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so i'm 19 years old in the states and i just bought a tokarev(i gave money to older friend and he "gifted" it to me). i have no ammo and can't find any around here. it's pretty cheap online, but i'm unsure if i can actually buy it. would i have to produce ID to the mail dude? or would they not give a fuck?
>>28698386
Nice felony faggot!
>>28698406
And he admitted to it.
>>28698386
Isn't that a straw purchase?
>>28698429
no, i'm legally allowed to own it, just not purchase from a dealer. you can own a pistol in my state at 18, just not CC it until 21.
>>28698386
How can one person be so dumb?
>>28698406
>>28698428
faggots
>>28698406
>>28698428
it's legal to own a pistol in my state at 18. just not CC. i have the gun in my name and there was a receipt of private sale between he and i for cash.
>>28698465
I"m not the idiot that admitted to a felony on the internet.
>>28698452
It's still a straw purchase you giant chode
You fucking idiot. This is why you're not allowed to buy a pistol at 19. Yeah, you just admitted to a felony and conspiracy.
>>28698475
im not a felon or not eligible to own a pistol, so by michigan law, it's not. i looked this shit up, i'm not fucking dumb. i'm just unsure about the purchase of ammo, i don't want to ask my friends to buy me shit all the time.
>>28698504
>im not a felon
You are now
It would be illegal for you to buy ammo for your handgun as a Michigan resident until you are 21. No exceptions.
>>28698504
What you did was a straw purchase, look it up. God damn, you really are dumb.
>>28698386
this has to be bait
>Holding: Regardless whether the actual buyer could have purchased the gun, a person who buys a gun on someone else’s behalf while falsely claiming that it is for himself makes a material misrepresentation punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), which prohibits knowingly making false statements “with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of a sale of a gun.”
>Judgment: Affirmed, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Kagan on June 16, 2014. Justice Scalia filed a dissenting opinion, in which Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito joined.
>>28698488
no, you're all fucking retarded. there is a bill of private sale between myself and my friend who purchased the pistol for cash.
>>28698504
you do know that you straw purchasing a felony. You gave him money initially which makes it a straw purchase
>>28698550
"while falsley claiming it is for themselves"
there you go. that never happened.
>>28698406
>not knowing all the states that allow possession of handfuns at age 18
Go to bed retard
>>28698559
Hahahahaha and you kept the evidence!! Jesus kill yourself if you even happen to get ammo for it!
>>28698504
They're not talking about you owning it. It's illegal to have someone but it with the intent to give it to you. And you admitted it.
If you said "my buddy surprised me with a pistol for x occasion" you would have been fine.
>>28698574
i gave him money for which he then bought his own pistol as a gift and after consideration, decided he no longer wanted it and sold it back to me as far as the law goes. wasn't a straw purchase.
>>28698504
>i don't want to ask my friends to buy me shit all the time.
what are you not getting about "straw purchase"
>>28698590
He didn't buy it with the intention to give it to him, though.
>>28698579
>not knowing what a straw purchase is
Go to sleep Timmy, you got school tomorrow.
>>28698600
thats not what you initially said. Nice back peddling though
This is the kind of tripfaggotry I expect from /k/
>>28698578
>Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you. (See Instructions for Question 11.a.) Exception: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.
>>28698590
well, what's to stop be from saying that? really. i mean this is the internet afterall, i could just be a lying OP.
>>28698602
>i just bought a tokarev(i gave money to older friend and he "gifted" it to me).
Yes he did.
>>28698600
>gave money to older friend and he "gifted" it to me.
>>28698601
ammo isn't applicable, that's not straw purchase for the same reason that people who own rifles that fire pistol cartridges have to have other people buy their ammo. nothing illegal about it.
>>28698617
He's a namefag, newfag.
>Nothing bullets cannot cure.
Just kill yourself OP, your progeny do not need to walk this earth. Our 'Stupid' capacity went critical decades ago.
>>28698639
but it still is a straw purchase for ammo, which is illegal
>>28698616
well, it would hold up in court and that's all that matters to me. worst comes to worse, the bill of sale gets burnt and the fun meets my metal grinder and i'm out 190 bucks.
>>28698640
And you, my friend, are just a regular fag.
It's alright though.
We are all fags here.
>>28698639
It's still illegal. Say goodbye to your dog.
>>28698666
And this thread is pulled as evidence of:
D) All of the above
>>28698666
good luck. Hope your lawyer fees arent too much
>>28698590
>namefag thinks he can fool people by removing his name
Nice try, OP.
You explicitly stated that you:
>gave money to your of-age friend
>for the express purpose of purchasing a handgun
>to have him "gift" if to you
You are a fucking idiot and no amount of back peddling and trying to explain how you *didn't* commit a felony is going to convince anyone here that you are innocent.
tl;dr
>you should seriously considering becoming an hero
well, one way or another, nothing can be proven. the fun could disappear, the bill of sale could disappear, everything about it could disappear and all that's left to the government is some guy who lied to a bunch of dudes on the internet. none of you answered my question, stop being faggots. can i or can i not buy ammo online? jesus fuck.
I ordered pistol ammo online at 19 and 20, and countless times since then. Package always just gets left at my door. Hell once I shipped it to a different address than my billing address, and to a different name. Just left on the porch.
AIMsurplus is the only place I know of that requires ID for ammo. SGammo and LAXammo never have given me grief, both solid sellers.
>>28698386
On a serious note have a friend buy you like 1000 rounds at a time if you have to and toss in a little extra for them being such a bro.
That will last you ten range trips or so.
Is this the same dipshit that ND'd into his foot with the Tok a few days ago?
>>28698722
nope. my feet are fine.
Can you provide us any additional details, Original Poster?
I'm not an ATF agent.
>>28698604
For all we know anon could have gave his buddy x amount of money as a gift, his buddy bought a pistol for himself, decided he didn't want it anymore, then gifted it to anon. Hard to prove other wise. Don't miss the buss tomorrow Johnny, make sure you take your helmet off so mommy can give you a kiss goodbye
>>28698709
Yes you can order ammo online. They ship it straight to your door. Some places do want you to fax a copy of your ID like southern Ohio gun
>>28698694
Uhm not OP, I'm
>>28698681
I'm agreeing he's retarded. My point was that he could have easily lied to us random internet folk but instead just copped to a felony.
>>28698694
doesn't really matter. none of this would or could ever hold up in court without any real evidence. i mean, what if i'm just lying to you, don't have a gun and am just a secret liberal trolling /k/ for lulz? i mean, all that shit is possible. none of it is even remotely admissible.
>admitting to a felony on a honeypot site
Well done.
>>28698386
Getting V&ed for a pkece of shit slav relic. Topkek.
>>28698386
too stupid to own guns
>>28698748
like what? my first and last name? address? SSN? eye color and height? mother maiden name? name of fav dog? sure thing bud.
>>28698666
>fix a felony with a felony
that's the fucking spirit!
>>28698752
this was exactly what i was saying too.
>>28698806
well, it's also a felony to help burry a body, but if the body is never found, charges cannot be had. also, what if i'm just a trolling, lying faggot who is actually just nogunz? problem is, no one knows. people lie on the internet all the time. have fun trying to prove anything i'm saying is true ATF.
>>28698386
Nigger why would you post that you committed a straw purchase?! Why not just say that it was a gift or something which is legal?! Delete this post now before the dog shooters get a hold of this info.
>>28698802
your ip address from 4chan, then follow up and match it to your isp. Then your isp gives your billing location to the atf and you are one dog short in your household while your ass gets stretched out in prison
>>28698848
im quite aware of how easy it would be for the ATF to find out who i am, all i know is that it would be retardedly difficult to prove anything.
>>28698864
saying things online is just like saying them in person. It is admissible in court
Dubs and I email this to the BATFE,
>>28698844
However, there may be evidence left over that may lead them to the body AKA THIS WHOLE DAMN THREAD.
And if you're lying then you're just gonna be short one dog with nothing to show for it
>>28698893
fuck off nigger...
>Checkem 99
>>28698864
Here's a hint: "substantial cooperation" is the technical term used in federal sentencing guidelines for "testifying against your friends." It knocks several levels off your sentence.
>>28698893
do it anyways
>>28698893
roll
>>28698893
rollin'
>>28698889
Can't remember the name of the case, but there is precedent that an IP address does not constitute identification of an individual.
also, as OP, let me fix my incredibly ambiguous statement. i recently bought in private sale, a tokarev from a friend of mine whom i have been helping financially for the past month or so. he bought the gun with money i had given to him for his own purposes, whether it be groceries or what have you. he then, deciding that he no longer wanted the gun, sold it to me in private sale. me, wanting to help him out, given his dire financial position, gave him money in exchange for said firearm. all completely legal. now in possession of said legally acquired firearm, i am searching for information regarding the purchase of ammunition online and the legalities of such a purchase. there. amending statement.
>/k/ bitches about how the ATF sucks
>reports people to the ATF for victimless "crimes"
>>28698893
roll
>>28698923
You have to find a way to authenticate the evidence, and that goes for any type of evidence. It is /harder/ for internet stuff, but not impossible. You're basically going to have to find a way to show that the post was made by the person in question, and that it is what it appears to be (i.e. not a fake).
>>28698937
Monica Lewinsky corrected her public statement as well, still didn't take the bad taste out of her mouth.
>>28698937
>>28698542
/thread
>>28698923
it doesn't. anyone using my wireless network could be posting this.
>>28698957
ok. thank you. question answered.
>>28698967
its still enough to warrant probable cause
>>28698967
>anyone using my wireless network could be posting this.
>my
jesus christ, you are too stupid to own firearms. Just cut it up with a angle grinder already.
>>28698893
Rollin
>>28698806
>>28698752
its only legal for a parent to gift you a handgun when youre under 21 in most states. not that anyone honestly gives a fuck.
>>28698978
so how's your new paper weight doing.
>>28698893
Check em
>>28699002
not in michigan. anyone can gift you a handfun. also, it wasn't particularly gifted, hense the quotation marks, it was sold legally in private sale, but it was more along the lines of he sold the gun to me for money i was going to give him anyway. still a sale, still legal.
>>28698893
roll. i've done nothing wrong.
>>28699032
18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6).
>>28698893
Don't do it!!!
>>28698893
DO IT FAGGOT!!! DUBS!!!
>>28698893
Should I forward this to the FBI or ATF
>>28699100
Congratulations!
>>28699100
THE DUBS HAVE SPOKEN!! SACRIFICE HIM TO THE DOG KILLERS!!!
>>28699100
ring a ding baby
>>28699032
You should stop debating it, dude. You got the answer you were looking for. You're just giving these guys more of the attention they're looking for. Turn off the namefag and go about your business
>>28699065
>18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6).
that only applies if the person i bought it from was out of state.
>>28699106
Don't be a cuck. You don't want someone too loss the right too funs for their entire life over something so petty.
>>28699125
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.
>>28698472
>it's legal to own a pistol in my state at 18.
sure you are, that's why you had to make the transaction as shady sounding as possible.
>>28699100
check'd. do it faggot.
>>28699139
its legal to own a pistol at 18 in most states. just not buy them.
>>28699032
id like to confirm your belief or laugh at you but the michigan handgun laws are so fucked ive barely got any idea what the fuck its trying to say
>>28699127
If they break the law they break the law. And if people break firearms laws I make sure they pay for it.
>>28699139
shady sounding or not, nothing illegal took place.
>>28698472
Do you have a license? im guessing you dont, which is required by Michigan law
>>28699100
winner winner chicken dinner
>>28699167
Actually yes it did
the only way you are allowed to buy a pistol under the age of 21 is a private sale with a purchase license, let me guess ,you didnt know that?
>>28699172
not in private sale. only through an FFL. i can buy pistols all day long from bob and jim down the street. bill of sale is just so they can't say i stole it.
>>28699162
cuck
>>28699197
https://usgunclasses.com/info-by-state/michigan/how-to-purchase-a-pistol/
>Before you can buy a handgun, the purchaser must get a permit to purchase a pistol.
congrats, felon
>>28699193
and make it double
Doubt it
>>28699217
Way to be a dick. A hilarious dick, but a dick.
>>28699100
Double dubs says that the ATF shoots his dog and flashbangs a daycare in his name.
>>28699238
Rolling again. If there is a God he'll give me double dubs to screw OP over.
>>28699167
Except a straw purchase punishable under Federal law by up to ten years in prison, plus a dose of accessory liability for you.
Relax! As a level 20 offender and (assuming no priors), you can only expect to do 33-41 months in a minimum security prison. And if you take that sweet, sweet acceptance of responsibility discount, you're only looking at 27-33 months.
>>28699238
i don't have a dog and if they show up at my door, then a license i shall provide and send them on their merry way.
>>28699106
You can forward it to your recycling bin. Otherwise the Feds will jack off and laugh at how stupid of a wanna be snitch you are. You really think they'll follow up on this? Retard
You fucking cucks are all backstabbing taddle tales. No wonder everyone hates gun owners.
>>28698386
Don't worry about it OP, just find the shit in a brick and mortar and get your butt buddy to buy it
>>28699258
oh so now you have one? two posts ago you were all hot shit telling me you didnt need one, so what is it felon, do you have a licence or not?
![tumblr_mei017xLGW1rmwepjo1_400[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/YvmA0fV.png "tumblr_mei017xLGW1rmwepjo1_400[1].png")
>>28698504
Not sure how the laws are there, But in PA you can't "Gift" a pistol, it needs to be transferred via an FFL,
>are you the actual transfer e of the firearm "Yes"
So yeah congrats you just did a straw purchase and are now a felon
>>28698847
>This.
haha Toks are like the Hi-Point for white people
>>28699271
>>28699270
>>28699270
yeah really, i'm a white conservative male with no priors coming from a respected military family. do they really think the feds would give even half a fuck? its a range fun.
>>28699321
That looks extremely fucking painful.
>>28699337
Actually, they'd probably love the shit out of you since you made it so easy. You're low-hanging fruit and you fit a narrative in a federal climate that is incredibly hostile to unlawful transactions in firearms. Keep in mind, these are the people who have successfully prosecuted 19 year-old girls for sexting their 17 year-old boyfriends and went after sugar daddy websites under the fucking White Slavery Act.
>>28699321
Wow, when was the last time I saw that pic?
>>28699337
its also a felony.
>>28699337
>i'm a white conservative male with no priors coming from a respected military family.
way to not identify yourself there kiddo.
just stop posting. 'gift' the gun back to your equally retarded friend.
>>28699379
not if i have a purchase license. eat a dick, faggot.
>>28699498
you already said you didnt have one faggot
>>28699508
really? where. where did i say that? quote me on that.
>>28699547
>really? where. where did i say that? quote me on that.
>>28699172
you replied
>>28699197
ergo, you dont have one, otherwise you would have said "yesI have one"
felon
>>28699547
>>28699579
also the fact that you showed YOU DIDNT KNOW YOU NEEDED ONE tells anyone with any slight bit of common sense that you dont have one.
>this thread
>>28699602
when did i say this? i mean seriously? when. show me where i said this. for people who supposedly like guns, you guys are a bunch of dicks. im a good old american kid not doing anything wrong. i didn't do anything illegal and there is no proof that i did.
>>28699642
>when did i say this?
>>28699197
that whole post is saying how you think you dont need a purchase license for a private transaction.
I JUST FUCKING LINKED THAT POST, you are either trolling or incredibly dumb, im guessing the latter from a straw purchaser
>>28699659
or maybe this is an incredibly elaborate troll and you took the b8? who knows?
>>28699672
sure thing pal
>>28699684
the thing is, there's no way, at all, in the world, to prove that i'm not lying.
>>28699672
>or maybe this is an incredibly elaborate troll
>>28699713
he's right though. we can't prove it. ATF can't prove it unless they somehow got a warrant to search his house and found the fun was in his possesion. if that isn't the case, then there's nothing that can be done.
or maybe, i'm using my sons computer to frame him for a crime he didn't commit because i think he's dangerous and shouldn't own guns. again, who knows?
>>28699768
>>28699696
>>28699672
>gets proven to be a retard and a felon
>kek lol im trolling
or maybe i'm a 19 year old nofuns and wanted to see how my theory on buying a tokarev and ammo would hold up in court without going and looking up complicated laws by myself and just got /k/ to do it for me and i'm just being incredibly lazy and don't want to put in the research beyond the occasional browsing on /k/. but that might not be true either, who knows?
>>28699803
>>28699768
>>28699696
m9 ur fukt
hide your dog, the ATF is probably coming
>>28699828
kek. i hope so. maybe i can get a selfie with the agents.
>>28699838
post pics. Flashbangs make great filters
>>28699342
I don't know. He looks like a big guy.
>>28699891
for you
>>28698386
a legitimate company would request you fax or email a photocopy of a state ID confirming your age to purchase ammunition for a pistol. I scam artist/le happy merchant company wouldn't refund your money after you bought your glock bullets when you couldn't prove you were over 21.
I dealt with similar with PCC and a brotier gunshop will either take your word it was for a rifle or have me bring the rifle with me when I bought ammo. pain in the ass and that law is gay as fuck to shit on people 18+ but under 21 who wanted dem 1930's $5 revolvers for defense.
>>28698621
you can buy a firearm as a gift for someone, they just can't pay you for it. giving a friend $500 for his last cigarette and him deciding in his magnanimity he'll buy OP a firearm as a gift is perfectly legal.
>>28699977
I have never purchased ammo from a shop that requires ID, what the fuck kind of places are you ordering from?
>Straw purchasing a meme gun
This is why leftist faggots want to round up all the guns, because retards like you exist OP.
>>28700020
some people look older than others. i've never been ID'd for buying .223 or x39, but i've been ID'd for buying .357 and various other pistol calibers.
>>28700043
I have never been IDed for ammo in a shop either but I was talking about online orders, I didn't even know there were places that required you to scan them id before they sell you ammo and I have bought from something like 8 different ones in the last year or two.
>>28700041
even if OP did do something illegal, which i don't think he did, there's no harm in anything he's doing. i mean, really. he's not hurting anyone(that i know of). like he said, it's a range fun.
>>28700020
because it is illegal to SELL pistol ammunition to a person under the age of 21 as an FFL, not gift it or possess it. An easy ATF sting is "Hey I want some glock bullets, here you are sir, HA GOT YOU MOTHERFUCKER", especially over the internet.
>>28700043
this
shaved my face for a while and got the "sorry man I know it's bullshit but management won't let me sell you this unless you have the carbine with you" when I was 20
>mfw i bought the goddamn gun at the goddamn store and had a pic of their bill of sale
grew my beard out and I haven't been carded for range use, ammo, or liquor in months (21 currently)
>>28700063
idk about online, but i know for booze, they card you at your door.
>>28700070
I have ordered from plenty of online ammo dealers and never been asked for ID in the transaction, even from big ones. I also have never heard of a federal law regarding selling pistol ammo to minors.
>>28700112
then you're a liar and a double liar, because online ammo sellers and in store gun shops do an age checks to protect themselves from criminal prosecution and it's part of the NFA along with 21+ to buy pistols.
protip: when wal-mart asks you for your DoB during an ammo purchase after you sniped the last box of .22 it's for this check; if you look under 30 they ask for ID, if you're some salty old geriatric fudd fuck they take your word for it
>inb4 I never get carded at liquor stores what's this fancy federal age restriction on alcohol.
>>28700112
as for online, since you have to sign for ammunition, some shops leave it up to the postal worker to notice "requires adult signature 21+" on the shipping slip. If you're 18 you're lucky you have a shitty post office, if you're visibly over 21 by virtue of being some old fudd cocksmoker they just hand you a pen.
>>28698406
>>28698428
>>28698472
all of you faggots are so stupid it hurts.
He and his friend did nothing illegal.
a STRAW PURCHASE is only infact a STRAW PURCHASE if the person that ends up with the gun is not legally allowed to own them.
fucking newfags.
>>28700069
Pretty sure this is a sockpuppet
Who else but OP is using "fun" to refer to his straw purchase gun?
>>28700191
>along with 21+ to buy pistols.
wrong you fucking faggot.
Holy shit does anyone on this board know anything about guns?
You only have to be 21 to buy handguns from an FFL
You can legally own handguns at any age, and you can legally purchase them at 18 through private sale.
>>28700229
it was an illegal purchase because in Michigan you need a purchase license if you are under 21 to privately buy a handgun, which he did not get.
therefore it was not legal for him to own it, therefore straw purchase.
>>28700233
>half of /k/ calls them funs
>being this new.
>>28700254
pretty sure OP never said he didn't have one.
>>28700278
he still never said he didn't. i mean, it's implied, but implications can be misconstrued.
>>28700254
did you even read the articles listed in here?
You can buy privately at 18. He was not a felon, and not legally barred from buying a handgun. Thus not a straw purchase.
It says right at the top of half of those fucking pages you can do it at 18.
What about this is so hard to understand?
>>28700229
wrong/10
It's not illegal because OP graciously donated 190 dollarydoos to his friend who in his infinite magnanimity decided to gift him a gun
>>28700249
REEE somewhere else, this is /k/ and and autism fight to boot so "handguns are 21+" is shorthand for "handguns from FFLs are 21+ but you can purchase a handgun within your own state at 18+ in a private sale but you have to have someone 21+ purchase ammunition for you or own a pistol caliber carbine and purchase ammunition for that rifle and then later decide to use it in your handgun instead"
>>28698386
>gave money to friend
>he "gifted" me item
wow you are a clever one, i bet you're the first criminal to ever think of that loophole. imagine all the criminals that could get off scott free with knowledge like that. like a hooker who "receives" money as a gift, and "gifts" a blowjob. anon, you just invented the best criminal legal defense ever used, start your lawfirm now you will be a legendary millionaire
>>28700262
Not in this thread. Only OP and his sockpuppet knights use "fun".
How's that sock? keeping your hand warm?
>>28700297
and there's a process that you have to follow, that he didnt follow
whats so hard about this for YOU to understand?
>>28700315
I'm failing to understand how any of you are coming to the conclusion that hes in the wrong.
You have to have a license to purchase a fucking handgun from a dealer, not a private sale. He and his friend did literally nothing wrong. Whatsoever.
>>28700249
>You can legally own handguns at any age
no
you can own a handgun "in your name"/ be gifted one at 18
you can own a rifle "in your name"/ be gifted one at 16
your little fudd chudling having a 10-22 in his closet that you bought doesn't mean he owns it.
>>28700191
I have to assume I'm being trolled at this point, have you ever ordered ammo online or are you just some nofuns?
>>28700329
no, In michingan (where OP said he was from) you are required to have a purchase licence for private sales as well
>>28699215
>https://usgunclasses.com/info-by-state/michigan/how-to-purchase-a-pistol/
>IF PURCHASER DOESN’T HAVE A CPL
Before you can buy a handgun, the purchaser must get a permit to purchase a pistol. This is available from your local police department. The permit to purchase is issued by your local police department, and is valid for 10 days. The police department will run your background to ensure eligibility to own a firearm before issuing the permit. Though the permit is valid for 10 days, it doesn’t mean you HAVE TO purchase a pistol, but it allows you to purchase one pistol from a private seller for 10 days.
>
Go to your local police department and obtain your permit to purchase a pistol
Meet with the seller and actually buy the pistol
Fill out the RI-060 Michigan Pistol Sales Record form
There are 3 copies (that must all be filled out and signed)
Seller keeps one
Buyer keeps one
Buyer drops off remaining copy to local police department within 10 days
Buyer keeps copy of the sales record with the firearm for 30 days
Bring your purchase permit and pistol sales records back to the police department within 10 days
Enjoy your new pistol.
OP did none of these steps, he litterally just has a piece of paper that says "dingus sold doofus dis gun"
>>28700353
Also wrong you fucking retard.
it varies state by state
In Michigan, a person under the age of 18 generally may not possess a firearm in public except under the direct supervision of an adult 18 years of age or older.1 Persons under age 18 may possess a firearm while at, or going to or from, a recognized target range or trap or skeet shooting ground if, while going to or from the range or ground, the firearm is enclosed and securely fastened in a case or locked in the trunk of a motor vehicle.2 Persons under age 18 may also possess a firearm while hunting game under the authority of a hunting license on land upon which a parent or guardian is regularly domiciled or where a parent or guardian, or another adult at least 18 years old authorized by a parent or guardian, accompanies the minor.3
>>28700397
Holy fuck does Michigan sound awful, glad I don't live there.
>>28700329
the part that makes it a straw purchase is that his bro got the money before he "gifted" it to his bro, IE a straw purchase.
This has been confirmed by the very recent supreme court case abramski v. united states. But as for anyone not THAT retarded to have someone purchase a gun for you with "for gun" in the memo line of your personal check to get a LE discount on a glock.
>>28700364
>ammo arrives
>you have to sign for it
>"requires adult signature 21+"
>already need to produce ID to sign for packages unless you're a necrotic fudd to confirm 18+
>UPS man says his package scanner won't let you sign for it after typing your birthday
>because you're 18, not 21
>you REEEEE at him
>he marks it as unable to be delivered
>>28700397
http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-firearms-policy-summary/
guess rifles do go by state, with 16 being the common one if there is any regulation to tranfer/sale. gg being in a cucked state where you have to be 18 to own a longgun.
>>28700432
>the part that makes it a straw purchase is that his bro got the money before he "gifted" it to his bro, IE a straw purchase.
that and he has a receipt his friend wrote up
>>28700432
Those are all orders I took delivery of without being asked for ID.
>>28700432
>>28700469
My orders are always through UPS and I have never been asked for ID, maybe it is a FEDEX thing?
>>28700469
because when you signed for it your lazy UPS guy visually confirmed your fuddy ass as over 21. Remember buying liquor before you became fat and old? being able to hobble into the A&W mad as hell and walk out uncarded with a crate of coulsons vodka is because you look over 21 and store clerks are lazy.
>>28700456
thats legal, his friend decided in the parking lot that zastava tokarevs are pieces of shit, gun shops don't accept returns, and it's legal to gift a pistol to a person 18 and over. then enters anon who has been so nice to Anon'sBro in the past and helped him out in a rent money pinch earlier that day.
>>28700519
>and it's legal to gift a pistol to a person 18 and over. then enters anon who has been so nice to Anon'sBro in the past and helped him out in a rent money pinch earlier that day.
except he has a piece of paper that literally says he paid money for it, not that it was a gift.
>>28700531
>I anon on _/_/__ am selling a zastava tokarev serial number ________ to ______ undersigned below for the sum of $0.
if he's citing the pre purchase economic transaction of $190 dollarydoos then OP needs to track down his buddy and have him burn that piece of paper though.
>>28699217
>no gay porn tabs
I am dissapointed in you anon.
>>28698386
Lol just use your moms info faggot
Why is everyone so upset about a straw purchase for a guy who has no intent of doing anything bad with his pistol? Yeah it's illegal, but that's more of an indictment against the atf and govt than anything else.
Fuck the govt.
>>28703397
Well judging by his behavior in this thread he seems a little mentally deranged as well. So let's add mental illness onto his felony and we've got a sweet ass sacrifice for Tyrone and of course a nice dog for the ATF.
Sacraficing the idiots in the community keeps the good members safe.
>>28699295
PA had a pistol registry like a decade ago. PA is kinda fucktarded on that.
>>28699193
Congrats they have a screenshot and the name of the owner of 4chan. They'll probably get right on that.
>>28699295
>But in PA you can't "Gift" a pistol
Not entirely accurate.
Gifting of handguns is allowed between husbands and wives, and parents to children, but under no other circumstances.
I came in here expecting ammo talk and instead got a hilarious read
Thank you OP for your continued retardation.
