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>rifled
thanks for the great thread, 16 year old shitposter. Really brought in some insight.
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sage
>>29366028
the least they could do is put a flash hider on the end to protect the crown. fucking amateurs.
/k/, the board where people cry about trivial things that will never affect them
>>29366028
...And?
>>29366028
>does it kill tanks
Yes.
>is it accurate
Yes.
>was it far more cost effective to rifle the barrel and use existing (enormous) stocks of ammunition designed for rifled guns?
Yes.
Thread is shit. You're shit. Eat shit. Shit.
China does not use it therefore it is useless
>>29366438
.50s can kill tanks, are accurate and have tons of ammo
m2 should be primary anti tank weapon
>>29366325
Flash hiders / Muzzle brakes mess up with sabot rounds trajectories
>>29366498
>.50s can kill tanks
I'd be willing to bet that's a complete fucking fallacy even if you were to count rusty T-34s.
>inb4 you call a mobility kill a kill
>>29366028
>thinly veiled brit hate circlejerk thread
>>29366533
Name a single modern tank that can't be penned in the rear from a 50 and have its engine destroyed.
>muh mobility kill
That's all you're going to be able to hope for with that rifled shit in a few years
>>29366565
You are literally agreeing with the point that guy was making. Which I will third by the way. Learn to read you troglodyte.
>>29366318
Sage isnt a downvote, faggot
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>>29366498
During WW1, yes but in this modern age the 12.7mm NATO just jack shit against a foot of chobham armor.
>>29366565
Although it's thin, I'm pretty sure all modern MBTs have protection from small arms (and 12.7mm is still a small arm when you're looking at a tank) even in the rear.
Unless you're firing from above, directly into the cooling louvres. Even then most MBTs can have their powerpacks replaced in something like 40 minutes and it's as if nothing happened.
>>29366597
>a pullbox is just as good as a tank! Who needs to kill any armor made after the 70s, we have HESH!
Bongs.
>>29366565
>50 cal penetrating a modern tank anywhere
do people really is this stupid?
>>29366616
Holy shit again. We are saying you do need tanks. Are you fucking retarded.
>>29366634
At least two documented instances of .50s taking out engines of M1s in Iraq
>>29366565
Sigh
Mk4 Merkava
K2 Panther
T-14
Japanese Type 10
Chinese Type99
Arjun MBT
Challenger 2
AMX Leclerc
M1 Abrams
and assorted others.
>>29366521
Dumbshit, you can't fire effective sabot rounds out of a rifled barrel.
name one thing a rifled gun does better than a smoothbore now a days
>>29366668
because the M1 has slats at the back for its stupid engine. A tank with a proper engine has armour at the rar and vented slats on the engine deck.
The minimum thickness of the Dorchester armour on CR2 is 79mm. This is the amount you will find on the rear.
There is 0 chance of even a specialist .50 AP round penetrating that.
>>29366438
>does it kill tanks
>Yes.
Only old T-55's and T-72's. The bongs themselves estimate that their sabot is worse than the M829A1 used in Desert Storm, the kind that was tested to have trouble against T-80U and T-90.
>>29366616
Are... Are you retarded?
You realise that British Challengers are still firing rounds that were made for Cheiftain? And how mind-bendingly expensive it would have been to dispose of all that ammunition and buy more designed for smoothbore guns?
>>29366684
So what were the Brits destroying tanks with in both gulf wars ?
Retard.
>>29366684
APFDS, no because the rifling fucks up the fin stabilisation.
Chally has SABOT rounds.
>>29366710
Probably the HESH they love to shoot.
>>29366718
Nope. are you 16 ?
CHARM 3 is a DU APFSDS
>>29366704
I'm pretty sure a Challenger destroyed/disabled another Challenger during Iraq 2: Democratic Boogaloo, and as we know Chally is pretty well protected.
So it's doing something right.
>>29366701
Actually it went through the side rear of the vehicle as it didn't hit the skirt.
>The minimum thickness of the Dorchester armour on CR2 is 79mm
You are aware that no tank uses composites over the entirety of the vehicle, right? It's not cost effective. Look at the armor schemes of any modern vehicle, it tapers off to the side rear and become just steel.
>>29366668
>At least two documented instances of .50s taking out engines of M1s in Iraq
Then this thread should really be about how shit-tier American armour is.
>>29366750
>bongistani gets rekt
>m-m-m-muh america
anglosphere is the worst sphere.
>>29366762
>America is member of anglosphere club unless we're arguing with other anglos
Make up your mind yankeescum
>>29366734
You are quite right, I do apologise. I have no idea why I thought it wasn't a finned round.
>>29366729
HESH is for buildings, fortifications and light vehicles. The majority of tanks (200ish) destroyed by the British were destroyed with APFSDS.
They would also be very eager to let you know that CR1 (uses the same gun) hold the record for longest ranged tank on tank kill. iirc it was a T64 at 3 miles.
>>29366708
they could do what every nation did when they ended up with obsolete ammo : sell it.
>>29366774
>everyone who disagrees with me is American
that's some complex you've got there
>>29366776
Wow, thanks for being honest. A refreshing change for /k/.
>>29366792
i'll make you love me faggot
>>29366777
say that to the chally 2 that got killed by a hesh round hitting its commanders hatch and setting it on fire
>>29366735
That was a freak accident of a HESH round hitting an open commander's hatch
>>29366777
HESH, for when you want to attach a satchel charge from three miles away.
>>29366791
That still doesn't change / cover the costs of refilling a whole inventory.
>>29366777
How come it's always the British pulling off the world record freak shots?
>>29366835
no, but it does allow you to get some money to modernize.
We would still be using our massive stocks of 30-06 and garand rifles today if we insisted on using up ALL the ammo before modernizing.
>>29366847
Combination of good training and ample opportunities
>>29366847
British are more professional than HOO-AH/HOORAH LAND OF THE FREE PRAY TO GOD BEFORE EVERY MISSION American troops
>>29366847
they hide at the back, far behind all the superior american Negro's
>>29366791
I believe the only people who could make use of it would be Iran, Oman and Jordan.
>>29366851
>no, but it does allow you to get some money to modernize.
This of course, assumes that there is a buyer.
>if we insisted on using up ALL the ammo before modernizing
Nobody is claiming that.
But clearly the MoD has a better understanding of this than both of us. So I'd defer my opinion to there's.
>>29366880
Well actually that's my next question of why the British are the only ones still going around bayoneting people too
Maybe their performance increases the further from mean engagement range you get?
>>29366887
what did everyone else do with their obsolete rifled ammo?
>>29366922
Take it to an old quarry and blow the living shit out of it
>>29366791
No one else uses Rifled guns aside from people who use CR1/2, and they already have tons of ammunition for them.
There's no market. Plus when everyone else went smoothbore they flooded the market, devaluing the rounds.
>>29366796
Happy to admit fault when I'm wrong.
I think it may have been something anti-Chally posters said about a rifled gun and I just didn't check. More fool me.
>>29366875
b8
>>29366907
I'm actually doubtful that there hasn't been a bayoneting by other forces.
It's just people don't give orders to bayonet charge.
>>29366922
>obsolete
Stop using this word, the difference between using smoothbore and rifled clearly isn't enough to swap the inventory.
Binned it / blew it up.
>>29366907
>" Enemy, 300 meters, follow my tracer!"
>"SIR, they're both too close and too far away! We're at minimal effectiveness!"
>"Fuck it, fix bayonets lads, we know when we're beaten"
>>29366847
British armoured crews spend a lot of time practicing gunnery. We aim to overwhelm the enemy with a high rate of very accurate fire at extreme ranges to minimise the handicap of smaller numbers.
>>29366847
Most people don't have the time to sit around and plink at their target for half an hour.
One of those things I've always wondered but never got round to finding out: what's this thing?
>>29367019
Bore sight
>>29367019
It detects any warp in the barrel from a sensor mounted on the turret from overheating so that it automatically calibrates the sight
>>29366994
>the difference between using smoothbore and rifled clearly isn't enough to swap the inventory.
They're going to have to as the last ammo factory for it was closed years ago. Gonna be more expensive to retool, equip and train a new factory than it is to switch and just use NATO ammo.
>>29367032
As stocks begin to run out I believe part of the CR2 LEP plan is to equip it with a smoothbore gun, probably the Rheinmetall L/55
>>29366996
"Shooting at 300 yards is awfully... common, don't you think sergeant? A little too Sports Direct mug, reading The Sun, eating-sandwiches-without-cutlery sort of thing?"
>>29366735
It fired a HESH round at another chally, the HESH hit the opened commanders hatch (commander had just been standing in it) HESH explosion was vented into the main fighting compartment killing the crew and setting the tank on fire.
>>29366847
Doctrine I would guess, or just what the commander wants to do.
The Americans would simply move up until they get to a range where hits are extremely likely rather than plink for half an hour.
>>29366601
no fucking shit nigger
was hoping to kill this thread but apparently no
>>29367112
Yeah because it's not like the US have world-record breaking distance kills either.
Fucktard.
>>29367142
like ?
Brits have sniping and tank engagement. What ones do people even keep track of ?
>>29367061
You laugh but one of my fellow PO's on a visit to RMAS ate a cheese and ham sandwich with a knife and fork.
The staffie escorting us looked like it broke his faith in humanity.
>also not having 20 sports direct mugs being used as tool holders because of all the stuff you've ordered online.
>>29367088
>HESH is known to be shit against all other tanks
>Except against the Challenger, then it's Super Effective
Bongs only have rifled guns to fight back when their military rebels.
>>29366704
>The bongs themselves estimate that their sabot is worse than the M829A1 used in Desert Storm
No they don't.
The ONLY known comparison is that they said the DM53 fired from an L55 has more penetrative power than L27 fired from an L30 (Also an L55 cal).
They didn't say by how much.
That is literally the extent of what the British (or anyone else in a position to know the real numbers) have said.
>>29367007
>>29367112
Except they didn't "plink for half an hour"
You've repeated this numerous times in numerous threads and it's still as untrue as the first time. It occured during an engagement between T-55's and CR1's where the T-55's stumbled into an area already bracketed by the Challys.
T-55's tried to break off. One of them further away got hit during the engagement.
There was no "sit and plink for half an hour". It was a first shot kill.
>>29367862
>making up bullshit
It was an Asad Babil that was sitting down dug in and took multiple shots.
>>29366847
The British Army puts a heavy emphasis on marksmanship, and this translates to a tendency towards obtaining more accurate gear.
>>29367142
After i called you out in >>29367249 i'm yet to hear back from you.
I was curious to begin with, now i'm amused.
>>29368234
[Citation needed]
If you're gonna make shit up on an established event, you're gonna need some proof.
>>29366473
should be more like:
>EVEN China does not use it NO LONGER therefore YOU CAN BET YOUR MONEY it is useless
/thread:
rifled barrels suck when compared to smoothbore ones. fact.
