So how does this work? I thought a shotgun had to have an 18" barrel regardless of overall length...
http://thefunnybeaver.com/black-aces-tactical-dt-not-aow-sbs-firearm/
>>29195251
It's not a shotgun. It's a firearm.
That's because it isn't a shotgun. It's legally defined as a "firearm."
>>29195251
I think it has a rifled barrel which makes it fall under pistol laws or some shit. But it doesn't meet any of the requirements of AOW and shit for pistols so it's just a "firearm". It's a weird loophole that companies have been starting to exploit.
>>29195251
Did you read the article?
>We’ve received our letter from the ATF and we have been instructed that our short barrel 12 gauge with the SIG brace is in fact classified as “firearm”. What’s that mean to you, the consumer? A lot. It means that you can now have your SIG brace equipped mag fed Pro Series 5 built and shipped to you in lightning fast time, not 6 – 8 months as you would an AOW. It mean there is no tax stamp, and no hassle. No AOW, no NFA. Not a pistol, not a shotgun, not an SBS, not and AOW, strictly firearm.
>>29195327
That doesn't actually explain why though, which is what he asked.
>>29195342
YES IT DOES FUCKING INVALID.
THE LETTER EXPLAINS IN DETAIL EXACTLY WHY ITS NOT AN AOW, NOT A PISTOL, AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE BUT A FIREARM.
>>29195342
Read da lettur
>>29195251
>shoulders it
>go to prison
LOL OKAY
>>29195359
>>29195352
Oh I see now. The definition of SBS that I looked up said "or" not "and" for barrel length and OAL.
>>29195342
So you didn't
>>29195374
Has anybody ever been convicted of shouldering a SIG brace? I did it once, it was fun.
>>29195374
>implying anyone has ever gone to prison or been harassed because of the SIG brace
I am sincerely triggered whenever I see a video with a brace and the guy in the video just has to put extreme emphasis on how he is NOT shouldering it, as if that making fun of the situation makes him any less of a cuck. Seriously guys, the only people enforcing this non-law is the gun community collectively fucking each other in the ass over it. Be a man, shoulder the fucking thing, and watch absolutely nothing bad happen to you.
>>29195390
I'm not OP.
see
>>29195382
Definition I found was bad and would have made the shotgun an SBS since it used "or".
Besides that, the text you posted still doesn't actually explain anything about the why, just that the ATF said it isn't.
>>29195403
You can do whatever you want with it.
The intention of the design is not meant for shouldering.
Putting a glock grip against your shoulder doesnt make it a rifle.
>>29195324
You're a moron. Has nothing to do with the barrel being rifled or not.
>>29195324
>loophole
>exploit
Do you not know what this means?
I guess you also buy into the gunshow "loophole" as well?
>>29195432
>>29195420
For the third fucking time, I read a bad legal definition of what an SBS is that completely changed the meaning of the law so I got a bit confused.
>>29195324
None of that shit.
It's just literally a "Firearm", according to ATF. So it's not a shotgun, and it's not a converted weapon; it was literally a firearm built to be like that, so it's OK.
yes, amerifats are crazy stupid at times.
>>29195432
Anything that is legal but violates the "intent" of the law is considered a "loophole". In this case, the intent was to force people to pay $200 for a tax stamp if they wanted a shorter barrel on their rifle or shotgun so that the failed handgun ban couldn't be negated by short-barreled shotguns and rifles.
>>29195444
>violates
>intent
>>29195440
I'm the anon that just said read the letter. he is kind of sperging on you. Sorry man, mistakes aren't forgiven around here.
>>29195410
Well that's all fine and good to do in private, or even among friends at the range or innawoods, but fuck me if I'm going to record myself doing it. That's just asking for trouble.
>trigger warning: asking for it
I still don't see how anything can be 'just a firearm' when we literally have a category called ANY OTHER WEAPON. It sounds like a perfect catch-all. I've read the definitions and understand the technicalities involved, it just seems silly to me.
>>29195251
Could a ban state resident purchase one of these? If it's somehow exempt from the SAFE Act I would buy one in a heartbeat.
>>29195251
Here it is:
If you bought a shotgun and did this to it it would be illegal because you can not convert your shotgun to a sawed off version as it would be under 18" in length.
However if you buy just a shogun receiver it is not classified as a long or short gun in its current condition. The receiver, being designated as neither a long or short gun, then can have a short barrel applied and sig brace. With only those two items added however your fierarm could be construed as a pistol so that is why the Vertical foregrip is put on so that said weapon is now a firearm.
TLDR: a shotgun receiver is classified as neither a long nor short gun and can be made in to what ever the end user determines within legal rights
>I hope that made sense....
>>29195539
I haven't read the SAFE act but since this is a new development I'd go with a strong probably.
>>29195599
>The receiver, being designated as neither a long or short gun, then can have a short barrel applied and sig brace.
That's true, but furthermore, the overall length has to stay above 26" forever, so you can't remove the sig brace without creating an SBS. It will probably be permanently attached from the factory.
>>29195635
True, but I believe they use the length of the buffer tube the sig brace connects to in OAL as opposed to the actual brace.
You could technically build one if you just ordered all the parts, kind of like guys do with AR pistols.
>>29195677
Does it actually need to be 26' total?
>>29195775
Twenty six feet would probably classify as artillery
>DO YOU WANT TO OWN A TANK
>>29195251
So if you bought one of these, how much could you modify it?
Also, I really wish Serbu would make a Mossberg or Remington like this. That'd be way cooler than this mall ninja shit.
>>29195327
Do they sell them without the Sig brace?
I don't even want that
>>29197232
it would be under 26 inches and an aow at point. they're trying to cut the paper work but its still cheaper to by a super shorty or make your sbs if you have your paper work in order.
>>29195414
Wouldn't want to shoulder it at a public range though, not risking breaking a grey zone federal law
>>29195990
Isn't this this build on a Remington receiver?
>>29195513
beacuse the nfa was designed to fuck with owning concealable weapons
they claimed 26 as the magic number
if its over 26 its "unconcealable" and out of their jursidiction
>>29199428
thats a winchester 1300
>>29195251
it's a AOW
>>29199428
Considering the position of the forend release, no. It's a Mossberg receiver.
>>29199509
Nevermind
>>29199468
I see the trigger and stand corrected
>>29199470
Not an AOW, it's a firearm
>>29199470
watch the video, it's not an aow
>>29199509
its a 1300 look at the safety location and where the stock connects to the reciver
>>29199542
This chart is fucking aids. It makes nfa seem 10x more complicated than it is.
Also useless because most states have NFA-like restrictions and definitions, but most of them don't use exact NFA language. OP's configuration for instance is likely illegal in about half the US, even states that are facially "pro-gun". This shouldn't be surprising given that the sig brace is a retarded loophole around a more retarded law
Also shittily designed because in "firearm" in NFA means specifically an NFA-restricted firearm, i guess nobody read the letter which says "firearm per GCA but not firearm per NFA", in other words they chart author picked the only word in the universe that doesn't distinguish
>>29195251
>http://thefunnybeaver.com/black-aces-tactical-dt-not-aow-sbs-firearm/
>>29195324
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>>29195440
>>29195444
>>29195513
>>29195539
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>>29200854
Please watch video and accept it for what it is. then kys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5KbWOe64g
