5.82x42mm
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Tell me about 5.82x42mm. Is it as good as the Chinamen say it is, or is it just another example of China Stronk?
it's a bullet.
it makes holes in people.
Nobody knows shit because nobody here is from the Chinaman army
>>28370699
No one seems to know yet. The bullet would seem to be slightly heavier than the .223 and the case would seem to have slightly less capacity.
I *am* puzzled as to whey they needed their own special snowflake round.
>>28370720
>I *am* puzzled as to whey they needed their own special snowflake round.
In preparation for the imminent war with the Yankee pig-dogs, no doubt.
>>28370720
It's part of the overall Chinese military modernization program that been going on for the last 5-8 years. China wants to be taken seriously as a superpower, and one part of that image is their military. China has long used other country's military equipment designs; mainly Russian/Soviet, but also some US. They want to present their own unique identity to the world's PR stage.
That means a totally new group of uniform which isn't a copy of anything, a totally new rifle which isn't a copy or modification of an existing rifle, and overall all new personal equipment.
Of course they still copy some of the higher end stuff like planes, but they are working to obfuscate that and make them appear different. Also, people at large are more likely to tell the difference between the appearance of soldiers than technical things like planes or radios.
>>28370720
probably more similar to a 6mm projectile, they go into detail about the case but not the powder inside so who knows what their loads are.
>I *am* puzzled as to whey they needed their own special snowflake round.
for the same reason every eurotrash nation needs their own special snowflake bullpup despite half the EU's battle plan being "hide, bunker down, and wait for murka".
That reason is nationalism.
>>28370699
It was created so that corrupt officials couldn't steal and sell it like they can 5.45 and .223
>>28370857
You stupid moron. Do you think some Chinese rangemaster could sell ammo to the local gunstore or send it overseas, even if it was in a non proprietary caliber?
>>28370857
This guy is right, was also the case for many other things which I just forgot atm.
More on that later
>>28370886
> What is large scale corruption
> What are officials so corrupted they even agree to make a dollar on toxic baby milk or unproperly produced heparin?
Yes, it one of the reasons if not the only one with PR as >>28370754 said
>>28370895
Because so many people had guns in China, armorers were swiping it all the time back then they were using 7.62x39 and selling it at the local gunshows and gunstores, faggot.
>>28370754
That program is hideously underwhelming. The Chinese have yet to produce anything worth a shit. They just grab US/Russian shit and give it a cosmetic do-over.
>>28370917
> What is large scale corruption
What is "oh fuck I stole something I literally cannot sell or ship off like the Russians and their crates of stolen gorkas on ebay".
>>28370699
No matter how it performs, it does make America's bullets look like bulletlets kek.
>>28370921
>That program is hideously underwhelming. The Chinese have yet to produce anything worth a shit. They just grab US/Russian shit and give it a cosmetic do-over.
China commissioned over 60 warships from 2013 to 2015 alone and will soon beat the Russians in bringing their J-20 into service sooner than the T-50 and other countries the F-35.
http://thediplomat.com/2015/12/chinas-first-stealth-fighter-is-about-to-enter-production/
>>28371411
> the diplomat
You embarrass yourself.
>>28370921
well maybe but they did just retire 300k personal due to cited improvements in IT and other efficiencies.
also there are plenty of AK's hidden in private hands.
the idea of a new round is smart, it eliminates the ability of 3rd parties to make ammo for it (easily anyway) and even a call in the US to transition to a 6.5mm round in polymer cases (much farther range, 20% less weight).
>>28371426
You want the official Chinese source announcing the same?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2015-12/29/c_128576168.htm
Only took them five years from the maiden fligth to the 1st LRIP type. This is what good economy, flush financing (unlike Russia) and sound-planning (without F-35-styled braindead feature-creep and inter-service rivalry) will do to your projects. They will get completed ahead of schedule.
5.8x42 is supposed to have 300 less joules and felt recoil over the .223 but I'm not sure how much better that is supposed to be.
>>28371488
that's a big bird. they just need 10x more to account for crappy manufacturer and it will outpace F-35 easily.
>>28371488
What in the world are they going to use that thing for? It looks even more lead-sleddy than the F-4.
Are they going to use it as some sort of stealth-interceptor?
>>28370921
Holy shit are you for real.
They became the largest and most modern airforce in Asia, possessing more (and more modern) Flankers than even Russia, and grew their navy fucking rapidly in the last couple of years. Every month there is a launch of at least one guided missile destroyer.
They added 80+ military spy satellites into orbit and completed their own navigation system - their most recent geostationary spy satellite to monitor the pacific and south china sea around the clock has been put into space just yesterday.
They took two types of long range ASBMs into service and are accelerating the development of the first and only working hypersonic strike weapon in the world, the WU-14.
They are building the world's second largest UAV fleet at the moment.
They are shedding 300k servicemen from their army ground forces and are reforming their entire military in making them leaner and more effective.
If there's a successful military modernization, it is definitely China's.
Their pace of military development is close to US' cold war level.
>>28371546
Here's a good article to answer that question:
http://plarealtalk.com/2015/12/27/commentary-j-20-striker-interceptor/
>Commentary: J-20, striker or interceptor?
Basically, it is designed as an air-superiority interceptor. It's basic configuration allows it to have maneuverbility that is competative with most non-TVC 4.5++ generation fighter jets, while it is being powered by the interim engines. It's greatest strength is its big range and good stealth, as well as its deep bays that could hold larger munitions, like anti-AWACS missiles.
All I can offer is a pic you guys might enjoy.
>>28371411
The J 20 is a turd and china's navy is at best greenwater. The "muh rising power" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. No more credible than India becoming a superpower by 2040.
>60 warships
>corvettes, frigates, pleb tier boats
>US navy is larger than the next 13 biggest navies combined.
Jesus there sure are a lot of PRC fuck boys in this thread.
>>28371630
>them penetrators
>them air gaps
LEWD
>>28371714
lol at navys. youre obviously unaware of decades old technology in silkworm missiles.
>>28371387
Kinda big. I'd agree with the anon who says it looks like a 6mm intermediate. They got a really long bullet in there, probably good BC. Who knows about the quality though. Their old ammo looked like fucking black powder and they only recently updated. They probably have huge stockpiles
>>28371755
not a fan of China but we can't scoff at former shitholes forever while we burn more money to accomplish less.
>5.56x45
>5.45x39
>5.82x42
looks pretty typical as far as the smaller intermediates go, ballistics will be similar
>>28370720
>the case would seem to have slightly less capacity
It's actually a wider case than 5.56x45mm.
>>28370699
no expert, but if you watch the recoil of a QBZ-95 firing 5.82mm, it appears to have a greater kick than most 5.56mm rifles, which almost look airsoft in comparison.
>>28370720
It's deliberate, it means they can control access to the round better than if they used something off the shelf.
>>28370720
I remember being told that there used to be a problem with corrupt officers selling ammo for side cash, so giving the military it's own special round that only they use solves the problem.
>>28376062
That actually makes a lot of sense.
>>28371623
Long range, stealth, and large weapon bays also lead its strengths to be an anti-shipping strike fighter.
Using stealth to penetrate, and the long range to launch from bases near the sea. This is an area denial asset, one that the US will have to prepare for. It can theoretically threaten US naval assets, but definitely threaten Japan, S. Korea, and the Philippines.
>>28370720
Same reason most major powers develop their own cartridge: In the event of a war, no enemies would be able to capture their stockpiles and use it. However, most militaries have decided that an intermediate round is best for general issue, so the big 3 powers of today wound up with 3 roughly equivalent, but non-interchangable rounds
