Why aren't handcrank machine guns more common, since they are ATF approved.
I would have thought it would be easy to get an AR-15 lower with a crank powered trigger group.
Cause most people can't afford to blast up that much centerfire ammo.
If you can afford to shoot an MG, you can afford to buy one. If you want to have a laugh there are crank trigger kits and bump fire stocks out there.
>>28325234
>bump fire stocks
How do those work, exactly?
>>28325241
Just YouTube it, seeing is better than reading
>>28325198
Lookup the BMF activator, it's like $20 at Cabelas and will turn your 10/22, SKS, AR15 ect into a crank fire
>>28325198
thereis a crank system for 10-22's. 4 shots per rotation, but hooking a power drill to it makes it an SMG.
>>28325279
How hard is it to turn, how many rotations would one expect in a second?
I want to slap one on a gun with a Binary Fire System trigger.
>>28325241
recoil+finger=magic
https://youtu.be/3htG_a2bYI8
Bretty neat
>>28325292
The original Gatling battery gun would fire around 4 shots per crank.
How fast you can crank it without it starting to jam would be a better question.
45-70 gatling
Accept no other guide gun substitute
>>28325241
The firearm oscillates from recoil, working the trigger against your finger. So one trigger pull activates legal full auto. If it's still legal.
>>28325635
It's still legal.
>>28325198
because they cost as much if not more than a registered machine gun and you need a fucking horse or whatever to pull them around.
Handheld gatling, anyone?
>>28325677
from their website
>Lakeside Machine LLC was the last manufacturer of the line and has ceased operations.
http://www.lakesideguns.com/
Sure if you can find one of those around they are only a few grand but my original point still stands, if you want something like the OP pic it will run you in the $50-60,000 range. I have looked into it.
>>28325746
http://www.crankfiresystems.com/Orders.php
$450 for a crankfire 1919
>>28325666
>being wrong
>>28325198
the better question is "why hasn't anyone made a ATF chicanery legal 3 round "target trigger" ".
my idea:
a trigger where on one full pull it will fire once, but it's length of travel has separate trigger pulls along it. the action of pulling the trigger one step reprimes the firing mechanism but you have to move the trigger one more "trigger pull" to make it fire.
either have it all internal with 3 hammers/mechanisms actuated by a diferent section or have it external with the trigger hitting a trigger behind it after the break. Like a Starr revolver
should be entirely legal under the NFA. no different than a single trigger doublerifle/shotgun only on a semi automatic action.
>>28325760
all you have to do is add the 1919 semi auto build. idiot.
>>28325767
Neet, but isn't turning a crank attached to your gun going to seriously affect your accuracy?
>>28325279
>>28325292
>4 shots per rotation
>attaching a drill
squintingATF.jpg
>>28325803
Could the bolt even reset fast enough?
>>28325796
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/rifles/semi-auto/oow-line/1919a4
So it's ~$2800 in total. That's a LOT less than what a legit FA 1919 would go for. And it's legal in every state.
>>28325760
Thats for just the crank anon, you still have to find and buy the damn gun.
>>28325798
Not if you brace it hard enough with your shoulder and left hand, and use a bipod/tripod.
>>28325279
So what gets registered as a machinegun at that point? The drill?
>>28325767
>this+ multiplier gear=normal trigger pull length but 4 shots at the expense of increased torque
I'm suprised no one has designed an action like this that has a "trigger" inside of the gun that is operated by a 3 prong gear with a multiplier gear attached to an external "operating lever" with an automatic reset.
>>28325803
yeah, the second you attach that fucker to any kind of electric motor, you've got yourself a felony. Now if you happen to be using the drill to tighten the bolt on your crank while the weapon is loaded and pointed at a few targets downrange...
>>28325813
>so $4400 in total
ftfy
with a hand crank to replicate putting micheal J fox behind the trigger/bump firing.
>>28325813
Wait do they make a single mount? I thought that site was selling quad mount ones.
But the price of a 4 1919s is still like the price of the cheapest possible F/A gun.
>>28325773
Damn dude I was thinking something like this but I have no mechanical skills and it sounded like a "highdea" in my head.
>>28325851
Or you could find a legal non nfa tec-9 for that price
>>28326782
>legal non nfa tec-9
What?
>>28326851
Open bolt tec-9s from before some date I can't remember are fa but not considered machine guns by atf
>>28326918
How the hell does that work?
>>28326925
Special rulings
>>28326925
Because the ATF is retarded as fuck.
>>28326925
They were manufactured prior to regulations regarding open bolt firearms.
When they were made they were legally indistinct from any other semi-automatic handgun. It was after it became apparent how retarded easy it is to make open bolt firearms into machineguns that regulations came into play. The ones already sold were grandfathered in since they were not regulated at the time of purchase.
>>28325316
>.22 life
>>28325767
Uh, I think he was talking about the gun in ops picture
>>28326925
The ATF considers any gun that is "readily convertible" into a machine gun to be a machine gun itself.
Open bolt semi auto TEC-9's and MAC-10/11's can be made to fire full auto by very slight internal modifications. However guns made before the ATF made this retarded decision in 1982 (I think) are grandfathered in and not required to be registered.
>>28325825
Nothing, because the bastards closed the registry.
>>28327114
>However guns made before the ATF made this retarded decision in 1982 (I think) are grandfathered in and not required to be registered.
I think the decision you're referring to came about in the late '90s. Tec-9s weren't even manufactured until '85. The machine gun ban itself was in '86.
>>28325773
Nah atf already shut this down. Something about they define a triggerpull as from the most forward to the most rearward. So if it fires more than one shot on its travel its a MG
>>28327023
OP wasn't talking about the gun in his pic, that guy has poor reading comprehension.
>>28327114
>>28327265
So how do you get one?
>>28325241
essentially using a pump action in the stock to use the recoil to assist in reloading and chambering.
its basically on purpose slamfiring to achieve "technically not automatic" designs.
>>28327317
How do those AR triggers that fire a round when you pull the trigger and then fire when you release the trigger work an why does the ATF allow them?
well OP, besides ammo cost you're essentially paying for a massive fucking monster of a gun that weighs probably more than an M2, and has 7-10 barrels to maintain.
so unless you have a horse drawn buggy, a steamboat (badass), a fort, a train car, or a truck with a strong as fuck bed.......good luck.
I had the idea to make a multi barrel crank black powder cannon for mounting on vehicles. It would be totes legal and could deal some damage on a technical.
Also why can't we stick a battery powered trigger puller on our guns? Something you can easily switch on and off that spins around and pulls the trigger multiple times? Has this been done?
>>28328436
Like this >>28325767
But the crank is battery powered and there's a button you push to activate it
>>28328358
Just because a gun is hand cranked doesn't mean it has to be a giant old ass gatling gun, retard. Did you lose focus before the part about an AR lower with a hand crank trigger group?
>>28328436
It has to manually reset. Anything that makes it automatically cycle and fire, whether through recoil or electric motors, is very illegal.
What I don't understand is why people just don't use gearset ratios on gatling triggers to empty a mag with half a revolution.
>>28328687
Torque.
The more work an axle has to do as it turns the more force you'd need to turn it. On a normal gear ratio they already have a stiff crank.
>>28328809
so the solution is an extremely bullpuppy bullpup and a long ratchet
>>28325829
Because the ATF will declare the "external operating lever" as the trigger, like the ring in the infamous shoelace MG.
>>28328847
yfw the forward grip isn't a forward grip and you just have a rearward grip to have your hand near the ratchet trigger...
>>28328858
>>28328490
Battery-powered is also a no-go. For the ATF, the trigger is what you diddle to make the gun go "bang", regardless of its mechanical role.
>>28328890
what about gravity on a gatling trigger?
(put weight on string. wrap weight around axle on gatling mechanism.)
>>28328324
necause the person with the patent bribed the right people. Anything is legal if you greece the right palm, on the other hand everything is illegal if they want to get you. That is the crux of a police state.
fun fact, they have passed over 70,000 pages of new federal regulations this year alone and you had better comply with every single one of them... or else.
>>28328501
i thought you wanted an actual hand cranked multibarrel gun.
that shit that just truns a trigger pull into a crank is horse shit.
go authentic and classic.
>>28329340
>a double barrel break action is better than a srm 1216
Sure... Classics are better because muh feels...
You sure got me there.
>>28329419
im talking specifically with crank action
