Daily reminder that the M4 Carbine is the best service rifle in the world.
>>29298567
Nah
>>29298567
Are there people that didn't know?
>>29298567
Before I joined I always considered ARs and by extensions M4s to be outdated and unreliable. After 3 years of using old M16s and seeing the toy-like M4 being carried around I joined a new unit and got one of my own. Shit was tight and light. That machine never once jammed on me, even when I would burst hundreds of blanks through it.
>>29298567
Daily fucking reminder that you're absolutely right.
Nope. Cucked by Belgium.
>>29298753
Scar-h was the only one kept.
Scar
mpt 76
m416
what are modern firearms?
>>29298567
What unit is training in the picture? Why are they all using red dots and magnifiers?
>>29298775
>Smells like bait but I'll bite
>Magical boot with reciprocating bullshit
>Turkish version of Heckler&Cucks
>MFW you couldn't spell HK416 right
2/10
>>29298803
>haters love to hate FN
>yeah it is, still better than US m4
>not knowing it's a part mean-spirited colloquial name because both the hk 416 was initially named the HK M4 and because it's clearly a direct knockoff with minimal improvements
>still being so US centric that those minimal improvements are negatives in your mind
>>29298567
>Carbine
>Rifle
The Colt C8 is better due to the cold hammer-forged heavy barrel.
FN built M4A1s also have heavy chf barrels
>>29298586
Fucking this
>>29298803
>>Magical boot with reciprocating bullshit
Not on the new mil version :)
>>29298567
The M4 is a good service rifle that could be made great with some simple, incremental product improvement.
>As bolts wear down replace them with an improved version like the LMT enhanced
>As barrels get shot out replace them with slightly wider non M203 cut barrels, replace sights with flip up fronts
>As rails get trashed replace them with free floating guards
>As charging handles get chewed up replace them with an ambi model
>Field ammunition that is worth a fuck like Mk. 262
Right there is a path to the best service rifle you can find.
>>29298778
I believe these are Marine Raiders.
>>29299042
>Every single C8 has a heavy CHF barrel
Its not a standard feature on all M4's making your argument is invalid.
>>29298567
I already know. So does based Ian.
Army: the way we fight is changing,
we need a new gun. We have done some research, lots of research in fact and this is our short list.
Pentagon: ok, write up what you want and we will do the science thing and the testing thing.
USMC: we want to have a say.
Pentagon: nope. You get cast offs like always.
USAF: What colours will it come in?
Army: this is what we want, reliable, rugged, accurate, easy to use and adaptable. In that order.
Pentagon: we reserve the right to add cheep at the top.
Army: grumble grumble.
Pentagon: here it is.
Army: wait, don't we get a say in what you buy us?
Pentagon: we already signed the contract for five hundred thousand of them and well there is this senator that we owed a favour to and than Colt has this legal sword of Damocles hanging over us from the last contract fuck up.
Army: this is the same rifle as we took to Viet nam. The rifle keeps jamming, brakes when you look at it wrong and can't hit a man at three hundred yards. It was not even on the short list.
Pentagon: but we are getting five of these for the price of four of those rifles that you had on your short list.
Army: grumble.
USAF: black is too threatening.
USMC: yo bob, get all the old rifles from the army and recondition them.
Pentagon: um, guys.
USAF: I resent being called a guy
Pentagon: that sight you wanted, well it turns out that we did not do the science and testing thing properly. Sorry, spent so much money on dinners for Colt reps that we did not have enough to pay a decent contractor to test the sights.
Army: oh, great. Now what do we do?
USMC:We don't use that sight anyway.
USAF: you mean the sight may hurt some one?
Pentagon: no, no, it is just that the sight is not waterproof.
Army: oh goody. This is just so good.
Pentagon: stop complaining. You have a new rifle. You have a new sight.
Army: The rifle is a carbine. And it's shit. The sight is just as bad and you are sending us back to Afghanistan.
>>29298567
The M4 is shit and you know it.
>>29299192
Somebody make this into Branchballs, go
>>29299192
Beautiful
>>29298586
Is that the ak 5 c or d or something?
>>29299025
>Posts 416's
>>29298567
let me rephrase that claim. dust and sand and will brick the m4 like us soldier's experience in middle east. and ak 47 is no doubt better but not the best.
>>29298567
Probably one of the best for the value.
>>29299192
For future generations of /k/ommando's
>>29299801
no thank you, take it back pls
>>29298567
God I love being white. We are the best gentleman in town
>>29299386
Dude what?
That's a Sig rifle.
>>29298567
Daly reminder that only one service rifle in the world has muzzle brake. Ak-74. Only Ak-74 can be effectively utilised with automatic fire. This is why it is called avtomat. All other so-called assault rifles are effectively semi-automatic carbines when not employed from bipod.
>has carbine in the name
>people still insist on calling it a rifle
>>29298753
>>29298803
Yes during the "battle for new York" great was it thirst for blood
>>29298693
That's impressive, I've heard blanks are dirty as fuck
>>29299946
To live and die in LA
>>29298753
>heavy as fuck fish gun with reciprocating bolt, where you put your off hand
whats with eurocucks and fishguns? And placing reciprocating bolt handles in the worst possible areas?
>>29298775
>built on older designs
nigger ols.
>>29299970
>SCAR
>heavy
AR-15 with same features (rails, stock) weighs the same if not heavier.
>>29299192
>USMC
>cast offs like always
>being the first ones to adopt the M16A2/A4
>being the first to adopt CADPATs concept
>Yankee and Zulu upgrades for the Huey and Cobra
>>29300011
>Picking literally one of the heaviest 16" DI setups out there for this comparion.
laughingsluts.jpg
Colt lists their M4 at 6.11lbs with their obnoxious carry handle.
>>29298567
The M16 is the best.
The M4 is mediocre unless converted to .300BLK, in which case it becomes great.
>>29300011
That one seems to have much heavier barrel profile than SCAR.
>>29298567
duh
>>29299072
but that requires intelligent thought every time a rifle goes in for maintenance.
no way in hell that would ever happen with something government funded.
>>29298586
>>29298753
I do not know much about either the Sig 550 or the SCAR, other than that they both shoot under 2 moa, which is plenty for a service rifle.
Does zeroing with the handgaurds on sandbags fuck up the POI as much as the AR? Because that shit is annoying as hell.
>>29298775
SCAR is really good, but way overpriced.
The 416 is also overpriced, but does nothing an M16A2 or C7A1 doesn't do for much cheaper.
>>29299789
Dust and sand isn't as big of a problem as you think, the AR is very well enclosed.
>>29299953
You can run an AR silly filthy if you grease/lube the internals like fuck.
>>29299437
>posts C8s not 416
>>29300156
I heard that was only an issue with the plastic handguards and not the free float ones. But then again, it stands to reason that zeroing on a sandbag would change your POI for any weapon cause each shot would deform the sand.
>>29298567
Someone here clearly never used a full barreled micr tavor
>>29300317
Any non-floated AR handguard will exhibit POI shifts from the sling or a rest, barring a stupidly thick barrel. But barring an SPR or the like, that's every single M4/M16 in use unless the military is letting its armorers remove delta rings.
With any free floated rifle, if the sand rest deformed enough to alter your POI, then your POA would shift to match as well.
>>29299801
Saved
>29300337
I thought M4s used KAC free float handguards now... Also that was sort of my suspicion, that the POA would shift.
>>29300450
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since those require swapping out the front sight and the barrel but, I think those are only on the SPR and SAM-R.
>>29300474
Speaking of the SAM-R, any reason why the Luepold CQ-B is roughly 2x the price of other 1-4x when it only offers 1-3x?
>>29300474
I've seen plenty of them with the gas block sight though, I mean just the standard M4A1 with the 9 inch rail.
>>29299823
yea, well the standard issue M4 isn't full auto anyways.
>>29299801
>>29299192
>can't hit a man at 300 yards
>implying
>>29299801
That's pasta you tit.
>>29300069
What?
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/LE6940-Series
Throw SOPMOD stock here (+0.3 lbs) and you will get 7.1 lbs. Entire 0.15 lbs lighter.
>i don't want SOPMOD
Ok any folding stock with adjustable cheek height you choose :^)
>>29299806
/pol/ please go and stay go
H&K 416
>>29300603
>The LE6940 is an M4
I'm going to correct you yet again to show how not baited I am.
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt-M4-Carbine
>>29301058
>no rails
>14.5''
>>29301058
>all dat KAC
hnnng
>>29300337
The only time I had an AR in the army that wasn't free floated was in basic
>M4
>best anything
>>29299198
It's OK
just outdated
>>29298914
>improvements
>carrier tilt
Pick one.
>>29299025
the C8 is made by diemaco not colt fag
>>29298567
I wouldn't say "best", but rather "optimal".
Better guns already exist: the scar. Some fanboys will even claim such title for the mini (or micro?) tavor.
And still, the m4 will retain is position due to price/performance, universally favored design, available quantity and extensive after market.
The reason the US army (and others as well) stick to it, is purely a logistical one.
>>29301766
>barrels blowing out
See that discoloration anon? That means it was probably red hot when it blew...imagine that
Please
>>29301925
>MFW that's probably so heavy he can't shoulder it
>>29299870
Carbines are a subset of rifles, dipshit.
>>29298567
I wouldn't know. We were still using the m16a2 when I got out, newfriend.
>>29299192
>USAF
>I resent being called a guy
All of my keks
>>29301841
Colt Canada :^)
>>29300450
M4s still use the two piece KAC rail
>>29299970
>heavy
>>29298567
Emphasis on the "M4" part. Generic civilian carbine AR need not apply
>tfw your country is so dirt poor that you're issued with pariah-tier imitation just because it's cheaper than the real deal
>>29302840
What? US army also use Remington R4, flipanon. Be grateful
op you are damn right. anyone who disagrees is a civi shooting range rat who doesn't understand the beautiful practicality of it. Ive never had one jam on me and I've beat them the fuck up on deployment regularly.
>>29299956
>pass me the controller bro
>>29301841
Colt Canada is Diemaco
>>29302840
They won a US contract before being smacked down in a legal battle. They're fine. It's way easier to make an AR-15 that runs correctly than an AK-47.
>>29298775
all heavier, one is turkshit, one has reciprocating bullshit, one fucks up the buffer tube.
>>29298914
>colloquial name
no faggot, you just fucked up and spelt it wrong
>>29299192
>all these implications about the m4
>implying the eotech is the standard issue optic
>impyling aimpoint comp m4s and acogs aren't bomb proof.
>>29300156
that literally does not happen to any fucking degree. that's pog bullshit to my excuses for failing the qualifications. the handguards do not create a difference inside the effective range
>>29300505
that's a 7 inch rail, and that isn't free floated
Are those marine raiders in the picture?
>>29300505
What light is that? Looks like an old surefire or something in a plastic holder?
>>29301058
>Preventing your baby from electrocuting itself
>>29298586
>heavier
>more recoil
>more reliable in theory
Sure, that's better, whatever.
To be fair though, the M4 is a disgusting abortion.
They should make an M4a2 with an aluminum free float modular rail, low profile lightweight gas block, and flip down front and rear sights.
Or at least just a free float quadrail and flip down sights if nothing else.
>>29300632
But should pol pass go?
>>29298567
>mfw no one mentioned FAMAS G2
