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I want to get sniper set up going in .308, and I'm between getting heavy barrel Remington or a ruger precision rifle. The Remington has a bunch of after market stuff available, whole thr rpr has benefits of being compatible with ar15 parts. Anyone have any experience? Budget is no more than 1300
Don't go .308, shitty cartridge compared to all the other long range cartridges out there
>>28340340
why does the army use it then?
>precision sniper
>1300
That doesn't include price of the glass, right?
Not that you would have any idea what the fuck you're doing anyway
>>28340307
and make sure you budget in a shitload of money for a decent scope. They are far more important than the rifle.
>>28340350
Because better cartridges weren't widely available / invented before they adopted it. Then it just became the norm
>>28340307
Make sure you know how to shoot long range too. Be prepared to buy all the periphrials such as:
Barometer
Compass
GPS
Range Finder
Calculators
Thermometers (analog and laser)
and much more
>>28340380
so will they switch to .338 lapua soon?
I'm asking because I want to replicate the Australian Armies SR98 to get in extra practice
>>28340424
Man, you really have no idea what the fuck you're doing.
Damn aussies
>>28340424
Not as a general cartridge, no. The price is too high and it's overkill for what they want to do.
They probably have contracts out the ass for .308 and so much of it on hand that we won't see a change for a very, very long time.
Honestly 7mm rem mag would be my choice to replace .308. Similar power but astronomically better ballistics and the flexibility to do w/e you want with it
>>28340358
Yeah, excludes glass. At this point my requirements after literature is bull or heavy barrel, free floating stock, and .308. Other than that, I'm looking to go with a make of reliability, so naturally leaned towards the 700
>>28340449
I'm not OP
>>28340452
Guess I'm getting an SR98 then
>>28340350
>>28340424
Army is transitioning to .300 WinMag XM2010.
Marines in typical Marine fashion are reluctant to give up the M40 platform and the .308 round. They're even more reluctant to get something that's not built by their snowflake armorers.
>>28340380
Recommendations for cartridges then? I never really gave it much consideration other than picking the best from widely adopted ones for cost purposes
>>28340478
6.5 Creedmoor has some pretty good ballistics although it's often considered a "special snowflake" caliber.
>>28340472
Does that include Aus Army???
>>28340500
gtfo nutn
>>28340508
What did we say earlier?
Go to bed, read some shit and get learned
>>28340508
No. I don't see any indication that Straya intends on switching from their .308 AI AWs, though special forces seems to have access to .338 Blaser rifles.
.308 is plenty for everything inside 800 yards. It can be pushed further, but bigger rounds are more ideal for any more distance.
>>28340546
read what, I am very noob to long distance shooting
>>28340508
>XM2010
>Australian
Retard detected
>>28340423
At what rough distance would really necessitate this sort of equipment?
>>28340613
Depends on how small your target is
For first round hits on relatively small targets you need this equipment for 800y+
>>28340478
You need to watch sniper 101: cartridge dynamics, cartridge selection, and bullet dynamics
308 if you're okay with maxing out at 1K, and hunting sub 300yds. If you want more, I would do 7mm rem mag over 6.5CM.
>>28340500
I've heard the match ammo for 6.5cm is a mixed bag though. some reports of ~77 es on a string of 10 rounds. You could try prime, but if that becomes your only source then hopefully they don't raise the price.
I can pick up many different brands of match 308 all for the same price or less than 6.5cm match ammo. And if a particular brand has low qc with the high es/sd then I can go try another all without breaking the bank.
>>28340698
I would say if youre shooting at half moa targets you'll need a kestrel and range finder by about 4-500yds depends on the cartridge youre shooting of course.
If you attempt to take 22lr out to 400 you will need to have the wind reading down to an exact number and then start seeing about any opposing crosswinds between your initial wind reading and the target.
>>28340350
Because
Military trials
and
1950's
>>28340478
+1 to this answer >>28340721
As for what round, if you're not looking for past 1000 yards , stick with the .308 unless you really want to mess with something else. That being said I shoot .308 and have a bias for it. If you're newer to long range, then you should know avrage barrel life for a .308 is around 10,000 rounds. Which will give you enough understanding/ trail and error , to really decide if you wanna go with the 6.5 family or the .300 WM + family.
Just my .02 -- Oh and yeah, go get some gear like >>28340423 mentioned, it's more helpful than you think.
>>28340307
tell me about MOA.
>>28340508
No. Snipers within the RAR use a compliment of weapon systems. Our main cartridges are .308, .338 and .50.
The weapon systems used are:
>SR25
>SR98
>Blaser 93 chambered in .308 and .338
>AW50F
>>28340570
He's here to learn fuckwit, uppercut yourself and keep your hands off the keyboard.
>>28340307
Ruger is shit, get Remington, I have a 700 police model and it is a wonderful rifle.
>>28340472
USMC is stalling in transitioning because they aren't swimming in money like Big Army is.
>>28343083
What year is your rifle?
Seriously important question.
>>28340380
7mm rem mag is so fucking god tier
Literally better than 300 in every way besides shooting close range stopping power.....which isnt the idea of a marksman rifle
>>28340721
>>28342976
Watching the series now
Are these guys on hunting grounds? Can you just normally do long range shooting on hunting grounds with targets or is this usually not good etiquette? I'm a range guy, and haven't found a good club in my area, much less vastly open ground. Ideally, I'd like to be able to go out to 1500 yes, practising a lot at shorter ranges as well.
>>28343151
Any concerns with 700s and the year?
>>28343083
After the replies, I'm looking for a 700 7mm rem mag
>>28343083
both are shit
dont buy us made crap, get a tikka
>>28340307
Get the ruger PR, it shits on everything around its price point
>>28340340
No thanks, I'll stick with the NATO .308, never have to worry about a shortage of ammo.
>>28340350
Not just the Army, it's a NATO round, and because it works.
>>28343424
Rem has been having QC issues for the last few years, but it's more on stock modles than anythnig, if you're considing a highend rig you're gonna replace all the shitty parts anyways.
>>28343972
Oh okay. In that case, what parts do you usually keep? I'm looking just to get a model with a floating heavy barrel, but didn't think much of getting replacements. What should I really be looking for, anticipating that parts will be replaced with aftermarket stuff?
>>28343424
Not the other poster but Ive have a police model for about 3/4yrs and no issues. I shot it quite hard though and the headspace is almost at the point where it is unsafe to shoot and I'm at 5-5.5k rounds. One thing if I were you is look at getting the action and bolt cerakoted. All 700s are pretty rough unless you have the bolt jeweled and its on a SS receiver. The cerakote makes it smooth as butter, but it does eventually rub out. I've put about 2k rounds since getting it cerakoted and it still holds well enough. I make sure to still lube the bolt.
>>28343432
tikka where a short action is a long action and a long action isn't a long action. Also the side stop pins can have issues if the receivers aren't cut right making it so the force when pulling the bolt is exerted on the stop pin can shear it.
>>28343477
ruger has its own issues with the handguard mating, and barrels sometimes not being up to snuff.
If someone is spending 1300 on the rifle alone, I'd look at this
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=533048117
If you don't care for a thread barrel or the black cerakote you can save a few hundred and go with this option.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411540287
If you want to be able to use aics mags/sr25 mags out the gate then go with the ruger but note you may have to get an aftermarket barrel if yours isn't a shooter.
I've heard of people having non-shooters for remington 700s but in their higher price guns it doesn't seem to be an issue and in my 700p that is almost shot out it will still hold 3/4" at 100m with factory match. my little bastardized 223 700sps will hold right at 1-1.25" at 100m with a 4x scope, and can hit everytime on a 10" steel at 250yds off a barricade all the while using walmart bulk pack fiocchi perfecta ammo.
>>28344719
if you go r700 most people change out the stock from the get go unless yours comes with an hs precision. They usually hold onto that until funds (cont)
>>28344719
>>28344751
(Cont)
become more available for either a chassis system or a good highend stock like a manners/mcmillan.
On the 700 if you want to use aics mags out of the gate you could look at the new magpul hunter 700 stock with their aics dbm. that option would run ~ 325-350, and you could recoup most of that cost (~200) selling your hs precision stock as a take off model. maybe more if it isn't just the plain jane black hs version.
other things to note are the trigger being livable with but still horrid. triggers and their associated cost will run the gamut from 100 dollar timneys to 400 for a huber/davidtubb version
