are there any guns significantly more reliable than a glock? At any price?
Canik tp9sfx
>>28679033
Literally everything that's not a race gun 1911.
Seriously man, Glocks aren't special in terms of reliability.
If we really want to bitch, a Makarov takes everything a Glock does and goes further.
>>28679068
This is a lie.
>>28679033
Cz handguns can't be killed.
Hi point
>>28679376
pot metal
>>28679033
Everything that isn't hi-point.
Enjoy your hand grenade, though.
>>28679033
Glock's reliability is on-par for other duty handguns. Even worse than you faggots are the guys that watch youtube videos of torture tests/retard parades and think it's some scientific measure of a gun's ability to work.
When it comes to carry or duty I trust Glock, Sig, HK, S&W, Springfield and Beretta with my life and have at some point. Not saying other companies don't put out reliable pistols, but I've carried the above for work or personal duty at some point.
Get out of the books/videos and out to the range, find stuff like this out for yourself instead of relying on others.
>>28679561
Remove Springfield and add FN.
>>28679568
I should have mentioned FN. I carried an FN for plain clothes duty for about a year. Good pistols across the board with FNP, FNS and FNX.
Springfield makes fine pistols. I have carried their 1911s for work, own one of their 1911s and though it's not my bag of tea, know the XD models are good guns for the money.
>>28679592
>XD models are good guns for the money.
Only in 9mm, the rest are pieces of shit, and the grip safety is archaic and stupid.
I'm a really bad shot, but I notice substantial accuracy improvement between my FNX45 and the rest of my pistols.
And my other pistols are:
Glock 19
Glock 20
S&W Shield 9mm
Ruger SR22
I swear my FNX45 is almost as accurate as a rifle. Idk why. Call it squishy squishy all you want but it's probably my best gun.
I have to clean it every time I shoot it though b/c I got FDE color, I should of gotten black.
>>28679626
Squishy squishy
FN is an awful brand!!!
>>28679486
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>throw glock in fire
>it melts
>throw cz in fire
>meh
>>28679621
I've put 1500+ rounds through my XD40 and have never had a malfunction. Never a failure to fire, never a failure to eject, nothing. The grip safety doesn't bother me at all either. It just ensures that you are properly holding the gun for it to fire.
>>28679033
>no second strike capability
And that's why I bought a Walther P99
>>28679621
It amazes me how many people will rip into the XD line for the grip safety but also own and carry a 1911.
>>28679068
>mfw my bulgy mak still keeps getting light and no primer strikes
>mfw I tried multiple brands of ammo
>mfw I replaced the hammer spring, firing pin, and cleaned the channel
>mfw I'm getting ready to order a safety lever from apex, in the off chance the safety is interfering with the firing pin
I really really want it to be good and reliable, but i've replaced enough parts to make it cost the same as my Gen 4 glock 26, and it still isn't reliable.
>>28679792
Toothpicks solve this problem.
>>28679714
>throwing your weapons into fires
Not very bright, are you?
>>28679033
>>28679767
>bad primer
>fucking around with the trigger instead of powerstoke
battle field las vegas reports glocks are the least problematic pistol on the line until 80 grand and then the slide breaks.he also says gen 4s seem to go longer.the thread is on arf com called abused handguns or something like that.more facts and less quacks
>>28679486
Just let this meme die, they're fantastic firearms, I put thousands of rounds through mine and not a single failure or mishap.
>>28680095
I love my glock 26 gen 4. Probably over two thousand rounds, yet have any problems.
>>28679033
Ruger GP100. The gun that won't die.
>>28679033
Hi point. Feels better to shoot too, believe it or not.
>>28679470
Burn in hell shitposter
>>28679068
>Makarov
So I picked up a bulgarian makarov package, cleaned it thoroughly including firing pin channel, and so far it fires rounds 0% of the time
>>28679486
let's play a fun game here.
anon, would you please define "pot metal" for the class?
>>28682949
Zamak,
Hi-point metal
Commonly also used in cooking pans
>>28682966
>zamak
>"commonly also used in cooking pans"
>zinc-based alloy
>used in cooking pans
lmao what in the mother fuck am i reading
"Pot metal" doesn't mean it's used in pots you retard, way to out yourself there. Plus even if they did literally make pots out of zamak (which alloy by the way? there's like seven of them) that doesn't preclude it from being used in firearms. You know what else they make pots out of? Aluminum. Oh, there goes all those ARs and other lightweight milled-receiver guns! What else? Steel. Ohhhh fuck, there goes literally every single firearm made after the 1600's, guess we can't use metal anymore aside from brass blunderbusses.
No, there is not a goddamn thing wrong with using zamak in a firearm, nothing more so than using aluminum, brass, steel, bronze, or polymer. >>28682949 was right to call you out.
Also have you actually used a Hi-Point? Out of all the pistols I have it's the only one that's survived falling down a fucking ravine and being fished out of the Malheur River and it still runs fine to this day.
>>28683218
>data set contains one unverified story
maybe we shouldn't use wood for pistol slides because it's a shitty material -for the purpose- like using low quality pot metal components where they matter in firearms.
>>28683434
haha okay please explain how "low quality pot metal components" is bad for slide mass
Give me some hard empirical data, explain to me why zamak (Hi-Point uses steel inserts for structural support btw, factor that in) is an inappropriate metal for the task. I'll be patient, so please, take your time anon.
>>28682966
>Commonly also used in cooking pans
>>28683434
The HP is a direct blowback pistol. The extra mass is needed, and Zamak is a great alternative to what would otherwise be an expensive mass of steel to machine.
>>28679714
Either gun would be absolutely fucked by fire. If the gun was loaded it would set off all the ammo in the magazine and blow the gun up.
>>28679033
I don't even know how many rounds I have through my FNP9usg by this point. I shoot it a fuck ton and have had it for 6 years. Probably over 10k and that's a conservative estimate.
I've actually attempted to induce malfunction, to no avail.
Can't limpwrist it even with relatively weak loaded stuff. I went through 1k rounds of steelcase junk in one range trip just to fucking see, and nothing. Didn't clean it and shot for months without cleaning. No failures.
Dunked it in mud, still works. Dropped mags in sand, still works.
Meanwhile my friend's glock23 fails like a bitch if you limpwrist it at all.
>>28679068
I'm not a Glock guy. At all. Ugly as sin, but this video surprised me on how reliable they actually are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4OswUhLwo
wasn't the glock reliability meme, from the 90s when they told police the service life between rebuilds was 2k rounds? and the 'rebuild' was just new springs?
>>28679033
CZ's & FN's. FN's actually are cheaper significantly, by $100. CZ's beat it in value because muh metal framez.
I hear bad shit about the m&p's and
>canik turkshit
>>28683636
I've owned both the FNS and glock 19, the glock has given me far more failures, the fns has actually given me none at all. When I first took the glock out to the range the first 10 or so shots had 3-4 stovepipes. Wasn't limpwristing because I corrected that after the first shot (which was a failure). I'm not sure if its common for glocks to have a break in period... I thought that was only with metal guns, but it continued up until about 150 rounds but there were only 2 failures after the initial 3-4 on the first 2 mags.
My dad swears by H&K and has reportedly never had issues with his usp9 or hk45. I would say h&k and FN are equal to or better than glock easily. Look at the brands with the most military and police contracts around the world. CZ would be up there too. Fuck sig because they charge way too much and every model they make has a 5 story high bore axis.
>>28686474
>first 10 or so
It was actually within the first 2 mags, maybe 3, all I know is it was fucking embarrassing.
>hey guys check out my new glock, I got it because they're so reliable
>*JAM JAM JAM JAM* Fuck.
Also disclaimer for h&k, the vp9 is garbage.
>>28679757
This. Very happy with my .45 Compact XD. The grip safety isn't an issue, XD is a fine out of the box shooter. As are my Glocks.
>significantly more reliable than a glock
>>28679033
I have fired 25 bullets out of my kel-tec and it didn't not shoot once. Prolly better than your average glock. And a better price, too. Definitely safer since it has a safety.
~Dave
>>28686474
>look at the brands with the most military and police contracts around the world
for sidearms that'd be glock
>>28680095
>he fell for the makarov meme
It's literally Jimenez tier.
>>28679033
How can one get more reliable than literal perfection?
>>28686685
Actually it'd probably be the Hi-Power or CZ75/85 if you include all their clones. Maybe the Makarov.
>Sphinx
>>28683492
It's shittier, deal with it. I've shot everything from the fucking raven to thousands of dollar 1911s. If you have shot a variety of firearms you would definitely know that quality is significantly better in well made firearms that don't use zinc, zamak, or whatever cheap ass bullshit they like that week. Cut the slide in half of one of them and come back and tell me it is quality. (I have it is pretty pathetic inside). If a high point is all you can afford, great. But don't compare it to glock, MPs, springfields, H&K etc because it is not even in the same fucking ball park. I'm not a fanboy to any particular brand.. but aside from the 'price point' hi points really aren't that great compared to the other more expensive choices.
tl:dr hi point is ok for the price, but not that great overall.
>>28679714
>throw the cs in a fire
>meh
>until it explodes in your face when you try to shoot it because you fucked the heat treatment of the metal.
>>28687087
cz*
>>28679767
second strike is a liability, not a capability.
>>28682783
Probably the only non-bullshit answer in this thread so far.
>>28682966
correct. now tell me how a CZ 75 is made of ZAMAK, a non-magnetic alloy if it attracts magnets?
http://ramlite.com/products/cz-magnetic-weaver-rail
no hurry, I'll wait
>>28687200
A CZ is significantly better than a hi-point dude... That's why it is 2-3x as much..
If a high point was as reliable as a g22 (what a very large percentage of police use) why would they pay 3 times as much for a glock when they could get a reliable polymer wonder gun for 150?
There are great polymer guns out there, Glock being on the cheaper side imo. If you pay a hundred and fifty dollars for a pistol, that's what you are going to get. Glock is by no means the 'best out there' but they are cheap and they work.
>>28686685
In the US maybe. We make shit choices when it comes to guns. Our military is equip with AR15s and baretta M9s ffs...
It was a dumb idea for PDs to pick up glocks in the first place. They keep shooting themselves and causing Oscar Grant type situations with them.
>>28686690
I'm not doubting this considering mine is keyholing at fucking 20 feet... I just don't even...
I'm starting to think maks are Russian hi points with dicks on them.
>>28687113
Explain your reasoning.
Why would you want a trigger to do nothing when you pull it? Isn't that why you glockfags hate safeties?
>>28687461
>YFW glocks have 4 safeties
>>28679792
I don't own either, but the 1911 has a good reason to have it. It was a different time, and this was how they made guns drop safe. It has no place on a modern pistol however.
>>28687505
No thumb safety, the things go 0 to kill in a light press of a finger. I don't see why having something you can flick on to safely holster your deadly weapon is so much to ask for.
>>28687610
desu I would rather it have a safety like a 1911 because there is no way I am ccw-ing IWB with one in the chamber without a safety. It would be fine to do with a external holster but it is not worth the risk otherwise imo. People generally talk shit about not carrying one in the pipe, but for glocks that is dangerous IWB.
>>28687610
Or you could just learn how to holster properly you old as fuck fudd.
>>28687645
it's not dangerous if you use proper safe firearm handling and a proper rigid holster. Enjoy throwing your expensive brick at an armed robber
>>28687647
YOU can just learn how to properly draw your weapon and sweep the safety.
Or just don't even use it and only use it when you holster your weapon when you aren't able to give full attention, say after fucking shooting someone as its purpose intends. If you think your nerves won't be the ones shot you're wrong.
>>28687680
>use proper handling/training/equipment!!
>I can't use proper handling/training/equipment because I can't trust myself to flip a switch
>>28679033
FN and HK make more reliable pistols than glock
>>28687645
nice bait.
Get a fuckin proper holster you wanker.
>>28687680
Meh, I don't feel comfortable doing it. If you do good for you. I use a very minimalist holster because I wear shorts and tee shirt(it is very hot here). I'm not saying it 'couldn't work'. I just don't think it works well for me. I realize having that extra second to rack the slide put me at a disadvantage.. But it is what it is.
>>28687697
>>28687717
lol. It is all about preference really.
>>28687724
They also cost twice as much.
>>28687734
Iv'e tried several, it is not practical for what I wear. I know all of you fags get in a circle jerk about carrying one in the pipe, so save it. I have heard it all before.
>>28687645
There is no scenario in which the trigger gets pulled on a properly holstered firearm. It is physically impossible for leather to stretch enough even if you have the holster out and you are trying to pull the trigger through the leather with a screwdriver and if you scurred get kydex.
>>28687756
what creepy ass gif is this.
>>28687461
Because if your gun doesn't go bang when you pull the trigger, it's most likely a bad round. You would be better off in any situation racking the slide and firing again than sitting there pulling the trigger over and over like an idiot in the hope that it might come to life.
>>28687771
>Pic related
It does happen. How about I do what I want to, and you do what you want to.
>>28687792
filename
>>28687800
Just buy a Taurus, you don't even have to pull the trigger, just shake it.
>>28687756
FNS-9 costs $100 less than the glock 19. They're almost the exact same size if you can figure out how to put a flat metal floorplate on the mags.
So you don't feel comfortable having it on you loaded? What happens after you have to shoot somebody? What if you have to run because the scene is still not safe, hop a wall even? What if you want to put it away in case officer Retard shows up and sees someone with a weapon?
>>28687756
You're just asking to shoot yourself idiot. If you really wanted to be safe, you would carry with an empty magazine too. That way, there's no risk of you cambering a round and forgetting it when you're fumbling around with it. Plus, in most self defense situations, the bad guy runs away as soon as a gun is presented, so you're taking an extra risk for nothing.
>>28687800
Do you think that under the stress of such an emergency you might accidentally pull the trigger at least once or twice more before you realize you have to TRB?
>>28687885
I don't think a firearm has ever chambered itself and shot, but triggers have been pulled accidentally plenty. Kydex is a must for glocks. They should just come with them like the canik does, it'd probably save a lot of morons.
Racking the slide takes very little time with proper training. Flipping a safety takes even less. But my issue isn't with carrying chambered, its with actually getting it in/back in the holster. It just can't be done quickly with comfort, therefore it ain't safe.
>>28687901
Maybe, but you can train yourself to reduce the likelihood of pulling the trigger after a failure to fire. And you would want to do so too, because hitting a dud round over and over wastes valuable time. What you would not want to do is encourage that shit by using a da/sa.
>>28687868
I was referring to the 45 models, not interested in 9mm.
No, I don't because there is no safety on what I ccw and any holster I would consider to be 'safe' would be to bulbous to wear with normal clothes appropriate for the weather. I hate small frame pistols and I would rather have to rack it and have a full frame. DESU if I ever was forced to shoot someone I would do so and run the fuck away. I ran around and did shit with 75-100 pounds on my back and with a rifle, I don't think a pistol will cause me any maneuverability issues dude.
>>28687885
If you pull your firearm and don't use it you are a fucking fool.
>>28687901
>The beauty of training.
I almost forgot what a circle jerk this board is. At least you don't post fucking bananas and chicks with dicks.
>>28687948
fuckingagreed100%.mkv
>>28687959
If you get a dud, you should immediately rerack it even if you have a double action.
>>28687948
That post was a joke. But actually, yes, people often do forget that their guns are loaded before handling or trying to disassemble them. If you think that you're incompetent enough that you might accidentally pull the trigger, then why wouldn't you be dumb enough to forget if you chambered a round?
>but triggers have been pulled accidentally plenty.
No they haven't. They were pulled negligently.
>>28687840
Yeah, whats it from?
>>28688195
The movie 'Megan is missing' as indicated by the filename.
>>28687263
I was arguing with the guy who said CZs have pot metal frames. I have no dog in the hi point fight.
I'm on my second Glock 20 and both of them have had jamming issues with Underwood 180 grain and 200 grain TMJ. It's never more than 1 out of 50-100 rounds, but every 1-2 boxes of ammo, I get a jam on this seemingly standard loading.
>>28687021
Allow me to completely kick your point's legs out from underneath it:
The zamak is there for mass, it isn't the primary structural element. Hi-Points are simple blowback pistols and their slides are heavy to compensate for that, the design is fucking perfect the way it is. You can go "hurr ya but pot metal" and other dumbass memes spouted by dumb motherfuckers who don't understand basic engineering concepts. Zamak is actually pretty decent of a material, it's cheap, has a reasonably good shear strength, compressive yield strength, and it's fracture and elastic properties aren't bad at all, comparable to steel. What precludes it from being a barrel material is it's impact strength, thermal expansion coefficient, and it's laughably low hardness. Plus that impact strength and it's properties that surround that preclude it from being used in firearm mechanisms. Zamak parts will snap and shear pretty easily.
So no, it's not "shittier" it does what it does fucking fine which is have a density of about a quarter pound per cubic inch.
While we're here, let's talk about what the Hi-Point pistols actually do. They're cheap, rugged guns that do their job pretty well. I bought one because I wanted a cheap gun I wouldn't worry about if it got fucked up a little bit, as long as it still worked. Mine has performed fucking admirably there, the one issue I had with it jamming came from the fact that it went bouncing along a rocky, steep slope and got a rock jammed in the slide, so I beat it out and cycled the gun without further issue.
You're right, it's not in the same ballpark as other guns because I've yet to see something match that. They're ugly box guns but they're fucking tanks, and my .45 Hi-Point still has decent grouping (thanks fixed barrel!) even after I literally smashed it against a big rock to remove a little rock from inside it.
>>28687724
FN maybe but go watch a torture test on the vp9 (the closest firearm hk makes that resembles a glock) the vp9 gets BTFO.
>>28680773
Found it late last night and skimmed through it. Interesting read, seems like the only thing they have to change out are the recoil spring assembly but the guy implied that those things will go far longer than other recoil spring assemblies (manufacturers recommend changing every 5,000 rounds). He also mentioned slides cracking at the 80-100,000 round mark and that's when glocks go down.
I wish they had HK pistols at the range and gave some insight on how those pistols would hold up at the 100,000 round count and general maintenance scheduling compared to glocks and sigs.
>>28683218
>>28683218
>>28683492
>>28683549
These cucks.
Pot metal or not, Zamak 3 (hipoints go to alloy) is brittle and much more prone to corrosion than steel.
In history, we studied the great civilizations that conquered and expanded their empires, made possible with the discovery of zinc and its use in weapons of war.
Oh wait, no - those were the empires that used bronze and steel. The zinc-warriors got their asses kicked and became the bronze and steel empire's bitches, along with the gay vegan empire and the legendary poodle riders of the eurasian steppes.
>>28683434
I'm glad you understand. I wonder if the Hi-point owners manual has a listing of clever responses, because every time we have this argument it is Hipoint owners spewing the same defensive butthurt bullshit.
>>28693200
It. Is. For. Mass.
You dumb motherfucker. It has a density of 3.85oz/in^3 and is cheap, easy to cast, far more durable than most cast steels, and while it may be lighter than steel ounce per cubic inch, these other factors make it far more viable of a metal to use for raw mass.
Let me run that by you one more time before you run off to catch the short bus:
Cheap. Easy to use. Use for what? Slide mass!
Oh and there were never "zinc warriors" you dumb son of a bitch, zinc and copper is brass and brass has a long, long, long fucking history by itself. Are you seriously trying to say brass was never used? Ever? I guess it's use in cannon and gun barrels for most of the 18th century well into the 19th century just doesn't count for you. Or maybe you didn't know that? Possibly because you're some dipshit teenager who's parroting shit he reads on the internet but doesn't understand, and so he tries to tell somebody with 23+ years (24 this year) of experience in the manufacturing industry how these things work.
No. You're dumb. Shut the fuck up and go finger-fuck your airsoft toys.
