Daily reminder that PMAGs are prone to failure when loading on a closed bolt and that Magpul claims it's a feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QNQ7IOl5sk
>>29074219
Daily reminder it is caused by idiots like iv8888 loading over 30 in the mag.
>>29074219
Damn a gi mag would be bent to shit if he did that with one.
>>29074245
Nope.
>>29074219
They will also eject rounds on a open bolt slamming it in and also jam the bolt just slowly racking the bolt on a full mag
Magpul is shit, they just had good marketing with their fagpul dynamic dvds and the fact that shitty usgi mags were its only competition. A shitty fucking mag that doesn't even into anti tilt features
Fucking ak mags have been anti tilt since the 40's and superior poly mags since the 70s
I always thought you were supposed to load the AR with the bolt open?
>>29074700
Or stop trying to fucking cram more than 30 rounds into a mag and get your rifle checked by someone more competent than you which could be just about anybody
>>29074700
Any mag, if slammed hard enough, will do this.
Take any mag, beer can grip it, and slap it with the palm of your other hand as hard as possible.
Rounds will fly out.
>>29074802
When doing a tactical reload with a round still in the chamber, you would not remove that extra round to load a mag- that would be superfluous movement and a waste of time.
>>29074858
Which is to say, slap the bottom of the mag with your palm.
>>29074813
That's not what causes it at all.
>>29074219
Reported video for firearm raping.
>>29074219
>slams it in 40 fucking times to make it fail
look i beat the shit out of it now its broke
Reeeeeeeeeee
>>29074858
MP-5 technique pretty much teaches this, but only because the germans, being germans, couldn't come up with a bolt hold-open for the whole G-3 line.
They teach you- slap the op handle to the rear and latch it open the spent mag and load a full one
Slap down on the op handle letting it fly forward and strip a round.
>>29074813
Happens on standard 30 friendo
Ask any infantry soldier what they load their mags to and they will say 28 just to avoid issues. The whole stanag design is fucking shit thb but magpul is overhyped gimmick shit just like ak and glawk reliability
If you own a arcuckteen load that bitch up with standard 30 on a closed bolt and slowly as fuck charged the rifle and report back, and/or jam a mag hard as fuck into it and see if it doesn't spit rounds out
tl;dr
Stanag mags a shit regardless of who makes them and what gimmicky features they have
European rock and lock mags are superior for reliably but not very good for cool high dynamic speed reloads
This thread is pertinent to my interests.
>>29075083
Get out of here regular gay.
>>29074219
>slams it into magwell 30 times to cause a mild shift in rounds in mag that probably isn't even going to cause a failure
>bitching by someone who actually dry-fired their AR
is this real life?
>>29075406
Did you miss the part where about 1/4 of those inserts it didn't seat?
>>29074219
Alright, I'm clearly insane but I always thought that GI mags made out of metal were superior to P-Mags, which are made of plastic.
I have always used GI metal mags and never really had an issue, but always heard that P-Mags were garbage. I just thought people used them to look like they were OPE8OR and shit.
Why wouldn't you use a metal magazine over a plastic one? Surely a plastic one is going to be flimsy like you saw in OPs video, flexing and shit.
>>29074301
lolno
decent bait tho
yes, but it's a mistake inherent to AR design.
>>29075690
It's a mistake inherent to polymer feedlips. Does not happen with metals.
>>29074219
Daily reminder that this is a known trade off of the AR style push in mag catch- it's less reliable than two contact point AK-style.
>>29074887
Not on my AK. Hell, some nations even teach magazine strikes in h2h because it's that secure.
>>29075775
It's not an issue with other AR mags.
>>29074219
I got a Lancer Tactical mag today, in the opaque smoke. Haven't even loaded it yet and i already like it a lot more than my PMAGS. It's light, thin, and strongly textured. When I eject the mag it literally ejects out.
>>29075753
So does that mean the Lancer AWM mags are the best of both worlds? metal feed lips and polymer body?
>>29075834
Correct. Lancers are pricier but are the best AR mags currently on the market.
>>29075827
You mean the problem is less pronounced with other AR mags.
>>29075907
No. Watch the video. Push in suffers from having to overcome spring pressure to load on a closed bolt due to not having the leverage of a rock in system, however it is normally not an issue with enough force.
What is happening here is, in Pmags, the feedlips spread slightly allowing the second round to be pushed upwards binding on the first round. This prevents all of the rounds in the magazine from being able to be pushed down, meaning the magazine cannot be loaded on a closed bolt, period, no matter how hard you insert it.
Metal feedlips do not flex in this way.
>>29075951
But I don't want to watch the"quick" video that's 10 min+ long.
>>29076013
Just look at the picture in OP, dude.
>>29076016
It's a magazine for a toy rifle, what about it?
>>29076158
>what about it?
The feedlips flex and allow the rounds to bind. Are you being obtuse on purpose.
>>29076354
Yeah but nobody ever uses an ar voluntarily in a real situation, so who cares?
>>29075829
Lancers are godly.
I need to get more of them.
>>29075502
Honestly I've never had a problem with pmags, or GI mags with upgraded followers. I find Lancer 5AWMs preferable over pmags, but I've yet to have a failure on any of the three.
>>29074219
>When I go fast and fail to seat the mag correctly because I'm a fucking retard, the mags fail
>REEEE PMAGS SUUUUUCK
>>29076501
>and fail to seat the mag correctly because I'm a fucking retard
Try again and actually watch it.
>>29074219
Wait, how is it prone to failure? Eric from iv8888 did a test on how good AR mags are and pmags have no problem seating on a closed bolt at all. If anything, Lancers (gen 2) seem to fuck up more in that testing.
>>29076530
Read the thread.
>>29075845
scar 16s mags are the best ar mags*
ftfy
>>29076548
Reading the thread doesn't change that the iv8888 AR mag test showing the pmag not fucking up while being slammed into a closed bolt while the lancer g2 did show issues though.
>>29075083
>ok.
>ok?
>ok!
>ok.... soooo
>>29076717
>come to thread
>ask question
>question is answered in thread
>instructed to read thread for his answer
>nofuckyoulolrekt
k
>>29076793
How is it prone to failure? Eric showed they don't fail being slammed into a closed bolt in an AR.
That was the question. Not just "How is it prone to failure?" There was a follow up to the question.
>>29075502
GI mags get bent really easily I heard, because they were designed to be throwaway items.
>>29074219
imma say its his rifle not the mag just tried it with my rifle no problems whats so ever, tried it with my brothers rifle to, and it did it with his but, his rifle also has some problems chambering rounds and the mag release seems loose. my pmags are windowed and dont have any marking denoting which gen they are though
>>29076830
>How is it prone to failure?
Read the thread.
>>29076847
They're strong aluminum. They can be bent under extreme force of course.
Polymer mags can crack under moderate force.
Lancer mags have steel lips.
Scar mags are steel.
Lancer & scar are your best bet, but GI are fine, and Pmags are ok if you dont abuse them.
>>29076887
shaking the mag involves no rifel you cuck
>>29076717
Link the video.
What mags are better?
D&H Aluminum Mags or Magpul Gen2s?
>>29077714
Gen2 and Gen 3 both do it. Aluminum mags with magpul followers are a safe bet. Lancers are good as well.
>>29075433
There's no way to tell in the video that is doesn't seat other than him going all "operator we have a problem" on it. It's not like we can see what he's doing with the mag release side of the gun.
I'm going to assume he's retarded, and the mags are fine.
>>29077738
You can hear the mag release.
>>29077745
>◔ _ ◔
Have you ever actually touched at gun?
>>29077750
Go put a magazine in your rifle, if you have one. Seat it.
Press the magazine release.
Tell me if it makes noise.
>>29077754
It does not. Inserting the magazine makes more noise. Please explain to me how you can tell if he is or is not holding the magazine release while repeatedly doing his aspergers drill with the pmag.
Seems like I could easily replicate this failure by just lightly depressing the mag release while pretending to have magazine failure, since we can't see what he's doing on that side of the gun.
>>29077803
>dropping a mag makes no noise
You're being retarded to argue a point. Stop that.
But yes you're right, he could be faking it by holding the mag release. For whatever reason.
But it's not just him showing this, and the mags were demonstrated to bind independent of the rifle, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>29075083
>the I say fuck ever few words because i'm illiterate guy.
>>29077879
Don't be jealous.
>>29078533
>jealous
>of an army reservist and podunk PD who sucks james yeager cock
Naw.
>>29078551
>youtube famous
>actually seen action
>trained with the best
You couldn't dream of being on my level.
>>29074944
Except you're wrong. The MP5/10 has a BHO and release.
The reason older models don't have one is because no one cared about having one hand always in the firing position when the gun was designed. New train of thought demands the weapon be reloaded with one hand on the grip despite the gun being worthless when empty.
>>29078557
You are gay as fuck. I live in Davie and I know your bitch ass is nearby.
Which agency do you claim to work for? I never see you on the road.
>>29077745
Yes that happens. It even happens in your videogames faggot.
>>29074977
I tried it.
>ar cuckteen, check
>magpul loaded with 30 rounds, check
>loaded on closed bolt
>charged very slowly
>round chambered and weapon fully in battery
>repeatedly jammed mag into magwell, rounds remained in magazine
Your thread is shit and you should feel bad.
>>29074977
>ask literally any infantry soldier
Nope.
>>29079038
Roll
>pls no mimic
>>29074245
He says 28 in the video fuckhead.
Thats no bueno.
Reminder that OP is a terminally butthurt faggot who said most people do AR tactical reloads on a closed bolt.
>>29079038
rolan
>>29079224
No hj finisher I guess, fucking feathers everywhere. probably a nice soft down cuddle though.
6.5/10
>>29079038
rollin
>>29079038
I could use a monster waifu
>>29079038
rollin, pls no fish i hate fish
>>29075827
First time I shot a Tavor I had the same issue with my BCM Teflon coated GI mags. I thought I was just having a moment of autism, but apparently this is a thing that happens.
>>29079038
Roland the knight
this happens with every AR mag imaginable, but if you're slamming in mags on a closed bolt you're a retard that deserves everything that may happen.
>>29079483
>zombie
Oh boy.
In the search for ever lighter equipment, plastic gear queers go to great lengths and risks just to shave off a few ounces. Not once does "lift some more" and "build muscle" cross the mind as the solution to rifle being "too heavy".
Such is the life on the modern ARfag.
>>29079038
Roland.
>>29079590
I can't get past the trend of far forward grips and such. I'm not a weakling but it just isnt comfortable to me.
>>29079590
Ounces matter, bro. Have you even carried a rifle for more than 10 yards?
But no, you're wrong. The modern ARFag does what you said but still ends up with a rifle heavier than the original M16A1. I think it's some sort of weird mental condition.
>>29074977
>ask any infantry soldier
Negative, friendo. We rock the full 30, everytime.
>>29079590
>Not once does "lift some more" and "build muscle" cross the mind as the solution to rifle being "too heavy".
That actually takes time and dedication. Fuck that lmao
>>29079590
Two things, dumbfuck,
1: PMAGs weigh more than metal mags.
2: You've never gone for a hike.
I await your lying responses.
>>29079940
>1: PMAGs weigh more than metal mags.
I have truly no response, other than what the other anon said:
>I think it's some sort of weird mental condition.
>>29075502
I use gi mags with the foliage green magpul anti tilt followers. Its the best of both worlds desu
>>29079038
rollin'
Is everybody on this website retarded?
>>29079038
roll for godly luck
>wah wah! Something popular that I can't afford is shit
>>29081619
I don't think there's anyone here who can't afford a PMag, they're like $6.
>>29081651
Where the fuck are you buying your mags from? They're 12$ minimum
>>29079590
metal mags make a FUCKLOAD of noise, they rub against other pieces of gear and generally cause premature wear on nylon and rifle finishes, it has literally nothing to do with saving weight you literal fucking retard
>>29081658
doesn't make a difference, at the end of the day they are cheap as fuck.
>>29081686
the difference between 6 and 12 dollars is 200%, most of /k/ retards are poorfags who buy shitty milsurp weapons and don't even shoot
>>29081701
It's not that much.
Shit, I have a cache of plum 5.45 mags for range use. Don't tell me PMAGs are expensive.
>>29081651
>tfw 25+€ here
>>29074219
Never had that problem, but I don't try for maximum velocity. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast, I slow my roll a bit just as I'm inserting a mag so I know it's not going to bind in the mag well and I can feel it firmly seat. Maybe if I were competing and needed to shave a tenth of a second off my time I'd care more and invest in a mag with metal feed lips.
File this one under "meh".
>>29074858
>Any mag, if slammed hard enough, will do this.
This.
Chalk another thread up to people wanting to talk shit about things that are popular.
>>29077714
That's a tough call because D&H mags are absolute unrequited dog shit-tier. But PMags have NEVER dropped free reliably or had feed lips that survive terribly long where any aluminum GI mag wouldn't have those problems.
Depends on how cheap the D&H mags are I guess. If you can buy three in place of every one PMag you would otherwise buy, it's worth it to discard any that malfunction and keep the correctly made ones.
>>29077738
You can clearly see him shift his hand to hit the button only when a mag doesn't catch, and you're an idiot if you think the mag catch doesn't loudly click out of the mag catch cutout when the release is pressed.
Further, there's a stretch of video where his trigger finger is way down by the trigger guard while he's slamming mags in over and over, with them not catching. So he's very obviously not holding the mag release.
>>29081619
>can't afford
>literally the second cheapest mag ever put to market
>>29081658
M8 they go for <9$ all day long.
>>29074858
You should alter your statement. Not every mag.
Most double stacks, yes. Single Stacks, generally no.
>>29082451
I got 11 for $7.80 each after shipping, which is half of what I could've gotten PMags for. I guess I'll just sell them next scare after I replace them with PMags.
>>29083232
Get Lancers.
>>29079038
>no bonus on dubs
Shit tier.
>>29074219
This impact all G3's?
I have a dozen G2's that never had any issues and another dozen G3's still NIB.
>>29079038
ROLLLLING THUNDER!
>>29083450
Literally any doublestack mag will do this if you slam it hard enough, often enough. The reason you have any issues is that you don't senselessly ram it in on a closed bolt.
>>29083534
>Literally any doublestack mag will do this if you slam it hard enough
I don't think you understand what's happening. Describe it for me.
Oh hey, it's this guy again. Are you gonna be the new "Geissele FCGs are just overpriced status symbols" memester?
>>29083534
Just tried this on a G2 and G3 loaded with 28rd and 30rd of XM855. Used a mil spec Colt lower.
Couldn't get them to jam up by manually slamming the mag into the well with as hard a force as I would think reasonable. Was able to flick the G3 to reproduce but again not as easily as in the video. G2 and a 20rd factory colt didn't do it.
I'm gonna say it could happen but probably wont in reasonable use.
>>29083285
I just found gen3s for 12.95 shipped. I'm getting them.
>>29079590
USGI are lighter tbn farn
>>29083592
>$13
You do you, I guess.
>>29079038
rollin
>>29083867
How much are lancers?
>>29084109
Average about 15, can be gotten in packs for about 10.
>>29081701
if you think the change from $6 to $12 makes them unaffordable, then it's you who is the poorfag
>>29079038
Roll that shit.
>>29079038
Testing my luck
>>29079541
Zombie girls are so hot.
http://exhentai.org/g/835400/e8ef73139a/
>>29085738
They're actually cold.
