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I need sniper buying advice. I want a firearm that can put holes in things at 1000 yards. I do not make an extraordinary amount of money. What are my options?
Also please post long distance marksman advice/general
>>28308804
The gun is certainly important, but shooting past 400-500 yards is far more dependent on the shooter than the firearm. Not many shooters can outshoot their own guns.
>>28308834
What I should say, is can I get to 1K with a Remington or Tikka, and how low of a caliber can it be? .338? 308?
>>28308834
Is there a firearm that's cost effective that I can buy that I can work up to outshooting?
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>>28308860
What is a 338? I've heard 308 is a good long distance round, but I don't know why
>>28308804
>wants 1k yard gun
>doesn't want to spend 1k dollars
>implying you're going to train
>implying you're going to get gud
>implying you don't play too many video games
>implying you can do simple calculus in your head to counteract the coreolis effect, drag coefficients, wind resistance, and spin state multiplied by the speed of the projectile's velocity to hit a target a kilometer away
Okay anon.
>>28308875
lapua .338 magnum. accurate as fuck, but also expensive as fuck
.416 Barrett and .50 BMG will also do 1000 yd yards
>>28308875
.338 Lapua magnum is like $1/round but it is pretty much designed to be shot at extremely long ranges and can out shoot .50 bmg with accuracy.
Am going to try and get one eventually
>>28308907
Savage is probably as cheap as you can go
>>28308875
338 Lapua Magnum, developed from 416 rigby, which is an old dangerous game cartridge
308 is ballistic equivalent of 30.06, while being much smaller
A midweight bullet will be propelled faster while not being pushed off course by wind as easily
"Luh pooh uh" or "luh pow"
>>28308902
Gotta start somewhere
Mosin
>>28308935
Also, 338 could kill a deer at 1800 yards, but a 50 could go out to 3300, if only because it's heavier
>>28308919
You may be able to reload it for that much depending on brass life but you sure aren't buying .338 lapua for a buck a round.
>>28308961
I don't want to aim TOO HIGH
>>28308976
That is what high/adjustable Mil/MOA mounts and mil holdovers are for.
How far can I expect to shoot with a 10/22? Gonna get it as my first gun and it would be cool to do a little long distance stuff.
308 is fine for starting out for the budget minded. Get a tikka, savage or Remington in it, Primary army 4-14x44 ffp, some 168 FGMM SMKs and get practicing. Most 308 hits transonic at >1100 yds.
>>28309046
get something in .17 hmr instead. A17 if you have to have semi auto. Way more accurate rimfire round, good out to about 200yds.
>>28309046
wind is going to affect a .22's trajectory a lot at longer ranges. they also have a lot of drop.
I remember one time I was trying to snipe some groundhogs with my savage mk ii. It was sighted at 100 yd, they were at about 175 yd. I tried holding over them a little bit but my bullets weren't landing even close... I did the math later and found out the drop was several feet
>>28308804
Tikka T3 in 308 or 30-06. Then spend the same amount as you spent on the rifle (as a minimum) on your optic. Get Federal Gold Medal Match with the 168gr Sierra MatchKings and practice.
>>28309074
I heard .17 has a lot of issues in semi-auto because of how small it is, and I'd like a semi-auto.
Try practicing until you can reliably hit things at 100 yards. Then 200. Then 300. You don't just go LOLZ I WANT TO BE LEET SNIPERZ and start out at a thousand yards. That's not realistic.
Try getting a bolt-action .223 with a good trigger and barrel on it -- I think Savage still makes one. Then put a good 4x12 scope (coughcoughBurriscough) on it and practice.
![Target%20Figure-12[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LyIxSWM.jpg "Target%20Figure-12[1].jpg")
>>28309046
Depends on how accurate you want to be. I can land .22's into a Figure 12 target (pic related) with the right hold at 100 metres.
Anything further is basically volley fire, but it is possible.
>>28309112
Cz527
>>28309104
A17 supposedly has it licked, but it's about twice the price of a 10/22
>>28309116
I figure starting with a small caliber would be best, so that I can learn to shoot without flinching. Plus I won't be super invested if it turns out shooting isn't my thing.
This is a great price:
www.armslist com/posts/4732087/south-carolina-rifles-for-sale--barrett-99-50-bmg
>>28309137
if this is your first gun, you should buy something in a smaller caliber and shoot shorter ranges. got to learn the basics before you start with those 1000 yard shots
>>28309112
.223? Idk, cheap ammo but if i were going light I'd go .243
308 is more than sufficient for shooting out to 1000 yards (and beyond with 175gr projectiles).
You can pick up a Savage for $600-700 and put a SWFA Super Sniper fixed power scope (16x or 20x if you are just target shooting) on it for under $1000 and shoot out to 1000 yards with relative easy. It will take a lot of practice to reliably hit anything, but you can do it.
There is no reason to buy anything more expensive than a 308 as your first "long range" gun.
Skip the .223. Match ammo isn't significantly cheaper than .308.
>>28309147
I'm not the OP, I just hijacked his thread. I doubt I could hit a target at 25yds atm, but I'd like to work up. I just wanted confirmation that .22 was decent out to a decent range, which it seems to be.
>>28309137
Do you already have guns? If not, this is what I'd recommend, in this order:
.22lr
.223rem
.308win
Anything bigger than 308 is literally just a dick measuring contest (338lap is acceptable, but is purely a dedicated long range caliber).
If you already have a .22, .223rem has fuck all recoil. I've taken scrawny girls to the range with bolt action and semi-auto .223rem rifles and they've all managed fine.
>>28309166
oops, my bad.
yeah, a 10/22 is definitely a solid first gun, and you'll be able to take it out to 100 yards eventually, which is good for that caliber.
Maybe then an AR-15 or AK would be a good next rifle
>>28308804
-Before you pick a cartridge decide on what you want to do at 1k; punch holes in paper or shoot animals and their equipment.
- Do you reload or do you plan to reload? You need a round tailored to your rifle if you are remotely serious about long range shooting.
- Decent glass is just as important as rifle make sure to budget for something good. Protip: most scopes under $500 are shit.
- Look up "TiborasaurusRex" on youtoob and study his sniper 101 series.
You can generally pick out bad advice if someone suggest .308 or scopes that are low cost.
If you're lazy and poor and just want something that will reach 1K yards, then get a Rem 700 in 7mm mag, a Leupold FX3 12x40 scope and a 20 MOA rail and call it a day.
>>28308952
If your looking to start, start with reloading whatever rifle you have now. Especially since your in poverty.
>>28309167
nogunz atm
>>28309166
You can't hit a target at 25 yards? The fuck?
![1077_7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ofHzJbR.jpg "1077_7[1].jpg")
>>28309137
>>28309167
Same guy again, you said if shooting turns out to not be your thing. Just get a 10/22, put a cheap 3-9x scope on it, and hit the range. Some people aren't a fan of trying to put holes inside of holes for the smallest groups, but I've never come across anyone who didn't have fun plinking with a .22 at some steel re-setting targets or cheap cans/bottles of soft drink.
You literally cannot go wrong with buying a .22 rifle, whether it's pump, lever, bolt or semi-auto no matter what your interest in shooting is.
If "shooting" isn't allowed in your area, e.g. city limits or some shit, get a Crosman 1077 air rifle. It's a semi-automatic, .177 caliber air rifle with a 12-round rotary clip using regular C02 cartridges. It's about a $100 rifle, and pellets are like $5 for 500. C02 cartridges are about $1 each and last about 50 or so shots.
I'm in Australia, and use the Crosman in my backyard. It's no louder than a nail gun, and has a low velocity (~600fps) so I use it in my backyard all the time and the neighbours don't realise or care.
![426631[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IEI9NcN.jpg "426631[1].jpg")
>>28309166
I can guarantee, unless you have parkinsons, you can and will hit a target at 25 yards with a .22
>>28309187
This, but replace Rem 700 with Ruger American
How does the .308 stack up against .300 win mag? I know a few guys that are pretty big fans of the win mag
>>28309194
Get a 22, learn the basics, get a 223 (both of these calibers are cheap to get ammo for). 223 can and will do you out to 500 - 600 yards with good optics and practice. 223 will also allow you to hunt most animals up to medium size deer with CNS/heart and lung shots. If you want to go further, then 308 is the next step.
>>28309195
In my life I've shot:
>a bolt action 22, once
>a nugget, once
>an sks, once
>a makarov, once
>a glock, once
The big guns kicked my ass because I flinched a lot, and the 22 was at such a short range that I couldn't judge, so I have no confidence whatsoever in my marksmanship abilities.
>>28309198
>>28309220
Thanks bros, that's what I was thinking.
>>28309210
fingers crossed
>>28309187
>You can generally pick out bad advice if someone suggest .308 or scopes that are low cost.
There are some legitimately usable scopes that come in around $300.
>Primary Arms 4-14x FFP
>Bushnell Elite Tactical 3200 10x Mil-Mil (only at Midway)
>SWFA SS series 10x and all the way to 20x
>most scopes under $500 are shit
Excluding the ones I just mentioned, damn near all of them are shit. Actually, anything under $800 (Viper PST) that I didn't already list is shit.
>still recommending a Remington when Savage and Tikka exist
>>28309219
300win mag is the same as a 308, except a long case with a lot more powder and therefore a lot more power behind it.
>>28308863
That was the funniest thing I've seen in a while heh
>>28309229
Man, you really need some range time. I mean, I'm not even very good but I trust my aim out to a pretty good distance.
>>28309229
I might suggest a bolt action .22 instead of a semi, it can help you learn to pace your shots a little better. With a semi, a lot of new shooters will tend to shoot too quickly, before they are fully ready for their next shot. The bolt can help slow you down and let you shoot more accurately
up to you, though. if a semi is what you want then go for it
>>28309231
shoots flatter then, more punch
>>28309253
Yup, but also more recoil and more expensive for factory ammo, and uses more powder if reloading so yeah.
>>28309229
Also, on top of range time, I'd skip a .22, go straight for a .223 or .308 (though I do understand that the .308 is scary it will be better in the long run and cheaper). A .22 isnt really worth the time to develop shooting skills, imho.
>>28309252
I do really like manual actions, but magdumping is fun, so a bolt action is more of a second or third gun for me
>>28309230
>There are some legitimately usable scopes that come in around $300.
Usable for a deer season or two. If you think less than mid price scopes are ok then you don't shoot every much.
>still recommending a Remington when Savage and Tikka exist
Any rifle will work in the right caliber and you tailor a round for it, if you like tikka, savage or ruger then knock yourself out.
>>28309281
Too spensive desu.
>>28308902
>speed of velocity
>>28308863
top fucking kek
>>28309187
>You can generally pick out bad advice if someone suggest .308 or scopes that are low cost.
>>28309062
>>28309099
>>28309159
>>28309167
>>28309220
>>28309230
>>28309281
>>28308863
Comedy fucking platinum
>>28308902
>speed of the velocity
hegel, is that you?
>>28309104
Why would you need a semi-auto .17 HMR? If you can't hit what you want to hit in one shot with a .17, you probably won't hit it on the second shot, either. 250 yards is about the max with an HMR. After that, the wind messes with it to much, and it has less impact energy than the Queen's flatulence.
>>28309416
>need
pls
>>28309288
SWFA scopes are solid as fuck and I would recommend them to anyone. About the ONLY complaint i've heard is that they primarily have fixed scopes instead of variable. Please don't write off something just because you obviously have no damn experience with it.
>>28309293
For a .308?
>>28308804
>I need sniper buying advice
Slavery has been illegal in the United States since 1865.
>>28309711
Touché.
How good is 8mm mauser at long range.
>>28308804
What you want is the Ruger precision rifle. It takes ar10 mags and m1a mags in the same magwell and can shoot to 1000 yards easy pic related.
I just found out about this rifle a few days ago and will be buying one within the year.
>>28308902
you know you're not qualified to talk like this to anyone
>>28309936
I really like mine. It drove me to sell my AI AE.
>>28308919
A buck for .338? Yeah ok
>>28308860
>how low of a caliber can it be?
Dear god, watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtlwoNCNnFA
Anons we have forgotten that skill can play a pinical role in distance
Take this for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3XwizTqDw
Sure youll loose quite a bit of momentum but you will still rwach out and touch someone with it..provided you train to god tier skills
Actually its kinda like playing golf really...
Don't be retard anon and just buy 6.5mm creedmore only logical choice for you, store ammo can do the job and is decent price
>>28310150
Skill doesn't make up for loss of power, if you're target shooting for fun that's fine
>>28308919
Off the shelf it's going to be $4-$5 a shot and reloading $2-$3 a shot
>>28309969
Is it really that good? It doesnt have sex appeal of an AI
>>28308804
Hey, I'm interested in this too, I was pretty much the best sniper in BF2, which one of those guns was the best for eliminating targets at range?
Shooting .22 at long distance (for a .22) is comparable to shooting long distance for .308 (for .308), and excellent practice for the larger caliber.
Judging wind is one of the hardest things to learn and the .22 is very wind susceptible
Here is a short table to show the relation of how many inches .22LR drops at distance compared to how .308 drops the same inches at longer distance.
(I hope the formatting doesn't fuck up)
.22LR Drop (Inch) .308 Win
yard yard
50 0.0 100
75 2.8 175
100 8.3 240
125 17.6 315
150 30.8 380
175 47.3 450
200 68.7 510
>>28310376
shit.
Well I am sure you can figure out how to space the numbers out.
>>28310233
Function > Form. And the AI weighs like 5lbs more, which is kind of shitty for hunting.
>>28310390
Took me a second, but I got it
>>28310392
What optic are you using?
6.5 or 308?
>>28310722
.308, March 3-24x
>>28310728
How far do you stretch that out to?
>>28308804
Sorry, OP.
But 1000 yards are only an option after longs years of training.
You should start at 300 yards. Less money and possible for fresh men.
>>28308919
lol at $1 a round cheap shit is $2.50. if someone is only shooting a 1000 yards 308 works fine.
>>28310746
So far only a bit over 400 yards. I need to get around to driving to a 1k range. Alternatively I can go out to the desert and probably reach 800.
>>28310785
Im debating the 6.5 vs the 308. 308 is just so much more economical in comparison.
>>28310806
The price difference between 175gr FGMM and Hornady 140gr AMAX is almost negligible. However I have a metric fuckton of .308 so I don't want to branch into another caliber right now.
What would you guys recommend for bullseyeing womprats on the desert planet Tatooine?
>>28309230
Fuck you. With my set up I have killed a groundhog at 600 yards. It is a Remington 700 CDL in .25-06; with a Bausch and Lomb Elite 3000 (now made by Bushnell) The optic is less than $300.
There is nothing wrong with a cheap scope if you do research, and Remington is awesome.
>>28310892
A T-16 Skyhopper
>>28308902
>speed of velocity
faggot
Moist Nugget with scope
Anyone have any experience with the .408 cheytac? I'm considering it as my next big purchase and since this is probably the appropriate place to ask, I'd love any educated opinions on it. It's either that or the fostech origin 12 but that's not thread related.
>>28308902
>Look everyone, I am projecting!
>>28309046
I shoot 2inch groups at 100yrds no problem with a stock 10/22 . I'm trying to push a bolt action .22lr out to 200 yrds but I don't know if it is going to happen.
>>28308919
Out shoot a .50 bmg? You sure about that bud. Kinda hard to out shoot 750gr amax with a bc 1
>>28312800
Do you have 12k for a rifle, can afford a 4k scope to go on it and then afford $10/round?
It's a nice rifle but because of CoD it's meme-tier.
>>28308860
you can shoot .223 to a mile if you know what you're doing
http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/shooting-223-mile-1.php
>>28314011
>the .408ct can only be shot out of an m200
either im dumb or he asked about the .408 and not specifically about the m200
>>28314025
His pic related was an m200 you mong
>>28308804
Savage model 10 or 11 in .260 Remington or 6.5mm Creedmore. Scope advice is elsewhere ITT. Buy shitloads of ammo, a small notebook, and some 3x5 note cards. Oh, and sand bags. Get gud.
>>28309753
Just because you read some shit on the internet and bought a SS doesn't mean you know anything, and it doesn't mean it's good.
>>28308902
Exactly. Why spend a shit ton on an expensive gun and scope if you may not get good enough anyway? Get something cheap and see how you do at 500yrds then 600 and so on. If you can start to hit at 8 or 9 hundred yards with your junker and feel confident in your ability, you can get the gun you need. If you suck and stagnate at 400yrds and can't improve, you haven't broken the bank.
>>28308804
Go with 6.5 creedmoor or 260 rem if you're reloading.
Take a look at the Ruger precision rifle.
And check out the Sniper 101 series on YouTube.
Magpul precision rifle has some good information as well.
>>28314635
>Just because you read some shit on the internet and bought a SS doesn't mean you know anything, and it doesn't mean it's good.
Just because it had a military contract, nothing but steller reviews online and in person with everyone who's owned and used one to include myself.
Funny how a scope that no one has anything bad to say about can consistently hold zero over multiple seasons and years along with hitting out to 800/1000 yards just fine.
Obviously you are biased as fuck just from a monetary standpoint and have zero experience with the scopes. Please show us your Ziess scope that only "real" shooters use.
>>28309230
Eh nikon has a dww decent ones under 300 but they have shit FoV and only good for pounding paper. There is a guy by me who reloads and put a McGowan barrel on a mosin. Hes not shooting out 1000yard but we have an 800 and he normally groups 3-4 inch groups with mil surp. 2 inch with his own loads
>this whole thread
Why would you people seriously recommend expensive guns with stupid expensive scopes for an obvious beginner? Just get a cheap bolt .223 until you can reliably hit a man sized target out to a couple hundred yards with irons. Then get a scope decent enough to hold zero and push out to four or five hundred yards. You don't need all that shit for short to medium range shooting
>>28315420
The scopes the Navy bought were different manufacture and price point. SWFA is milking that NSN for all it's worth even though they had nothing to do with the short lived contract.
When swfa took over the SS scope line from tasco they updated the design and the price dropped by 1/2. They didn't drop the price by making it better.
If you think your shit is Navy Seal approved or some other nonsense then guess again.
>>28315442
>1/4 MOA at 800 with a nugget
I bet he does this "all day long"
