Picrelated is my vote. Try and one-up me.
You won't find anything better than this.
>>28246322
That's not a small arm you twit it's a static crew served weapon.
The right arm of the muthafuckin' free world.
>>28246322
>>28246322
thats the greatest crew-serve ever made, but its not a small arm
pic related, or the mauser action
>>28246399
Kek
>>28246357
Wrong, now choke yourself
>>28246407
Small arms are any weapon that can be carried and deployed by 1 or 2 people, so yes it is.
>>28246611
WANT
>>28246352
/thread
>>28247078
>implying
The obvious answer
>>28247736
>>28246407
>post war refurbished Garand in a WWII flick
>>28246611
>Wrong
No I'm not fucking wrong. A system that requires five people minimum to carry and move effectively is not a small arm.
second to none for over a century.
>>28250330
What kinda noodly armed weakling are you?
>>28246611
Anyone else giggle uncontrollably after reading this
>>28246352
TKB-517 was better
>>28246322
design wise pic related
influence wise Garand or AK-47.
>>28251080
Considering it's so fucking heavy what's so great about the design?
>>28246322
Crew served is not small arm m8
>>28246407
why do people dislike M1a but love Garands? I understand that one was a bigger deal and why it was, but mechanically people never talk any shit on a Garand. That while at the same time shit talking M14 and M1a to no end. I dont get it
>>28251089
just a really great machine gun that dosnt require 2-3 people to transport. It does its job very well
>>28246622
2 people can not effectively carry a M2 in combat.
1 guy carries the gun with a barrel
1 guy carries the tripod
1 guy carries ammo
1 guy carries ammo
1 guy carries another barrel
>>28251104
I imagine the Garand is generally compared to other WW2 battle rifles and the M14 is compared to the AK/M-16.
>>28251080
MG3/42 is better than that thing.
I don't know why the Mg3 is not the NATO standard medium machinegun.
>>28251123
and soon we will have 22.3lbs 240L. Its a pretty perfect machine gun
>>28246322
that is a heavy machine gun ya twat and lets be real the ar 15 is the best small arm ever, don't give me this ak bullshit. no bolt hold open? no great way to mount optics? stupid selector lever? no thank you ar 15 please the only thing i got to say that sucks about the ar 15 is the cyclic rate is too damn high
>>28251123
There's plenty of those. PKM does it too but is way lighter to boot. Fuck even the MG3 is lighter.
>>28251104
M1a just isn't much different from the garand. it's basically just a garand with a mag and a different caliber, so it's not seen as a big deal. The garand was a huge innovation in its time bc the standard battle rifle of every other army was a bolt action rifle. the m1 garand helped change how wars were fought from a small unit standpoint.
The M1a it didn't perform well in vietnam due to the humidity and weight. (a soldier's kit in vietnam was much heavier than a soldier's kit in WWII, someone /r/ing the infographic). In that sense, it wasn't as influential/historically important because it wasn't a game changer in vietnam like the m1 garand was in the second world war.
>>28251144
240L is lighter and its the same shit as a 249 so soliders dont need to think to hard about its operation and maintenance.
>>28251190
only the L is lighter, by a few tenths of a kilo.
>>28251177
like I said, I understand why people like the Garand more. It is a decorated war hero of the weapon world. But even by todays standards everyone acts like mechanically Garands are this super great rifle while M1a are total shit, even though theyre the same
>>28251204
Hi Power is objectively superior in every way, as a military pistol.
>>28251190
Isn't the m249 fickle as fuck?
>>28251207
more like ~1.5 kilo lighter
plus its got a 4 inch longer barrel ahile only being 1 inch longer than a MG42.
Im not really trying to compare the two, I was in the US Army so I prefer the 240. Both a great machine guns so this isnt worth arguing.
>>28251228
like a lot of Army weapons. They bought a lot of them a long time ago. Then they get used and not properly maintained. So most of them by the time of the Afghan and IRaq wars. were worn out shits. Also doesn't help that no supply shop, armor, or s4 can provide the proper lubricant for them.
>>28251228
never heard any particular complaints, but designing a good machine gun isnt all that hard to do really. When weight and dimensions are set aside in preference of sustainable fire and reliability, any modern engineer can make something decent.
>>28251211
Its probably because everyone wants the m1a to be some kind of precision sniper rifle right out of the box, where they don't expect that out of the m1 garand.
There are also just way more cost effective .308 semi auto rifles out there, some of which are even more accurate out of the box.
There really aren't a whole lot, if any, .30-06 semi auto rifles out there that can meet the pricepoint of the garand from CMP.
>>28251104
>>28251177
>>28251211
>>28251278
The M1A has shit tier build quality cast receiver, bolts and other parts. The bedding gets fucked up if you even look at it. The barrel somehow keyholes after a 1000 rounds. All this and a 1500 buck pricetag.
Compare this to an all forged rifle that can have 15000 rounds through it before you have to replace any of the parts and can be bought for 730 and mailed to your door
>>28251104
Because an m14/M1A is not simply a magazine fed garand as many people assume. Plus, the contemporary view of the garand is very much shaped by popular opinion of American troops from the period, and glosses over some faire serious (though not at all totally damning) weaknesses of the rifle. Simply put, the garand enjoys the reputation of the soldiers who put it to good use, and the M14 is regarded much more realistically as the "modern" combat arm it was supposed to be.
>>28251590
>M14 isn't just a mag fed short-action Garand
It isn't? What are the mechanical/engineering differences that make it distinct?
>>28251590
>and glosses over some faire serious (though not at all totally damning) weaknesses of the rifle
Like which?
>>28250428
>M1919 needed two people to effectively carry it
>M2 is almost 5 times as heavy and that's not even counting ammo
>>28246352
Idk, this is a pretty good contender of a weapon right here
>>28251623
>paintball feed gooseneck
>>28251599
I never said short action. The gas system is very much different, the M14 uses a roller bearing on the bolt, as well as the receiver being shorter. >>28251610
Basically the same things people complain about the M14, the action is open to the elements and susceptible to dirt, grit, etc. The cold weather performance was less than optimal, and the long operating rod had a tendency to get bent. Nothing to damn the rifle like I said, just things you never hear much about
>>28246681
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/browning-m2-anti-mechanization-weapon/
>>28251165
There's so many retarded things about this post that I can't even rationalize spending the time to address every one of them.
>>28246399
Maximum kek
