anyone get one of these yet? If so, have you built it yet?
what am i looking at?
>>29322994
80% grenade.
>>29322974
haven't shipped them yet senpai, they made a last minute adjustment
next week
>>29322994
I'm guessing some "ground-up" Glock frame... which makes me wonder, what does this cost OP? Does it cost less to build your glock like this, or is it supposed to be "better" than a regular grenade?
>>29322974
an 80% glock frame.
>>29323017
right now they're selling them for $135. supposedly you save about $100-$200 building it this way.
>>29323029
It ends up about the same actually, don't know how you think you'd save money.
but this one is spooky
Gun building thread?
Gun building thread.
Reposting from QTDNDTOT
>/k/ I'm building a 1911 and want to use parts from Auto Ordnance.
But I'm faced against 5 models that appear to be exactly the same but are different? Can anyone tell me what the letters on the models means?
>>29323029
Last I checked, the barrel, slide, and all the pieces-parts, not to mention your standard 2-3 mags run you about $350 minimum.
I mean, is there somewhere that clears out used Glock parts?
>>29322974
>plastic rear slide rails
>>29323035
Spooky indeed, it is a ghost after all.
I think that's the way it's mostly marketed as
>>29323035
>>29323047
this is just what I heard. I never looked it up, just thought it was interesting.
>>29323043
have to ask, why auto-ordnance?
>>29323035
>how you think you'd save money.
By not buying a standard glock for 500 then spending more to replace parts you dont like.
>>29323048
Ruger would like a word with you,.
>polymer slide rails
>>29323066
because
1.
>poorfag
It's already expensive building a 1911 as it is
2. I want a slide and pieces that will fit together without much filing and hand fitting
>>29322974
No because its fuck ugly. Ill stick to AR lowers
>>29323070
In that light, if you're just going to customize it anyways, I guess you save the trouble of trying to sell all the old parts at a discount.
I don't understand the obsession with making "untraceable" 80% guns, though. Like, we all remember what happened with PSA and their 80% AR's that the ATF then found all the owners of... right? If you buy it online with a debit card, you might as well stamp a number on it and send a picture to the feds.
>>29323099
>not buying online with prepaid cards
>>29323116
>buy pre-paid card
>send to home address
>they'll never know!
Wait, maybe your smart and send it to a friend/family members house.
>ring ring, hello it's ATF we need to stamp a serial on that gun you bought
>"b-but I didn't buy one"
>got your address on the shipping order dude
>"Well, it's anon's gun."
The only sure-fire way to have the untraceable gun is to source all the parts in person, with cash. If it's on the internet, it's traceable.
>>29323148
Pull money at the bank, buy card at gas station, use card on line.
>>29323148
>Not sending it to drop houses
>Not bouncing it through craigslist mules and reship places
>>29323162
And ship to?
>>29323162
Where's the gun going to ship to?
>>29323099
Link to story?
>>29323169
Basic how to?
>>29323169
Wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy a used AR off armslist at this point?
>>29323099
it's a marketing ploy for states like commiefornia.
>>29323095
the "PKZ" is for parkerized finish
the "MA" is for "Massachusetts OK"
I think the "SE" is for the updated "A1" style M1911
the "W" is for wood grips with the U.S. logo
and the "ANN" is for the anniversary model.
>>29323178
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/03/17/despite-restraining-order-atf-raids-ares-armory-over-plastic-parts-n1810321
>>29323071
My dad has one of these except with an aluminum frame and in .45
It is unergonomic as hell for me and I have a hard time cocking the hammer
>>29323179
>>29323178
>find house forsale, ensure it has cheap ass forsale sign not the big wood kind
>ship item to house
>show up day its to be delivered
>park car like 3 streets over
>remove sign
>sit in lawn in a lawn chair with a magazine (the reading kind)
>"Lol sup ups dude nice weather today :DDDD"
>ups guy leaves package
>leave
Or if its a non signature required item you can just ship it there and do a driveby scoop up.
Craigslist mules are more complex of a system but you can pretty much figure it out.
>Wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy a used AR off armslist at this point?
Drops are free, mules spread the cost across the value of the items. So if you ship 20 ar lowers and have to pay $200 in fees to mules than its not too expensive.
>>29323170
>>29323171
have it shipped to a ups store. I don't know if they have any requirements on ID or not though. I guess you could just ask if a gun dealer will accept it for you. I've had shit like mags shipped to my FFL before becuase i didn't want to coming straight to my house due to reasons.
>>29323204
That's EP and Ares. Feds actually haven't done anything to the people who bought them, even if they have the list of who did buy them.
>>29323170
>>29323171
I'd believe that level of government surveillance for a specific target, but not at a catch all level
>>29323200
Holy fuck thank you
>also checked, dubs don't lie
>>29323236
>>29323232
>>29323215
Look, I'm just saying. The amount of time, effort, and money needed to make a truly, completely untraceable AR15 is completely negated by the fact that you can buy a used gun off of someone nearby that's probably going to forget what you look like, let alone what your name is. No bill of sale, and you're home free.
>>29323239
fucking LOL, didn't even see that. Not a problem dude, I wish you the best of luck with your build!
>>29323204
Did they go after the customers?
>>29323283
Initially, I had been led to believe so. However, they seem to have not gone after anyone yet. But, the fact remains, they collected the information and are most likely planning to eventually act upon it.
>>29323318
Really? What are they going to do if I say I sold it?
>>29323354
Demand a bill of sale, give you the runaround. If they're particularly dickish, they might toss your house with a warrant, so I'd hope you actually sold it. Lying to a federal agent and then getting caught never ends well.
>>29323252
You're not wrong.
But some people enjoy the effort involved of building their own. Also not everyone has that option. I think these are a big seller in CA, especially with the 80% ban there on the horizon.
>>29323371
The official word is they did it to see if anyone who bought one was a known felon, which is against ares TOS anyway.
Again, that's what they said. Are they really going to hit up every single online seller of 80s? There's thousands.
>>29323371
Bill of sale for hunk of plastic or aluminum?
are there any metal/alloy framed pistols that use glock mags? all I can find are custom metal framed glocks
>>29323488
In the case of the californians, I can understand. But everwhere else I've lived (Florida, Indiana, and Michigan) it's kind of bullshit, all things considered. I keep forgetting about our coastal friends.
>>29323523
If they're at your door, it's because they're calling it a firearm. So yes, they're going to want to see it.
>>29323558
No. Why would they? Glock mags are fucking garbage.
>>29323558
>custom metal framed glocks
Holy hell why. And I guess there's those MPA Mac10 clones that take Glock mags, but they're just as expensive as an actual glock.
>>29323693
just curious, I've been trying to find a pistol mag that's as universal as the 5.56 STANAG, and not hk expensive (side note, since the USPc mags are limited by the follower bc hk thinks springs wear out, can the follower be shortened to take higher capacity? havent looked into it yet)
I guess I'm looking for pistols by other manufacturers that use beretta m9 mags, or CZ75 mags
>>29323078
>>29323048
It has small metal ones but you have to put them in the frame.
>>29323558
probably not glock mags are thick compared to metal doublestack mags
if you tried a glock mag in a metal gun the frame would be really thick or the metal/grips really thin and weak
>>29323693
You either are great at B8 or full retard.
>>29324105
got me thinking about a welrod-type grip if the mags are that sturdy... super short frame, and just print a mag sleeve
Alright /k/ just consider this for a sec. Yeah it looks gay, yeah its not cheaper that a used glock, and yeah it takes some special tools to make.
BUTT!
If you can not just go buy glock for reasons.... Then its a good alternative, Id personally go with a 1911 cuz surplus parts and StealthArms makes a jig that does not need tools. 1911 is no glock but its still a great pistol.
>>29324173
its not that glock mags are exceptional sturdy youve just got an extra millimeter of plastic enclosing the metal part
its makes it more durable
a grip where you hold the mag directly would only work in a manually operated gun. in a semiauto your uneven pressure holding it would screw up the feed angle and lead to jams
>>29324182
1911's require final fit-and-finish in the pistolsmith level of experience. You'll have to be very, very careful.
>>29324182
I just thought it was a good idea for poorfags who can't afford to get the whole gun at once. they can just buy a piece at a time and eventually build their "glock".
that's what I'm doing with both a LR308 and a AR15.
>>29322974
I'd rather just buy a LEO trade in, sell the parts that I don't want, and customize it from there.
damn, i kinda wanna do this just for shigs. spoopy ghost 357sig sounds like fun.
>>29324228
>uneven pressure
in a rattly low tolerance magwell, for sure, but if the area in the receiver that mates to the magazine is properly fitted, and the hypothetical 3d printed mag/grip sleeve can lock in place to the magwell, it should work i think. It wouldnt make for a drop-free design, you would have to aeperate the magazine by hand, I'm not sure what you mean by 'manually operated'
>extra millimeter of plastic
do you mean the baseplate? what are you referring to? is the magazine lined inside with plastic?
>>29324381
He's talking about the plastic sleeve on the outside of the magazine.
>>29324381
>'manually operated'
bolt action or something
theres always going to be room for a mag to move in a mag well
if it was tight as shit the mag wouldnt drop free it would be a pain in the ass to insert
if it was dirty forget about it
>>29322974
If it's not steel, what's the point?
>>29322974
Would really like to see a video of the millwork thats needed before buying.
>>29323558
You have probably already come across the timberwolf frame yeah? Im pretty sure they are going to star manufacturing full guns
>>29322974
I've been quite tempted to get a few...
Are they still "on sale"?
>>29324417
oh fuck me, I never looked very close at them, just assumed they were black colored metal
>>29324473
>dirty
not if its sealed in a spring-loaded box sleeve grip thing like my mspaint masterpiece
top edges of the green foreskin portion are braced at magwell, then open and lock the magazine assembly into place inside the receiver/magwell, puts the tip of the beni- I mean feed-lips into the va-Chamber
whats anyone think?
>>29323488
It will die before it goes to brown, even then, he'll still veto it like the other "ghost gun ban" that Deleon sent last time
>>29323095
>2. I want a slide and pieces that will fit together without much filing and hand fitting
Then don't build a 1911.
If you use shitty parts then don't bother fitting them you end up with a shitty pistol, and 1911's are literally world famous for being persnickety bitches that have to be built just right.
There's a reason there are so many OEM 1911s from otherwise well-respected companies that are turds. The design just doesn't play nice with "drop in" parts.
>>29323148
>use prepaid card you paid cash for at Walmart
>have a PO box through some place like Fedex or UPS Store, they don't require ID to rent
Literally untraceable
>>29323252
That's no way to outfit a militia.
>>29323742
>holy hell why
Competition guns so you get the Glock reliability without the Glock retarded grip, as well as aftermarket mags that meet USPSA length limits (140/170mm) while still getting better capacity.
>Team Glock's Glocks contain no actual Glock parts
-Nowlin barrel
-somebody's metal frame/Timberwolf polymer frame
-Hatfield slide
-Ghost Inc trigger/bar/striker/sear with gunsmith tuning
-Springco springs
-etc
>>29324282
Not him but that's what the StealthArms jig supposedly takes care of for you, it cuts the rails at precisely the width and depth required to fit the slide
>>29328192
Too bad that there's no standard dimensions for the rail tracks in the slide and the slide will still require extensive fitting.
t. pistolsmith
So for AR Lowers, Does it matter much between 6061 and 7075?
>>29328247
There's like a half ounce difference in weight.
If you're doing anything capable of breaking an aluminum lower both alloys would break, though ostensibly 7075 is stronger.
>>29324653
Or you could read the PDF. http://polymer80.com/assets/images/Documents/Instructions/S150Instruction.pdf
mil rails, drill pin holes, mil shit out of the barrel guard, install locking block, and sand for final fit.
>>29328294
So basically , nothing worth mentioning cause this specific AR is going to be a benchrest monkey gun anways and weight is a non issue
>>29328215
Listen here mister
all's I know is it just werks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE8Yo0iAoMk
>>29328354
Yeah pretty much.
>>29328375
Gonna be sloppier than a Thai hooker. Probably work most of the time but accuracy will suffer.
>>29328409
I'm of the opinion that it's always just better to buy it already built
>>29328424
It certainly can be done right, but there's a lot of fairly expensive specialty tools involved in doing a 1911 right (even from a 100% frame).
It also takes skill, practice, and an eye for actual art.
