I think I've come full circle /k/..i grew up looking at ARs with the carry handle, to obsessing about rails, to appreciating the classic look of the A2 again..
Now I have a chance to get a 20inch A2, but I feel uneasey about doing so..The only appeal is that, I wouldnt mind the irons because i don't have money to dump on expensive optics anyways.
KISS. If you have the chance to get an A2 then by all means get it. You can always swap parts around later on to fit your needs.
>>29238576
its uh rather soft shooting cause of the weight rifle length gas system and rifle tube
you get adjustable sights
the lop is perfectly managable unless youve got armor
im running out of merits get an a1
>>29238576
What other guns do you own? You might get bored of the limitations quickly, but if you like them then get it
>>29238603
o wait you get a tapdoor in the stock to stick stuff in thats neat
>>29238627
SKS, and a bolt gun.
>>29238576
If you like the A2 irons, get a rifle with them. You can still mount optics on fixed carry handles anyway.
>>29238689
How messed up would the cheekweld be?
It's a fucking rifle. Rifle is fine. Go to arg and get mislead by autists who sperg about rails. m16 is fine and combat proven.
>>29238959
They make pads to fix it
>>29238576
>Any merits to the AR/M16 A2?
They look great.
>>29238576
you realize you can get a flat top upper for all your gear queer needs later.
if you want to make an M16A4gery go right ahead aswell
plain jane A2 and A1 style ARs are great and still highly customizable.
It's a fine rifle. I carried one in Afghanistan and never had an issue with it. Like any other piece of equipment, if you take care of it, it will take care of you.
Don't ask this in /arg/ because they'll just want to tear you down.
>>29238576
The longer the gas system, the more reliable the AR 15 is. Rifle length, 20" barrel. That is what it was made for.
Oh, and they handle handle 55gr M193 really really well. M193 is like the ultimate 5.56 "combat" load in my opinion.
Less stuff that moves and comes off, less stuff to break. A2s are solid guns.
Soft recoil, you don't eat gas shooting left handed.
Do M16A4s have flat tops with carry handles on them?
>>29239068
flat tops.
>>29239068
>>29239071
I realize I can get the flat top, with the carry handle, but it's "not the same".
20 inch is good for reaching out though at the range 14.5/16 vs 20 matters you are slipping into 7.62x51 area anyway.
Specifically to the A2 you can shoot them in high power matches. An A4 with a detachable carry handle will let you do that and have a scope on a good La Rue mount you put on for normal shooting. Probably just described my next AR.
>>29238576
I love the A2 aesthetic, but I'd probably go with a flat-top because it's easier to mount optics, however, you can still do that on an A2 with a scout rail.
As far as a full-length rifle goes, there aren't really that many disadvantages in civilian use. The only real advantage of an M4 is that it's less cumbersome in confined spaces, and that's not really so useful outside of a military context. As a civilian, if you have a rifle in your vehicle, it's most likely going to be in a range bag instead of slung across your chest, and if Jamal breaks into your house, you're going to grab your handgun.
Full length rifles are nicer to shoot; they're going to be more accurate and allow for quicker follow up shots due to the added weight out front. You're also going to be able to put an expensive optic to good use, should you choose to buy one. The only downside I can really see is if you're a manlet with short arms and the LoP is too long for you.
Anyone got pics of mounting optics on an A2? Something that doesn't look completely fucked at least.
>>29238576
do it do it do it do it
If you need something shorter in the future, build an AR pistol with a Shockwave Blade "arm brace" (aka how to get a stock past the ATF's nose, just don't shoulder it with a cop next to you)
Keep this A2 cheap and cheerful, and make your AR "pistol" tacticool-hellaflush-CQB-faggy
>>29243332
I would want to build something like this with the A2 upper.
>>29243482
This is gonna be a build of mine starting this summer (well, it's an m4gery type carbine thing that's legally a pistol: it's just gonna be an 80% lower, PSA 10.5" pistol kit, and carry handle)
I loooove my A2. I trust the hell out of it.
She's got a Colt heavy barrel, so there's like eight or nine pounds of Rifle here. Doesn't bother me any. Get one.
>>29243605
How maneuverable is it? idk why, but these things seem massive.
>>29243778
It's a full size rifle, use your brain.
>>29238576
the A2 is my favorite m16, because it shoots well and handles nice, and isn't front heavy like the railed out ones get when you throw a PEQ, flashlight, and grippod on them with an acog.
That being said, if this is going to be your only AR then get one with an optic and flip up sights and an adjustable stock, because they are more practical for most shit. I have an A3 I built and keep with no attachments but I don't shoot it as much as my block 2 clone
TL;DR, get whatever you want, but the new shit is practical
>>29243605
This is my favorite configuration personally. I built up a faux-A2 upper over a stainless HBAR that didn't quite cut it for SPR use. Once I paired it with a heavy stock it was absolutely glorious to shoot. I have ARs with all kinds of scopes and optics but in the end I always come back to the A2 bastard AR because it's just so smooth in every way. With a heavy barrel it just plain doesn't heat up, so I can bang mag after mag long after my buddies have to put their little carbines down to cool off.
>wants m16 over m4 style
Lejitimtely no advantages over the m4. There is a reason why 11bs get the m4 and pogs get the m16
>>29244686
Except subjective aesthetics and enjoyment. But of course in the elitist world of AR fanboys those things count for nothing.
The A2 was the first AR I ever fired so it will always have a special place in my heart.
>>29244686
>look at me guize! I bought a shitty 1/9 twist M4orgery and think I'm a leer operator mag dumping at 25 feet! You just wish you could be as 1337 as me!
Sorry was busy trying to not an hero at that ludicrously stupid statement. Only a yard thinks a M4 is superior to a M16 unless you are the breacher/close quarters fighting. Want to hat what you are shooting at at ranges more than 400m, wanna have stable bullet flight and trajectory, wanna not look like a tard wanna be SEAL Team 6 op? Get the M16 and let the tards complain on no merits what so ever.
>>29244686
the M4 was adopted for ease of use, getting in and out of a Humvee on a daily basis with a full sized rifle gets annoying after a little while, and it's more maneuverable which lends it towards MOUT
But let's not bullshit ourselves here, most people who post on this board aren't active duty military. And in a civilian role, the disadvantages of a full sized rifle don't matter. Rifles are range toys, all the tactical dindu killin' is done with handguns.
>>29238959
If you look around you can find the old Delta riser from the Colt Delta Hbar, I believe Cherokee makes them still. You pretty well lose your irons but they do work.
>>29244739
WTF? I don't even own an AR, I carry an M4 with a CCO and still score expert on qual. Also, we use Leopold's with our M4's on deployment and score 500 meter point shots.
>>29244702
I have clered a room with both M4 and M16 and would take the former any day.
>>29244779
Different rifles for different uses guy. If literally the only criteria you have for a rifle to be "good" is that it's the best for clearing rooms then you need to branch out a little bit. Other kinds of shooting exist.
>>29244834
Bro, M4 shoots just as far, as accurately, has collapsible buttstock, lighter, no carrying handle so optics are mounted lower, so much.
I'm not speaking from some retarded fanboy perspective, I've used both damn rifles and only pogs get the 16 for a reason.
>>29244843
I've used both damn rifles also, and marched damn far with both rifles, and when I'm not marching or clearing rooms or jumping in and out of humvees (99.99% of my time these days since I'm out) I prefer shooting a basic bitch 20" AR. It comes down to preference, so bite me.
>>29244863
So full of shit
>>29244885
Whoa buddy, care to back up that statement with an actual argument?
>>29244891
Woah buddy, back up this military service claims first, and prove you're mos was 11b real quick
>>29244895
Woah buddy, last I checked you didn't back that up either, so it looks like we're on even ground
>uh oh how could that possibly happen??
MOS 13D, I have an understanding of just how important small arms are relative to actually destructive weapons on the battlefield. Queen of Battle, get back in the kitchen and make the King a sandwich.
>>29244885
Why the hell would you not take a 20 inch barrel for targets at range.
>>29244903
His arguments for the M4 are sound, he just has a complete and total lack of understanding that some people shoot ARs for recreation instead of for gunning down rooms of brown people in the sandbox.
>Also he doesn't even own one.
>>29244902
LMAO
Fuck, a pog telling me how it is dome.
>>29244924
Don't have my CIB omn there nbut its on ERB
>>29244924
Lol how old are you kid. Come back and try this argument again when you actually own ARs and shoot ammo that isn't what uncle Sam gave you.
Hopefully you won't get into any shit so serious you have to call someone like me on your little radio to bail you out with some fucking 155.
>>29244947
I shot some 7.62x39 today lol
U mad pog
>>29244959
Not even mad. 7.62x39 a shit. A fun shit though, admittedly.
>>29244924
Alex, you've got exactly 10 seconds to go back to bed before I drive over to your duplex with a tire iron and fuck your life up.
>>29245326
Who is alex..?
It warms my heart to see so much love for fixed carry handles on /k/ still.
>>29244895
>prove you are mos was 11b real quick
Lrn2grammar
Also, he could have been a 13F, 19D, 31B, 35L or any number of outside the wire POGs that use an M4 but went though training with an A2.
11 babies thinking they're the only ones who ever pull a trigger.
>>29238576
You should go with an A2 because then you can get that totally kickass rectangle shroud 203 launcher fore end. Thats what Im doing with mine anyways.
Get something like this and buy a detachable carry habdle, basically an a2 but you have the flexibily of an optic down the road if you so choose.
http://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt110.htm
>>29247234
A detachable carry handle does not have the same aesthetic appeal. Most people who are draw to carry handles want fixed ones.
>>29238959
For mounting something like an ACOG it kind of sucks. Something a little lower to the handle like a classic 3.2x probably won't be as bad.
For red dots, you can either mount them high on the handle for sexy, but less practical. Or you can get a cantilever mount, which looks goofy but works very well.
>>29244761
That looks cool, for sure. If OP can't find that though, some dense foam and some 100mph tape can be used to rig up the same concept.
>>29238576
Op I built an M16A2 clone from the bottom up, total it cost me about $650. I don't know if you've ever shot one, but I had to carry a trainer around for 5 weeks in BMT and when we finally got to shoot them, it was so sweet. I fell in love so I built a clone. Its such a nice shooter. The irons are great and easy, and you can get ones with match irons. Its super lightweight with the govt profile barrel and the plastic hand guards, weighs less than my 16in with a 10oz free float handguard. Plus, it's not something you see everyday so people at the range will ask you about it
>pic related my M16 and eggs
So to those saying it looks huge, here it is next to an M4gery with the stock only partially extended. Its about (shocker) 4" shorter than the A2
>>29247718
Is it possible to add a rear sling plate to the A2?
>>29248161
Like one of those ambi ones? I don't think so, due to the way the A2 stock is shaped where it mounts to the receiver. I just showed up to work so unfortunately I can't take a close up. That would be hella weird though...m
I really want to build a 20 inch with a vltor a5
>>29248222
>>29248161
http://www.skdtac.com/TangoDown-Sling-Mount-PR16A4-Ambi-QD-p/tng.206.htm
There are attachable ones that mount atop it.
Not OP but I want an m16ar, should I get a colt or FN and how much should I expect to spend? Also who sells them?
G&R tactical has fn 20 inch uppers....then I would say bcm then psa last choice would be rra
>>29248161
That's retarded on an A2 full stock. Buy a fabric sling adapter like the VTAC. The bottom sling mount is shit.
>>29238576
Just get a A4 style and if you ever want to use a different optic you can take the carry handle off. With the a2 style you have to mount any other optic on the top of the handguard.
>>29248827
The appeal of the A2 is that the carry handle is fixed. To some, me included it exhudes a "marksman" aura..but then again that could just be my autism..
>>29239111
I gotcha. Functionally it is the same once you've mounted a carry handle on it. But aesthetically it's different, yes.
>>29244959
I shoot 7.62x39 most days. As well as 7.62x54R, 7.62x51, 7.92x33, 5.45x39 AND 5.56x45. You proud or nah welfare queen?
Used a shitty training M16 while I was in basic training. First weapon I'd fired my whole life. 10/10 would get for nostalgia
>>29248270
Nope, to me adding that colapsible stock ruins it
>>29249167
Having used the C7, it makes the rifle front heavy af.
No love for the a5?
>>29238576
Not quite an A2, but it tickles my nostalgia bone. Pew Pew Hot and Sex.
>>29243547
I just built one exactly like that from PSA and Andersen. It's great.
Aint nothin wrong with the A2 style, especially if marksmanship is your thing. I don't mean to say that theres a massive diff in accuracy, but to me, the full length rifle seems easier to control and is more well balanced when there's no rails and elite tactical fleshlights and shit
>>29250123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vIw5z4-rpc
too much?
>>29250211
A flat top with the KAC rail looks good with that buttstock. An A2 upper no way José
>>29250211
Speaking of rails, how heavy are those KAC rifle rails? Guy with the A2 here, I've got a stripped upper and I could build an A2 upper on it for very cheap, cheap enough that I could afford to blow $200 on a KAC rail. Wouldn't need to buy a BCG or a lower since I already have one from my A2.
Eventually I'd turn it into its own rifle but still
>>29250334
Kac m5 is 17oz IIRC
You can get the sub 100 on jewbay
>>29250153
That's...actually very sexy!
Love the OD furniture and optic
>>29250702
Any idea what that mount is called?
>>29246935
31b and while basic and deployment involved the m4 with cco there were a lot of times I would have liked a m16 in the hills, tower duty, or butt stroking anp (a2 only)
>>29250372
Cool, that's not too heavy and sub $100 is nice
>want an ACOG for it
>that feel
>>29250103
What parts did you use from each company? I'm not sure how I feel about the BCG from PSA
>>29243778
Maneuverability is not horrible. I'm so used to the weight that handling the thing is second-nature, honestly. I don't regret my purchase one single bit.
>>29244665
Yeah man, it is my favorite configuration as well. And your so right about not heating up; my rifle stays cool enough under pressure that it's honestly worth the extra pounds.>>29244686
>>29244843
Dude, the trajectory out of the 14.5 inch barrel is objectively worse than the trajectory out of the 20 inch. That is simply a fact.
Outside of urban combat the extra velocity and the resulting flatter trajectory is a very real advantage.
>>29244924
>dome instead of done
Infantry confirmed.
>>29254286
Difference noticeable for ur everyday weekend range shooter?
>>29254286
Just passing through
the trajectory is indeed worse but doesn't really matter for its good enough and plenty optic have hash mark specifically for 14.5/16"
14.5/16" perform well with 69gr smk and 77otm
for closer in and lighter duty i grab my m4gery but for farther out and serious work I grab my L1A1
A1 best upper
>>29255849
Is that one of the rare Juden cut down A1s, or a purpose built Commando?
>>29255900
nah it's a sorta Colt 733 clone that i threw together
733s are the best clone basis because Colt used A1 parts as well as A2 parts
so mismatched shit is actually conform
>>29238576
It was the rifle I trained with in basic and the framework for my AR15 (pic).
I believe the 5.56mm cartridge is best in a 18-20" barrel, 16" being "urban/breaching" acceptable, just not 'optimal' for ballistics.
>>29248385
Colt. Last price I saw locally was $875 ordered.
The FN's are shit. Plenty of info online on this. FN even fucked up the rollmark on the early ones.
>but they make them for the gubburmint
That's actually why they're shit. They have access to the TDP. But they aren't allowed to use any information gained from it to produce commercial rifles.
>>29248270
I was halfway through my A2 clone when I realized this was a much better way to go.
>>29238576
There is absolutely nothing wrong with. If you like it, get it.
The only reason I took mine off is because I wanted to have a nice optic and I didn't like the way A2 front sight seemed to always be in the way.
Honestly I would one with a railed upper though. That way you can get a detachable rail mount A2 rear sight/carry handle. Makes it easier to be able to have and transition to/from A2 iron sights to w/e else you want. If you get one with carry handle fixed to the upper you are kind of stuck.
>>29244924
>>29244938
both of you need better cameras you fucking tards. WTF am I even looking at??
>>29244924
I get infantry is "the one with a cord" (sake of argument) but come on. There are a number of legit operators that drift through here from time to time.
There will always be someone that done one more deployment, has one more ribbon/tab/school, killed one more man and at one meter greater away.
Cool it, soldier.
>>29244924
ive got all of that shit, plus helmet, ifaik, rappeling gear, grenade pouches, maps, a purple heart and blue cord in a trunk my house. its all my friends shit and proves nothing without the paperwork buddy. i had pictures of shit all over ft.carson and peterson because i worked in them. doesnt mean shit
>>29244902
13B here, get your delta ass back in the tent. They're yelling something about a character sheet and rolling a D20.
>>29259061
I'm loving those rifles, but I don't feel like that paintjob does them much justice.
Retro ARs look best black or with beaten to shit camouflage paintjobs. Solid green on the metalwork just looks weird.
>>29259083
I'm liking the contrast. Maybe if the magazines weren't green it would look better.
Can I theoretically get one rifle, and then just switch uppers for a flat later?
>>29262692
Yes. This is very common.
>>29238592
This. Swap out the upper assembly with whatever you want
>>29238576
I assembled one, carry handle and all. Then got bored.
Then I put a 3x prismatic optic (poorman's ACOG) and it was just a heavier, longer version of my carbines.
It wasn't particularly accurate either, it's simply a less capable design than something specialized. I sold the rifle to my Dad and got a 24" precision AR.
>>29249710
looks familiar....
Well, I know what I'm building next.
https://youtu.be/UP6tmLnpoUg
>>29259081
>tent
Naw, I operated out of a 1068, and those things get hot as balls. They're basically brazen bulls on tracks turned down to be just barely survivable.
Fuck guys, im still conflicted on whether to get the A2 (something I've been looking for a while now), or get something more practical. Will pretty much be my only AR for a few years.
MillerUSAF (miller's guns and gear) seems to be a big proponent of the 20inch ARs, and A2s, his vids make it seem real comfy to shoot.
>>29265660
It is really comfy to shoot. It's not OPERATOR AS FUCK but for something to use to casually sling lead out to 500m with effective terminal ballistics you won't find many things comfier.
>>29266207
You realize that there is no effective difference in accuracy between a 20 and 16 inch barrel right? They'll both reach out to 400m and they'll both be below reliable fragmentation velocity. 7.62x51 is what you want to actually be effective at that range and not just trying to get a hit on something. For target practice, a 16 inch with 1:7/8 free floated rifle will do just as well as a 20 inch free floated rifle, and will most likely out perform a standard A2 style rifle, especially if the barrel quality isn't the same. There are so many more factors to target shooting and ballistics than the barrel length. 55 grain fragmentation velocity only extends about 30 yards or something in a 20 inch vs a 16 inch barrel, and the 16 inch will still get well around 150 yards for fragmentation velocity.
What exactly is it you are comparing? If OP wants an A2 just for looks, that's fine. He will have a good sight radius and a classy looking gun. If he wants to compete, he will get a free floated thicker barreled 20 inch rifle so he can rest the gun without affecting anything while shooting at a bench or prone. If he is doing off hand, he might as well get a 16 inch quality barrel with a light enough weight to sustain holding it easier.
>>29267679
Did you even read the post?
>>29267679
Literally "I didn't read the post I'm replying to: The Post."
>>29267679
Thoughts on .308 ARs?
>>29274014
They're neat.
>>29269382
>>29271999
That was a misquote while I was using my phone.
>>29244739
This was who I should have replied to. Sorry guys.
>>29238576
A2 is literally 10/10 aesthetics and its one of the best precision-based AR's possible. I'm currently building an A4 from scratch.
>>29240384
I'm 5'6 and I prefer the A2 stock because it's more comfortable. Maybe I just have longer arms for a manlet? idk
Can i ask why the A2 over the A1? Like besides the sight is it just you trade the triangle handguards for normal round rifle length ones?
>>29275619
despite nostalgiafags say, the A1 looks like outdated SHIT
A2 has a timeless feel to it.
>>29275619
The Canadian C7A1 had an A1 style rear sight, and the rest was in A2 configuration. The round handguard, from what I heard, was because logistics could be streamlined. The triangle handguard was 2 different pieces.
>>29275636
>A2 has a timeless feel to it.
I still feel guilty about purposely limiting myself by not getting a flat-top. I've only shot my friends tricked out AR, so I know nothing about adjust the the A2.
>>29240384
FN cannot use the TDP in their FN15 civilian rifles.
You are better off spending the money on a Colt brand Colt AR15A4.
>>29243605
>>29244665
>With a heavy barrel
you mean a HBAR, or is there an actual Heavy barrel profile?
>>29244843
14.5 is great for making .22 sized holes in people past 75yds. 20" will actually blow their shit up up to twice as far.
>>29244924
wow, you bought all the shit thats under $5 off fleabay. gj
>>29274883
5'7 with ape arms, can confirm.
Collapsible stock 20" C7A2-style might be more practical, but the stock is more comfortable.
Are the front sight posts of the A2 the same as the M4? I may do a carbine conversion and make a 727 replica, and would like to use as many of the same parts as possible.
>>29275636
Timeless... sorry but those cheap looking round handguards are the first thing to go on any AR. Look weird unless in dissipator or carbine form. Technically if you put those long round handguards on a a1 you took the triangle ones off of the only difference would be the rear sight and stock LOP right??? Things almost no one would notice. If so why don't most people just do someyhing like that. ARs biggest gift is it's modularity no?
>>29275763
>FN cannot use the TDP in their FN15 civilian rifles.
Source or bullshit.
>>29239026
You can chop 2 inches off the barrel and lose mostly nothing in terms of reliability unless you're in Russian winter.
>>29275763
>>29276539
>colt sues and wins for the right to ar-15 nonsense, no one else can produce shit with that exact name until 2050
>everyone produces other shit with different names to differing standards
>colt remains overpriced and mediocre
Shrug.gif
>>29276580
explain.
>>29263994
I think I finally need to drop coin on a decent camera setup.
>>29280569
just get that small gopro 4 and a good mount
you can put the bastards on literally anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ
>>29280569
Is that a MOE forend?
How bad would It be to scratch the A2 itch by buying the Armalite M15? It's like $600 often in my area and besides a funky pistol grip is basically an A2? Anyone read any bad reviews on them? It's Armalite has to be good right?
>>29284566
Looking into this
>>29284566
I just googled this, isn't it just another generic "M4"-like AR?
