Been confused but this stormtrooper in the movie pulls out the anti jedi weapon which is deployed ready for use.
Then he spins it around into the same position??? What was the purpose of spinning it around from a weapons standpoint if the weapon is already deployed? Is this an implication like the old west where they spun their weapons around during battle to psych out the enemy by blowing their minds?
>>28373873
Becase jayjay is a fucking hack director who couldn't cheorograph and direct a fight scene if his goddamn life depended on it.
It's kinda like when Jedi whirl their blade around when they activate it.
It doesn't do anything, it just looks cool on film.
>>28373889
Stop being a little bitch.
>28373873
Because it looks cool
>>28373873
It could just be his thing that gets him pumped up. I like to kiss my mags before inserting them.
>>28373916
you know I'm right nigga
>>28373905
This.
Also, he deploys it out, away from his body. He assumes the Jedi is a major threat, so he spins it around so its in line with his forearm. That's how you use a tonfa-style weapon.
I mean, if you're looking for realism in a Star Wars movie, this seems like a minor point.
>>28373889
This! Two stock blaster JJ is a fucking retard, and the new Star Wars sucked Wampa rectum.
Its fucking escrima. Using a tonfa or pr24 type weapon is common and this type of action is pretty common. And if anything else because it looks cool.
>>28373948
Whoa, whoa, whoa...don't try bring facts and realism to this. Next it'd be on why stormtroopers don't use the folding stock on their blasters.
>>28373918
>I like to kiss my mags before inserting them.
That doesn't make you special here faggot.
>>28373961
This man has a point, Starkiller Base should be receiving much more criticism, that was a bullshit plot device all the way around.
>>28373994
>Next it'd be on why stormtroopers don't use the folding stock on their blasters.
Which one? The folding stock or the M4 stock?
I couldn't take any of this movie seriously after they revealed Kylo fuccboi
Guy looks like the kind of person who posts pictures of himself with a katana and fedora on deviantart with a poorly drawn mlp OC shopped in.
>>28373873
You're concerned with the realism of how it's deployed, but not how it's used to withstand a super-flashlight?
>>28374001
I didn't say it made me special retard.
Because it's cuck wars, it's not supposed to make sense.
>>28373994
>why stormtroopers don't use the folding stock on their blasters
Actually, this one makes sense. Every piece of documentation says the E-11 is a good rifle. Hell, it eats up the new Battlefront pretty well. But Stormtroopers themselves can't hit shit.
The folding stock solves this. The stock gives stability and accuracy, the Stormtroopers don't use it and therefore are inaccurate.
>>28374020
holy shit
I'm gonna skip this and watch The Revenant instead.
>>28374024
Don't get defensive that you haven't popped your raifu cherry yet, faggot, it will happen when you're ready.
>>28373905
Flourishes do serve a purpose.
Running your wrist and arm though the range of motion lets you limber up and steady your grip. Without that it's easy to be too tense and stiff.
It's a tonfa. You're supposed to have it held up against your forearm to block blows. He lengthens it, and spins it around to put it in the correct position. Looks fancy and superfluous, but it's just a cool way of deploying it correctly.
>>28374040
buddy of mine saw it, said it was so so
TRAITOR!
>>28373905
Perhaps the twirling of the weapon is based off the marines who twirl their weapons in battle to show off to their enemies the deadly skill Marines have with the weapon?
>>28374038
>le inaccurate stormtroopers meme
They're pretty damn good at killing enemies without plot armor
>>28374040
Good choice actually
>>28374122
>Disney
>Marines
>SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3woEDTUbDYg
>>28373990
>police are trained to twirl their hitting sticks about
Hmm ive been through police training with the PR24 and was never taught to spin it about like a baton to increase its effectiveness?
If anything twirling a PR24 or tonfa based weapon results in a lack of control and opens the user up to a windo of attack while the twirling takes place.
>>28374020
Fucking this
At first, I was like, this is gonna be a cool new villain, kinda similar to Vader
Then he took off his mask and he's literally just an edgy teen with anger issues and daddy issues
>>28374135
Such as? The Tantive 4 was pretty even, plenty of full transports left Hoth, I didn't see shit for rebel bodies on Endor...where did you see accurate Stormtroopers?
>>28374021
>You're concerned with the realism of how it's deployed, but not how it's used to withstand a super-flashlight?
Its already said in the movie it stops light sabers which are weak weapons the Jedi use as a crutch since they are useless in combat without their precious "light sabers" and "force powers"
>>28374020
>Guy looks like the kind of person who posts pictures of himself with a katana and fedora on deviantart with a poorly drawn mlp OC shopped in.
Congrats retard, that's the fucking point.
Kylo Ren is a complete fucking fanboy.
>Has darth vader's mask on a pedestal in his room
>Has a mask, not for any breathing problems, but because he sounds cool like his hero, darth vader
>Goes on little autistic temper tantrums over dumb shit
>Has a crossguard on his lightsaber because he thinks he's a knight
It's an interesting villian and way better than a darth vader 2.0
>>28374092
>He lengthens it, and spins it around to put it in the correct position
bu-but its already in the correct position when deployed??? spinning it around didnt extend it or lengthen it, wtf r u smoking???
>>28374040
Pretty badass movie. Dicaprio looks like hes about 75 years old though.
I still don't know how the stormtrooper knew Finn was a traitor.
They aren't all clones, so it isn't like he would have necessarily known his face or just had sporadic knowledge of it.
Maybe it was his display in his helmet? But then wouldn't all of the other troopers have known too?
>>28373873
Why do they have anti-jedi weapons when there are no jedi? They expecting this stormtrooper to take on that Luke Skywalker they don't even know the location of?
>>28374164
>>28374020
>tfw kylo did whiny anakin better than anakin
>>28374203
Why do they have anti-jedi weapons when there are no jedi?
because anyone can pick up and use a light saber.
>>28374203
If they find out that a stun baton works pretty well for deflecting lightsabers, why not use it just in case?
>>28374145
It's actually a pretty effective method when using it against an armed attacker. The arm length along with the speed at which you spin provides a good amount of force, and is used for disarming or breaking of limbs.
So everyone else realizes this whole movie was pretty much just A New Hope repackaged right? I mean I was trying to think "nah, it's just similar in some regards but not a rip-off" but then we got to fucking star killer base blowing up planets, later to be blow up by the fucking rebels.
Holy shit, how lazy can you get?
>>28374217
Lots of those floating around the galaxy. A retarded exasperated version used by your whiny master and another hidden in a turtle's box, you totally destroyed his kind of dumb argument.
>>28374203
It isn't necessarily an anti-jedi weapon.
iirc, stun batons used the General Grevious' guards had the ability to block them too, so maybe it's just the specific type of stun weapons in use in the period can also block sabers?
>>28374020
Yfw he's actually a marine turned actor
Seems like all the pretty marines become actors.
>>28374244
Only the retarded fanboys don't acknowledge this.
>>28374256
Sabers were never very effective at cutting or slicing anyways their just shiny light based things, ever heard of the sun killing people with its shiny light??? yea I didnt think so..
IMO Tonfa's are the only legit traditional martial arts weapon. Those things have reach and will fuck bad guys up.
>>28374244
>inb4 Rey has to carry Luke around on her back during training in the next movie
>>28374259
That explains how he was able to effectively portray being an entitled little bitch.
>>28374217
There were... 2 in the entire movie, one of which was carried by an ally.
>>28374244
>>28374244
Yes, everyone realizes that.
>>28373873
The stormtrooper has Josh Brolin's body
>>28373873
the handle is fixed. when he spins it around, it winds up the motor in the handle, so it electrifies the end.
sort of like one of those wind-up radios they make for use in africa.
Obviously.
>>28374193
So Dicaprio didn't give you your usual boner? Is it his job to be sexy for you?
>>28374333
holy fuck nigger you don't think they have batteries?
>>28374361
Of course not. If they had batteries, you wouldn't have to spin them.
>>28374140
Lol think I popped a hemorrhoid I laughed so hard
>>28374318
>OMG, it a super secret celebrity cameo!
Fuck JJ Abrams right in the culero with a concussed porcupine.
>>28374278
>tonfas best traditional martial arts weapon
good luck with that against ninja stars my friend.
>>28373873
It looked like a nightstick and he was going to beat a nigga with it.
>>28374333
>spinning charges up the weapon.
then how come no other weapon has to be spun about considering their all laser guns and light sabers.
They just work!
>>28374400
Well I mean he pretty much is Galactic police, and Finn is black, so
>>28373889
>>28373978
>shitting on the episode 7 fight choreography
Did you see the abortions that were the prequels? At least these fighys had choreography.
>>28374078
>>28374078
>>28374078
>>28374078
This a thousand times.
>>28374020
>that nose
>>28374333
Is there any proof that the weapon needs to be spun about to charge it up? what is a reference weapon with similar characteristics in the SW universe....
ANSWER: NONE!
>>28374403
They spin them up off screen before the fights happen, obviously. The baton doesn't hold a charge as well.
ITT 5 people don't understand sarcasm.
>>28374279
Abrams isn't directing the next film so it won't be a crappy rehash of Empire.
>>28374181
No, when he extends the end it's "backwards" the long part should be along his forearm as a blocker
>>28374420
>>28374403
>>28374361
Are Star Wars fans this autistic?
Do you people not understand sarcasm?
>>28374197
The book released at the same time of the movie details Finn's past as a trooper and the members of his squad. So it's assumed TR-8R is one of past comrades.
>>28374438
JJ didn't write the damn thing solo.
>>28374413
Are you retarded? The prequels had tons of choreography in the duels... that was the fucking problem. They were like scientifically exact dance steps, not emotion filled battles. The story and shit was awful in the prequels, and the story was especially awful in the The Jew Awakens because it was literally A New Hope with new special effects and a Mary Sue lead character.
>>28374438
You think Rey will lose a hand too, like Luke and Annie before her?
>>28373873
How did this guy even know the other random person he sees on the field is a traitor?
>>28373978
It's a folding foregrip.
>/k/ related thread: 4 replies
>thread about Star Wars/oil change intervals/furry porn/stew recipes: 264 replies | 145 images
>>28374361
What kind of batteries would a weapon of the empire utilize considering their all based off plasma coil inverter technology. I highly doubt any form of "batteries" are used in the weaponry of the era.
>This thread
>>28374474
Bullshit fan fiction. That blaster is based off a Sterling, and JJ "I'm gunga take yer guns" Abrams couldn't seperate his head from his ass long enough to do something correctly, then he proceeded to shit on a movie franchise, that let's be honest, was already down like a crippled elderly woman.
>>28374168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfLyMAHrQE&t=3m0s
>Rebels have every tactical advantage.
>Storm troopers breach and clear entire ship only taking 2-3 casualties.
Litterly the first thing they tried to do with the storm troopers was establish they were better than every thing else.
>>28374511
The empire supports gun ownership, all the stormtroopers have guns if you watch the movies and are trained in how to use them.
>>28374537
>Litterly the first thing they tried to do with the storm troopers was establish they were better than every thing else.
then how come stormtroopers have poor marksmanship? Why are there no sniper stormtroopers or stormtroopers with explosive based weaponry like bazookas or rocket launchers?
>>28374178
For the last time, it's not a cross guard.
He can't properly build his own saber, it's exhaust vents. Notice his beam is all raggedy and unequal? And it sounds like trash compared to Lukes and it's beam?
And during the Knights of Ren massacre flashback, he's the only one with a saber in the group.
>>28374460
A New Hope also has a "Mary Sue" lead by your logic
>>28374273
>Lightsabers
>never very effective at cutting or slicing
>>28374538
And the guy who directed the film made them the losers who lost a fucking weaponized planet.
>Checkmate midichlorians
>>28374554
midichlorians have always been canon in the SW universe its where Jedis get their mind powers from.
>>28374544
There are multiple uses of rocket launchers and sniper rifles in Canon material
>>28374203
It's a riot control weapon, you'll notice he has a smaller baton and a shield that he drops prior to deploying his fuck off stick.
>>28374170
You missed my point entirely. Op is arguing the realism in a decidedly unrealistic scenario.
>>28374554
how come when killing a jedi they dont drink the blood of their foe or consume them to gain their midichlorians?
>>28374545
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but is actually kinda is a crossguard.
I mean that isn't what it was designed for, they're exhaust vents because Kylo uses a cracked crystal for some reason (to be edgy?)
But yeah it does double as a crossguard, as gay as that is.
>>28374547
Luke had to train his powers dumbass.
>>28374572
>Op is arguing the realism in a decidedly unrealistic scenario.
Speaking as a intelligence officer, how is battlefield strategy unrealistic?
>>28374580
>crossguard has no function
Its proved to be a cross guard in the movie because no light saber can pass through the cross guard.
>>28374580
except a lightsaber would slice right through the metal of those "exhaust vents"
>>28374573
They use a tank girl style dehydrator.
IV drip that shit while they sleep.
>>28374573
Well, I don't have any canonical backing on this, but much in the way you can't drink someone's blood to change your bloodtype, and can't recieve transfusions from people of different bloodtypes, I would assume that it's just something you're born with and can't change, at least not not that easily.
>>28374573
why not culture the midichlorians, grow them, put them in a pill, eat the pill?
or snort the motherfuckers?
>>28374505
TRAITOR
>>28374273
>ever heard of the sun killing people with its shiny light???
You do realize that earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere prevent exactly that from happening, right?
>>28374595
I didn't say it didn't have a function, iirc he used to to burn Finn's shoulder when they were fighting at the end.
It's just that it looks pretty gay.
>>28374596
I don't think so
>>28374596
>>28374580
>>28374595
I'm assuming those cross guards have a power adjusting mechanism capable of reducing its cutting ability while still maintaining enough power to block laser bolts and lightsaber swings (Like the younglings sabers)
>>28374596
>herp, derp. Lightsabers cut through crossguards.
Not if the metal is made of the same material the anti light saber weapons are made out of.
Checkmate!
>>28374596
You're ignoring cortosis, mandalorian iron, and all the other lightsaber resistant materials. On top of the fact that the metal of the vents could simply be shrouds surrounding the beam so as to protect your hand from slippage, so if you were to cut through the metal you would simply hit beam.
>>28374567
>There are multiple uses of rocket launchers and sniper rifles in Canon material
I didnt see any explosive weapons the troopers carried in the new SW movie Force Awakens?
What movie did you see?
>>28373873
if this weapon can block light sabers which stop lasers, then why dont the troopers twirl it in front of them to block the rebel laser fire?
>>28374625
No, they're literally just plasma exhaust vents.
Kylo uses a cracked crystal in his saber, which makes the blade unstable and I guess it gets too hot, so he has exhausts to vent off the excess heat from the core
>>28374612
There's a couple theories on that, one is that its exactly what Plageius did to make Anakin such a powerful Force Sensitive, which apparently transferred to his children (and their grandchildren).
Other theories though, say that Midichlorians aren't responsibile for the powers, they're just a byproduct or attracted by it. As such, they're good indicators of force capability, but generally do nothing otherwise. This would also partially explain why no one cares about them after the first movie.
>>28374580
This is a guess, but he probably uses a cracked crystal due to there being a lack of good quality crystals.
It could also explain why the First Order uses the crystals to power they're replacements for turbo lasers on ships. They might be not high enough quality for a saber, or there's an impurity that makes them power suitable for lasers/shipborne blasters.
>>28374178
This. I thought he was an interesting character if only because he's just an edgy kid acting a lot tougher than he actually is. He's not the usual badass, just a douchey little tryhard.
>>28374655
Why don't they have personal force fields?
Damn, Star Wars is fucking stupid
>>28374662
are midichlorians living beings such as can they be captured or killed? Do they have cities or social stratification of any kind? What are their reproduction rituals?
>>28374668
Also possible
There isn't much about it in the movie, and I haven't read the novel yet, so who really knows?
>>28374662
That's a pretty good explanation. They're like force herpes
>>28374588
>arguing realism
>in star wars
I have no doubt that you're an officer.
>>28374655
If I was a stormtrooper I would carry my rifle and baton. Into battle I would spin the baton deflecting all incoming fire then when reaching the enemies or seeing the whites of their eyes would kill all of them like a total badass.
>Arguing about realism & minor details of a movie about space wizards with lazer swords.
>>28374678
Dunno, it seems to consist off "be with people who are force powerful"
>>28374689
That's probably a nice way to put it.
>>28374178
Yeah this.
He's like someone I would expect to shoot up his school, an unliked emo whatever.
>>28374677
This actually bothered the fuck out of me in Episode 1 where the droid army has nearly indestructible force fields that just disappear for every other movie, until the Skykiller Base shield that is easily defeated by lead footed flyers.
>>28374668
I think this is it, because the Empire was supposed to have regulated crystals like fuck, they might be super hard to find, but this got me thinking, Vader's saber fell into the energy well with Sidious. What if the saber was destroyed but the crystal survived, albeit cracked?
>>28374637
I, II, III, IV, V, and VI
>>28374732
Red lightsaber crystals are artificially made which is why they are red.
>ITT people confuse a fantasy film with science fiction and complain it's not realistic or makes sense
>>28374744
That doesn't mean they can't be regulated or hard to come by.
>>28374001
Or just like, anything. I mean, why don't we talk about why the stormtrooper armor is white? Or how is provides zero protection? It's mentioned in the movie the masks they wear don't even filter toxins.
>>28374765
You mean like how meth is artificially made yet hard to come by?
Star Wars is fucking stupid.
If you can make the crystals every motherfucker should be running around with a red lightsaber and personal forcefields like the droids had. Blasters would be only useful for hunting.
>>28373873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z05WGLTDJbg
>>28374800
The Hutts should be making a shit ton of money off those crystals.
>>28374800
I thought only force-sensitives could use lightsabers effectively, and they took tons of practice not to decapitate yourself?
>>28374715
Isn't that basically what happened?
>>28374616
Oh look a scientist. Tell us how magnets work, genius.
>>28374836
then you thought correctly. finn confirmed for force sensitive. meaning he'll be the new protagonist after Rey goes to the dark side.
>>28374836
Not sure if that's true or not, but Finn was really shit with a lightsaber. I'm surprised Ren didn't outright kill him immediately.
>>28374836
Boba Fett uses a lightsaber in the EU and fights Vader with it. He holds his own too.
>>28374800
It's more like artificial diamonds you fucktard. It's a complicated process that requires technical expertise and expensive equipment.
>>28374862
>the EU
the EU is a massive sack of shit though. only force users were supposed to be able to use lightsabers well. everyone else gets vibroblades.
>>28374637
Not that anon but for one thing 7 ignores literally everything in the books
>>28374768
>Why is stormtrooper armor white?
So the best of the best can be seen in all their imperial glory on the battlefield, obviously.
That commander in their shiny not-mando variant was obviously shiny for the same reason.
Also because economies of scale and the First Order might be using legacy equipment and/or can't afford to retool the production/can't get a new suit that's better enough to make retooling the production lines worth it.
>Zero protection
All the shots into it we we see in the movie were either from fuckoff powerful weaponry (bowcaster, Han's DL-44) or were shot by characters with plot armor into center mass at close range. Could be more of an M1 pot philosophy, if they get shot they're toast but keeping the shrapnel off will keep them combat effective.
>Not filtering toxins
That's a resource intensive feature to add. Why give everyone the ability when for less time and resources you can have a special NBC corps?
Also so the MCs would have an excuse to hide in the not-smuggling hole from the people that tractor beamed them, Just Like In The Originals!!1!
So plot, essentially.
>>28374875
It's a laser sword, you don't need the force to use a sword.
>>28374836
Effectively is the key word. Even a near total replacement cyborg like Grievous who could fight pretty well with them was lacking in the precognitive flow Jedi/Sith use when fighting and could only really keep up because of his augmentations.
>>28374875
>vibroblades
Finally something about Star Wars that can hold my interest, do go on.
>>28374842
>wahhh I'm a little bitch
>I'm going to drop out of school and run away from home
>fuck my dad, he doesn't understand me
>my old Nazi grandpa was right, I'm going to follow in his footsteps instead
>stupid dumb rebel scum
>kill them all
>hey let's make a MIRV deathstar, except like 10x as big
>daddy do you love me yet
>I wish grandpa was still alive
>>28374888
Because Disney said the expanded universe is non-canon. It's their property now and they want it fresh
>>28374293
Kylo Ren having one at all proved that you can just build one
>>28374768
>I mean, why don't we talk about why the stormtrooper armor is white?
Apparently the Clone armor was white because Kaminoans only see in UV, so they saw nothing wrong with it when they mass produced it. Later war equipment had camouflage. Palpy probably figured his peacetime army would look better in all white like the fresh and shiny clones.
>>28373873
Anyone have that pic of him chillin with all the jedi masters?
>>28374900
Not that guy, but if I remember correctly, vibroblades are just bladed weapons that vibrate fast enough to block lightsabers. Think High-Frequency Weapons from Metal Gear.
>>28374929
>that you can just build one
That's where they come from, they're all assembled by hand.
In fact, it's an early part of Jedi training to be able to assemble your own, and when you do it becomes yours.
>>28374891
I forget where it was from, but one of the books I think said jedi used the force to regulate how long a light saber extended. also I've always assumed that they used the force to get a sense for where the blade of their lightsaber was, seeing as how it would otherwise be weightless and impossible to feel where it was, and you would probably decapitate yourself twirling it around like they do.
>>28374900
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vibroblade
>>28374505
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>28374464
Losing hands isn't unique to Luke/Anakin though. Losing hands is actually really common. So yeah, someone's losing a hand/arms
>>28374836
>only force users can use it effectively?
Yeah, if you consider "effectively" to include force throwing, surpa force strength, deflecting blaster bolts and all the other plot powers. Otherwise, not really.
>Shitloads of training to not kill yourself?
Yes, but any old idiot can do it if he wants to.
I think the reason nobody's running around with the things is that it's easier to train with "conventional weapons" that don't horrifically mutilate you at the slightest fuckup, and there are literal millennia of cultural indoctrination of "only force users use lightsabers"
>but lightsabers have training modes
Yes, but lightsabers are still considerably less forgiving of fuckups in battle than a vibroblade or what have you would be.
>>28374929
They're all handmade by the jedi that use them, stolen sabers notwithstanding.
>>28374929
Except for the crystal, the components of a lightsaber are easily acquired just about anywhere. It's the act of assembly and properly combining the parts that turns it into a proper lightsaber. The Sith Rule of Two allowed passage of that knowledge, and a well-trained Jedi knows it as well. Ren probably only got half the training needed before he went and built his own, and got lucky that it was functional, and didn't just explode.
The bigger thing with the crystals the Jedi used was that those particular ones resonated with their finders in the force, which gave a more personal attachment to the blade than a Sith's.
>>28374947
>Vibrate fast
Yes, for inflicting horrific wounds.
Lightsaber blocking comes from a mineral called cortosis that's tough to get. Weave it into your blade and blamo, lightsaber katana can't just slice your sword in half.
>>28374997
so yeah..high frequency blades.
>>28374655
Why don't all front-line soldiers in real life carry ballistic shields?
I still don't know how empire (or "first order", whatever) can even manage to exist until this point
>same pattern as VI, with a giant testicle in space, and with the same fucking hole on surface which took a few shot and the whole base explode
>empire's HQ just gives out an order, and 30 fucking seconds later, the rebel knows exactly what was the order, when and where will it be executed
It's like 90% employees of the empire is rebel's spy (and traitor). Is this even a real war?
>>28375009
>>28374997
disregard that, I'm a fucking idiot who can't read.
>>28374960
>I forget where it was from, but one of the books I think said jedi used the force to regulate how long a light saber extended.
You're probably thinking of Jacen's Vongsaber, that used a little gravity lensing creature he'd attuned to as the focusing crystal. Most variable-length sabers just used a multi-crystal interchange mechanism.
About the crystal thing. Red crystals were artificially produced by the Sith becuase the Jedi owned the planet that all the other saber crystals came from.
The reason that Ren uses a cracked red crystal is probably because the method for producing them was lost at some point when the Empire fell apart, and it's probable that the Jedi destroyed all traces to the planet that the saber crystals come from.
>>28374545
>>28374580
>>28374668
>>28374732
>tl;dr Kylo Ren is a fudd and stargoogled up the designs to an out dated saber from a time when tech was shitty enough that the cooling vents were necessary, builds it with the modern tech, then proceeds to use /k/-tier level craftsmanship fucking it up to the point where even with the excess power bleed the blade is unstable as shit.
Bubba-fudd-space-sword
>>28374164
>>28375043
You'd think he'd inherit some of Han's general know-how for mechanical shit.
>>28375016
There's plenty of subtle hints that it's a bunch of hardliners who don't have the resources you'd think they would.
And the planet blew up because it lost containment ON THE FUCKING STAR IT HAD JUST SUCKED UP.
Fuck, it's more believable than how the first Death Star got destroyed.
>>28375016
Star Wars movies have no concept of time or distance. Everything is practically instant, communication and travel across the galaxy, etc.
You can't look too far into it, just the nature of science fantasy.
>>28374545
>For the last time, it's not a cross guard.
yes it is, you faggot. they're vents, but they also make a crossguard.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren's_lightsaber
>>28375062
>sucking up a star
>more believable
They're both pretty silly, let's just say that.
>>28375058
Lightsabers aren't starships.
>>28375080
fair enough.
>>28375080
You're right, they're much less complex
>>28375016
>It's like 90% employees of the empire is rebel's spy (and traitor). Is this even a real war?
Holy shit that explains why the stormtroopers shoot-to-miss.
>>28375098
Ren is probably stupid enough to fuck it up. The second he runs into a problem, he'd start trashing the room in impotent rage.
>>28375080
I was talking about his super modified fucking blaster.
>>28375066
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren's_lightsaber
>KYber crystal
>KYlo Ren
Jesus fuck, did he take the name of the crystal to make his name? Now he's even more of a under-puberty faggot than I think he was
>>28375137
>Ren
You don't call vader "darth". why would you call kylo "ren"?
>>28375174
But I do call Vader "Darth".
>>28375170
Or it's the name given to him by snoke, kinda like how Vader's name was given to him by sidious
>>28375174
There is only one character in the entire EU named "Ren" that uses a lightsaber, whereas there are hundreds of characters that took on the title "Darth" that used lightsabers
>>28375174
The collective Rens.
>>28375174
>Vader
>Darth "Vader"
>Ren
>Kylo "Ren"
>>28375199
See >>28375199
They're all a "---- Ren".
>>28375208
are you talking about?>>28375197
>>28375195
all of the knights of Ren were Rens.
>>28375208
see >>28375195
>>28375223
Only one of the Knights of Ren uses a ligthsaber, whereas every character that assumed the Darth title used a lightsaber
>>28375226
Kylo is still his name, Ren his associative title.
>>28375226
What does the weapon they use have to do with anything?
if Vader suddenly started using a bowcaster, would it be okay to start calling him Darth because no other darth uses one?
>>28373873
Honestly lost all interest in seeing the movie after I saw that in the trailer.
>>28375266
this.
I don't watch any movies where someone spins a tonfa.
>>28373873
I liked star wars as a kid, as an adult i do not give a fuck
>>28375275
Traitors...
>>28375248
No, Ben Solo is his name
Kylo Ren is the name he was given when he betrayed Luke and joined the Knights of Ren
>>28375252
why does a bow make a laser more powerful anyways
>>28375298
All of the Knights of Ren are still Rens though. Referring to him as Ren right now isn't much of an issue, seeing as how he's the only Ren that's been featured, but when they go more into them, it would get confusing which one you were referring to.
>>28375308
Because the Wookies need to feel better about not being able to speak Basic for shit.
>>28375308
because bowcasters actually fire a projectile. the two ball things on the ends create a magnetic field. the projectile is magnetically launched and charged with plasma energy.
also chewie modified the fuck out of his.
>>28375275
That sucks man. You're missing out on hundreds of classics
>>28375308
The orbs on the end of the arms are magnetic accelerators or some bullshit, there's no string. Yeah it's silly.
>>28374040
Literally made me really want to get a black powder rifle. What did DiCaprio use?
>>28375341
>>28375347
Oh so its a fucking railgun that shoots plasma. That actually sounds badass. How the fuck can spacesasquatches have those but rich organizations like the First Order and Empire don't.
>>28374040
Its already out of the theaters in my area but for some reason they are bringing it back for a few showings next Thurs and Fri
>>28375399
The Bowcaster fires a Plasma-Charged metal bolt
>>28374537
a bit late but also the troopers were told to let luke and pals escape the deathstar in ANH and then made short work of Hoth in ESB. So eat shit fuccboi.
>>28374078
Also its a reset routine to clear your mind. Tennis players and others do this kind of shit. It really does help your focus in a major way.
>>28375399
My guess would be cost
Ha, I thought I was on /tg/.
Surprised this thread has been so active on /k/.
>>28375399
Chewie modified his to be semi auto and built it with some stronger shit iirc. Normally they were single action and needed to be cocked back after every shot.
they are more accurate and more powerful than normal blasters though. chewing blew up a speeder with one shot with his.
supposedly they were too unwieldy/heavy/powerful for normal people to use effectively, but han shooting one kind of debunked that. or disney didn't give a fuck.
>>28374217
>because anyone can pick up and use a light saber.
Anyone can pick up and use a lightsaber, but it is the combination of precognition and formal training that lets it be useful on the battlefield. Otherwise you're just that idiot who brought a sword to a gunfight and gets shot dead.
>>28374228
>If they find out that a stun baton works pretty well for deflecting lightsabers, why not use it just in case?
Because if the lightsaber user is a regular person that lacks precognition, then he's fucked if you just shoot at him with your gun. If the lightsaber guy is a force user that has precognition, then normal people like you are at an extreme handicap and it would be extraordinarily foolish to engage them in melee combat.
Either way you're better off staying at range and shooting unless your are some kind of best-of-the-best grandmaster who is skilled enough to overcome all the bullshit ways a Jedi can cheat the laws of physics in a fight.
>>28375062
>There's plenty of subtle hints that it's a bunch of hardliners who don't have the resources you'd think they would.
I would believe that if the First Order just had a small fleet of ships that was continuously evading the grasp of the Resistance (or is it the Republic and their "Massive fleets" that are never seen?). But then they revealed their fucking PLANET SIZED SUPER WEAPON that is larger than anything ever seen before and capable of destroying neighboring solar systems by firing lasers through hyperspace.
That's the sort of thing that is achieved by super powers with near unlimited resources at their disposal. (INB4 Snokes rips of Palpatine even further and is secretly the leader of the New Republic).
>>28375468
In the past they were individually made tribal type weapons weren't they? So the wookies would have been fairly guarded with them?
>>28375388
Thats the one that marysue mind-tricks, its not TR8R.
>>28375575
Most likely, yeah, but it's trivial to get blasters built for human/near-human ergonomics that are effective enough not to make a difference that there isn't much point.
>>28375589
>marysue
>Fanfic self-insert character
>>28375485
>extraordinarily foolish to engage them in melee combat.
yet mandalorians specifically weaved some vibroblades with cortosis so they would be able to deflect a lightsaber.
>>28374244
Pretty much.
Still enjoyed it though.
>>28374505
TRAIIIIITOOOORRRR!!!!
>>28375606
it was written by a woman
>>28374545
> it's not a cross guard.
guess his broad sword technique meant nothing then.
>>28374854
Yeah, the first time I saw the movie I thought that the lightsaber part was dumber than it actually was.
Both of them were just swinging like tards and running away, Kylo is avoiding killing her until the part where she starts winning and that was just only like two swings.
They also establish that he is not healthy at all.
>>28375043
This is actually the official story.
>>28375673
That still doesn't make Rey a Mary Sue, and she's a lot more fucking subtle of a character than Luke and Anakin were in 4 and 1.
>>28374020
Say what you want, he is 2-0 against home decor.
i learned everything i need to know about this movie from /k/
i probably wont even watch it
>oh han solo dies you say? fuck it im out
>>28375729
reminder that the term 'mary sue' has lost any credibility as a meaning.
Anyone caught saying it having no idea what they are even writing.
>>28374170
>lightsabers
>weak
>Jedi use them as a crutch
This has got to be bait
>they are useless in combat without the ancient weapons and techniques they have trained their entire life with
Who'da thunk
>>28375756
It's the next movie (Episode VIII) that matters.
And apparently the next director said they have special wacky plans.
>>28375043
>tfw he actually put the ghetto vents to good use
Was pleasently surprised
>>28375729
How is she at all subtle?
>>28375766
Instantly the best at everything. Everybody loves her. Etc.
God damn fanboys are blinded.
>>28375797
This
Actually went from hating the Lightsaber design to liking it after the movie
>>28375797
From what I've heard, they finally worked out what they'd attempted with the fighting props in ep 4: the blades actually providing scene illumination instead of just being a rotoscope/cg effect done in post.
>>28375804
>Instantly the best at everything
name an example of this?
she was a good pilot and could work on ships because she had been doing that her entire life.
she knew about the modifications to the millennium falcon that han didn't know about because they were done after he lost it
she was probably trained by luke in the force before she was abandoned on jakku
she had assistance for almost the entire movie, and when she didn't, she got kidnapped.
she barely beat an emotionally and physically crippled kylo with the help of finn
>>28375804
>Instantly the best at everything. Everybody loves her. Etc.
And Luke and Anakin weren't?
God damn, haters love hunting for anything they can use to attack it.
>>28375832
>she knew about the modifications to the millennium falcon that han didn't know about because they were done after he lost it
She was the one who did a lot of the work.
>>28375804
>Instantly the best at everything.
>left on a shit world
>either had to git gud or die
>>28375832
She wasn't trained in the force you're just pulling that out of your ass.
She never flew the millenium falcon nor stepped foot in it just overheard some sandnigger bragging about his hemi.
She got kidnapped before she learned how to close her eyes for a second then BAM force mastery.
She wasn't a good pilot again you're pulling that out of your ass, she had some hovercycle fucking thing that's not a spaceship.
No education, slave, scavenger, doesn't even know what parts she's exchanging for food are worth, yet knows every fucking thing about every fucking thing.
Of course she was predestined to beat kylo she's a fucking Mary Sue
And everybody loves her. Did you jerk off in the theater fanboy or wait til you got home?
>>28375863
Oh yeah that world was full of badasses right
>>28374178
>>28374715
>>28374842
>>28374901
Well, that sums the character pretty well actually.
>>28375873
>And everybody loves her
confirmed for not watching the movie and projecting.
literally 2 characters end up caring about her at all. I swear most just ignored her.
>>28375873
>doesn't even know what parts she's exchanging for food are worth
While I don't disagree with you, there's a difference between not knowing what they're worth and not being able to do anything about it because Ugly is the only game in town.
Unless there's some blurb about how one of the parts is worth like six billion credits.
>>28375873
>She wasn't trained in the force you're just pulling that out of your ass.
I'm making a logical assumption based off of the events of the movie, and making a guess as to where they're going to take it. it's possible she never was, but not probable.
>She never flew the millenium falcon nor stepped foot in it just overheard some sandnigger bragging about his hemi.
I never said she did. but she was a scavenger that flew shit all the time, so it's understandable she would know about some modifications that were done to it. and when she first got in it, she was bashing it into walls and shit.
>She got kidnapped before she learned how to close her eyes for a second then BAM force mastery.
so she got kidnapped before she was good at something. sounds like she wasn't instantly good at it then.
>She wasn't a good pilot again you're pulling that out of your ass
except she was. she fucking practiced with a flight simulator in her spare time, and said in the movie she had flown before.
>No education, slave, scavenger, doesn't even know what parts she's exchanging for food are worth, yet knows every fucking thing about every fucking thin
education in what? what does being a slave or a scavenger have to do with anything? and it was established the guy was a huge cunt and gave her less for the same parts for no reason.
Gripes that I have:
>Masters the force in under an hour.
Um, okay whatever.
>Kylo Ren goes from badass laser stopper in the first scene to can't even beat a girl who's never held a lightsaber in the last scene.
That was lame but I just assume he got mindfucked by her mindfucking force power and the fact that he just killed his Dad. Plus, the dark woods with snow to reflect the saber lights was a really cool setting, thought it was neat-o.
tl:dr it was a good movie people.
>>28375912
Non-enemies she interacted with:
the soccer ball -- loves her
Finn -- loves her
Han -- loves her
Chewie -- loves her
that old bar owner with the glasses -- loves her
Even the sandnigger she ganked the droid from loved her because he didn't just shoot her.
>>28375961
plus he just got shot in the gut by a high powered rifle that you just saw send troopers tumbling through the air.
>>28375949
>I'm making a
...ideaturd that you pulled out of your ass
>she was a scavenger that flew shit all the time
plopping out another one
>when she first got in it, she was bashing it into walls and shit.
2 seconds later she's pulling deathdefying insane expert manuevers
>so she got kidnapped before she was good at something
until she remembered to just close her eyes and instant mastery
>she fucking practiced with a flight simulator in her spare time, and said in the movie she had flown before
scavenger slave bitch tried on dirty helmets and ate crackrock while staring at the sand in her spare time
>education in what?
precisely, no education, ignorant uneducated sand trash
>>28375970
Honestly, I spent every zoomed out desert scene looking at her silhouette and admiring those long legs. So, I would definitely hit it.
However,
Soccer ball - loves her only because she saved it from the scavenger.
Finn - wants to fuck her which is just natural.
Han - Doesn't really give a shit
Chewie - Just kind of likes her.
that old bar owner with the glasses - wants to use her most likely, is just social networking.
then there's the merchant who kept ripping her off, the thugs the merchant sent to steal her droid, and her parents left her ass to rot on that planet so they probably didn't love her either, just guessing.
>>28376018
>I didn't pay attention during the movie but I'm going to complain about the character anyway
>>28374678
Think bacteria that live off of Force energy. If you're strong in the Force the bacteria will flourish.
>>28374273
>lightsaber not being effecting at cutting/slicing
Tell that to
>Battle droids
>Arms/wrists
>Blast doors
>Random machinery/background objects
>Darth Maul's waistline
>That tree that Rey fucking cuts down with no effort at all
>The bottom of an AT-AT
>The forks of an Endor Speederbike
>Boba's gun
>Jango's neck
