Zhi-10 is the patrician of ground attack helos, prove me wrong
Also, attack helicopter and related thread.
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>>29354517
>patrician
Why are you using this retarded language?
>>29354517
Counterargument: ur a cunt.
reminder that india will become a super power by 2030
inb4 poo in loo
inb4 designated
>>29354590
somewhere there is a Swastika in that camo
>>29354517
Can it withstand 12.7 fire? If not, it's plebeian.
>>29354590
Is the big fat body due to a small designated pooing area in the copter itself?
>>29354718
I already called designated u faggot
That's cute.
>>29354734
Calm down anon, everyone knows that India won't be a super power with how corrupt their government is.
>>29354796
>superpower
>citizens shit in the street
Toppest of keks
>>29354796
fuck you just wait till we become a super power you will beg us to become our white servants
>>29354823
Quit posting this gay chink shit.
>>29354757
>>29354886
>can't even do a full roll
Lel
>>29354866
fuck you its indian
are all americans this dumb?
>>29354895
No, just the Indian ones.
Sikhs are cool.
>>29354895
>literal flying piece of shit
Haw
>>29354893
A full roll isnt that impressive compared to a half-roll.
>>29354981
I don't think you know anything about rotary wing fundamentals of flight
>Not posting the best AH ever
What are you even doing...
>>29354981
What's it like worshipping cows, dodging traffic like Somalis dodge flies and walking out your front door to defecate?
>>29355022
But the apache was already posted...
>>29354590
>this camo
>>29354895
Fuck you curry-nigger.
>>29355022
Do the wings on the Viper and Super Cobra generate lift at all?
Fact: any attack helicopter not built by nations that have over 60 years of experience using them is shit
>>29355022
The amount of shooping that image has seen, holy shit.
>>29355069
Looks like a computer model to me, to be honest.
>>29355067
Truth. Which is why AH64 and AH1 are best
>>29354981
>Furr dorrar is not as impressive as haff dorrar
>>29355134
At killing third worlders, maybe. How do they fare against modern MANPADS? Can it sustain 12.7mm AA fire?
>>29355051
The Viper has larger wings than the Super Cobra and I do think they generate some lift.
>>29355033
The AH-1Z has better range, the AH-64 has a better gun..
>>29355183
>How do they fare against MANPADs?
Kek, find me a gunship that DOESN'T fuck off against MANPADs.
>Can it resist 12.7mm?
You're sounding like a Havoc fanboy. Full resistance against 12.7 destroys weight concerns. You can have 14.5 resistance for the pilot and still get mission killed by hits to other areas.
>>29355199
They both carry AGM114, so their max weapon range is essentially the same with an FCR, which I don't think the corps uses too often. Maybe you're referring to the 20mm, I don't know the MER for that system.
>>29355183
Hahaha do some research bud. It can handle all that shit.
I smell Kamov in Zhi-10
Who needs armor if you have standoff weapons and your main mission is to kill tanks and bunkers from afar and beyond visual range under aid of buddy/ground-designation.
>>29354517
nice AH64 clone
>>29355215
Hind fanboy, actually.
Also interested in how other countries (except Russia's) attack helos would fare against Finnish company level air defence doctrine, since each platoon is armed with atleast a 12.7mm machinegun for anti-air, meant for harassing enemy helicopters, stopping landings completely and forcing attack helicopters higher above the treetops, into dedicated anti-air range.
The Hind is a bit of a problem, considering it's notable armour.
>The Mi-24 fuselage is heavily armored and can resist impacts from 12.7 mm (0.50 in) rounds from all angles. The titanium rotor blades are also resistant to 12.7 mm rounds.
>>29355250
Awww how special
>The AH64 crew compartment and the rotor blades are designed to sustain a hit from 23 mm (0.91 in) rounds
>>29355220
>>29355199
The Apache has way better avionics and sensors.
>>29355250
>muh dismounted personnel with shitty crew served AA
After SEAD and artillery fucking your world up, a helicopters weapon systems still have greater standoff than you and Sven's old DsHK
>>29354517
It's a meaningless title handed out to supporters to make them feel like they were elevated above the common man?
I think you are wrong; it looks like a helicopter.
>>29355278
I know that from firsthand experience.
>>29355278
What avionics and sensors are so much better? I can see that having the radar mounted on the top instead of pic related would be useful, but the other sensors are absolutly on par with what the Ah-64 has.
>>29355220
With gun i meant gun. The 20mm on is somewhat worse than the 30mm M230 on the Ah-64.
>>29355276
>(a) hit
>Just the compartment and rotor blades
You do realize most 23mm anti-air are machineguns, don't you? What about the rest of the helo? That really doesn't tell me much.
>>29355288
>SEAD and artillery will magically target mobile anti-air and MANPADS without an active radar signature
Sure thing.
>>29355303
Kek read up on the block III or E model.
>>29355295
If you have flown them both I guess I cant argue. The AH-1Z was a massive step up from the Super Cobra tho.
>>29355317
Then what are you talking about? The cobra's gun has
>less ammunition
>much weaker penetration
>lower RPM
>high jam rate
>much less fragmentation
>>29355323
>Radar guided AAA artillery doesn't produce a radar signature
>>29355333
I've flown one of them and I'm not denying that the Zulu model isn't great, it's just a dated airframe.
>>29355365
>All anti-air is radar guided
>EMCON states don't exist
>>29355323
Do you know what SEAD stands for? And are you aware that MANPADS are certainly able to be defeated post launch?
>>29355373
Tell me how successful AAA has been in the last 50 years.
>>29355387
>Do you know what SEAD stands for?
Yes, which is why EMCON states exist so everything isn't a constant target for AR missiles. Can Russia provide every single one of its helicopters and flights with continuous SEAD support? What's stopping AA crews from engaging their radars at the very last moment and until then relying on information from VLR-radars?
>And are you aware that MANPADS are certainly able to be defeated post launch?
>>29355183
>How do they fare against modern MANPADS?
>>29355399
Tell me how many modern, well trained militaries have used AAA against airborne targets?
>>29355421
Iraq, gulf War. Iraq, Iraq War. Iraq, Iraq Iran War.
>>29355421
>VLR-radars?
Make that OTH radars. I can't into English acronyms.
>>29355421
>Tell me how many modern, well trained militaries have used AAA against airborne targets?
Not many at all. And there is a reason for that.
>>29355250
Hind is a poor comparison, being heavy as fuck for it's role as a troop transport. 1,200 pounds heavier than Twin Huey that carries the same troops.
UH-1Y Venom weighs similarly, carries more troops, and has better avionics for gunship work.
>>29355431
>Modern
>Well trained
>>29355421
>because it's new it can't be defeated
>>29355445
>4th largest army in the world
>modern Russian equipment
>reasonably well trained
>>29355443
How many modern, well trained militaries have engaged in total war in the past 50 years?
>>29355444
I'd much rather have a Twin Huey attacking my platoon's position than a Hind, though. The former's a lot more vulnerable to concentrated fire.
>>29355458
No. I'm asking how well it can defend itself or avoid a missile from a modern MANPAD, dingus.
>>29355466
>Large army
>Monkey models of Russian cold-war gear
>Shittily trained troops that couldn't tell apart training ammunition from live rounds
>Incompetent as fuck officer core that doesn't give a fuck about anyone below them
I know it gets posted everytime Arab incompetence rears its ugly head, but still.
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
>>29355489
It can defeat modern manpads
>>29355620
but what about womanpads?
yeah though so bitch
Impressive
We should talk more about Chinese equipment.
>>29355620
And how big of a chance does it have at that? Is it reliable? Does it have weaknesses?
>>29355489
i find it strange that we have never seen an arab officer's viewpoint on this issue.
>>29355653
Why would I post secret and sensitive information about the strengths or weaknesses of a military platform on a Sudanese rice growing forum?
>>29355641
Can't, the burgers don't allow any other discussion other than their military and how they are the best and will never be defeated.
>>29355693
But that's all true.
>>29355686
>4th largest army in the world
>modern Russian equipment
>reasonably well trained
>>29355692
OPSEC is overrated.
>>29355686
>>29355776
Forgot the image.
>4th largest army in the world
>modern Russian equipment
>reasonably well trained
>>29355489
Concentrated ground fire is a nonissue unless the order of battle fails elsewhere, like gunships and fixed wing. Hind is heavy because Soviet order of battle leaves it more vulnerable than Western analogs.
>>29355776
Getting people killed isn't.
>>29354517
Dumping choppers.
>>29356136
Poor Commanche. After Desert Storm'a air war you'd think that a stealth attack chopper would be all the rage, but I guess not.
Maybe USSOCOM has a few tucked away somewhere, along with their stealth Blackhawks.
>>29355693
When the chink lawnmower gets into combat and all the info about it isn't propaganda, then we'll talk.
>>29356180
Ok Mao
>>29356202
What
>>29356180
Well it's 90% stolen American tech, so it can't be too bad
>>29356159
There's one at the museum in Fort Rucker. It became a money pit as they had it in development for so long and they kept trying to update the systems, they eventually realized it was more effective to simply upgrade the existing fleet and that it's role was already filled effectively by the apache.
>>29356213
He's calling you Mao as in Mao Zedong because you're a communist sympathizing faggot.
>>29356159
There are days I wish they stuck with it and modernized. Maybe a Bushmaster II under the chin, extended or extra stub wings for Hellfires, M134s or GAU-19s on the waist and ass mounts...
>>29356214
Thought it was Kamov tech
>>29356219
The role the Comanche was going to fill was mostly taken by drones, actually. The inter-branch bickering also played a part, the Airforce never liked the Army having things too fancy, like the AH-56.
As far as performance went, the Comanche program was a success and the stealth helicopter worked perfectly.
>>29356219
>>29356253
I know we're all about bombing goat farmers these days, but a VLO attack chopper could be a respectable SEAD/DEAD asset, a la TF Normandy. I'd be willing to bet money that there are either Commanche or VLO-ed Apaches or Cobras somewhere.
>>29356253
>In June 2012, United States charged United Technologies and two of its subsidiaries, Pratt & Whitney Canada and Hamilton Sundstrand, of selling engine control software to China which aided in the development of the CAIC Z-10. While the Chinese defence ministry denied that China bought or used the software, Pratt & Whitney Canada and Hamilton Sundstrand agreed to pay more than $75 million to the U.S. government to settle the charges.
On the Comanche, what role was it designed to fill?
>>29356234
But i'm saying there is nothing to talk about because the Chinese are nothing but bullshitters and this helicopter could be full of doll heads and spider eggs under the fuselage.
You fucking moron.
>>29356318
Oh god I laughed to hard at this.
>>29356301
Recon. The Comanche would scout enemy airspace and suppress air defenses and high value targets, opening way for Apaches and other assets, also relaying targets through data link.
Modern US doctrine dictates there shouldnt be a need for it due to the layers of aerial elements performing the same function, however, the flexibility that an organic asset like the comanche would provide to the army would be tremendous.
>>29356279
Muh airforce
>>29356249
All that payload and range, think of all the ordnance it could schlep. Maybe you really extend the wings, you could fit a double load of Hellfires, maybe improve flight performance at the same time?
>>29354517
Too bad they only have like 20 of them - that's the problem with Chinese shit.
>Look baka gaijin, awesome military hardware!
>We're not actually building it in significant numbers
>Look look, forget the old model, here's another awesome piece of military hardware!
>Take me serious!!!!
>>29356375
But that's what the OH58D was for...
>>29356430
Yeah well, the Kiowa wasnt particularly good at anything but scooting around crazy rejects who weren't allowed near any actually useful aircraft.
When you have to choose between how many rockets you can put into your launch pod and just strapping a guy with a rifle to the skids in order to get to the AO, you gotta wonder how the fuck did this get procured.
>>29356496
Lel, Apache guy here, this is spot on.
>>29356386
Give it the ability to drop bombs while you're at it
>>29355188
>>29355051
The only helicopter in which wings provide a significant amount of lift is the Hind, and the latest versions have shorter ones since, ironically, large wings interfere with the vertical lift of the rotor, so it couldnt hover with a full load.
>>29356399
20?
Are you retarded?
>>29356681
Maybe, if the USA had bombs for choppers. That's more of a Russian thing, consequence of Hind's dual gunship/transport duties. Western gunships are built to stand off, they'd never have a need to fly over a target, not when there's plenty of fixed wing craft that can bomb from safe altitudes.
>>29356681
Could a twin rotor design like Chinook avert this by mounting the wing at middle of the aircraft, between the rotors?
>>29356159
I prefer hind because she's THICC
>>29357451
Russians really like rockets. So much so that Havoc can carry 40 S-8s or 10 S-13s at the same time as 16 Ataka-V.
Kinda wiimpy with the guns, though. Even with twin 23mm gunpods instead of rockets, it carries less rounds than Apache. 750 rounds is the same as Viper, a gunship almost 1/5th the weight.
>>29356180
The Pakistani are currently trialing the Z-10. And they have an active COIN Ops ongoing against certain Taliban tribes.
So far, the chopper seems to be quite good.
>>29354590
>Superpower
>swastica camo
kekekekek
Could anyone explain to me why the army uses the Apache while the marine corps use the viper? Their performance and roles seem very similar, and both work on carriers as far as I'm aware. Does the USMC pick the viper because it's cheaper and they have a smaller budget?
>>29357843
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>>29357508
Russian 30mm is far longer and heavier than the Apache's, it's actually meant for vehicles instead of prolonged infantry engagements and support. It's an odd discrepancy in doctrine.
>>29357843
The Marines like the Viper because it has commonality with their Hueys and its smaller size makes it better for carrier ops. Plus they would rather have a pure weapons platform rather than what is essentially a helicopter AWACS.
>>29358056
>Helicopter AWACS
fucking kek
>>29357933
I don't really see the need, considering that both weapons can easily score top hits. I feel like the only reason Russia uses their 30mm for aircraft is because 23mm can't cut the mustard.
>>29356681
>>29355188
Thanks for the answers anons, that's pretty nifty. Can someone answer why the wings would interfere with the ability of the aircraft to hover?
>>29358784
Because in hovering, the thrust of the aircraft is going straight down, and the aircraft is stationary. The wings block downward thrust without generating lift.
>>29355315
Why aren't all Apaches equipped with the Longbow Radar?
Is it only certain models that have the technologies built in? Or is it a cost saving issue?
>>29358792
That makes perfect sense, thanks for that.
sup dicklords
>>29358801
All of the Army's Apaches have already been upgraded to the D standard. This picture was most likely taken when they were still transitioning, when a lot Apaches were still in their A configurations.
>>29354590
>light
>combat
>helicopter
>>29358801
The Longbow radar is modular and can be freely moved from one Apache to another, so most likely it was just cheaper to build a few and pass it around to operational craft when they needed it.
>>29358931
>>29358959
That makes a bit more sense. So really all apaches in inventory can accept Longbow, and they probably have enough modules for them all, its just that it's easier to have the modules only on operational aircraft.
>>29358792
>what is induced flow
You're fucking wrong
>>29358931
Those are all Delta models you mongoloid, even the ones without the FCR.
>>29358973
No significant lift then. Christ.
>>29358969
Jesus the misinformation on these boards....there's no reason to equip an FCR if you're not in an mechanized/armor environment.
>>29354590
why am i not suprised it's ugly as fuck
>>29359009
Isn't that basically what was said?
The Apache's can be equipped with the units, it just doesn't happen unless it is needed? What am I missing here.
>>29358847
I love how these look. Probably the ONLY time I prefer Russian equipment to Anglo.
>>29359042
Just trying to get you the right info pal.
>>29359085
I didn't mean that to come across as critical, I just didn't understand what was posted that was incorrect is all.
>>29359104
It's not you, it's the other guy saying stupid shit and misidentifying aircraft.
>>29358847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__BZahm4lfY
