Was this the best overall submachine gun of World War 2?
PPS-43.
The Owen smg.
>>29273434
Honestly this or the Suomi M31
ppsh 43 or grease gun
if anything the grease gun was the only one not immediately obsolete after the war. america continued using it it until the 90s. flipinos still use it but they are poor and cant really replace it with anything.
>>29273355
Fuck no! It was a steaming pile of shit. It looks sexy though and I'd love to have one.
>>29273355
Beretta 38.
>>29273523
Would you like to know why America continued to use until the 90's
Because it was issued to guys who didn't really need a gun but had to be issued one. My dad was a Huey pilot in Vietnam and he was issued one as well. He told me he could fire it once and let off the trigger and it would just finish out the mag on its own.
>>29273581
Your dad sounds like a liar.
>>29273595
fuck you don't you ever talk about my dad like that you piece of shit he died for your freedom
>>29273595
Kek. His was probably built in the 40's and had well over 10,000 rounds through it I'm sure. I have no idea seeing a sear or bolt stop wear out on a gun made as a cheap alternative to something else, especially 25+ years after it was made
>not the ANVIL OF AMERICA
Seriously, how the fuck does something this compact weigh ten pounds empty?
>>29273678
always wondered how the fuck you were supposed to properly aim down the sights with that stock
>>29273704
You basically just hold your head straight up.
>>29273704
>properly aim
It's a Thompson
>>29273650
Now that's some funny shit. Thanks m8
>>29273581
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
>>29273760
The head part looks pretty comfy desu
>>29273523
I used to work with someone that was a medic during the Gulf War.
He was in NatGuard armor unit with M60 still. All he had was a M9. While walking through the motorpool, he says a tank crewman calls him over. The tanker says if his pistol was all he had. He says yes. So the tanker disappears in the tank for a minute. Comes back up with a grease gun and dozen full mags. Tanker gives him the grease gun and ammo.
>>29273355
Can't wait for the new ones. Any new info on them?
>>29273386
>>29273434
Either of these. Never shot an Owen but it's on my bucket list.
I'd also add the UD-42.
Obviously the handheld BRRRRTTTT-41 PPsH.
Germans loved using captured ones, and soviets outfitted entire infantry divisions with them. So much firepower from a group of infantry that it lead to the germans introducing the assault rifle. It's basically the Mosin-Nagant or AK47 of the SMG world.
>>29273921
>the LoP on that fucking stock
It's worse than a Mosin, holy shit.
>>29273959
I do believe it's been cut; usually it's not that short. Weird.
>>29273921
Holy shit the maymays!
>>29273386
> drop it
> slamfire and kill your buddies
Go away smelly slavaboo
slavs had invaded this thread with their peepeeshit trash
>>29273538
This.
>>29273704
I've held one, and it's the MOST UNCOMFORTABLE STOCK I'VE EVER SHOULDERED.
It's so bad, I consider almost unusable.
>>29273959
>>29274007
It's definitely been cut.
Also seconded, best SMG easily.
>>29274159
>peepeeshit
Prove it's trash
>>29274007
>they probably gave it to a kid lol
>>29274174
>>29273538
These guys get it.
>>29273434
>>29273460
It's not the M50 or M1928.
>F3
>"Sten"
>no results found
the FUCK
>>29275614
because it's not the best
it was cheap and easy to make, but at the end of the day it was still made out of spare plumbing
>>29273678
Milled from a solid block of steel.
its me
>>29273678
I have a thompson and they're fucking great
M3 grease gun
>>29273355
Thompson by far. If only because they were so ridiculously overbuilt they could take an incredible amount of punishment.
>>29275666
Checked
>>29273678
the receiver is literally a 2"x3"x16" block of tool steel with a groove cut out of it.
>>29273704
>properly aim down the sights
literally only effective to 50 yds. If you need sights, you aint doin it right.
>>29273355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFdhAK5c7Q
>>29275672
They're also super easy to clean
>>29275656
>spending $5000 on a semiautomatic 9mm carbine when you could get a top-of-the line AR instead
>>29273386
This.
Best overall by far.
>>29273537
The PPsh-41 was used by many eastern block countries up until the AKM was produced in large quantities during the 1960s. See DDR troops during Berlin Wall crisis.
>>29275695
>9mm
*45 acp
>>29275709
You act like they had a choice lmao
My vote goes to the KP-31
>>29275737
>Boat anchor weight
>fragile wooden stock
>long expensive production time.
>fixed stock
>full rifle sights
lrn2subgun
>light
>compact
>cheap and fast to produce
>realistic sights
>tough folding stock
>>29273921
>>29274230
>>29275709
Please tell me how the T34 was the best tank of WW2
>>29275775
>>29275737
Only one of these guns has a stock that can beat someone to death, shill harder russaboo.
>>29273650
>I'm Russian
Your pappy can suck my dick
>>29275687
jesus Ian is a dirty wehraboo
I feel like the M3 only lasted as long as it did because it never had a official replacement in the TO&E. I say this because other weapons that supplemented it like the M2 Carbine were fazed out entirely due to being obsolete in the infantry role, but left a gap that needed to be filled in the PDW role. My guess is that military planners were simply lazy.
>>29275775
Is that that polish one with the name that's all consonants? Poland does everything better than Russia, guns, tanks, food, big titties, everything.
>>29275648
Not a sub machine gun
That's a machine gun
>>29275737
As nice as they are,
God damn they are heavy.
Especially with a full drum.
>>29275775
bitch you belong in the abortion clinic's plastic waste bag going to the local homeless soup kitchen to be used as 'Meat By-product' in tonights Chili Stew.
>>29275775
>responsible for hordes of dead russians
Its top of the line in my book
>>29275695
>spending $5000 on a semiautomatic 9mm carbine when you could get a top-of-the line AR instead
>"durrr why have A when B is better"
Worst attitude ive ever heard, shits comfy and a piece of history
>>29275852
not gonna lie I lost track of where that was going halfway through but you sure seem mad
>>29275804
I could beat you to death with any part of a pps 43.
theyre sturdy as fuck.
Besides all youd have to do to beat someone to death with a kp 31 is drop it on them.
>>29275827
lol sad to say youre right those polaks really are better at everything.
>>29275852
I feed on your asspain
>>29275854
kay
>>29275817
>>29273538
Two triggers?
>>29275827
>tfw pollack
>this triggers the vatnik
Thats enough out of you, stop thinking about them because that shitheap is a literally who country
>>29275883
One for semi, one for full
>>29275883
One for semi auto, yank both for full fun action.
>>29275871
>Besides all youd have to do to beat someone to death with a kp 31 is drop it on them.
is this before or after the russian gets his jaw broken by a finn
>>29275922
no idea why youre trying to make this finns vs russians
finns are just better people
russians are literally the least white white people they generall suck ass
but the pps 43 is better than the kp 31 trying to say its not is just stupid
>>29275695
It was $15,000 and it's a full auto, bitch
>>29275737
Good choice for individual soldier, but poor choice for a nation. Too expensive & slow to manufacture and heavy. Hence does not that well in "best overall" competition.
Best overall: PPS-43 - reliable, easy to use & maintain, compact, light, very easy to manufacture and yet about as cheap as Sten.
>>29273921
>So much firepower...
Assuming that the drum mags would have really worked reliably - they did not, due to which the Soviets introduced freakishly long 35-round box-mag, which one cannot load to full capacity without special tool.
Also - heavier, more expensive & more complicated (milled receiver etc) to manufacture than PPS-43.
>>29275614
>>29275625
The Sten wasn't even the best spare plumbing SMG
>>29273818
Uh, wouldn't he get into trouble for that? Or was the Army more lax in the early 90's?
>>29275883
>Gee Bill
>>29275695
most modern weapons are bland looking and have no aesthetic value whatsoever.
>>29276067
I don't know how it was in the Gulf, but there's a lot of shit that's "lost", maybe "destroyed", looking for a good home where it can do some good. It doesn't strain my disbelief for a second that there'd be a grease gun for a man who needed it somewhere.
>>29275792
it had a good sloped armor and was cheap to produce
>>29274370
>that samurai vest
Saw them at Sarco. Are they worth it?
>>29276125
Reliabilty, ergonomics, and maintenance were utter shit.
The weight of the Thompson makes it much more controllable at full auto and plus muh forty five very stronk
>>29275792
adequate versus common German armor (Panzer IIIs and IVs, as well as Stugs)
cheap, disposable, perfect for untrained crews - 85mm gun upgrade renders Germans tanks mentioned inferior, not to mention 85s could shit on Tigers
I don't know why there are so much banters against slavshits during ww2.
>get your country invaded
>krauts steamrolled russian plains
>factories destroyed, millions of lives lost
>have inexperienced soldiers at your disposal
>in the end managed to get berlin after some years
>>29273355
I rather like the M3, if it weren't for the issues with the magazines, I'd say it was the best SMG of WWII. It was cheap and easy to produce, the cyclic rate was nice and low, and the .45 ACP lends itself to good terminal ballistics with ball ammunition.
M/45, Made late in the war and never really saw action in ww2 but goddamn they were well-made.
>>29275957
>full retard Tommy
noice anon
>>29275614
How come that sten has the clip pointed down
>>29276429
The T-34 was a piece of shit. But quantity has a quality all its own.
Owen machine gun, Australian design so naturally the magazine had to be placed upside down to feed properly
In testing, it beat out the thompson and sten in reliability, cost, and ease of manufacture.
Gramps had one in Vietnam, said it was fun as fuck
>>29275614
nice german sten, brah
>>29273795
Delete this.
>>29276244
Reliability and maintenance were of the same if not better than a tiger
>>29273581
Huey pilots were notorious liars and cowards. Many good soldiers died alone on the ground waiting for their ride while the pilots were parked in the city chasing Vietnamese whores.
>>29273678
I had a semi-auto version. Very accurate and fun to shoot, but god damn it was heavy and awkward.
>>29274115
Literally such a common problem with your precious MP-40 several postwar copies had a special safety devices installed to make them at least marginally drop safe.
Right but left is good too
>>29273678
an 11-goddamn-pound SMG in .45 fat n slow isn't exactly what I'd call good by WW2 standards
>>29276825
>tfw this is exactly what the americans did at aberdeen
>they laughed at how much of a piece of shit it is and the GRU agent had to defend every criticism
http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/04/aberdeen-t-34-and-kv-1-test.html?m=1
>>29277732
2/10 try harder to bait faget
>>29277765
>here's what the Americans found out about the T-34 and KV-1 at Aberdeen
>turns out they are pretty shitty
>the Americans were wrong glorious Soviet steel is unbeatable
>>29276516
You know it g
M3A1
>>29275845
it's a salt rifle
>>29277732
Soldiers where notorious liars and cowards. Many good Huey pilots died alone in the air waiting to pick up soldiers that were parked in the city chasing Vietnamamese whores
>>29275708
>>29275775
PPS was cheaper but accuracy was much worse than PPSH. PPS is ersatz gun, ok for non-combat troops but not for grunts.
/k/ has the worst tripfaggots.
>>29273538
>Shitty Spaghetty Gun
>Not Glorious Tuica Dispenser
>>29278371
>Tuica dispenser
Too bad nobody will get what you mean robro
>>29274230
PPSH-41's couldn't exchange magazines between guns because of shit manufacturing
The PPSH-41 would always jam with a drum magazine, so much so veterans would use stick magazines
The PPSH-41 uses a machinegun style trigger system that increases the likelihood of getting a runaway gun. Especially when the high fire rate requires trigger pinching.
>>29278371
Is that a grip safety?
Some insight on the accuracy of PPSH and PPS with automatic fire.
Hurr durr
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37627
>200m :
>Sten - 10%
>MP-40 - 15%
>Thompson - 15%
>Beretta - 25%
>PPSh - 35%
>M56 - 45%
>>29278432
Yes. But that is the post war Commie Production.
This is the War Participating version:
>>29278444
I can't read Moon Runes man, you will have to explain.
>>29278483
ooh that charging handle is neat!
>>29278489
R100 - radius of the circle where all bullets hits.
R50 - radius of the circle where 50% bullets hits
Table 26 - prone postion short burst fire 100 meters range
PPSH-41 - R100=78 centimeters
PPS-43 - 84
AK-47 - 103
Table 27 - standing postion short burst fire 100 meters range
PPSH-41 - R100=122-125 centimeters (different trials same 1947 year)
PPS-43 - 176
AK-47 - 246-296
AKM slant muzzle comp 196-238
BTW soviets were very angry that AK refused to shoot bursts as accurate as PPSH but could not solve this problem.
In terms of quality, tied between the MP40 and Thompson. They both ticked a lot of boxes but in different methods.
Overall effectiveness goes to PPSH-43. The red monster would arm so many troops with them that urban fighting as a joke to them. The midrange firepower going from drum to stick mags after that blows was just unmatched. But this boils down to who can throw more lead than the other guy. The burp gun excelled at its design purpose.
>>29275792
>sloped armor
>low cost of production
Ten to one numbers with simple but effective armor.
It's a classic case of the simplest solution being the most effective.
>>29277755
Meinneger.jpg
The sten needs to be at least mentioned for being a baller solution to the problem of needing a smg that can be cranked out fast and cheap.
>>29279328
If we go by ease to make and how cheap it is Stick would be the best weapon in our history.
>>29279252
why were they angry? it goes further and hits harder, that's the trade off.
>>29276079
Kek
>>29275666
hail satan.
>>29276138
If it's genuine and you can get it for cheap, do it. They are quite coveted. After that, build a Modello 38A parts kit and you're ready to defend Il Duce's spaghetti empire.
>>29276910
>upside-down mag in an Australian gun
kek
>>29278399
>implying we don't know about the nectar of the gods
>>29279441
Stick is best weapon, especially when add heavy bit to make good club.
>>29276910
i dont know much about that gun, but holy fucking shit its ugly
>>29279441
>ease to make and how cheap it is Stick would be the best weapon in our history.
>stick
Mfw not wrong
>>29275708
Fuck no.
Just because 43 is a higher number than 41 doesn't make it better.
In fact the PPD was probably better than the PPsh but the latter was better for scaled production.
The MP40 was nicely made by a little too big and heavy for a weak 9 Para gun.
>>29273355
ZK-383
Followed by
> Beretta M38
> KP-31
> Owen
Bonus Points for Originality and Influential Design
> Japanese type 1
here u go fagots
>>29281533
You are aware that submachine gun m/44 did not see any combat use during World War 2 - right?
Wikipedia says that it's a maschinenpistole
>>29281591
it was designed and manufactured during the war.
>>29273355
the best of the best
>>29273538
a close second
>>29276825
It was less shittier than Pz3 and 4 in Russian terrain
>>29277765
>haven't realised that subjects tested were early production models
>>29279252
Left one is 10 shots to 100m
Right one 50 rounds in short burst to 100m
Radius of the 10 is 5cm. All shot with support
Suomi KP/-31. Expensive to make. But it was quality stuff.
>>29278359
you've never encoutered virtualoptim
>>29279663
125 a good price for the vests?
>>29276786
Because its an owen gun after being sent to the UK.
