MR556 (HK 416) vs SCAR 16
I want a top of the like 5.56 rifle and these two seem to come up, a lot, in conversation. If there is another I'm all ears but I've narrowed it down to these two.
Everybody points to the HK as being the "best of the best" but they seemed to water down the MR. The barrel isn't even chrome lined. I remember watching a show, I think on the Military channel, and they had the 416 on there with a HK representative. He dumped the thing in sand, mud, dirt, dropped it in water, pulled it up fired it, dropped it again, over and over to show how much of a beating the thing would take. I'd hate for that to be sacrificed any in the civilian version.
Both are used by the military. Both are known for being very reliable. I take very good care of my firearms and clean them regularly. It's not like I'll abuse anything but it's always nice to know you have something as insurance just in case of that SHTF scenario.
I'm leaning towards the SCAR but I'm more than happy to hear from anybody who has an MR, or even both rifles, and what their experiences are like.
I want the best of both worlds. I want the AR platform that's tough as nails as an AK47.
What do you say /k/?
>>29321300
Don't bother with the MR that they sell stateside senpai, it's just not worth.
SCARs are fun, but if you're going for 5.56 you don't really gain much over a good AR, even in terms of durability.
Beretta ARX100.
>>29321385
this
>>29321300
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?26421-LMT-MRP-piston-vs-HK-416
Pretty much anything Lewis Machine and tool is worth looking at also. My buddy had a Scar 16 and 17 and I have to admit it was very very good. I just can't justify it as I already have a LWRC. I love my M6, but I can't help feeling that the LMT is just a little bit better for SHTF. I have heard that POF's are over gassed, but Again that was just a rumor.
>>29321372
This, Stay away from A1s. Not because they're bad, but they're overpriced as shit.
My jealousy towards the Europeans has never been stronger. They're getting the A3, with all of the bells and whistles that the 416A5s do, for cheaper, they also get THE CIVVIE G36 GAHD DAYUM
>>29321385
God that thing is fucking hideous
or you could just buy a Daniel Defense/BCM/etc AR and spend the savings on ammo and training. the rifles you mention are memes.
>>29321385
Are those things comfortable to hold?
>>29321300
To me if I didn't want to get or build another standard AR, which I'm on the fence about mainly due to the 2 is 1, 1 is none mindset with Hillary probably winning the election, and I wanted another 5.56 rifle it'd be between the Sig MCX, the SCAR 16, or an AUG A3.
>>29321300
The AR-15 already has an internal piston. There's no point in going to an inferior tappet design.
>>29321385
Is the trigger fixed yet?
>>29321680
what do you mean?
>>29321502
not bad, they feel a tad bit bulky and slightly awkward, but you get use to it pretty quick.
>>29321488
I know, but they work rather well.
>>29321300
>civilian HK rifles
This is such a troll by HK, doesnt even come in 11"
>>29321372
I guess you dont consider bolt life apart of durability.
>>29321975
bolt life? Kinda sounds like you're reaching for something to complain about. You really see yourself putting ten's of thousands of rounds through the rifle? I'm honestly asking. If you foresee yourself putting so many rounds through your rifle in a year to the point you have to have it sent in for a 30level inspection, then then by all means. BUT, a standard M4 carbine(before all the recent improvements) had a minimum service life of 40k rnds. every 10k we sent them out to get inspected which was a more thorough PM and rodding the barrel to ensure it was still straight. hell, I've been issued rifles that were used in the first gulf war and still worked great.
>>29322064
What is a "30level inspection"
>>29322064
Bolt lugs on AR-15's can and do shear at 5-10k round mark.
>>29322080
10 level, individual preventive maintenance and checks.
20 level, company armorer inspection and repair/local QUALIFIED gunsmith.
30 level, brigade weapons repair specialist/weapon manufacturer or equivalent.
>>29322096
Don't buy shitty parts then. I've never seen this.
>>29321495
Underated infor
>>29321300
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/447078_FN_products_handle_stress_VERY_well.html&page=1
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/360169_What_Parts_Break_in_a_Carbine_Course_____Thread_summaries_are_on_pages_48_49.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/160140_High_round_count_pistols__100_000___observations.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159106_AK_abuse__home_built_version_update_on_Page_6_.html
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html&page=24
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1790052_High_round_count_optics__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_handled_at_our_range.html
A little reading for you....
Guy owns something like the biggest range in Las Vegas, and has over half a million customers a year.
Before I read these threads, I woulda picked the HK416, but now I am leaning towards the SCAR16. However, for what it is, I think the SCAR16 is useless, and a KAC SR-15 would be the best due to their complete bolt head and barrel extension redesign.
Pending that, and going with a Standard Milspec AR15, I would say LMT is tops, along side Colt. FN15A4 is not as good as is expected.
But then again, I bet youre squid, and this is another one of your 'FN da bessssss' troll threads.
>>29322096
Pretty sure that's usually due to not well made bolts, senpai.
>>29322153
>>29322187
>colt
>shitty parts
>>29322279
LOL. never seen or had a problem with this. and we shot the ever loving fuck out of our M4's and M16's. the only thing I EVER saw fail, was primarily gas tubes, and then the springs in the trigger assembly. the latter was because idiots were using shaving cream to clean the FCG. that shit eats away the springs. Also, we had FNH USA made rifles.
>>29322171
You forgot this one:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look
A great read on what deliberate thought went into designing the SCAR's internal mechanisms and how they are a marked improvement over the AR in terms of overall durability and reliability.
>>29322356
Thats from SOC, where they mag dump time and time again with SOCOM profile barrels.
But he isnt gonna tell you that.......
>>29322369
>On milder schedules, nearly all bolts will show initial cracking at 6,000 to 10,000 rounds
>thinking barrel profile affects bolt life
>>29322356
>FNH USA made rifles
FNH USA is the commercial marketing subsidiary and domestic importer of FN Herstal firearms. In other words, they don't make anything. FN Manufacturing is the supplier of US military contracted weapons.
>>29322361
>A great read on what deliberate thought went into designing the SCAR
FN just ripped off Stoner's AR10 and called it their own. Just like they poisoned JMB so they wouldnt have to pay him royalties when he came to visit their plant to see how the Hi-Power production line was going.
FN has had only 2 original designs, the FiveseveN and P90. Everything else is plagiarism and intellectual theft.
And its a fuckin disgrace that they market the FN15A4 as 'the exact same rifle the US mil uses' when they -by law- cannot use the TDP info they got when they won the contract to sell to other parties other than USmil.
The only info they will tell you is that the mil guns and civvy sales are made on two completely separate lines in two separate sections of their bigass square mile facility.
Look at all these broken SCAR bolts at Battlefield Vegas, oh wait....
>>29322403
>SCAR
>a ripped off Stoner AR10
Nigger are you on crack?
>>29322387
>>thinking barrel profile affects bolt life
>not knowing different gas types(rifle,midlength,carbine,pistol) cause accelerated wear on parts
Looks like a toss up between the two.
>>29322415
AR18. typo
>>29322279
People often forget it was these failings of the M4 that prompted SOCOM to initiate the SCAR solicitation in the first place.
>>29322403
>And its a fuckin disgrace that they market the FN15A4 as 'the exact same rifle the US mil uses' when they -by law- cannot use the TDP info they got when they won the contract to sell to other parties other than USmil.
I've never seen this in advertisements.
>>29322406
>Rekt
Looks like a number of HK 416 / MR556 bolts went down too.
>>29322428
If you had said G-36 you would have been at least half way right. There are more differences between the SCAR and AR-18 than there are similarities. It's a derivative of that concept for sure, but a clone it is not.
>>29322416
>gas systems are a function of the profile of a barrel
>thinking SOCOM was exclusively using Mk 18 on and before 2006, the time this report was made.
Spotted the noguns
>>29322452
My bad, those are g36 bolts.
They look near the same except the cam pin hole is moved rearward on the G36.
>>29322458
Tell me these are not a direct rip off of each other... All they did was add a arm for the SSP to hit.
They even went the simpler route and instead of figuring out the correct gas port size, they just strapped a Shortstroke piston with bleedoff into the gas block.
>>29322488
>what are CQB-R's?
>>29322488
socom gas ports are larger than standard 14.5 barrels you dumb fuck. Go pretend to know something in the /arg/ thread you dumbfuck, grown men are talking here.
>>29322427
cool graph, i like how its useless without a source
>>29322502
Well let's see...
One rides on rails inside receiver, uses a single recoil spring, has an elongated cam path to increase dwell time and relies on a massive bolt carrier that interfaces directly with the tappet piston to slow cyclic rate and provide momentum for better feeding reliability.
The other rides on guide rods from its dual return spring design and relies on a more complex system of spring loaded linkages connecting it to the gas piston. It also lacks several of the design improvements described previously.
Regarding gas port size, it's apparent you have no idea how the SCAR's gas block actually functions...
>>29322502
You like running your mouth like you know something
>>29322504
>The CQBR uses a 1:7 in (178 mm) twist M4A1 barrel that has been modified in length to 10.3 in (262 mm).
>>29322514
>gas ports
Gas ports are not a function of a barrel's profile, desu senpai. I am aware of the 2mm difference in gas port size.
>>29322649
>Gas ports are not a function of a barrel's profile
>yet the SOCOM profile has a enlarged gas port, but dat dunt count!
Good to know you just searched that on joogle. go be retarded elsewhere
>>29322668
Allow me to explain some basics to you.
The red box indicates the differences in barrel profiles between M4 and M4A1 is indicated in the red boxes. The Mk 18 mod 0 also shares the same barrel profile as found on the M4A1. The yellow box indicates the gas port area. The M4A1 and M4 both have the same gas port size and gas system. The Mk 18 mod 0 has an enlarged gas port. The length of the gas system is the same on all three carbines, as indicated by the blue lines, specifically they are referred to as a carbine length gas system as opposed to mid-length, pistol, or rifle length gas systems.
I hope this illustrates some of the confusing differences between gas port, gas system, and barrel profile!
>>29322810
To further my point one can have a "SOCOM" barrel, as opposed to a M4 or "government" profile on their AR-15 carbine barrel without necessarily having an enlarged gas port as found on the Mk 18 mod 0.
>>29321495
>don't buy thes meme rifles
>suggests BCM, Daniel Defense
Top kek the ironing
>>29322617
Bravo good sir!
IIRC, the gas control screws that FN uses are the same ones Browning uses.
>>29322171
80,000-100,000 round count for WASR's I'm impressed.
