What does /k/ think was the best rifle used by any power in the First World War? I'm referring to long rifles, not machine guns, etc. I personally think the Lee Enfield SMLE Mk III* was the best because of the larger capacity than most other rifles as well as the general ability the professional British Army initially had when using them.
I'm a fan of the Lee Enfield. A No1 MkIII is next on my list once I've squared away my No3 MkI.
I'd love to get one with the magazine cutoff intact.
>>28245817
Poat pics of your no3
Can the 1911 Schmidt-Rubin count?
While Switzerland wasn't technically in the war, there were border skirmishes.
>>28245817
No3 pics pls
>>28245539
I think that chinese semi was "the best."
What rifle was objecyively the most accurate? I know the americans were supposedly nutty accurate when they first joined in.
Berthier.
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>>28246837
I'm just waiting for a leather 1903 sling to arrive.
>>28249008
On a P14? They used British SMLE slings for that. It's also technically called a M1907 sling.
>>28249008
When I bought it, she had a sporterized stock, but everything else was in order.
>>28249126
Just a stand in til I can get another British sling.
>>28246094
You fags show up in every best WW1/2 rifle thread. The Swiss did not fight in either war and you can fuckoff before you bring in >muh border skirmishes >muh shootdowns
Personally, I love the Gewehr 98. I own both the Mauser Gewehr 98 and Lee Enfield. I enjoy shooting them, but I feel like if the Lee had a catastrophic failure, the bolt would come flying in to my head. I enjoy the smoothness of the action, but almost feels flimsy to me while the Mauser bolt feels more robust; I feel like that bolt won't budge even in the most horrible catastrophic failure.
I'm genuinely interested in hearing opinions on this issue. Would the bolt of the Lee handle a catastrophic failure as well as the Mauser?
>>28249278
I can't imagine a catastrophic failure that would cause the bolt to break free.
There are ports on either side of the breach to expel excess gas, and the bolt head is locked in a track that requires a 90° turn (after unlocking) to remove to the rear.
Beyond that I've never heard about a catastrophic failure with factory loads, and the hot loads I've fired bore no issues.
My exposure to Mauser actions is that of the Pattern 1914 and M1917, and my friends K98 but I believe they hold the same resiliency for failures.
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>>28249366
The bolt handle in a Lee does not serve as a lug and a Lee also does not have an emergency third lug. In a failure that would cause the lugs to fail a 98 would be much safer than a Lee
>>28245539
I think I'll have to agree with the SMLE Mk 3*, though one of my friends has an older Mauser with a nicer bolt. I still have him beat on magazine capacity though.
Pic related, 1917 BSA No. 1 Mk. 3*, matching numbers with an excellent bore. I got a bayonet earlier this year from SOG for it, bayonet is dated July 1915.
>>28245539
OP, you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. The SMLE is is the best WWI battle rifle in my opinion as well. They are accurate as hell, the 10 round magazine capacity is a big plus, the bolt is smooth as hell and fast to work. And on top of all of that the British made it with 4 different butt stock lengths: bantam, short, standard, and long. So the proper stock length could be tailored to the soldier. Mine originally came with a short and I kept hitting myself in the face with my hand so I have a long butt stock on it now and it's perfect.
>>28250562
Bantam? I've never heard of that option, is that supposed to be really short stock?
>>28249278
The Mauser action is overrated. It's not as strong as people make it out to be and the Lee action is a lot stronger than people think it is.
>>28249392
>In a failure that would cause the lugs to fail a 98 would be much safer than a Lee
That's something that won't ever happen. The third safety lug on a Mauser is useless.
>>28250771
> really short stock
Yes, you don't really see it all that often.
>>28250771
Yes. It's a full inch shorter than the standard. They were made for the Bantam battalion soldiers. Google them. They're interesting.
>>28250562
You do know that those short buttstocks are pretty rare? So are the longs for that matter.
>>28245539
the enfield would easily be best if it didnt use a rimmed cartridge. unfortunately that major downfall is hard to overlook. personally i think some mauser variant for speed and ease of reload.
GEW 98 with 20 round trench mag > enfield
>>28250848
pic related, my vote for being superior to enfield
>>28250865
>>28250848
god dammit here is pic
>>28250848
>Rimlock
>Something that happens to nonretards
Unless you load the gun like a fucking idiot, rimlock does not occur. You would know this if you were
1. An adult
2. Not talking out your ass.
>>28250813
>short buttstocks are pretty rare? So are the longs for that matter.
Interesting. I still have the short butt stock, don't ever want to get rid of it since it's original to the gun. I don't know about the rarity of the long butt stock though, I just went to my local surplus guy and picked one up. I'm fairly certain they had any length in stock.
>>28250848
It matters little that the cartridge is rimmed. A well designed action like the Lee negates it's shortcomings.
>>28250865
>>28250881
And what makes a Gew98 superior to the Enfield? It's longer barrel that's hard to move around in the trenches? It's poor sights that start at 400 meters?
>>28250935
I actually don't know how rare they are, but the shorts and longs are far rarer to find than the standard length ones. I do know that the Bantam ones are rare and most you see are on Indian rifles.
>>28250788
>locking lugs never fail
wew lad
>>28250917
yeah, you would rather be the guy fumbling with the order you load your bullets on a stripper clip while getting shelled before an enemy charge
dont forget the enfield headspaces on a rim, so as dirt and debris gets in the action, you have a higher risk of out of battery cartridge detonation . but obviously a noguns ex navy seal such as yourself knows these things
>>28249129
My SMLE was in a similar situation, chopped wood and missing a few minor parts, but nothing too hard to find.
Except the FUCKING STRIPPER CLIP GUIDE!
>>28250986
They don't just melt away. Set back can happen. They can crack, but they don't just give away.
>>28251003
>dont forget the enfield headspaces on a rim, so as dirt and debris gets in the action, you have a higher risk of out of battery cartridge detonation .
What? An out of battery detonation is the cartridge going off when the bolt is not locked. Dirt in the action won't cause that. You're talking out of your ass. You may have so much dirt in the action you can't close the bolt, but it won't cause the fucking gun to go off when the bolt is unlocked.
>>28251003
>>28251068
Also, the stripper clips come preloaded. A soldier doesn't carry loose rounds.
>>28251003
Gee, anon. You are right, putting bullets in a stripper is unpossible. That must be why almost all of the guns in ww1 used them, even those that fired rimless cartridges.
GJ confirming yourself ignorant.
Also, the order you load them in? What the literal fuck are you talking about? All you have to do to avoid rimlock is not jam your rounds too far forward in the magazine.
Again, you would know this, had you ever done any research on the subject or fired any gun ever.
I am curious how you found that special snowflake Mauser though. I'm guess you have a history buff uncle? dad?
>>28251097
That guy's an idiot, but you're supposed to position the rims in the stripper clip _-_-_ That positions the rounds in the magazine correctly.
>>28251097
i was saying its much easier to load rimless rounds in a stripper clip under duress than rimmed ones. because the order you load rimmed rounds in a clip MATTERS you imbecile. have you ever fired a rimmed cartridge rifle? every fucking round in the magazine has to be ahead of the rim of the one below it. why am i bothering explaining this to someone who obviously has no guns
>>28251068
>they can crack
You have to be seriously retarded to think a lug can't completely fail
>>28249129
can i asked what you payed? A guy at my range is selling one in perfect condition.
>>28251163
btw he's asking 600; but it comes with original everything, sling included, matching numbers, made in 1917.
>>28251133
That makes it easier to load.
The Enfield mag does not care how the ammo is stacked in the charger, any way you do it will work.
>>28251213
thats not true. in a mosin, yes they have an interrupter to hold the cartridge below down while the current one is fed in, on enfields, the order of the rims matters for reliable feeding
>>28251405
Order of rims only matters for ease of loading. The double stack mag and charger design mean they end up staggered right no matter how you load the charger.
>>28251158
No it fucking doesnt, stop talking shit anon.
firstly if you were acting under extreme pressure and had no full clips, why the fuck would you be dicking around trying to load loose rounds into an empty clip rather than just loading the rounds right in.
Not that it matters anyway because it doesnt matter what way they are loaded into the clip, when you push the rounds down from a clip into the lee enfields magazine, the floorplate drops down at an angle like the bottom of the magazine so all the rounds going in get slanted and properly aligned anyway. The reason why the clips are loaded like _-_-_ (which would cause rimlock if it werent for the magazine correcting the order when they go in) is so they are nice and symmetrical and hold together much better than if they were just done one infront of the other
The only way i can see rimlock happening on the lee is if you were loading the rounds individually and decided to be a dumb fuck and purposely stick the last rounds rim behind the one below it
Its pretty clear your an underaged b& and you've just read about rimmed cartridges on wikipedia and assumed one possible issue with them applies to all rifles which use them without knowing they pretty much all have designs which solve that issue in one way or another
>>28251405
But anon, the rounds stack themselves in the right order as they go in......
Does anyone have an inforgraphic about buying British army rifles?
not a rifle, but I did just order a reproduction of an M1897 because reasons
it's lacking the heatshield/bayo lug, but I found a site that sells those on their own, so I should be good to go to just plug and play.
if not, there's a gunsmith near me that's a pretty chill guy who'd probably get it on good and straight pretty cheap. just gotta get the actual bayonet and I'll be ready to drink hun tears.
>>28250813
Interesting, I've got a long stock on my No4. Friend that I got the furniture from a had a couple to choose from.
>>28251163
I'm Canada and paid about $200. I've seen other full rifles for $450-600 up here.
How much does a einfield go for now?
>>28256530
about the price of 3 enfield bullets
>>28245539
Steyr M95 and M95/30 G.O.A.T.
>>28257449
>Steyr M95 and M95/30 G.O.A.T.
Yeah fucking right nice joke
