>be me
>be in my apartment
>see 1200% increase in nearby shootings in the last month
>Apartment rules say no guns in apartment
>4 month left on lease
What do?
Disregard legally unconstitutional rules.
>>28395695
Keep guns in my apartment anyway.
Wuteva. I do wat I want.
>>28395703
Constitution protects you from Uncle Sam not a landlord or property agreement
>>28395695
More like you are drinking the kool-aid 12x as much.
Gun violence has been steadily on the decline for quite some time. The media would have you think otherwise, however.
Also, two rules.
>Don't ask, don't tell.
>Concealed means concealed.
Whatever that means to you.
>hold on guys
>I was about to bring my gun over here and shoot this shit up
>but there's a sign that says no guns.
>my bad. I'll go somewhere else.
it's always worked out so well in the past.
>>28395703
Private property owners can makes rules restricting the possession of guns on their property. This includes inside your apartment or rented house. Gun owner is not a federally protected class of individuals and we are afforded no protections from landlord rules.
Buy a handgun and keep it to yourself. If you get caught and evicted, you'll have a bad time renting again for many years.
>>28395729
No. Constitutional rights are upheld on rented or owned property.
>>28395729
Your person is your property, keep it upon you at all times.
>>28395695
>>Apartment rules say no guns in apartment
This is illegal in Ohio as is the case with many state constitutions.
Check your state gun laws. If not the case where you live, vote. You can cry about living in a liberal shithole all you want but if you don't vote you're the problem.
Also this >>28395706
>>28395695
what state?
>>28395723
Crime statistics from the local police give a usual year having 1 shooting in my area. There were 13 last year, with 8 of them in December. Even if crime is going down on average, its going up right where I am.
>>28395752
>>28395762
I'm sorry but that's not how it works at all. I think it's wrong, like many gun owners, but you need to acknowledge the rule of law on this matter. Only Federally protected status matter in things like this, so just old age, religion, sex, race, and orientation are protected.
>>28395798
California, the only state in the US that doesn't include the right to bear arms in the state constitution.
>>28395695
What exactly are you afraid of?
It's not like a gun is a yappy dog that the neighbors will call you out on. How many times have you heard of a landlord giving the required 24-hour permission to enter, then rooting through all of your personal shit?
>>28395851
It is actually how it works, it's just not how it is enforced.
Those that are covered, shouldn't be.
>>28395862
this.
just be mindful of where you clean (as in don't clean it while on the balcony ect...), and don't leave it lying around the entrance of your place
If they (find out and) ask, say you're holding it for a friend while he vacationing and that it will be gone soon.
>>28395909
>If they (find out and) ask, say you're holding it for a friend
No, you say you don't know what they're talking about and refuse to discuss the matter further.
>>28395895
No, you have no right free speech on my property. If I say you can't bring you gun in my house, that is also enforceable. I can also refuse entry to the press. All these are guaranteed freedoms under the Constitution and none of them apply to private property.
>>28395909
Thats not a problem. I don't clean guns anyway.
>>28395933
sounds like a better idea IF they have no proof of you owning a gun
>>28395768
As far as I know, Ohio only allows protections for CCW holders to have a handgun on the premises. Otherwise the landlord can do whatever.
Buy a safe or lockbox for it. In the event of landlord intrusion there'll be no way for them to know
In the event you defend your home from an intruder you'll have bigger problems anyways, but at least you'll be alive, that is if you truly believe that you want/will be able to use a gun that badly because of these shootings
>>28395695
Not sign any lease agreement that would restrict my gun ownership in the first place...
>>28395695
Rules are created to keep those who are not smart enough to break the rules safely, safe. It's kind of like natural selection for society.
>>28395723
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-editorial-false-alarms-about-a-national-crime-wave/
Very plausible if OP is in Baltimore or St. Louis (read past the headline of link).
>>28395859
so your landlord maybe can
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-in-ca-for-a-landlord-to-prohibit-tenan-1510326.html
and maybe can't
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131114170330AAXdRAb
how specific is the lease? is the no firearms clause under the heading of no illegal activities?
>>28395934
A gun is my property and upon my person.
If you refuse me to enter your house you're refusing my person because of my property.
It depends upon the reason he is denying weapons on the premises.
>>28396023
Landlord doesn't need a reason. No-weapon clauses usually appear as sterile as possible so they can't be challenged. A landlord doesn't have to justify any of their rules, as you can always just lease elsewhere.
>>28395954
You appear to be correct.
(b) A landlord may not prohibit or restrict a tenant who is a licensee and who on or after September 9, 2008, enters into a rental agreement with the landlord for the use of residential premises, and the tenant's guest while the tenant is present, from lawfully carrying or possessing a handgun on those residential premises.
>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126v1
>>28396073
>you can't eat here boy, we don't serve darkies.
>go find somewhere else to eat
(^:
What are they going to do?
Break your lease for you?
>>28396103
I covered the statuses that are federally protected about 3 posts back. Race was one of them, gun owner was not.
>>28396006
No firearms clause is under the "No dangerous materials". Its listed right next to a ban on having explosives in the apartment, and explicitly states no ammo as well.
>>28396117
>>28395895
>It is actually how it works, it's just not how it is enforced
>Those that are covered, shouldn't be.
>>28396131
Simply disagreeing with me isn't an argument. In case you forgot the whole first half of our conversation, I agree with you that it's stupid. Acting like an indignant child over it doesn't actually help the situation.
>>28396129
Well, there goes my pipebomb idea...
>>28395934
>Telling a houseguest "dont bring that here" is totally the same as an actual business transaction for use of property u guize
And here we see the probably nogunz that will sell his shit/shut his mouth/allow poleeps to search when the bank that owns his mortgage tells him to. Point at him, point at him and laugh. Then don't be like him.
>>28396160
I am not the person you're initially talking to.
No one needs to know you own it. Keep it in a locked container of some kind, in case they need to come into the room for maintenance. They do not have the right to make you open a locked container.
keep it in a safe
>>28396219
Verbal contracts are legally binding in my state. Don't want to agree to the terms then you can stay the fuck out. The apartments in question have much the same policy but in ink.
>>28395695
Call the conductor and tell him you have a problem.
>>28395859
Welp, you're fucked, just snackbar the entire complex.
>>28395722
Nope, residential leases are highly regulated.
>>28395729
You misunderstand: Once the lease is signed it's essentially the lessee's property. For example, a landlord generally cannot enter or grant entrance to the leased residence without the lessor's permission even if it's in the lease. You cannot sign away certain rights, and firearms are one of them.
Note: This is residential leases. Commercial and agricultural leases are pretty much laissez-faire.
>>28395695
It's 100% unenforceable in all 50 states.
>>28396251
Not the guy you responded to but how is that enforced?
>>28396278
>You cannot sign away certain rights
It just so happens that the right to have a gun is one of the ones you can sign away. There are no protections for gun owners in the Fair Housing Act, therefor you get no recourse if you landlord bans them on their property. Unless you just move.
>>28396278
>It's 100% unenforceable in all 50 states.
Which would be great if he lived in the states, but he said he was in California. Even if the law had his back, the landlord would just have to say he's crazy, and guns go bye bye without due process.
>>28395695
Is no guns a new rule or is it on the lease you signed?
>Buy handgun
>keep in pelican box next to bed
>close windows before cleaning it
If you have basic common sense, nobody will find out
>>28395695
Do the signs say specifically no guns in the apartments, or are they posted for the common areas? Is it in your lease that you cant have guns? If not, you can have them.
>>28396278
/thread.
>>28396251
See >>28396278
>>28396237
This should have been most obvious answer. Just get a decent safe with a lock on it. I'm not sure about laws regarding renting property wherever you are, but a landlord likely needs to give you some kind of notice before they can even legally come in. If they happen to in the next 4 months and ask what's in the safe just make something up. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.
>>28395695
claim its airshit
Unless you live in Massachusetts (that has a special law for apartment dwellers for things like this), your apartment is someone ells property.
You don't go bringing a gun into somebodies ellses place if they don't want it, the constitution doesn't protect your feelings.
>>28396330
It was added on to the lease. The lease includes a clause that allows for amending the lease with 60 days notice, and that time has passed.
>>28396348
It's in the lease
>>28396407
so you're gonna protect me when some nigga breaks into my window at 03:00?
same rules here in my apartment complex you can't own any firearms but i still keep my 9mm on my desk at all times. getting evicted is the least of my worries when their is an intruder at my door.
>>28396420
Landlord-tenant law generally requires the landlord wait until a new lease is signed before instituting a ban or changing House Rules. Lawyer up if you can afford it or see if your city has a Renter's/Tenant's Union.
>>28396433
Your gun rights end where your landlords property rights begin.
Get a spear.
>>28396465
>mfw i tuck it away from plain sight
>>28396433
It's your prerogative to find a domicile that is weapons-friendly if that is what you want.
Basically impossible to enforce.
The landlord still needs permission to inspect the property. Just hide your gun in a pile of clothes when they come over. It isn't Nazi Germany. They're not allowed to tear through all your personal things looking for shit.
The worst they can do is just kick you out anyways.
My girlfriend kept a cat in her apartment against her lease for 5 months.
So what happens if a thug does break into your apartment? If you use your gun, your lord will find out and make you homeless.
>>28396548
An eviction of that nature can impact your credit score and make finding a new apartment very difficult. Don't get caught.
>>28395695
>What do?
White flight to a nice white neighborhood. If you can't afford said nice white neighborhood, move to Utah or Idaho.
Why do you white people put up with this lowered quality of life for? Do you suffer that much from liberal white guilt that you're afraid of people thinking you're a "racist" because you just want to live in a nice white area?
>>28396567
And i imagine there is no castle doctrine for that, so enjoy getting legally fucked.
>>28396585
>white man...
Go work on adapting Mein Kampf for ice now that it's copyright has expired.
>>28396548
>My girlfriend kept a cat in her apartment against her lease for 5 months.
You do realize that there is a way around this?
There is a clause in the Federal government housing law that states if you have paperwork from a doctor, you are legally allowed to have a "helper animal" in your house or apartment.
This includes dogs AND cats.
There is a website....name is slipping me....but you pay the doctor (he's a legit doctor) $150 and he calls you on the phone. He asks you leading questions and in a week or two he sends you paperwork that states you require a helper animal.
If the landlord tries to evict you, you can sue that motherfucker for violating your Federal rights.
>>28396642
I see where you're going with this. Then the cat buys a gun and it's theirs.
>>28396420
>The lease includes a clause that allows for amending the lease with 60 days notice
that doesn't sound legally binding.
>>28396668
No, claim the gun itself as a helper animal.
>>28395695
Ignore your lease, because you should always ignore your lease.
More importantly, don't be an idiot thinking those shootings have anything to do with you and get jumpy or hostile around your neighbors.That might actually jeopardize your safety.
>>28396630
>now that it's copyright has expired
wait was hitler's estate receiving royalties? were they getting checks from the history channel too?
>>28396668
It's a well-regulated meowlitia!
>>28396696
No, the copyright was held by one of the German states, I think it was Bavaria. But I thought that was only for the original German, that the English translation was exempt or something.
>>28396696
The Bavarian Government had the rights, I read that they were seized in America in 1942 under a WWI law. But because they were technically illegally seized, a surviving member of the Hitler estate could claim the rights and money. There are only two surviving Hitlers in America, both go under different surnames and have stated they wont have children, as to end the Hitler linage. So very little likelihood of that ever happening, full speed on Mein Kampf on ice.
>>28395935
disgusting
>>28395695
How the fuck would they know?
>>28396316
It isn't a ban on owning guns, its a ban on having them in the apartment. So I could own a gun and store it somewhere else and it would be completely fine. But useless.
>>28396707
It's a meowser.
>>28395695
Easy: hang gun out window.
>>28396642
If someone tried this in one of my rentals that little shit would be getting an antifreeze cocktail within a week.
>>28396642
If you are mentally handicapped enough to need a helper animal maybe you shouldn't own a gun.
Those medical records might come back to get ya.
>>28395695
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM
>>28396734
Not having kids because of something you had nothing to do with
That's just pathetic
>>28395695
Leave
Find new apartment
>>28395695
rob the other gun-free apartments
>>28397545
Even the History Channel was pretty dismissive of their plan to end the Hitler blood line. Their reasoning was much the same.
>>28397565
Good
>>28397591
Bad
Live there breaking the rule for 4 months, then find a different apartment.
>>28395768
>if you don't vote you're the problem.
>implying voting is going to make a difference
>implying voting for repubs won't restrict firearms more
>>28395723
national statistics can be on the decline while local statistics are on the rise.
just because Cheyenne WY had zero crime doesnt mean Cincinatti OH didnt see an increase
>get a safe
>transport it in the box
>keep guns in safe
>take guns to and from range in guitar case
Not hard, m8
>>28395851
ok buddy, go ahead and rent some property and tell the wrong tenant they cant have a firearm and see how fast a judge buries a gavel in your asshole
I worked in public housing for 10 years and its just not enforceable
>>28395934
>No, you have no right free speech on my property....
>my property
once you rent out "your property" it ceases to be "your property" and becomes the property of the tenant for the duration of the lease.
many states include in their laws what you may or may not include in a lease, pretty much any judge everywhere is going to nullify any lease requiring a forfieture of a constitutionally gauranteed right.
>>28397876
cool story brah
>>28397932
That's not how it works at all. Only two or three states have laws respecting the right to keep arms in rented property. A lease that prohibits guns is just as enforceable as one that prohibits pets in most all states.
>>28396251
no one is talking about verbal contracts or what is enforceable on your own property where you also reside.
this conversation is about LEASED property wherein the LEASE HOLDER is affored the nearly same rights on their leased property as the owner
people dont seem to understand that when you lease your residential property you cant put in the terms of the lease rules rescinding peoples constitutional rights.
and while there may not be a codified law in your state stating that it is spcifically illegal a judge is going to tell the property owner to get fucked.
Ive seen it happen over this specific issue
Ive seen the property owner loose in appeals as well.
>>28396734
>both go under different surnames and have stated they wont have children, as to end the Hitler linage.
Thats fucking stupid.
>>28398007
>you cant put in the terms of the lease rules rescinding peoples constitutional rights
Yeah you can. It's done all the time with guns, since gun owner is not protected under the Fair Housing Act.
>>28396407
>your apt is someone elses property
thats the thing about renting, its considered the renters property
>>28396075
Yup. That's one of the things I enjoy about living in Ohio. The governor says that no individual has a right to interfere with your right as an american citizen to carry a firearm since it is constitutional law. This is of course within reason and with some exception but for the most part i like it.
>get new job
>manager going over policy. says weapons aren't permitted
>"do you have posted signs on the premises stating that firearms arent permitted on the property and advising that there is no security and the employees are unarmed"?
>"umm.....n-n-no..."
>"good. you'd be an idiot to advertise to every dopehead and homie passing by here that they could just walk in and steal everything and nobody could stop them"
>"........."
>"yeah. i have my gun. i'll akways have my gun. next policy please".
All employees know that i'm packing. A few of the soccer mom co-workers have complaimed that it makes them uncomfortable. Manager approached me about it. Printed off the Ohio revised code and had it folded up in my wallet. This was never mentioned again. Several other employees started bringing their guns to work too.
>>28395695
Depending on where you live you can legally ignore it.
For example, despite our blue tendencies sometimes, the state of Minnesota bans landlords from forbidding renters having firearms. If you are a renter in MN and your landlord posts any sort of sign, you do not have to abide by it and the landlord CANNOT legally evict you if they discover you have firearms in your space.
>>28398037
Your property is yours under the terms of the lease, which can say things like no guns or pets. That's totally enforceable in like 47 states.
>>28396642
The problem there is, that's an ADA issue. Under the ADA, the landlord can ask you "what major life activity the animal is trained to assist you with". I put the quotes in there because the wording is important. They give the wrong answer, you can evict them all you want. And then laugh when they try to sue you, because judges have zero tolerance for ADA fraud.
>>28398082
"in reaching assistance if I should become incapacitated"
Not that I condone fraud.
>>28397386
if someone killed my pet i would retaliate by permanently crippling them or their children.
better watch out who you fuck with, internet tough guy
>>28396339
underrated
just get the goddamn gun and don't tell anyone. if you need to use it you have a lot more to worry about than your lease. I cant believe you guys are seriously arguing about giving it away.
If the lease states no guns I wouldn't rock the boat and take up gun collecting but at least stash a nice 357 in the nightstand.
>>28397954
>laws
codified laws are only one facet of the law
if your state constitution already gaurantees RTKBA but no statute specifically protecting it, you should still be fine because of precedent rulings
>>28396602
"I managed to wrestle the gun away from him, but he pulled a knife and kept coming!"
>>28398141
Again that's not how it works. You are obliged to the terms of your lease. If you pull some sovereign citizen shit 3 months into your lease and demand you have a right to bear arms despite your rental agreement, you're going to get evicted.
>>28397386
>property owner
>tenant has animal despite lease terms
>costs too much to have tenant evicted
>poison his pet
>get arrested for animal cruelty
>$25,000 bail
>get sued for creating a hostile living condition for my tenant
>End up losing tens of thousands of dollars, get a criminal record, spend a couple nights of hot loving with bubba
>All to avoid probably less than $300 worth of cleaning and renovation to the property after the tenants lease has ended
"I'm so tough and edgy guys".
>>28396268
underrated post
>>28398096
That's not an ADA covered task or function. Here. Get educated.
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
>>28398175
This is why would should always trap nuisance pets and let them out somewhere in a hostile environment at least 100 miles away.
>>28398159
Evidently you are not aware that you cannot sign away your rights.
Buy a pistol and to hell with them.
Dont forget to buy a safe.
>>28398018
>The Fair Housing Act.
is one aspect of the law.
its a single overarching federally codified law to create a MINIMUM STANDARD to protect tenants.
tha FHA is not the "be all, end all" of rental law.
states and localities may go further in providing protection to a renter, such as the previous example of OH that an anon listed.
and just because the federal codified law does not include the bill of rights as a protected status does not mean that you can just make up some paperwork and fuck people out of their rights.
again, state and local law and precedent have a major influence on what you can and cannot do as a renter
>>28398186
I mean, I'm not personally interested in committing fraud but succeeding would be as easy as reading your link.
>>28398175
That's a nice little fantasy world you live in Anon :^)
Don't like it, buy your own house where you can have all the pissing little pets you want.
>>28398071
there is no constitutionally protected right to keep and bear pets.>>28398071
it is not even remotely enforceable.
>>28398190
see
>>28398018
>>28398197
Only like 3 states have laws protecting a tenant's right to keep arms in a rented property. In 47 states it's just as enforceable as no pets.
>>28398175
>not having tenant sign a month to month lease with the landlord's ability to cancel lease for any reason with at least one month notice.
Its like you have never rented a property before. Ive kicked out so many tenants because they violated their lease in some way or another. They never end up getting their security deposit back either. Not because im a dick but because their lease violation is usually damage to the property. Current tenant has another two weeks of their final month because they spray painted shit on the side of a burned down garage with the excuse of "its going to be torn down anyway so whats the problem?" Gave them their 30 days notice right then.
>>28398220
It is enforceable since you're going to get evicted if caught. No court is going to overturn that.
>>28398082
they cant ask it that way.
they are allowed to ask "what is the service animal is trained to do?"
they cannot ask anything about a persons disability or anything that alludes to what that disability might be
Can a rental agreement tell you that you are not allowed to vote in an election?
Can a rental agreement tell you that you ARE allowed to own slaves?
>>28398175
Different anon here. One medium sized dog can do thousands of dollars of damage to a 3 bedroom apartment. New carpet throughout, dressing and sealing the concrete slab under the carpet because you'll never get the smell of dog piss out, it has to be sealed in. New doors on all below-counter kitchen cabinetry because the poor bastard was locked up alone in the apartment for 10 hours a day and chewed on everything. Baseboard molding was destroyed, likewise door trim and windowsills.
We were supposed to flip an apartment in 3 days. Ones with dogs averaged closer to 10 days because of the extra work and scheduling the additional trades. So you also get to factor in the week of lost rent, which is your $300 right there.
>>28398159
>you're going to get evicted.
no, you'll get an eviction "notice" which you'll challenge in court, then the landlord has to explain to a judge why they felt the need to infringe on the rights of their fellow americans and why they feel they have authority not granted to them by the law.
then the judge nullifys the lease or the part of the lease requiring the tenant to forfeit their rights.
>>28398207
Most people don't bother with even rudimentary research. They slap a blue vest on fluffy, claim emotional support, and it's good enough for 90% of the places they go into. Watching them get rekt, humiliated, and tossed out of the other 10% is well worth watching. And very, very educational.
>>28398228
yeah you keep saying that over and over and over.
but you're fucking wrong, ive told you why and you just keep saying the same shit like your argument is getting better with age
also
>pets.
pets and guns arent the same thing dipshit.
>>28398250
Read the link. They can ask if it's a service animal because of a disability, and they can ask what work or task its been trained to perform.
Here, I'll post it again-
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
>>28398321
I don't know what more I can tell you aside from you're wrong and being an asshat doesn't make you right. The law on the matter is quite clear and I can excuse ignorance, but you're crossed the line into rude arrogance. Good day.
no one cares about the fucking pets you autists.
>>28398296
An American judge might, but a Commiefornian judge would go ahead with the eviction just to weaken the 2nd amendment.
>>28395695
Buy 4 of these things.
Be wary, a good tap can fire off the trigger.
>>28398363
I think I'd take my chances with a blackpowder revolver or two
>>28396642
Oh man do I hate that bullshit.
My step-sister's roommate in college did that bullshit so she could take her surrogate-child cat with her everywhere.
And it wasn't that she lied, or that the thing was mangy, but that she was so fucking smug about it.
>>28395695
Say your gun is your waifu. A man can't be denied his waifu. Only allah/God/Jesus/Buddha/spooky angel can.
>>28398536
>>28398363
>these are specifically prohibited in Austrailia
:(
>>28395695
Just ignore it.
>>28395722
No, you are signing a contract and agreeing to their terms. If you do not like how they handle crap, you do not need to live there.
>>28398489
I work at a facility that's open to the public and I deal with ADA bullshit all the time. Once a woman came in with a somewhat large purse, and after a while I noticed she had some tiny dog inside it. After I asked if the dog was a service animal, she said no, "she provides emotional support" and I told her she couldn't have the dog inside the building. She said "Well if people ask anywhere else I go I'll just say she's a service animal" with this smug look on her face.
On the flip side, one of my coworkers once didn't allow a legit ADA service dog from coming into the building because he thought there were no animals allowed.
>>28398770
Little spoiler, if you do this with an animal, you lose your gun rights.
It's a de-facto statement that you are too mentally unwell to deal with life without a support animal, of which you need a doctor to sign off on.
>>28398781
You're talking about "emotional support animals" and not actual service dogs, right?
>>28398799
Yes.
>>28398803
Something tells me that most people carrying chihuahuas around like little princesses probably don't own guns anyway, but good to know.
>>28398817
99% of those people don't actually have the paperwork and signoffs done, they just say "lol support animal."
The actual process of getting it done is a pain in the ass.
>>28395722
>Constitution protects you from Uncle Sam not a landlord or property agreement
Nonsense, you can't sign away your inalienable human rights even if you wanted to.
Your right to life trumps corporate policy.
>>28398847
enjoy the outcome of using that in a civil suit.
>>28395723
>Gun violence has been steadily on the decline for quite some time.
While it's true that nation wide, the murder rate has been declining since 1993, crime has always been predominantly a local issue and can vary widely from place to place.
The city of Detroit for example has maintained and average 400 murders per year average since the 70s regardless of the national murder rate.
It's perfectly possible for local conditions to quickly deteriorate but with only 4 months on a lease, I'd suggest getting a gun now regardless of the landlords policy and moving this spring.
>>28396316
> There are no protections for gun owners in the Fair Housing Act
The 2nd Amendment precludes and supersedes the Fair Housing Act.
>>28398863
OP, where do you live?
My mom's neighborhood was also a target of a crime wave starting from last year, when prop 47 was passed. Of course this report of multiple armed men breaking and robbing at gunpoint is disturbing.
>DESU I'm somewhat glad prop 47 passed. This will teach liberals about the stupidity of their idealism, and maybe get a few of them to reexamine their convictions and get armed.
>>28398861
> Hi, I’d like to rent that apartment.
> Sure, but you have to suck my dick every month
> What?! No way!
> Sorry, them’s the rules.
> Well… if you say so.
>>28398331
you just reiterated exactly what I said.
>>28398817
>>28398823
Not true. My mom actually has a chihuahua emotional support dog. All she needed was a paper signed from a mental health professional stating it was an emotional support dog for her PTSD.
>>28398333
And he is telling you the same thing.
>>28395935
>Thats not a problem. I don't clean guns anyway.
If you don't train with said firearm, you probably shouldn't be relying on one for protection. You would be putting yourself and others in your apartment building in danger.
>>28398770
Support dogs aren't service dogs, they don't get a pass into no pet zones. They just get an exemption when it comes to housing.
>>28397803
>he didn't vote third party
Part of the problem desu.
>>28395805
13 a year is pathetically low. Your local niggas are really underachievers.
>>28398847
That doesn't matter unfortunately. When you sign the agreement basically what you agreed to stands. Like the other guy said you will lose in court.
>>28395695
Check local law to make sure that the apartment is legally allowed to make such restrictions. In Minnesota there is a ststute specifically barring landlords from restricting the lawful possession or carry of firearms by tenants or their guests.
If it turns out they can't, do what you want and dare them to try and kick you out. If they can, buy a gun and keep it there anyway
>>28395695
Do you have the ability to CC legally?
If so, your gun will always be on you and your landlord won't find any firearms lying around if they do a random welfare check.
If you have to use it in or around the apartment, I think the danger of a lawsuit from a broken contract is worth surviving a deadly encounter.
>>28396005
I seriously regret clicking that link.
I mean, if you wanted to, you could probably restrict who rents from you based on their political viewpoints as well. You could say "no commies" or "no republicans" and get away with it as they're not a protected class. Or "no hybrid owners". "No rap music is allowed on the premises". Your constitutional rights are not protected when you search for housing, it's just illegal to deny housing based on protected classes.
>>28402442
Imagine IF we made firearms owners a protected class.
All gun control would be ruled discrimination and evaporate.
>>28399598
I SAID GOOD DAY
>>28402811
GOOD DAY.
>>28395695
>buy gun
>keep gun in apartment
>if super barges in and sees you cleaning your gun leon the professional style, sue his ass for violating lease laws by not giving you 24hr notice of a visit
shotgun in a baseball bat bag m8
>>28403026
Yeah, you're only really fucked if you have to use it. You get to deal with the police and being evicted at the same time.
>>28403044
he might be in commiefornia, but if he gets home invaded and plants some dindus in the ground the last thing his super and neighbors are going to care about is his gun. From a landlord perspective having a frequently criminally victimized complex tanks property value and lease income tremendously. from a neighbor perspective even if you were the most librul of trans nightkin progressive the threat of people breaking into your home becomes much more real when it happens right down the hall: reality is a hell of a drug.
>>28403080
No, you're going to be evicted if you violate your landlord's no guns or explosives rules by shooting someone. Like you said, reality is a hell of a drug, you should come to it sometime.
>>28398042
>>get new job
>>manager going over policy. says weapons aren't permitted
>>"do you have posted signs on the premises stating that firearms arent permitted on the property and advising that there is no security and the employees are unarmed"?
>>"umm.....n-n-no..."
>>"good. you'd be an idiot to advertise to every dopehead and homie passing by here that they could just walk in and steal everything and nobody could stop them"
>>"........."
>>"yeah. i have my gun. i'll akways have my gun. next policy please".
>All employees know that i'm packing. A few of the soccer mom co-workers have complaimed that it makes them uncomfortable. Manager approached me about it. Printed off the Ohio revised code and had it folded up in my wallet. This was never mentioned again. Several other employees started bringing their guns to work too.
I'm surprised you weren't fired, honestly. Not saying you deserve it.
>>28403110
>evict occupant
>occupant makes stink on every website on the internet
>having a section8 ghetto tier apartment complex tanks your property value and rent rate
>people move out at end of their leases because the complex is going down the tubes with all these robberies
>get sued for not respecting 24hour notice rules when your super barge in post shooting
or
>keep the status quo
>anon finishes up his 4 months in the building
apartments aren't like the government, they selectively enforce retarded stipulations.
>>28395695
Your life is more important than some stupid rule or even getting kicked out of your apartment. Just keep it well hidden.
>>28403156
If you're counting on your apartment selectively not enforcing their no guns or explosives policy after you shoot someone you're fucking retarded. Prepare to look for a new home if it happens.
>>28403169
>perform act of legal self defense
>lack of security/security systems/proticols in the building fail utterly
>a business concerned with you preventing your own murder in your domicile or concerned that they have people performing home invasions in thier building
>being this asshurt about a stipulation that lets them evict drug dealers and shitheels for pulling glock 40's in the common area
this isn't a law situation where punishments are applied with a large brush with no regard for circumstance, it's a rental agreement stipulation that if you had followed would have resulted in your death.
this isn't a college dorm type thing were muh zero tolerance and random room checks occur m8
>>28403243
Violating the no guns or explosives clause in your lease will result in your eviction. Acting like an indignant child now or later when you're being evicted wont help things.
Worst case scenario they break my lease?
Absolutley no fucks given.
>>28395695
Unless it was in the lease that you signed, they can't do shit.
Also re-read your lease and figure out under which circumstances they can do inspections.
>>28403319
This is the attitude you should have. Acknowledge it's a possibility, and prepare for that eventuality.
>>28403303
>wanting to live in the white flight encroaching ghetto where building occupants are the victims of home invasions/ murder
are you autistic enough to not understand that most buildings have this thing called an "owner" that you can physically talk to? they can either take your money or have a blood stained unit in an unleasable building to deal with.
>>28403319
fukkin this
the irony is that with 4 months and the intent to move between eviction proceedings and squatters rights you could practically finish out your lease rent free.
>>28403381
You know that you're going to loose the proceedings and then you'll be monetarily liable for all the squatting you did. You're taking a trip down Wage Garnishment St.
>>28403381
> eviction proceedings and squatters rights you could practically finish out your lease rent free
and never be able to rent again
>>28402189
Top kek, my friend.
Think of it this way.
What is worse for the landlord? A dead tenant or a tenant that's alive because they used a firearm to defend themselves?
Fuck it, just keep a firearm anyway. Hide it away or some shit.
What he doesn't grow won't burn him
>>28403416
>>28403433
>woe is me I'll only have 1-3 months to find a new place after eviction proceedings commence
>better just get murdered instead
guess on some chains rest lightly
>>28396268
This is most correct.
Surefire way to win.
>>28402360
I need to have a gun before I can even apply for CC permit.
>Living in an apartment where criminals know there will be no armed resistance
>Not getting a firearm
If you're not going to arm yourself then FFS at least leave all your nice shit in the middle of the room, wrapped up and hope that the home invader appreciates your effort enough to only rape you a bit.
>>28395695
Keep a gun in your apartment anyway. Quit being a wishy-washy faggot.
>>28397386
If you pull that on me as a landlord, you'll get a bullet between the eyes.
>>28395695
Fuck them, not like they are searching your apartment weekly. Also if there is a home invasion then it is better to ask for forgiveness for breaking their rule then getting capped by some thug.
>>28405410
What will you be firing this bullet out of if you don't allow guns?
