pop cans, and I checked the pop cans later, and a .22 projectile was actually in one of the cans. It didn't even make it through the other side, I shit you not.
That's an extreme exception though.
I see on boards other than 4chan people proclaiming that .22 "ricochet" and "bounce" off of bone and can even travel through veins. Of course, everyone who says that "knows a guy" it happened to. You'd think 1/2 of the people in the country were shot by .22 to hear these guys put it.
>>29377453
He never actually said that you stupid fucking redneck.
>>29377909
>You'd think 1/2 of the people in the country were shot by .22 to hear these guys put it.
And the European posters probably believe it. But that's implying it wasn't a European shitposter in the first place.
>>29376874
>>29377103
>Vietnam vets telling stories about how the AR15 they were issued said Mattel on it.
I can only wonder if they didn't actually serve or just like to spew bullshit for fun.
>>29376807
Because they weren't designed and issued to hit targets the size of human heads between trenches or anything like that
>>29377749
Fudds = Californians = gun control advocates
>>29377909
>>29377924
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-460315.html
Found an example of the idiots I spoke of. This is a very triggering discussion.
>>29377944
>can only wonder if they didn't actually serve or just like to spew bullshit for fun.
Tfw my dad DEFINITELY served, and he says this as well. How I want to tell him he's wrong, but it wouldn't prove anything at this point.
>>29377495
And see?
>>29377859
You don't understand
>He was saying the Russians used 7.62x39 so they could use our .308
>>29377945
Right?
That's part of being a milsurp fag when you're part of the McFudderson family. It sucks that no one you know outside of /k/ understands.
> .30-06 is God's own caliber
> Been killin' deer and Germans for a hunerd years
That's nice, uncle Jim. Hey, what do you say we put the Crown up for a while, okay?
The county phoned us and said you were calling the Sheriff's office again, asking why they aren't just clubbing all those uppity colored folk on the TV.
>>29377899
Yeah I've seen it ricochet off bricks and clip people in the leg like a tossed rock. If you can get the bullet where it needs to be it's great, but doing that is a hat trick sometimes, especially when you consider the origin of the cartridge
>>29377969
>I've seen instances of
Is everyone on that fucking forum an ER doctor in a hospital specializing in.22lr wounds? Every other poster says "I've seen cases of"
>>29377453
>le someone thought their society was degenerating thousands of years ago, so societies never degenerate meme
Was Socrates wrong? Did Greece reach its golden age after he wrote this? Where is Greece now? What happened in between then and now?
>>29376819
I've heard the Soviet mortars were 81mm whilst NATO were 80mm so that Soviets could use captured NATO ammo in a pinch. I don't know much about mortars though so how true is it?
>>29377974
Nigga what
Surely Noone is that stupid
>>29377999
>why they aren't just clubbing all those uppity colored folk on the TV.
I wonder this every day
>>29377970
yea its fucking bizarre, I wonder if the myth just got repeated enough that it made them misremember?
>>29378023
Not very true at all.
>>29378014
The problem with your theory, is that Socrates's grandfather thought he was a snot-nosed smartass and said the same thing about him.
But fuck it, If you label everyone as a degenerate, you'll probably be right twice a century or so.
>5.56/.223 penetrates drywall less than 9mm or anything really
>supressed 5.56 is too loud and you need hearing protection
>30-30 is ballistically similar to 7.62x39
>>29378011
Interestingly enough a buddy of mine was working with trauma surgeons for a while in new Orleans. Lots and lots of non fatal shootings because in typical Banger style they think shotguns are Hollywood magic and that cheapshit birdshot will send a man flying.
>>29378046
Cool. Guess I qualify for Fudd status.
>>29378048
Thats not how this game works anon, sorry
>>29378047
Well he was such a smart ass they executed him for it.
Societies degrade all the time. It's highly likely we're living in a declining one ourselves.
>>29378011
They're all just a bunch of liars and idiots. I used to frequent another forum when I was a teen fresh out of basic. You should've seen the shitstorm when I told them that the M16 jam situation in 'Nam was mostly due to the ammo and cleaning kit fiasco.
>>29378025
You have no fucking idea.
>MFW he tried recruiting me for his five man militia
>Nine Mill-Uh-Me-Turr is only a bit more effective than .22 lr because of the bouncing .22 does inside of you
>Fo-Five was the greatest achievement pistol calibers ever got and hasn't been surpassed yet
>Any polymer gun is a toy
>.556 can't kill a deer
>The biggest mistake the military ever did was replacing .30-06 with .556
>God bless the 1911, for it is the greatest handgun that has ever existed
Cop here. My department recently switched from .40 to 9mm. I can't tell you how many times I've had this conversation:
>"Hey I thought you guys carried SIGs"
>Yeah we did but we recently switched to Glock 17s
>"Glock 17?! That's a 9mm isn't it?!"
>Yeah we switched over from .40 after the department saw some very convincing scientific studies showing how 9mm performs essentially the same as .40 ballistically. This means we can carry for ammo, ammo is cheaper and..
>"But now you gotta shoot someone like 10 times before they go down"
TLDR- People who think shooting someone with 9mm is like shooting airsoft BBs while having .40 is like having a handheld .308
>>29378172
Milfag here, same shit different uniform. So much lore and superstition, not enough training and fact based information.
>>29378204
Not him but, you use FMJ, it's a slightly less retarded argument with you.
>>29378041
I'll pass. We've seen how this goes. Pick your starting disliked minority group and go from there.
Today, it's black people. Tomorrow it will be hispanic US citizens complaining how they always have to present proof of citizenship when driving. Then some coal miners who had the gall to complain about a shaft collapsing have to be surpressed. Or maybe working class families marching to protest that they can't send little Jimmy to a nice in-state school for less than the cost of a new home.
However it goes, it'll end up in the same place it always does: tow the party line or get shit on. Oh, and no guns allowed, ever. Can't have the rabble armed, can we?
I'd just prefer to not go down that road at all.
>>29378047
>Philosophy
He was a fucking degenerate!
Fuck you, too.
>>29376824
>came out in 1906
But thats not true asshat. im so sick of this false information.
if it were true, which its not, then how would you explain the 1903 springfield?
1903 was the year it was created.
1906 was the year the army adopted it.
fag
>>29376819
No, that stems from 9x18 and 9x19.
You can fire 9x19 in a Makarov, just not safe at all.
And with that ran wild the notion that Russians planned on picking up dropped NATO ammo and dropping them in their pistols one at a time if they ran out.
Fucking retarded and it's still going, it's just changed guns/calibers.
>>29377576
happened like twice in the whole war and was a cinder block/brick, not their helmet
>>29377971
I'm just a poor boy
>>29378078
Welp, didn't know I needed that furniture till now, like that stock alone isn't expensive as fuck already.
Got a militia offer myself but at least 75% of the guys are former mil/Leo so hey free training
>>29378213
Yeah but right now the rage is what KIND of FMJ should we be using, everyone has their own brand of lore to bring to the table.
>M193 was made to tumble better out of the original 1:12 twist barrels
>M855 is AP
>M855A1 has a tendency to break apart on soft targets rather than IN
>>29378023
I heard this exactly one month ago at a gun show.
>>29378252
it was revised and changed in 1906 you fucking sperg
>>29377969
>TheHighRoad
God, I loathe that place.
The kinds of Good Germans who make panicked phone calls to their local ATF branch office (that they have in their contacts list) anytime they see someone under 50 with a suppressor or SBR.
Bootlicking pushovers who are inexplicably convinced they're hardasses.
Oh lord, I double up on earpro during deer season sight in days at the range. I love helping hunters get ready (and getting tons of free 30-06 brass) but goddamn some of the shit those fucks say will drive you to drink.
>ya can't kill a durr with anything less than a 300 win! I can just aim at brown and it's down!
>plastic stocks aren't for durr rifles! It's no good if it's not wood!
>son, that eff eye al ain't not good for durr hunting. You gotta git yourself a lever turdy turdy to kill a whitetail.
>Remington makes the only durr rifles. If you ain't got a Remmy you ain't got shit.
>Son, that AR is too weak to kill a durr.
>Son, that AR is too powerful to kill a durr.
>Why you got your handgun out this time of year? You can't hunt durr with it, too many rounds in the clip!
>Ya should only hunt durr with a single shot rifle. If ya can't kill it with one shot stay home and let the men do the hunting.
>>29378401
>>29378401
To be fair, hunters are *hunting enthusiasts*, not *gun enthusiasts* like you or me.
They don't give a shit about the gun itself, it's just a tool to shoot the deer with.
>>29376622
>5.56 was designed to wound, not kill
>You dont need to hit someone with a 50 cal, just the bullet passing close will fuck them up
>You can shoot 5.56 out of a 7.62 rifle, that's how sneaky the commies are
>You dont need an assault weapon, just a hunting rifle
>Assault bullets blow up the target too, no need for skinning
>Civilians dont need body armor, only cops and soldiers
>If you can't hit a target at 800m just put the rifle down son
>9mm will never kill, only 45 works nowadays
I have such a deep hatred for fudds. You just gotta smile and nod and keep on doing what you're doing, though. No point in causing a scene over stupid shit.
>>29378351
THR IS GREAT!
Only if you happen to stumble across a related bit of information while doing an internet search though, thanks to the fact that it is a forum so shit doesnt go away. Other than that it's not great at all. 4chan may be a bag of faggots but at least there is some attempt at backing up claims. Not like that almost false politeness at thr. Its like nobody wants to call anyone else out for fear that they may be proven wrong and there's this odd acceptance that only broken by smugness.
I tend to avoid forums that aren't brand/model specific like FALfiles or Berettaforums just because those guys bleed the brands
My own dad
>.223 is underpowered
>.45 stopping power
>muh mossberg is the best for HD
I'm not too sure about this one
>soviet weapons are only good if they're Russian
I know he's said a few more fudd like things, but he loves tactical shit. He also likes to look at mall ninja knives too.
And he does say 9mm is an adequate self defense round and wont go any lower than that.
And I know he wishes he had a saiga shotgun.
>>29378401
>>Ya should only hunt durr with a single shot rifle. If ya can't kill it with one shot stay home and let the men do the hunting.
>your AR15 is too weak to hunt deer
These are correct.
You would only need 1 shot if you used a real deer caliber and aimed. .223 is really only suitable for varmint hunting and would prolong the suffering of deer.
OP, are you volunteering to get shot in the head with a .22 from 50 yards?
>>29378048
That's all true though.
>>29376622
The chauchat worked great, it was only the american version that sucked!
>totally ignores cut out magazine and other reliability issues while deflecting with 30-06 broke it bullshit
>>29378460
>get buttmad when people say marksmanship is important
>all that shit about armor and assault rifles
Yep if SHTF you'll be out playing dress up in your "operating" rig and some Fudd will blow you away with his "durr rifle lolol" before you realize you're in danger.
>>29378515
>You would only need 1 shot if you used a real deer caliber and aimed. .223 is really only suitable for varmint hunting and would prolong the suffering of deer.
Found the fudd!
>>29378506
.223 is underpowered though.
If it weren't adopted by the military no one would ever use it for deer hunting.
>>29378094
D-dad? what are you doing on 4chan?
>>29378515
I still have the bullet from a deer taken with a. 223 Handi-rifle. Eat shit
>>29377103
>he's never seen a funstore or range story thread
>>29377458
I have a .223 I take out to 300 yards and get first round hits. Try again Europoor.
Also at least we have guns.
>>29378223
I like you. 10/10 reasonable.
>>29378603
I'm a Fudd because I think hunting with an underpowered round and magdumping into a deer is stupid?
Why don't you just get an AR 15 chambered in 308 or something?
>>29378671
>I'm a Fudd because I think hunting with an underpowered round and magdumping into a deer is stupid?
No one said anything about magdumping, at all, and it's not underpowered for deer, people take em all the time.
>AR15
>308
Wew you really just outed yourself.
>>29378588
Yeah, probably. More importantly, I just want to own my shit and not get shit on for it, m80.
>>29378340
>the m16a2 was made so its you cant say the m16 was actually made before that
>>29378515
Tell that to a 77 grain BTHP SMK.
>>29378023
Soviet mortars are 82 mm whilst western ones are 81 mm. You can use 81 mm ammo in soviet ones albeit with accuracy loss
>>29378671
Because that's an AR10.
ALSO if you would like to point out where anyone said shit about magdumping that would be nice. You aren't considering the hunters that have taken multiple deer on one trip, the countless deer that have been taken with .223/5.56, the ARs use as a multipurpose rifle of the difference in deer species depending on the area.
There is as much responsibility in caliber choice as there is in making a proper shot. Keep in mind that hunting with pistol calibers is fairly common
>>29378340
>the ak103 was made so you cant say the AK rifle was actually made before it
>>29378078
That rifle is pure sex
>>29378620
He doesn't hunt.
He was talking about in a tactical scenario
B4 anyone asks, no he isn't an air chair operator. He just really loved his job in the Sheriff's Department
>>29377438
They did make some of the parts, namely the grips which is what lead to their brand marks being on the gun. Mouth-breathing conscripts saw this and thought OH MY GOD MUH GUN IS MADE BY MATTEL and blamed that for the fact that early m-16's were such shit. Later versions of the gun, which were substantially improved in design, also lacked that logo, leaving soldiers to believe that they were "no longer being made by Mattel," which they credited for the improvement in the guns.
>>29378703
Enjoy pulling 20+ pieces of your jacket out of your meat. Bonded .223 bullets exist for a reason, anon.
>>29378796
Whatever you say, Jimbo. By the way, I've also got a pre-64 '94 and an M44. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate smaller lighter bullets and recognize their advantages and disadvantages. Just hunt with what you like
>>29378796
Fair enough but the guy's point was that a .223 can't kill a deer. And it can. An SMK would fuck up a deer's day. I'm not saying it's the perfect hunting bullet, but it could kill a deer.
>>29378680
>>29378715
>DATS DUH AYE ARR TYEEENNNN MUH TISM
literal autism right here folks.
Lmao I bet if I asked you chucklecucks to identify my weapons you'd mumble something about how "it's a shotgun" while spaghetti flew out your tacticool fannypacks.
>>29378873
>.223 can't kill deer
That wasn't my point, I said it could. My point was it isn't the correct tool for the job.
>>29378978
What?
>>29379014
Well, people use it effectively and have for years, so, if the hammer hits the nail well.
>>29379014
Except it is, because there are multiple tools for that job and a .223 is one of them. As a cartridge, it has taken a lot of deer and will continue to do so.
>>29377859
Isn't 7.62x39mm like .311 caliber or something?
>>29377909
travel through veins
>>29378671
>AR-15 in .308
That exists. It's called an AR-10
>>29379036
>just because I can do something means I should
You can take a moped on the interstate too but that doesn't mean it's an efficient means of travel kiddo.
-40 yr hunter and USMC Veteran
>>29379076
Yes, it is. Some 7.62x39 rifles can still shoot with .308 bullets accurately, but not all.
>>29379122
>autism
>AR fanboy
Can't have one without the other, top lel.
>>29377952
There were plenty of pro gun people in California, they just lived far and away from the most major voting blocks.
And a lot of them are some of the stupidest motherfuckers you'd ever have the misfortune of talking to. Which reeeeeaaly hurts the whole sensible effort thing.
>>29379133
>it autistic to point out facts
>I'm an AR fanboy because I know an AR-10 exists
Wew lads
>>29376622
My boss was in the market for a carry pistol. He had his choices narrowed down between a Sig 226, a CZ 75, and some type of Kimber and said he was going to buy one over the weekend. I go into work on Monday and he says "hey anon, come back here and look at this new gun I bought". I go into the office with him and he pulls a a Browning .22lr out of his wasteband. I'm wtfing hard and ask him what happened to the other guns he was wanting. He says he was talking to AJ (a local cop who stops during the day to check up on local businesses) and he told him that a .22lr was a good carry caliber because it would penetrate body armor that other handgun calibers couldn't because it was so small. MFW.
>>29376828
I remember a story where an older gentleman brought a type 38 to the NRA complaining that the recoil was too much. It turns out he had been shooting 30-06 out of it the entire time. They tied the rifle to a tire and fired a 30-06 out of it, the gun fired and when they took it apart there was absolutely no damage to the action
>>29378978
That post made no fucking sense at all. Youre AR15 in .308 would be an AR10. You claim autism which usually implies a poster is concerned with very specific details, then claiming we they wouldn't know specific details.
Unless you're shotgun is an ancient Damascus double or an old store brand I doubt anyone here would have trouble identifying anything from a Ithaca 66, to a fox, to a cosmi to a six twelve, 9410 of enfield conversion.
>>29378695
>>29378736
You autists are fucking incredible, holy shit.
>>29379124
Go ahead and give us a list of All the rifles and cartridges you've tested extensively then oh wise one
>>29379124
Thank you for your service
>>29378252
>.30-03 is the same as .30-06
>the rifle using the same action from 1903 makes the two rounds the same.
Holy shit, retard. Really?
>>29378045
Probably. It doesn't make sense any other way.
>>29379124
>he thinks being a muh-reen makes him smart
Look jackoff, I don't care if you put the entire Navy Seal copypasta. It doesn't make you right. Lots of people take deer with .223. If you can't, aim better.
>>29378588
You are implying hunters can hit anything beyond 100 yards. The weekends leading up to deer season are great because I get to watch dozens of retards try and figure out how to adjust their scopes and spend 60 rounds chasing their zero. God forbid you try and explain what MOA is and how it relates to the dials on their scope.
>>29379124
>40 year hunter
So... fudd.
>>29379124
psssh, nothin personal kiddo
>>29378583
That's not really fuddlore as it's explaining the 8mm gun as being a chunky and awkward gun that can work passably in ideal conditions, the .30-06 was the one which was unusable.
>>29379036
There is no magically shutoff point for calibers on deer. Anyone who thinks a 100gr .243 @ 3000fps is suitable for CXP2 and a 62gr .223 @ 3000fps isn't will need to provide some additional reasoning why.
That being said, all other things being equal (penetration, bullet construction, expansion, etc.), a .308" bullet will make a hole with roughly 150% of the radius of a .224.
That's 225% more surface area for blood to escape, which is the big killer for lung shots.
Assuming you're a good shot, yes, .223 is a fine killer of deer. But make the exact same shot, and you'll chase that deer a lot less distance with a .30 caliber bullet.
>>29377699
Naw, man. Naw.
Hydrostatic shock from a .50 will kill you six ways from Sunday if it so much as passes within two feet of you. Doesn't matter where you get hit with one of those, it'll kill you if it hits your pinky.
(I've heard that one before)
>>29379179
>I'm equivalent to a Delta force weapons sergeant because I browse an anime forums gun board
>an AR-10 is totally not just an AR-15 chambered in 7.62x51 its totally different
You wear knee and elbow pads to the range don't you?
>>29379274
I understand that but we're talking about if .223 is a suitable or viable deer cartridge, not the BEST cartridge. It meets the criteria.
>>29377103
Old people now might be worse because they grew up in an era where fact checking was difficult, now days you can bring up somebody's Facebook and prove they weren't in Delta force in 2009 because of all their beech pictures from studying abroad in Australia
>>29379289
You know the AR10 came first right? You're all kinds of fucked.
>>29376825
Well, it wasn't created for precise shooting, that much is true. It was a combat rifle, so all it has to do is hit the fucker within 300 yards, and it was designed simply so that even the most fuck all retarded potato farmer turned conscript could operated and maintain it.
>>29377383
How can /k/ be real if our eyes aren't real?
>>29379124
Thank you for yoyr cervix, sorry it is so bruised by differing opinion
>>29379162
Your boss is even more retarded than the retarded cop. That's off the charts level retardation right there, holy shit.
>>29379124
Thank you for your service.
>>29379248
>it can be done that means it should be done
This is not a valid argument son, plenty of bubba's take deer with a flashlight and a .22lr rifle but that doesn't mean it's optimal or good sportsmanship.
>>29379281
Getting a hand/foot shot off could put you into shock, and could by extension kill you.
But yeah, the .50 kill cone of death is laughable at best. Especially considering they're usually fired without optics at people that you can't tell apart from bushes. You'd think that's all they'd need to issue.
>>29379248
>Lots of people take deer with .223. If you can't, aim better.
Like the Marine said, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
How did this devolve into an argument of whose smallest caliber can kill what?
>>29378978
>MUH TISM
lel
>>29379327
Actually that sounds fucking rad, I'd love to strip down naked and run around in the mud, stunning deer with a flashlight in one hand and shooting them in the head with a suppressed Mk 3.
>>29378786
It's like our Vietnam soldiers were 40K orcs and all they had to do was believe
>>29377395
Most SANE people DO fear the sound of a shotgun being pumped or any gun being racked.
>>29379271
Not him, but
>being older means fudd
>implying you can't be young and also be a fudd
>believing someone's stated age and supposed military experience at face value on /k/
>>29379346
Why stop there, stun them with a flashlight then suck out their soul with a vacuum cleaner.
>>29379336
Because, "No John, you are the Fudds."
>>29379124
>USMC Veteran
>he thinks that's impressive
>>29379364
LUIIIIIIIIIIGIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJGd7G2wYuU
>>29379309
Nice buzzwords, now go back to cranking it over your $3000 SHTF "Zombie" AR.
I've been in combat, I know I'll be good when Obama seizes the Govt during the elections, hopefully you're pretty so you can be of some use when somebody like me strips you of all your gear and supplies.
>>29379360
I'm sure people breaking into your home are definitely in a stable and predictable state of mind.
>>29379296
You have a point. Lies got passed around, and you didn't always have a book handy to prove them wrong, and that's worse if the lie comes from a person you don't have any reason not to believe anyway. A lot of those lies I'm sure came from people that didn't know they were wrong, either.
>>29379327
>sportsmanship
K
>>29379384
Oh. You're insane. Well alright then.
>>29379400
>removing giant rat
>caring about being sporting
That guy is siiiilllay!
>>29379327
> Not optimal
True, but if it's between not hunting at all or hunting with a .223, people should be allowed to hunt.
> Not sportsmanlike
Brother, you're harnessing the power of am industrialized economy to pull nitrogen out of air, and then combusting it to propel rocks > 2000 fps to destroy an ungulate's only mechanism of breathing. All because you either want to eat it or turn it's corpse into art.
Nothing about this scenario is fair or sporting.
>>29379162
You should bend your boss over his desk and fuck him to establish dominance, clearly he is no longer fit to lead.
>If you don't do a full takedown and cleaning on your gun even if you took it outdoors without firing it it'll turn into 100% rust
>>29379384
>Obama seizes the Govt during the elections
I so badly want to know more, but I'm afraid we'll end up at full /pol/ if you elaborate.
>>29379380
https://m.youtube.com/verify_age?next=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyJGd7G2wYuU&client=mv-google
Verify age, sign in? ! Are you the NSA!?
You're just after my dragon D!
>>29379330
Getting your foot blown off at the shin with a .50bmg round would be lethal without immediate medical attention.
>Hurr I would just slap a tourniquet on it!
It's not certain you would be lucid enough to do it correctly or even do it after an anti material round blows one of your appendages off.
>>29379428
I'm from the south and yes this is how it works.
>>29379444
The vid is worth it.
>>29379428
>tfw I only in the last couple years learned I didn't need to go full autismus with my gun cleaning every time I shot one.
I swear, I didn't have a way to know better.
>>29379289
Do you also call the AK-74 an AKM?
>>29379384
>Implying I don't have the same training you supposedly do.
Dude, you have one hell of a complex. You aren't special. Literal retards are taught how to be infantry every day in Georgia.
>>29379445
That's what I was saying, fuck nut. Stop being so contrarian and actually reading comprehension.
>>29378094
I kind of want to bring a .45-70 (or some other slug cartridge perhaps more comparable to 5.56) to Whereverthefuckistan and see if it works better for killing shitskins than an AR...
>>29379477
Bring a Marlin 336 chambered in .35 Remington
>>29378281
I need no Benelli,
>>29379477
They're almost white in the 'stans' you have to go down to Kenya or Somalia.
And really the thought of you going up against them kinda makes me giggle and jiggle my tits.
>talking about calibers with someone at a party
>mention shooting 7.62x51 NATO out of my .308
>"7.62 is a Russian round"
>"I don't like the kick of 7.62"
>among other things, says "My cop buddy put a Russian 9mm in his gun and it blew up"
>spews blatantly wrong things like they're fact the entire conversation
It was like talking to a noguns on /k/.
And my Bernieboo friend who's SHTF plan is to snipe people from his windows with a lever action .22.
>>29379449
>lived in central South Carolina (humidity capitol of the universe) for 10 years
>went months between cleaning my carbon steel competition shotguns
>they never rusted
You sir are either full of shit or only own slavshit that have only ever fired corrosive surplus
>>29378506
I mean, Russia does have the original dies for more of their stuff, and the quality does tend to be a bit better, though mostly in the cosmetic sense.
>>29379162
I hope to god you're lying
>>29379500
>almost white
MFW pic related, Afghan National Army
>>29379493
Because I rack the slide, clay throw
>>29379434
Obama has been weakening America for the past 8 years in an effort to prepare it for total domination by our enemies including Isis, Russia, Assad, the Deros, and North Korea.
Operation JH was a false flag to test the waters, the true attack will begin this fall.
>>29379535
>bernieboo
isn't "bern victim" more accurate?
>>29379476
I was argreeing with you, calm your tits.
>>29379500
>almost white
>>29379450
Guy hunting a pig with a Spear.
I'll have to combine this with my arguments that everything is unnecessary and excessive. FB will love it.
>>29379551
Not him, but besides being really tan, they do have white people features.
They could almost pass for southern Italians.
>>29379601
>southern Italians
>white
Next I suppose you'll say the Chinese are white. And the Argentinians are white. And the Kenyans. And the Ugandans. And the Congolese.
>>29379393
Depends if it's a drug addict, someone looking for cash, or a dumbass teenager trying to be cool. But yeah I can see your point.
>>29379601
>white people features
Please point out all the white people features in this picture.
>>29379551
>>29379591
Please show me video of your porcelain people, oh cave dwelling mole anons.
>>29379621
Even better. Here's a side by side comparison.
Please point out any and all structural similarities.
>>29378078
What furniture is that?
>>29379124
Dank u 4 ur serbs
>>29379500
Like, I'm only even bringing it up because the concept of body armor is like fucking magic to those assholes, so, between the short ranges and the soft targets, in curious if a high powered slug would be more suited for fucking shit up.
>>29376700
Ems here. Bullets can bounce. It happens
>>29379618
>muh whites!
>muh black!
>muh Asians!
Meaningless terms, race is far more nuanced than skin tone. There are many different African, European, and Asian ethnicities. A Swede is different from a German. A western German is different from an Eastern german.
If your gonna be racist get it right, otherwise you'll make us all look bad.
>>29379553
Little high, little low
>>29379684
Ah, I was just calling you edgy for tryhard racism.
In that case, I'd think it'd work in your favour, I mean the Ausies /did/ liberate 'Straya from the natives with a very similar cartridge.
>>29379657
get triggered somewhere else faggot
>>>/reddit/
>>29379639
Obama wasnt actually an Afghani though, his family is Saudi.
>>29379703
Sorry for not wanting the thread to get COMPLETELY derailed by someone that wants to talk about race instead of fudds.
>>29379721
Well, first it was hunters and .223 babies arguing, for a long while, then race. .. I think the threads been shot to hell for a while now.
>>29376867
>Mattel M16
But that actually was a thing, except it was actually a toy made after the rifle. Not saying those people are any less stupid, just misinformed.
>>29379740
Damn it, this thread was a lot of fun earlier too.
>>29379618
that staff sergeant is handsome as fuck.
