How useful are these things for pre-emptive strikes on nuclear forces?
If the US wanted to hit all the Pakistani launchers and stockpiles before the pakis can launch them, would they be able to do it with a synchronised B2 strike?
>>29317033
Pakistan? I wouldn't be surprused.
250 tomahawks fired by a SSGN would probably be better
>>29317080
SSGN only holds 154...
>>29317101
One and a half SSGNs
>>29317033
Pretty useful.
And yes they could, with sufficient intel and time.
>>29317080
Iraq's air defense could detect Tomahawks and even shot down a few. Pakistan could too, and it's an over hour's flight time from the coast to Sargodha.
>>29317033
You'd need some of those speed'o'sound sonic missiles.
>>29317125
But wouldn't someone spot the shape? What about all the airliners in the sky whose pilots could spot it? Would the B-2 definitely slip past all the radars?
>>29317433
You attack at night.
>>29317489
What if someone is stargazing and they see it in their telescope?
>>29317497
Then they're the luckiest son of a bitch alive.
>>29317497
You'd see nothing but some stars get briefly obscured and the incident would completely indistinguishable from an airliner passing overhead.
It's just my opinion, but it's kinda an old plane.
Odds are any modern first rate military would have a decent chance against it because they would have prepared.
>>29317599
>Old
>1990s airframe
>constantly updated tech
Why do non aviation enthusiasts think this is like graphics cards
>>29317497
Quite simply they wouldn't, the odds of picking out the tiny profile of a B2 at 50,000 feet at night in the tiny little circle of sky a telescope can look it at at random is so small as to be negligible
and even if you did it's unlikely the split second of a dark shape covering up some stars before it's gone would even register as a plane much less a B2.
>>29317639
if they're were looking at the moon through a lower zoom scope it would be like batman tho
>>29317599
The airframes aren't even twenty years old with minimal flight time and subsystems that are upgraded every single time tech advances. A lot of commercial airliners keep flying for twenty, thirty, or even forty years without a single upgrade.
>>29317599
>Pakistan
>Modern first rate military
Pick one.
>>29317497
The paint on those things doesn't reflect light very well, so the most they'd see even if they saw it would be a black shape.
>>29317525
It would be easy to tell another plane from a b2 like that. B2 wouldn't have the red and green lights on
>>29317942
but it wouldn't be reflection it would be occlusion
>>29317033
>If the US wanted to hit all the Pakistani launchers and stockpiles before the pakis can launch them, would they be able to do it with a synchronised B2 strike?
No, we would do it with India. India would be more than happy to nuke Pakistan. And the US wouldn't get any of the blame or would at least have plausible deniability.
>>29318448
That can't possibly be India, they have no need for sewage pipes.
>>29318608
Who said it was a sewage pipe?
I'm pretty sure it's their fresh water supply.
Also, you can see by what she is wearing, and the slum shanties literally built in a dump, that it is india.
Also, note the irony of her walking on a water main in order to go get water which she has to carry in plastic containers.
>>29318448
India wouldn't nuke Pakistan. They'd get everyone to shit on one big pile and then tip it over in the direction of Pakistan.
>>29317497
They'd think it's a UFO.
>>29319002
Interesting idea... Shit Tipped InterContinental Ballistic Missiles...
Well, it would certainly give new meaning to ICBMs...
>>29317497
>Pakistani man luckily spots a B-2 at night
>Calls cops
>"I saw an American stealth bomber fly over my house! Inshallah you must tell the Prime Minister and Chief of Army Staff immediately!"
>Abdullah argues with the dispatcher for the next 15 minutes
>A random blackout happens and the call is lost because Pakistan
>Dispatcher walks outside and starts the dispatch center's emergency generator for the 12th time that week
>On the way back inside he wonders if Abdullah's sighting might actually be legit
>Dispatcher informs his superior about the call
>Captain tells the dispatcher to get back to the phone because there will probably be more calls after the blackout ends
>B-2 reaches its target before the blackout even ends
>When the power comes back online the telephone network is overwhelmed by the massive number of reports of the airstrike rolling in
>By the time they're able to actually do anything about it the B-2 has long since departed Paki airspace and is on its way back to Guam
>>29317617
>>29317700
Fuck, I was thinking about the B1
>>29317900
I was generalizing
>>29319584
topkek
>>29317033
>How useful are these things for pre-emptive strikes on nuclear forces?
Not very.
>>29317033
>If the US wanted to hit all the Pakistani launchers and stockpiles before the pakis can launch them, would they be able to do it with a synchronised B2 strike?
>>29317125
lolnope. not outside of Clancyverse, and even with perfect intel all 21 B2s can only take out a fraction of the Pakistani warhead stockpile at best. If they took a page or two from the Chinese (which they very well could, given how huge Chinese role is in the Pakistani nuke program, no matter how they deny it) the nuke warheads would be stored in sprawling underground tunnel complexes, ready to be moved out for launch or transferred to other locations in the complex at a moment's notice.
Highly unlikely 42 bunker busters strike home everytime and even then you have like 8 or 18 warheads left.
>>29317080
>250 tomahawks fired by a SSGN would probably be better
You'll only get those in the surface, anything underground is safe. Plus if they happen to move you are fucked. Even if the tomahawks are sporting seekers of their own the flight times are long enough from detection(which should happen as soon as it crosses a populized area, or more likely radar nets) that you can have the launchers drive miles away into hidden areas like camouflage nets or just under an overpass.
>>29320022
Thats a big 'if'.
No one has suggested that the Pakistanis have a massive underground system for weapons storage.
Their weapons are stored at a handfull of locations, as are their nuclear capable systems. The B-2's would hit a combination of command and control and weapons, with each aircraft having multiple targets one after the other, all timed to take advantage of the disruption of the command and control systems.
>>29320133
How about for a US strike on DPRK weapons?
>>29320022
The fact that you don't know the current number of B2s speaks volumes to your lack of knowledge and lack of "expertise" on this subject.
>>29320133
>No one has suggested that the Pakistanis have a massive underground system for weapons storage.
Certainly nothing like the scale of China's, but that just means its much easier to hide it.
>Their weapons are stored at a handfull of locations, as are their nuclear capable systems. The B-2's would hit a combination of command and control and weapons, with each aircraft having multiple targets one after the other, all timed to take advantage of the disruption of the command and control systems.
And you are certain of this how?
>>29320155
>The fact that you don't know the current number of B2s speaks volumes to your lack of knowledge and lack of "expertise" on this subject.
Fuck you. don't remind me 1 crashed, Spirit of Kansas lives on forever.
>>29320179
From what is publicly known about the Pakistani nuclear weapons infrastructure.
There is no reason or evidence that the open information about the program is incorrect.
There is no point to move into the arena of 'if'. Once we go there, whats the point? After all, what 'if' the US already snuck into Pakistan and placed remote charges on every Pakistani nuclear weapon?
What if the US actually has 100 B-2s they keep hidden under Denver International?
>>29320275
Actually, we have 100 B-3s under Denver International.
They are just pretending that they aren't already made.
intercontinental bombers are good for keeping people on their toes.
during the chemical weapons showdown with Assad a few years ago, the USAF was flying B52s straight from the US to the middle of the mediterrenian, turning them around and coming back home.
You can imagine how unsettleling it must be for some guy in charge of the defense of a country if he has to not only content with the US Navy off their coast but cruise missiles raining down on you from the sky without warning.
>>29317497
They think its a UFO, or just a plane. Who the hell thinks "stealth bomber" every time they see a shadow
>>29322489
>content
contend
>>29320022
>the nuke warheads would be stored in sprawling underground tunnel complexes
Pakistani nukes are stored in trucks that occasionally move around via ordinary roads. That you don't already know this suggests you have no business participating in this discussion.
