Who /partiallyweaponstrained/ here?
She look like the kinda lady to complain she didn't get enough free breadsticks on yelp.
>>28326825
Under what circumstances would someone like this be partially weapons trained? Especially coming from the uk.
I'm not partially weapons trained or anything, but it seems to me any attempt to grab something from someone's holster would end in being pistol whipped.
>>28326825
>She look like the kinda man*
>>28326825
unrelated, but I hate seeing officers carry their batons in break away holsters behind them. It'd be so easy for someone to pull that out and crack his head before he even could turn around and defend himself.
Is that not a police officer?...
>>28326825
> graphics cop's weapon in line
> weapon goes nowhere because dat retention holster
> cop turns around, beats the living shit out of you, cuffs you, jams you into a car
> bail out of jail, get on Facebook....
> "WAAAAAAAH! Police brutality in America is a huge problem!"
>>28326853
It means that somebody let her look at their Nerf gun once.
>>28326881
If it's an extendable baton, no.
If it's a club/stick, maybe.
>>28326887
This is why we need to stop UK immigrants.
They come here and bitch and moan about how UK is better in their opinion.
>>28326902
> This is why we need to stop all immigrants no matter where they come from because they're almost all either dirt worshipping savages or effete Euroscum who want to drag America down the same hole they dragged their mother countries down.
FTFY
>400 hours in insurgency
>800 hours in RO2
>years lurking /k/
>fingerfucked an old single shot from the 19th century
nigga im almost tier 1 operator
>>28326998
>5845 steam hours in arma 2
I've replayed the campaign about 50 times and everyone on multiplayer think I'm using and aimbot I also think I have pstd from that one time I ate a amanita muscaria mushroom I found growing in my backyard while playing
>>28326998
>>28327061
Go outside
>>28327073
no u
>>28327073
youre not my mom
>>28326902
>>28326953
beelavander, born and raised in Seattle, USA.
>>28326825
Police Officer here. Without a doubt a copper. I was issued the same pants for training......
>>28326838
> lady
With a 3" penis, maybe
>>28326825
got up to top 5000 rated players in Killzone 2, and watched 24 hours of A Christmas Story once.
MARSOC here I come.
>>28326825
Why cover up Harry potters name?
![IMG_7069[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Vdwilgd.jpg "IMG_7069[1].jpg")
>>28327151
Completed both socom 1 & 2 on admirial difficulty, read seal team six upside down underwater and watched lone survivor while stimulating my prostate with my p226.
BUD/s gunshop here I come
>>28327229
>BUD/s gunshop
>>28326825
Partial training (movies) must not cover retention holsters
>>28326825
>>28326825
>>28326825
I JUST ONCE.
Wish a trifflin' trick would try some dumb shit like this, while someone had like a fucking Galaxy S 6 or some shit around to record it.
Just so I could bask in the fucking ass whooping she would receive.
>>28327299
Nor the fact that NYPD has like an 11lb trigger pull on their guns and even they have trouble "firing all rounds without much effort."
Who /Delta tier COD operator/ here?
>>28327417
del taco opr8r reporting in
carne
asada
guacamole
>>28326902
>>28326953
I'm British, pro-gun, and pretty much agree with you. I hate the fact that Muslims come here and start Sharia marches, and I see no difference between that and the SJWs with English degrees going over the pond and saying "We don't have this problem, America kills 220482 blacks and women a day with its problem". Build wall.
>>28327507
meight, come over here.
No but srs with an english accent you could get a visa pass easy peasy.
>>28327629
I'd rather rebuild the British empire by leaving the EU and re-establishing colonisation and our relationship with the commonwealth.
But I appreciate the offer. Trump 2016 lads
Completed COD4 on veteran, got 100s on every SWAT 4 mission, and have experience in the Rainbow Six series as well as Operation Flashpoint. I think I'm ready for HRT.
>>28327229
I have a tripcode. Who salutes whom?
only if you have a mk.25 226
>>28326895
>looked at a nerf gun once
>keksimus maximus.jpg
good one friend
>>28327229
>BUD/s gunshop here I come
oh lawdy I'm laffin
>>28328193
What is a BUDS gunshop
>>28326825
Chances are she (and anyone else dumb enough to try to grab a cop's firearm) would be defeated by the retention loop before she got taken to the ground and arrested.
>>28327061
Why is open carry allowed? What's its purpose? I just want to be educated please don't lash out at me, I am a poor noguns from Europe.
>>28328551
>Why is open carry allowed?
Because it's a basic human right.
>What's its purpose?
Whatever the fuck you want.
>>28328565
I'm just wondering, I think CC is better to be honest? I think if a shooter were to come in, he would target those openly carrying first - whereas if you are CCing you can have the advantage of surprise. Maybe OC is useful as a deterrent? idk
>>28328592
CC being better doesn't mean that you should ban OC.
I think Weet-Bix taste better than Cornflakes, doesn't mean I think we should ban Cornflakes.
>>28328592
if a shooter came in and saw that guy he would most likely run like a bitch
i OC everytime i walk my dog in the woods cause there is a damn bear
>>28326825
thats a picture of a cop......
>>28328600
I'm not saying OC should be banned, second amendment and all, i'm not trying to infringe on you guys freedom, i'm pro guns, but yeah, I don't really see the interest in OC. People can do whatever they want though so I shouldn't care about it.
>>28328615
People mostly do it for one of two reasons:
>1. Convenience (i.e. when you're camping or at the range)
>2. Political advertising
>>28328622
Yeah, convenience makes sense when you're at the range or innawoods. I guess it's okay to advertise you're a die hard conservative. Thanks for opening my eyes friend. Still hoping that I one day may become hasguns.
>>28328551
Your whole mentality is ass-backwards.
Instead of asking "Why is [thing] allowed?", ask "Why shouldn't [thing] be allowed?".
>>28328642
>I guess it's okay to advertise you're a die hard conservative
Guns have literally nothing to do with conservatism.
Politics is not a dichotomy.
>>28326825
>>28328428
Google it
>>28326825
>tfw building PSG-1 for long range shooting comps
>tfw can't be part of the club
>>28328657
I'm sorry man, I know nothing about American politics. Forgive me my friend.
>>28328651
I didn't mean why is it allowed as in "why is this allowed? it shouldn't be!" I wanted to find out its purpose. I'm sorry if I came across wrong.
>>28326953
>>28326902
I'm from the UK, in a pretty rural and upper-class area, moved to rural North Carolina.
Fuck off.
While I lived most of my life in the UK, I would fight and die to protect the US Constitution. I consider myself wholly American.
>>28328694
Nah, I get what you were asking. It's just that there are benefits to OC, like being able to carry comfortably on a hot summer day or not being arrested because you stretched your arms after eating your daily burger, whereas there's no real good reason why OC should be banned.
>>28326853
she's seen her brother play cod
>>28326825
are there any responses to her? i'm assuming this was pulled from facebook
>>28328705
Fifth column detected
Everyone on /k/ is partially weapons trained.
Love how every time this is reposted people use it as an excuse to shit on the brits when the person in the picture is an American.
>>28328903
How? I came to America seeking opportunity and freedom. Currently living out my dreams in the Appalachian Mountains.
I only go back home to see family on occasion.
>>28328705
You give me hope for the future.
>>28329302
If you're from the UK you're a SJW scum
>>28329316
>>28329302
What do the folks in the mother country think of your hazfuns status, if it's ever come up?
>>28326825
>Partially weapons trained
>>28329328
They're all relatively pro-gun. Again, we're an affluent britbong family living in rural Surrey, we have our own private clay range.
Opinions vary from typical fudd to completely pro-gun. My father used to have quite the handgun collection before Major and Blair banned them all.
>>28328705
Trouble is that there is no way to vet immigrants to find people like you.
Political compass test? Easy to fake (maybe not for third worlders though lol)
References? Paid, or liberal cultural Marxists will vouch for anyone
>>28329396
Why the fuck does it even matter? I can't vote (yet), but if I could I would vote in favour of gun rights.
>>28329416
>favour
reeee
>>28329416
immigrants tend to like voting for more immigrants and that group also happens to be the anti-gun one
>>28329447
I'm for tougher illegal immigration, I spent 7 years just waiting to come to the US, and I'm not even a citizen yet.
Why should Mexicans and Guatemalans get preference over someone who spends years trying to come to the US, and start a business?
Am I really going to have to go down an entire list of political questions just appease you faggot?
>>28329388
Didn't you guys have basically no restrictions on what you could own before that guy shot up a school with a brace of glocks or something?
>>28329492
like >>28329396 said it's not easy to find "good" immigrants. we'd rather just block off the lot of them.
>>28329536
Kinda... He used 2 Hi-Powers and a S&W revolver.
I don't know much about the restrictions back then, I was only a kid. I just remember my dad protesting against it for months.
>>28327138
No, she's actually biologically female. Even had a couple of kids. That impressed her so much that she started up a website for single teen moms. She also brags about entering into a fraudulent marriage with a US military member just for the money. The first and last time they saw each other was at the chapel, when they tied the knot. Then she goes on her way, and gets a check each month.
It's like her whole life is an exercise in bad decision making.
>>28329577
Misogynist shitlord detected
>>28326825
>It's a fucking cop
Is this bitch having a stroke or something?
>>28328833
It's pretty old. The first time it showed up here was like a month ago. She got lambasted in the comments, for all kinds of reasons.
>>28326825
NANOMACHINES, SON.
>>28326825
what a psycho cunt
>>28329628
Just telling it like it is. I even used my nice words. It's not like I'm forcing her to share her horrible judgement with the world, she's doing that all on her own.
And that face. Jeeze. How in hell did she convince 2 guys to impregnate her? Drugs? Picked them off the short bus? Those poor bastards probably became monks after they sobered up and saw what they'd done.
>>28326881
I know I could do it and I'm only partially weapons trained-there are plenty of people with better strength/skills wandering around
>>28329751
> Trying to reduce a women based on her looks.
Teachable moment. Here is a gun lover in his natural element, insulting a woman because he's lonely and bitter
>>28329836
>>28329628
>>28328705
Based as fuck
Thank you Mr. UK man
>>28329836
Are you by chance a rabid feminist who hates men because you can't get laid? I bet you're one of the kind that even lesbians steer clear of.
>>28326953
Can I just not be an immigrant and still come over there then?
>Australian
>would probably out right-wing anybody on both continents
>except for the religion thing
>every night I wake up in a cold sweat
>realize that I don't have nightmares in my sleep
>my life is a nightmare
Wake me up, /k/.
>>28326953
Hey I'm an immigrant.
But I'm a gook. Where does that place me?
>>28326825
Didn't someone post her post without it censored? If I remember correctly she's originally from the US and now lives in the UK. Also she looks like a dude. That mongoloid look isn't helping her. Hence why most white women look gross.
>>28330081
Eating noodles in your uncles Thai restaurant before you all get arrested Immigration and subsequently deported.
Fucking yellow cunt.
>>28330108
What are Roof Koreans
>>28327061
>>28327151
>>28327695
These niggas think they hard core
>played the original tom clancy's rainbow six and cleared it
>played the original delta force and multiplayer (dat 56k modem)
>soldier of fortune I & II with multiplayer (got banned from multiple servers for "aimboting" and wall hacking which i didn't even know how to)
These fuccbois were suckling on dey momma's tit when i was blasting niggas on PC son.
>>28327771
Tripcodes are behind furries in line for being executed on Day of Rope.
Eat shit and die.
>>28330297
Most trips are furries anyways anon.
>>28326825
Honestly you should never have your back to anyone ever, anyone even partially trained in M.M.A. could choke you out in an instant
>>28330108
i'll blow you up for that you kafir infidel
>>28330116
Asian noodle soup sippers, you foreigner loving kike.
>>28330432
You promise?
>>28330054
>being an aussie
just kill yourself mate. ima go play with my sks. happy solstice!
>>28330054
>>every night I wake up in a cold sweat
>>realize that I don't have nightmares in my sleep
>>28328551
In the particular instance of OP's pic, that's an off duty cop.
>>28329827
Excellent. Wear a Gopro and become the next contestant on NYPD beat down. Hell, if they kill or seriously disable you, you might even get featured on Cop Block.
Bonus points if you're a minority.
Disarming a person is easy as fuck. But guns are meant to be used at a range where you cant reach them. If you are close enough to the person that you can disarm him then he probably wouldn't have shot you anyway. Unless he's grabbing his gun.
>>28326953
>I don't understand america or my own heritage
>>28326825
don't worry "she" is now a citizen of the UK
>>28326853
>Especially coming from the uk
Plenty people shoot in the UK, most upper-class schools have shooting teams. Loads of people shot as kids in the ACF or something as well
>>28328592
Why not both. OC for visual deterrent, CC for theoretical/active deterrent.
>>28331691
>easy as fuck
Yeah, 'cause us LEO don't train in weapons retention.
>>28330951
Kek I bet this guy puts chinese food as his favorite food on okcupid AHAAA
>>28326881
Clearly you have never used a breakaway baton holster, the extended baton well barely fit it that "breakaway" part let alone collapsed.
>>28326825
>/wordsthatwouldworkfineinaregularsentence/
Go back to /r9k/>>28326838
>>28331704
>america is a nation of immigrants
No, America is a nation of uppity British subjects and their black African slaves. The fact that for some reason we started letting in the world's riff raff in the early 20th century doesn't mean that such a blunder is our defining characteristic.
If your family wasn't here before the civil war (if black) or the revolution (if white), you aren't an American, you're some piece of trash we should have never let blow in.
>>28332245
>If your family wasn't here before the civil war (if black) or the revolution (if white), you aren't an American, you're some piece of trash we should have never let blow in.
>>28326825
>getting disarmed and having your own weapon used against you
does this ever happen
>>28332265
Yeah in a scuffle.
>>28332245
That's just fucking ignorant. The Know-Nothing party was established in 1845 to protest and prevent the Irish from coming into America (protestants vs Catholics)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
We have had people hate Polacks, Wops, Kikes, wetbacks, chinks, Jap's, everyone. You have and will ignore this, but everyone else should know you're a fucking retard.
>>28329577
>She also brags about entering into a fraudulent marriage with a US military member just for the money.
I don't suppose anyone tracked the cocksmith down and reported him? I'm sure there's something in the UCMJ that could fuck one or both of them over.
>>28332245
tfw my family records only go back 130 years on this continent
>>28332245
Post your genealogy, faggot.
>>28326825
That image is always funny since she is threatening a cop.
>>28326887
>bail out of jail
>After assault a cop
>In new york
lol fucking good luck with that.
I have a semi related question, kind of related to ops post. On the immigration visa application to the US they ask: "have you recieved weapons training?" Do they mean all sorts of weapons training?
>>28327061
>>28326998
>>28327073
>>28330199
Kekking at this first world peoples. I was born in Brazil, i'm used to discharging firearms in public, being threatened by the police and seeing dead people. With a .32 revolver, my jeitinho brasileiro and four bullets of questionable quality, i'm more operator than anyone covered on head to toe with MOLLE on this thread.
>>28332743
>Brzillian
>Can't understand a joke
I'm totally surprised.
>>28332757
Are you threatening me? Hand over your wallet.
>>28330297
Yeah, and weebs come before both faggot.
>>28332776
Gunna repot me?
>>28331691
>level 3 retention holster
>disarming
You're not drawing that without 3 seperate motions, all of which are designed from the point of draw being the carrier, not anybody else.
tl;dr you're not taking a weapon from a level 3 holster.
>>28326902
>>28326953
>>28327507
>He thinks immigration is the problem
You faggots don't even know why gun ownership is such a big deal, do you?
>>28329396
>political compass test
How the shit would you test for something like that? Most conservatives are staunch supporters of gun control/banning, and many socialists are in favour of total deregulation of gun ownership.
>cultural Marxist
That term does not mean what you think it means.
>>28332886
>You faggots don't even know why gun ownership is such a big deal
Because the Brits attempted to disarm us at Concord. Only the daring rescue and pilots of the 1st Cavalry Airmobile division would allow us to route the British back to their armpit where they would plan the same tactic against India.
>>28332245
My father's family immigrated here some time prior to WWI
My great grandfather refused to teach my grandfather Slovakian because "You are an American, you will speak English"
So I have no idea how to properly pronounce my surname
>>28332900
It's for the more general reason that an armed civilian populace is pretty much impossible to fuck with, by any state.
>>28332911
But anon..we've been fucked with..
>>28332921
Not with force.
>>28332925
bullshit, post address and SWAT will be there in an hour shooting at your dog.
>>28326853
Someone let her try firing a shotgun once.
>>28326853
She's american and spent some time in London before going back to the US.
>>28328705
>western NC
Native born North Carolinian here in eastern NC.
Welcome, new Ameri-bro
>>28329388
>>28329558
Also invite your dad over, he sounds based as fuck.
>>28326853
She watched a few action movies one time.
>>28328705
>I would fight and die to protect the US Constitution.
That is the most retarded thing I have ever read. The constitution is not important, what it says can be.
>>28332684
They're only interested in your bo staff skills
>>28326825
>>28332928
>Police are dangerous and racist!
>You don't need weapons just call the police!
Conflicted Liberal thoughts
>>28332911
something that strikes me odd is when people say civilian owned guns will not stop the government
yet the government seems mighty concerned about something that in the wider scale of things might be thought irrelevant
>>28333134
choices choices...
>>28333171
People who say civilian owned guns won't stop the government have no idea how the government works.
Yes, maybe you won't be able to *defeat* the government, per se. But you'll take a fuckload of tome and money to kill. And the government does not want to spend a fuckload of money. You also won't stop fighting easily, because your house and family and friends are all tied to the area you're fighting in. If you don't have weapons, the government can just roll over you.
>>28326884
No. Clearly tis not.
>>28333187
The people who say that don't count on the fact that in the case of mass civil unrest, 99% of the military would desert and either take their shit with them or use their own weaponry with military training. Which means the 'war' would be over almost without a single shot fired.
This only fails to be the case when Civilians have no weaponry at all, which makes fighting back much harder and makes it much easier to convince the standing military that whatever you're having them do isn't wrong
>>28333204
>The people who say that don't count on the fact that in the case of mass civil unrest, 99% of the military would desert and either take their shit with them or use their own weaponry with military training. Which means the 'war' would be over almost without a single shot fired.
I'm not so sure about this at all. It sounds a lot like the kind of feel-good bullshit people tell themselves to make them feel like nothing like that would ever happen 'round here. We have certainly seen the military been used on its own people many, many times without much hesitation; only when things get really bad does the military desert, and even then not totally.
>>28333187
>your house and family and friends are all tied to the area you're fighting in
waco
ruby ridge
1985 Philadelphia move bombing
bugging in does not feel like the best at times
granted you have to be doing something pretty retarded to bring that kind of heat
but I can not shake the feeling that governments can be more careless now given the precedent and the way the public forgets about such things
>And the government does not want to spend a fuck-load of money
infiltration and assassination saves a coin in theory
>>28326902
Hold tight there son, we're not all like thar. Im immigrating there for guns.
>>28326887
>assaulting a cop and living
>in new york
Well I guess she isn't black and male so MAYBE
>>28326884
Security guard
>>28330199
I'm SEM on CSGO
>>28333204
a bit of that went on in Egypt
with the military getting in between the police and government opposition groups
would national guard and army fight each other
I only ask as they have slightly different oaths of allegiance
>us army
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States
and the orders of the officers appointed over me,
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
So help me God."
>national guard
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States
and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___,
that I make this obligation freely,
without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion,
and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State
(Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter,
so help me God.[3]
>>28332813
Did you forget what website you're on?
>>28326853
probably watching 10 minutes of an action movie once.
Eurofag here
>mostly shot airshit
>American uncle took me shooting once
At least I know how to safely handle a gun.
>>28326953
>be Dutchfag
>probably more right wing than the state of California
>only guns I own are airshit and those might become illegal mid-2016
>tfw have trouble migrating because the legal migration route is pants on head retarded.
aren't there any exceptions?
>>28326861
Pretty much. Cops learn weapon retention the hard way.
A buddy of mine who went through the San Bernardino sheriffs academy told me the story of how his defensive tactics instructors strapped on a retention holster, holstered a training pistol, and told him to attempt to grab it from behind. All he got for his troubles was a half dozen elbow strikes to the cranium.
All the cops I know are 120% paranoid in general. In public spaces, where maintaining distance from people is difficult, they're all hyper aware of where their guns are in relation to the people around them.
Needless to say, this five head bitch wouldn't have had a prayer
>>28333422
An Irish cigar collectors forum in the slingshot section
>>28326825
I hate this fucking picture so much, her face infuriates me.
>>28326861
I don't think it's easy to open those holsters. Especially if you are a normal civilian and the thoughts of guns gives you a meltdown.
>>28327383
12 pounds, to be specific
Fuck, I feel sorry for those guys. Up until recently their training was no good. They can only choose between three different firearms, all 9mm, and all with that atrocious 12lb trigger. And the administration and city government screw over street cops constantly.
I don't know, NYPD may very well have cleaned up its act in the last few years. But my last impression of them was not at all positive, let's just say that.
>>28328551
Irrelevant. That man in the picture is a uniformed police officer.
>>28328694
At least you're honest about that fact bud. Too many foreigners like to present themselves as experts on our country and proceed to lecture us about it, despite never having actually been here.
>>28333483
>mostly shot airshit
>At least I know how to safely handle a gun
I got like this as well
misfiring a spring bb gun into my leg taught me muzzle discipline quick and not to trust safety lever
all the time using open sights on air soft gun help me the few times I do go down to the local three gun club
cap and ball revolvers
lever action rifles
over under shotgun
9mm and 45apc
reactive targets every where
>only guns I own are airshit and those might become illegal mid-2016
full auto bb guns b& here
strong restrictions on centre fire semi-automatic
pistols must be kept in pistol club safe when not in use or in locked box when transported
ammo and gun in the same place counts as pre mediation in case of self defence
even with fist fights your attacher must hit first for it to be self defence
>tfw have trouble migrating
I had once wanted to travel to Europe but it looks like a right cluster fuck now
besides that I'm not a doctor or anything important to a highly professionalised country
>>28333627
I have an ex-army dad that taught me shit like that.
ALL Airshit guns here are regulated and need a permit. Which is strange since Belgium and Germany, two neighboring countries without border control allow pretty much unrestricted ownership.
>>28332265
It's happening less and less, but it still happens. Used to happen all the time. Nowadays, police academies devote a significant amount of time to retention training for that very reason.
No cop in his right mind uses anything less than a level 2 retention holster these days, and level 3 is steadily becoming the norm.
>>28333644
>ALL Airshit guns here are regulated and need a permit
god dam that's brutal
over here people under 16 can not buy them and there is a limit of 0.4 joule for many airsoft guns
and since a cop died semi auto pellet guns require the same licence as a mag pinned sks or a bolt action rifle
that said kids with air soft guns do sometimes get shot by police
and low rent criminals will use an air soft or gas pistol as a bluff to rob places
>>28333775
Pretty sure there's a FPS limit here as well.
You need to be 18 here and have a valid "declaration of unspoken behavior" (piece of expensive paper that says that you never came in contact with the police) Although there's no mag limit, no need for "don't shoot me" caps, and no limit on full-auto.
Although that doesn't prevent people from just getting them in Belgium.
Almost forgot, it's not exactly a license but more a membership on the "National Airsoft Interest Union" who in my opinion are more interested in filling their wallets.
>>28333093
You're a fucking idiot. Every member of the United States military swears an oath to defend and uphold the constitution. We're bound by blood to protect that document so don't come onto a Japanese anime image board and say it doesn't mean anything you colossal twat.
>>28328705
You're a good man /k/ommrade.
>>28333834
>because other people think it matters, it matters
What drugs are you on right now?
>>28333845
Judging from your reply, common sense.
its cool that you guys still get full auto
and for some reason we do not have the orange tips requirement either
buying a bolt action 4.5 mm air rifle and a semi auto 6 mm bb gun is much the same process
only when things get semi auto for air rifles and full auto for air soft guns do the police get concerned
>>28333854
Anon, an appeal to popularity is not common sense. Everybody in China used to think the world was flat (which still amazes me, given China's advanced mathematics), that doesn't mean the world was actually flat.
>>28333834
>We're bound by blood to protect that document so don't come onto a Japanese anime image board and say it doesn't mean anything you colossal twat.
Not that guy, but there are plenty of your battle-brothers that do guys like you a disservice in that regard. My shit-eating cousin included:
>"I know all about ballistics in the army. The AK round can still rip through cover at 600yds"
>"You don't need a semi-auto just get a lever action."
>"Don't get a rifle designed for combat, get an SKS instead."
For the sake of all of us, I am glad there are intelligent, honorable men like you.
>>28333337
Wasn't really clear on the male part, either.
>>28333871
I don't think I can wrap my head around your thought process considering you are so quick to get off subject and your analogies are not nearly as relevant as you think they are.
So please, explain to me in a short concise manner why you feel that the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of which our American Civil Liberties are protected by, is not important?
>>28333909
You need to be able to be molded to get benefit from the military. Unfortunately some of the people that go in seem to have eaten their molding clay so there's little from which improve.
>>28333986
>So please, explain to me in a short concise manner why you feel that the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of which our American Civil Liberties are protected by, is not important?
Because it's only a piece of paper. I'm not being semantic about that; it's an important thing to realise. What might be written on the paper might on an individual basis be "good", but the whole thing as a concept -- as a constitution -- is nothing but paper.
In actuality, it's all messed up. The entire concept of a "right" granted to you by a bill is ridiculous. I don't want to have permission to do something. The constitution gives Americans free speech; but we know how the McCarthy-era Red Scare went down. People can twist and justify whatever they want, however they want. I want to not have anyone be able to stop me from printing whatever I want in the first place. So the constitution is broken from the word go.
Either way, dying for *anything* but that which you literally couldn't live without (e.g. your children) is dumb. I doubt that anon couldn't live without the constitution.
>>28334073
>In actuality, it's all messed up. The entire concept of a "right" granted to you by a bill is ridiculous.
This sentence betrays how ign'ant you are. The "paper" as you say, doesn't grant the right. The paper is there to protect the right that was, as the founders believed, given unto man by god. It's necessities that are codified into acts of defense against shit-headed government so that the common man has what he was born with.
>>28334142
You aren't granted something if you don't have it. If you need a piece of paper to protect something, then presumably without it you have the risk of not having it. In which case, it does in fact grant it.
And you aren't born with anything but yourself. There's no immutable force giving you freedom of speech; otherwise, you wouldn't need a piece of paper protecting it. Yes, I know you don't necessarily believe that, but it's what you say the whole thing was founded on; you could always explain how it makes sense if you don't assume God gave man a certain right.
>>28334172
>You aren't granted something if you don't have it.
Sorry if I live my life on "I'll do it anyway" principles.
>>28334172
>And you aren't born with anything but yourself.
Defeatist bullshit. I have thoughts and feelings to convey. I have myself to feed and keep stable, and I should be able to preserve my own life if it comes under threat, otherwise there is no point in living or participating in society.
>>28329316
This is the most pathetic bait I've ever seen.
>>28334197
>Sorry if I live my life on "I'll do it anyway" principles.
What does that have to do with being granted anything? I feel like I'm missing something here.
>I have thoughts and feelings to convey. I have myself to feed and keep stable, and I should be able to preserve my own life if it comes under threat, otherwise there is no point in living or participating in society.
This all comes under "things I would like to have" rather than "things I have a right to have". Which is one reason why the whole concept of "things I have a right to have" is flawed. And, brutally speaking, billions of people have and do continue living and participating in society without the ability to convey as they please, or feed and keep themselves stable, or preserving their life if it comes under thread (which is a bit of a weird thing to say, because if you can preserve your life you're not actually under threat; but that IS just semantics).
>>28334220
Well, it still got your response. Although I've never really been a fan of the "any response is a trolled response" theory.
>>28334172
>Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
>We hold these truths to be self-evident
>shall not be infringed
pretty aggro scrap of paper if you ask me
and just as valid as any other law
also
talk shit get hit
its why the first and second amendment are a team
>>28334241
>I feel like I'm missing something here.
So do I. I'm not surprised you can't grasp the literal concepts present in the Bill of Rights, and I'm not sure I can lay out an explanation that will make sense.
What scares me most is that I've never considered there being people with this sort of.. logic.. participating in the discussion about the very heart of our laws.
>>28334241
>And, brutally speaking, billions of people have and do continue living and participating in society without the ability to convey as they please...
So I guess you should consider whether or not you like having the ability to publicly cut apart the Bill of Rights as you have done, coldly and mathematically, and present your argument that it doesn't really mean anything due to wants vs. needs. I'm certain the government of 1760 England would have love your analysis on their actions in the world.
>>28334252
>we hold these truths to be self-evident
And that's the problem. They obviously aren't. Life? Sure, everyone wants life. That's evolution for you. Happiness? Now that's an assumption. Maybe we want happiness. Most people do. Not everyone. Some people are edgy wannabe-Byrons, for example. And liberty? HELL NO. Throughout history and modern life we can see that people don't actually give a damn about liberty; at least, not in the conventional, non-Marxist sense (that is, people *do* give a shit about having wealth, which grants certain kinds of freedom).
It's based on nothing. They *wanted* life, love and happiness; it's not some fundamental right that all humans need, crave and require. It's just what these particular people wanted. And much, much worse; all three can be interpreted in ways that would contravene the actual nature of the terms. And because there's a guy who can set the interpretations officially, and who can then enforce these interpretations, this piece of paper doesn't really protect you after all. [spoiler]There is a reason I'm on /k/ other than to shitpost about gun-related politics.[/spoiler]
>and just as valid as any other law
Well, I don't disagree.
>its why the first and second amendment are a team
And it would be better if there was no guy talking shit to you (or stopping you from talking shit to them) with the ability to hit you back much harder.
>>28334308
>Spoilering
Y'know, sometimes I get really annoyed that of the two boards I use the most, one spoilers and the other doesn't. What's even the point of it?
>>28334300
>What scares me most is that I've never considered there being people with this sort of.. logic.. participating in the discussion about the very heart of our laws.
Honestly speaking, the fact that you haven't considered this kind of logic; the fact that you haven't considered the problems with the very heart of your laws (all laws) scares the fuck out of me. Especially in conjunction with your religious (and I'm not being metaphorical here) devotion to the Bill of Rights; you think cutting it apart publicly is somehow a big deal?
But I still don't get what living life on "I'll do it anyway" principals has to do with whether the bill grants anything.
>So I guess you should consider whether or not you like having the ability to publicly cut apart the Bill of Rights as you have done, coldly and mathematically, and present your argument that it doesn't really mean anything due to wants vs. needs. I'm certain the government of 1760 England would have love your analysis on their actions in the world.
Like has nothing to do with it. The fact that I can proves that it's fucked. Also, you're basically pulling a British (or Imperialist?) Godwin's law here mang. It's wrong, too; the American concepts of right didn't come from a vacuum, it came from English concepts of right. Although I concede that the actual government itself would jump at a chance to prove the American revolutionaries had no legitimacy.
As it happens, I totally disagree with a need based society too.
>>28326853
If she was in the girl guides or the cadets she might have had some weapons training, but it will not have been much.
Outside of the upper middle class and the upper classes there really isn't what you'd call a gun culture in the UK, as a nation we've been indoctrinated to view anybody who shows an interest in firearms as being either, weird, eccentric, mentally unstable or plain dangerous.
It's too late for us to reverse this trend but it's not to late for you Americans to stop it from becoming the norm in you country too.
>>28327061
>pstd
>post scary trip disorder
Kek
>>28334396
>as a nation we've been indoctrinated to view anybody who shows an interest in firearms as being either, weird, eccentric, mentally unstable or plain dangerous.
Anon, maybe they just think *you're* weird, eccentric, mentally unstable or plain dangerous. People generally just don't give a shit; hell, as you say, cadets fire guns all the time.
>>28334308
>stopping you from talking shit to them) with the ability to hit you back much harder.
now you know what the government is all about
>>28334357
>you think cutting it apart publicly is somehow a big deal?
You're missing my point. I'm saying you should be grateful that you can. As you said, other people don't have the ability to criticize their government and remain productive.
>>28334431
The government is all about making sure you can't hit it, but it can hit you.
>>28334432
Right, and it's the government part that's causing that. As I said; in America (and any other western country) It's very easy to make free speech not free. Just look at Germany, Britbong, or even America with its libel laws (and America of the past). In all these cases it is the fact that you are being *allowed* to say things that is the problem. If there's a guy standing over you with a big stick saying he'll let you call his mother a dirty whore, you're not *free* to call his mother a dirty whore. And he can at any time say that actually, you're only allowed to call his mother dirty; and you have to go along with it, because he's standing over you with a big stick.
But I'm glad you're getting more pragmatic about this; you're seeing the constitution as a means to an end, rather than an end by itself.
Never had much experience with guns over here. Fingerfucked a hunting shotgun that a family friend had though. I was supposed to go hunting with him but I went on erasmus that year. Shame we don't talk anymore.
I do have a great admiration for the 2nd amendment, because I believe that the right to bear arms and defend yourself and your family against any foreign or domestic threats is noble and every human being should have that right. I do want to emigrate to the states at some point in my life, probably after I have my masters and some career building under my belt. Hopefully it'll be easy to get access to funs.
>>28334470
>In all these cases it is the fact that you are being *allowed* to say things that is the problem
>because he's standing over you with a big stick.
>>28334252
>talk shit get hit
>its why the first and second amendment are a team
>>28334470
>But I'm glad you're getting more pragmatic about this
I'm honestly trying to not be a bull-headed retard. I save that for the gun debates.
>>28334420
I'm telling you that as a person from the UK who holds a firearms license and likes to shoot on a regular basis I never bring the subject up with people because the prevailing attitude amongst the majority of people in the UK is as I have pointed out.
There is simply no gun culture amongst the majority of people in the UK, that is why the Gov can enact any silly new rule they feel like and know that nobody will oppose them.
BTW, cadets do not fire guns all the time, it's something they get to to do once in a while but not every time they attend.
can we talk more about holsters?
>>28334534
you need more context
>>28334534
This is why I'm pro-gun, yes. Except I don't accept a state as being free, or the need for one to begin with.
>>28334584
Criminals is a whole other matter that is in *no* way related to guns, so I'll ignore that bit, but tying something down with chains is pointless when you could just not have it to begin with.
I reiterate that my original problem was the holding of the constitution as something worth *dying* for, or any of its concepts *as concepts by themselves*.
>>28334549
Anon, I'm from the UK, and -- at least here -- no one gives a shit. They understand you don't want to murder someone. And I was a cadet. An Air Cadet, because I'm an eternal faggot, but we got to shoot shit pretty often. Army cadets got to shoot twice a week, apparently. Which *was* every time they attended.
>>28334614
Thomson jeff is an agent of caos it seems
>>28334614
>I'm from the UK
No fucking wonder it's hard for you to figure this out.
>>28334661
It's not hard for me to figure out. I disagree with you, that is all. Do you always assume that people who disagree with you just can't figure the truth out?
>>28334614
>I'm from the UK
I have a question for you.
During the course of your education, do your schools say anything about the war with the colonies? Do they paint us as traitor assholes and/or whitewash everything?
>>28334691
No. It's not a big deal at all, and with good reason; the war *wasn't* a big deal. I mean, we don't even learn about the God-damned Austrian Succession; do you expect us to learn about what amounts to a minor skirmish?
It's only a big deal if the entire creation of your country stems from it. Besides, we tend not to learn about individual wars unless they're one of the world wars; and even then, that's only at a basic level.
>>28334691
>uk
stop smuggling so many things or ill start enforcing taxes
>usa
I better get some representation from this
>>28334726
By which I mean you only learn about one of the world wars *alone* if you're not even at GCSE history (that is, if you're in, uh, middle school?). Otherwise it's sweeping things like The British Raj, or The Rise Of Communism In Russia, or Twentieth Century America.
>>28326825
Partial weapons training in the UK is knowing how to bin a knife right?
>>28334726
>unless they're one of the world wars; and even then, that's only at a basic level.
Holy fuck how sad. Your country survived a tremendous beating and they don't even want to teach anyone about it? You guys had heroes shining on the battlefields for fuck's sake.
I can understand not talking about the colonial revolutions, but holy fuck.. World War 2 bloodied fucking everyone, and great heroes emerged to keep everyone going toward victory.
>>28334787
No, I mean we'd learn about it in a wider context. Like, say, the history of warfare from 1850 to 1990, or in the context of Communism in Russia. The boards don't seem to really care about individual wars (which I am glad for; I'm interested in the wider web of history, personally). Although I should mention this is just my experience; I guess other boards or schools could teach differently.
Also, as I said, we learn about WWI and WWII in primary school, mang. This is the first stuff we learn about.
>>28334787
ayy man pride is a sin
white guiltest maximumis
>>28334822
That has literally nothing to do with any part of the conversation.
>>28334900
so what does the study of 140 years of war teach you ?
>>28328657
This. I'm proguns as fuck, but I don't care if fags wanna get married.
>>28334933
140 years of war.
>>28334938
Fuck, I'm proguns *because* I'm socialist.
>>28332245
my family came from Spain fucking 30 years before you faggot heretic scum bailed on cuckland in the mayflower and has been in the same part of New Mexico since
>>28334963
implying peace time
>>28334985
We go over the evolving nature of war as it was fought throughout the period. Like the impact of the telegraph, or the development of the minier ball, or the use of aircraft. Peacetime obviously does not come into it.
>>28332907
Same with my family and Basque
>>28334997
only the technical aspect of war ?
none of that just war hocus pocus
equip natives with brown bess
those who trade with us help fight of the ones that hate us
coehorn mortar blows up belligerent natives real good
>justification
we setters just trying to get by
our presence brings #civilisation
rule Britannia
>>28335105
>none of that just war hocus pocus
No. Why would we? It's a school, it's not meant to get all political. Also that shit's from the thirteenth century. ALTHOUGH, we do learn about how people justified it to themselves and their people, in terms of war propaganda and morale in the home countries.
We also don't approach it from a British perspective. We cover the US Civil War, the Taiping Rebellion, and the Russo-Japanese war, for example.
Gotta love the detachment from reality these days.
>>28335105
>>28335125
However, you just reminded me of something in Secondary School: a while back, we had a new education minister called Gove. He wanted to take us back to Traditional Values and Patriotism For Our Country. So he put stuff on the curriculum like the history of our glorious empire, and our key role in the industrial revolution.
So my history teachers, who were all socialist (/leftypol/ style; they were against biased schooling more than they were against Tory schooling, I think) and all the best teachers I've ever had, decided to teach us about Britain's role in slavery and in the horrible conditions people lived under in the industrial revolution. They taught it accurately, too; they told us how most slaves were captured by other African kingdoms.
>>28335154
>these days
Nothing about this kind of thing is new.
>>28335125
>that shit's from the thirteenth century
not like these issues just up a go away
>how people justified it to themselves and their people, in terms of war propaganda
that's the trouble with propaganda and violence if you don't use it someone else will
good thing we are so distant from such events as to coldly analyse them
>>28335166
>most slaves were captured by other African kingdoms
simple narratives get messy when all the factors are laid bare
>role in slavery and in the horrible conditions people lived under in the industrial revolution
second and third word outsourcing can get like this
at lest some are clean and orderly
but I feel bad for the ipad assemblers who could never afford one with their wage but just want to do a good job making it for someone who might just as well not take care of it at all
>>28335306
Nigger, all the factors WERE laid bare. Like, for example, the fact that the amount of prisoners taken by African kingdoms was greatly increased after the arrival of a huge, well-paying European market.
Also, what the shit does this have to do with weapons?
>>28326998
Are you me?
>>28326853
A lot of UK fags go through the ACF at school, OTC's and the reserves are also increasingly popular
>tfw I've fired a GPMG but never used a .22
>>28333556
They are Level III retention holsters, they are meant to be a PITA to pull if you are the person wearing it, not to mention what it's like to others.
First, they are designed to be operated from the perspective of the wearer, the friction lock won't disengage, easily at least, from an aux perspective.
But, that's before you push the strap forwards, which would immediately alert the carrier to a problem.
So if you managed to do this, now you've got to break the thumb-lock. Unless you have recently paralyzed said wearer this would in all likelihood be entirely noticeable to the driver, comparable to a wheel falling of your Toyota Camry. This involves a push forward or towards the body of a small thumb-break, which involves getting a good grip on the gun (awkward from behind) and pushing out.
THEN, you have the standard friction retention and lock that you get with most kydex-type holsters.
So yeah, there's a reason police wear these, and a reason they aren't easy to open, especially if you aren't wearing it.
>>28335352
>amount of prisoners taken by African kingdoms was greatly increased after the arrival of a huge, well-paying European market.
supply and demand bby
>what the shit does this have to do with weapons?
>liberty
>ethics
eh whatever let me get back to my book of trigonometry and Ballistics
>>28326953
Please anon, I just love freedom
>>28327151
C-
You'll shoot your eye out
>>28335997
sure you do
>>28333336
>>28329662
underrated post
>>28333184
kek
Kek. If she even tried she'd be struggling to even remove it from the holster before she gets an elbow to the throat.
>>28338908
>dat filename
Perfection
>>28326825
how would she easily disarm him the baton is collapsed and even so he would probably notice before she knew what to do and the gun is basically locked unless you push the strap forward in which case he would notice and asses the situation
>>28343222
Well the holster is plastic. A violent yank from behind would probably break the retention mechanism.
>>28343930
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>>28332245
This is what the South actually believes.
>>28334586
>Not selling to a criminal, snackbar, or a schizophrenic is infringing muh rights
>>28335062
Just talk like the terrorists in CSGO
>>28330081
Hopefully if you're on /k/ and aren't just trolling the kleeborps it puts you at pic related.
>>28332907
My family came just after world war 1, same thing. None of us speak polish because they wanted us to be Americans.
>>28333282
Branch Davidians burned themselves down, don't join an apocalypse cult if you're looking for MUH freedoms
>>28328705
How did you get your green card?
UK too, I'd move over in a heartbeat if I could, thinking about how I could set it up in a couple of years
