The last thread brought the house down
Dummkopf Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
Despite Henschel’s victory in the Tiger competition, competitor Porsche had already sunk a significant amount of effort and capital into designing their own version (the VK4501(P)) – to the extent that they were confident enough to initiate production orders to some 90 tanks even before the results of the competition was announced. The Tiger (P)s that were left over were speedily put to use, some serving as a slightly different base for the original Tiger design, but most being fitted with a reinforced superstructure, elongated chassis and the hugely powerful PaK 43/2 8.8 cm L/71 gun. This retrofitting was done by Alkett Works at Berlin-Spandau, wherein a fixed turret was built to accommodate the long gun and the original Porsche engines were replaced by Maybach engines of equivalent power. The vehicle that would emerge, the SdKfz 184, was dubbed the “Ferdinand”. Later, it would earn the name of “Elefant”, joining its brethren in the menagerie of German tanks. The tank destroyer quickly carved out a fearsome reputation for itself; with 200 mm of steel armour on its frontal arc, and weighing over 65 tonnes, it would first see combat at the famed battle of Kursk in May 1943. Superior firepower and staying power were the main qualities of the Elefant, rather than any kind of finesse. By late 1943, Ferdinand units were pulled out of Russia and refitted with maintenance operations and upgrades, including a commander’s cupola and hull machineguns – the lack of which was a key liability during Kursk – and later defend against the Soviet counteroffensives.
> Gun
Rifled 88 mm PaK 43/2
> Dimensions (l w h)
8.14 x 3.38 x 2.97 m
> Weight
65 tonnes
> Engine
592hp petrol
> Speed
30 km/h
>>28239251
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
The Ferdinand was a potent vehicle, but as was the case with a fair few of the Wehrmacht’s heavier automotives, constantly let down by its utter lack of mobility; that said, its overall range was 150 km on a full tank, putting it far ahead of similarly roled vehicles like the Jadgpanther. The gun depression of the cumbersome L/71 and the fixed placement of the turret were key issues that led to many Elefants being incapacitated by faster moving Soviet tank groups and anti-tank weapons, without the opportunity for a commensurate reply by the Elefant’s powerful gun. The armour of the Elefant seems to have held up, as a large number of the Elefants present during the opening days of Kursk were abandoned rather than outright destroyed – nevertheless, a number of Soviet tankers including SU-152 crewmen reported kills on Elefants at several junctures during the battle. The lack of meaningful anti-personnel capability on the Elefant was also a problem, particularly during the heaviest moments of Kursk, although this was somewhat mitigated by the addition of a 7.92 mm MG34 in the hull in late war rebuilt vehicles – precisely 48 were modified in this manner.
In the end, a key lesson to take away is never compromise on the strategic mobility of an AFV in the event of a ground war spanning a large, open front, nor should tactical considerations be ignored for the sake of a single outstanding capability – in this case, it was Hitler’s agitation for the deployment of Elefants to the Eastern Front as soon as possible that led to ambiguous battlefield results.
>>28239260
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.
The Iraqi Ministry of Defense has announced the transfer of more unspecified Armoured Fighting Vehicles from Bulgaria to Iraq. Social media has corroborated that the transfer includes BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles and T-72 Main Battle Tanks, both of which are Russian derived designs.
In addition, the Czech firm Excalibur has also delivered 45 BMP-1 IFVs to the Iraqi government. Furthermore, the firm has also reportedly delivered T-72s and other vehicles to the Iraqi government in a series of unspecified deals.
Lithuania as of last week has selected the ARTEC Boxer 8x8 Infantry Fighting Vehicle for its armed forces. The German consortium has confirmed the sale of 88 Boxer vehicles, 84 of which are in an IFV configuration and 4 of which are command post variants. All vehicles are expected to be delivered by the end of 2019.
The Ukrainian Morozov Bureau (KMDB) BTR-4 has been recently spotted in use in North-Eastern Nigeria through online snapshots. The BTR-4Es allegedly ended up in Nigerian hands following a refusal from the Iraqi government to purchase the BTRs and were hence rerouted to Nigeria.
Slovenia’s Valhalla Engineering Group has showcased a conceptual mockup of a new Remote Weapon Station design. The ODIN KM 570 can reportedly mount a Bofors 57 mm cannon with 5.56 or 7.62 mm machineguns in a completely enclosed and power-operated turret,
And that’s all for now.
>>28239251
Good job as usual.
>>28239275
>The Iraqi Ministry of Defense has announced the transfer of more unspecified Armoured Fighting Vehicles from Bulgaria to Iraq.
Heh, those cougars, Polish MiG engines and border fence aren't gonna pay for themselves.
http://www.generaldynamics.com/news/press-releases/2015/12/general-dynamics-awarded-92-million-abrams-tank-production
>The U.S. Army TACOM Lifecycle Management Command has awarded General Dynamics Land Systems a $92.2 million contract to upgrade M1A2 System Enhancement Package (SEP) v2 Abrams tanks to the M1A2 SEP Version 3 (v3) configuration. General Dynamics is working closely with the Army to improve the survivability, maintainability, fuel efficiency, power generation and network capability of its fleet of Abrams Main Battle Tanks.
>>28239671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP8jw2WrgX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L94E8DGLmjw
>>28239736
so does tusk II actually exist is that pic a shoop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0o29llhkI
>>28239805
Yes, but it wasn't used for some reason.
I would guess it was because swapping skirts was easier.
Full video soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb0Id_PNgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSUpxj1l9uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlJauvLDuAg
>>28240754
Whats the point of a new SPG really? What can it do that a 2S19 can't?
>>28239898
Jeepers that was a huge tank, by any standard.
>>28241198
New gun (up to 80km range advertised). Automated unmanned turret. Unification with Armata chassis coming soon (now it's T-90).
>>28241198
I don't know what the 2S19 lacked that the Koalitsiya has, but in general things that can always be improved...
More storage space
Upgraded electronics
Upgraded aiming systems
Upgraded defensive systems
Better armor
And so on.
>>28239251
>https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lopinion.fr%2Fblog%2Fsecret-defense%2Fl-arabie-saoudite-s-interesse-char-leclerc-93099&edit-text=&act=url
Quite related and nice enough to warrant a repost here: Saudi Arabia is looking for 250 new MBTs and seems to have been impressed enough with the UAE Leclercs in Yemen to obtain a demonstration of the MBT despite the fact that the assembly line is in cold storage. Such an order would hasten and cheapen the upgrade program of the french Leclercs as well so there would be an industrial point for the frogs to do so if it ever happens. Despite the fact that Leo 2 seems to be the most probable choice, source blog is as reliable as reporters can be, so at least there is some truth behing it.
Kind of off topic but... Does anyone have any links related to Hitler's AAA or AT guns situated on the French / German border just before the Sept. 1939?
I remember learning about it in school but never coming across it again.
Is the t-90ms purely for export? Russia seems to never put their actual decent tanks on the front lines untill they've something else in the works to replace it. Also when will we see videos of the t-14's accuracy both stationary and on the move?
>>28241198
Pretty much sums it up
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/coalition-sv.htm
>>28241224
>T-90
2S19 based on heavily modified T-80 chassis using T-72 engine
Ferdinands are the name given before the machine gun upgrades. Elephants are the retrofitted machines.
>>28242013
yep
>>28241301
>can't into combined arms warfare
>Abrams getting blown up
>GUIZE ABRAMS SUCKS LET'S BUY A NEW ONE
>buy Leclercs
>can't into combined arms warfare
>Leclercs getting blown up
plz no.
>>28241937
What's the source? I might order the book.
>>28242098
But hey! You might get to go on another French taxpayer funded holiday to Riyadh.
>>28241786
and koalitsiya uses a different chassis, a modified t-90 one
>>28242293
The prospect of the contract facilitating the scheduled upgrade of the Leclerc is the only bright side I see, to be honest.
>>28242336
To be honest that's the main reason i posted the news. Fuck the Saudis, no amount of quality gear can save them from their incompetence. But if you can get your upgrades aerlier, they can buy gold-plated Leclercs i they wish so for all I care.
>>28242336
>>28242375
Riyadh is pretty nice this time of yeah. Don't bring your mother, sister or girlfriend with you though.
>>28241522
Looking at this tank there seems nothing Russian (Soviet) about it. The hull seems like a work of art but the turret I just don't get. It doesn't seem to have any armor. I know the turret is crewless but still it just seems like anything will go through it. It the turrent a place holder for now? That would be my guess that having a smaller turret on this large hull will accommodate larger turrets with larger guns.
Any news on this or sources?
>>28242406
I speculate that they'll end up using the original Object 187 turret, which is a lot more conventional "clamshell" shaped.
>>28242406
This would have been better
Where would one go if he was in search of technical documents for the Renault FT-17? I'm specifically looking for schematics. It is my life-long dream to build a fully functioning replica before I die. Simple Google searching has only come up with line silhouettes. Those WOULD be useful if they had dimensions, but none do. Anyone care to help a fellow tread head out?
On a similar note, what do you guys think would be the most difficult part of the build? Me personally, either crafting and fitting custom replica tracks, or creating and retrofitting a transmission and gearbox to a modern engine. Because unless I can find a genuine intact FT-17 engine, I'll be using a modern one of a similar power. I'll probably stick with a modern motor, simply due to that, when I'm done, I'd want to donate it to a museum that does driving shows like Bovington.
>>28242530
Ask operatorchan, they've got spergs with libraries worth of technical manuals
>>28242592
Ayy are those RWS i see under those tarps?
>>28243016
Naw, man. They are just the TC's MAG and coax M2.
>>28243315
What's with the conical shaped thingie at the end ?
>>28243477
Recoil booster.
>>28243477
A loudener, so the Pally scum know what's coming.
>>28240754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHV0R30fueY
>>28241224
>(up to 80km range advertised
jesus christ, no way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3adAZ8kols4
is the turkish altay tank decent or is it a meme? i dont know anything about tanks but turks are claiming it rivals the armate and shit
sorry if wrong thread
>>28239251
Wasn't there a command Tiger (P) that they didn't convert and just bolted a fuck off huge plate to the front mantlet? Any pictures of that? Sounds cool as shit.
>>28244008
they bolted a plate on the front hull armor not the mantlet
Butts.
>>28244531
Are the metal chains really useful?
>>28244531
Does the Merk have a tank phone for people outside to communicate with the crew inside?
>>28244730
No they've just kept through every single upgrade process for shits and giggles, because you know how jews love to waste money.
>>28244531
Yeah, they are effective against the more basic shaped charges.
>>28244814
Yep. You can see its hatch open to the right of the reverse camera in pic related.
>>28244008
>>28244070
It's just the uparmoring package from the Ferdinand/Elefant applied to the original Vk4501(P) prototype, with extra radio systems so it can function in the command role.
>>28243990
Its basically a K2 hull with a Turkish turret, at the very least it should be on par with modern tanks.
>>28245132
>Its basically a K2 hull with a turret, filled with licensed copies produced in Turkey
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/vehicles/2015/12/17/germanys-army-procures-new-boxer-armored-personnel-carriers/77491026/
Germany is buying another 131 Boxers, between that and Lithuania's purchase ARTEC must be in a good mood.
>>28245267
The turret is a Turkish design.
sup /thg/, I recently made a thread about my visit to the Panzermuseum Munster (former Bundeswehr educational collection of tanks turned into a museum), finally got around to resize and rotate that shit so are you ready for a TANK DUMP?
This and the previous photo show an exact replica of an A7V Tank. The only known surviving A7V has been taken Down Under by the Aussies.
I keep on forgetting what this Tank is called, it looks similiar to a british developed tank but was german in its nature (as usual, different engineers coming up with the same solution to a problem). Never really made it into mass production, war ended, Surrendermonkeys took the remaining examples, later gave them to the Dutch and this one was given back to Germany by the Dutch in God-knows-when.
Panzer 38(t), czech, brittle steel, piece of crap, served to teach a lot of tankers including Carius.
Turret of a Panzer II they'd like to restore (pls donate monies)
Maybach engine of a Panzer II. 140 horses out of a 6.2L engine were good for the time!
Turret of an early Panzer IV with the stubby little gun that wished it could penetrate
Based Panther greats the visitors directly upon entry to the museum. To me it felt wrong to photograph the Panther first so here it is, after (more or less) the Panzer IV.
By the way, as far as I know most or all of the tanks are fully serviced and working.
And here I go and mix it up with a Panzer III, Afrika Korps edition. My bad.
Mighty Tiger, strong and prowling, coated in Zimmerit
This Tiger has seen some shit during its lifetime, and I don't mean just Slavshit.
Speaking of Slavshit
Anyways, back to german stuff - here's a "Goliath", a small remote controlled bomb used by engineers to blow up obstacles they couldn't reach due to enemy fire.
>>28245691
are you german
This is more or less the opposite of the Goliath, but fulfills a similiar role - the Borgward B IV was driven by its crew to the AO, then the crew dismounted and remotely controlled the Borgward to an obstacle in need of some explosions, dropped the big ass rectangle on the front off and steered it away.
>>28245894
Yes
later edition of the Panzer IV (can't remember if F or G, sorry)
A Kettenrad, essentially the halftrack version of a bike but with a proper stick shift. Used to pull loads too light to waste an Opel Blitz on.
Hetzer's gonna hetz. I had to hold back not to pat it.
They put up a KwK 42 L/70 to display it, it was put to use in both the Panther and the Jagdpanzer IV.
Here is a Jagdpanzer IV that was used by a Panzer-Lehrdivision to teach the young 'uns how to point tank at Slavshit to make it go kaboom
Here is a Jagdpanzer IV from a combat unit, fully decked out in anti-magnetic Zimmerit paste
The Jagdpanther feels weird right next to the Jagdpanzer IVs and the Hetzer because it just dwarfs them with its height.
It has also seen quite some shit. That angled glacis on the casemate was definitely a lifesaver.
Marder III, one of the earlier tank destroyers
Buncha german halftracks
StuG III. I also had to hold back not to pat this one.
Poor Stuggy has also seen some shit
Sturmpanzer IV "Brummbär" - the original purpose of the StuG III was very similiar to the designated main purpose of the Sherman, namely being a support vehicle for the Infantry whenever they encounter any form of resistance they can't instantly deal with and where calling in Artillery to advance further would take too long for (correct me if I'm wrong).
Since more and more StuG IIIs were put into a Tank Destroyer role, the need for a new Sturmgeschütz arose - and was fulfilled by the Sturmpanzer IV. Its 15cm Howitzer was strong enough to make a building collapse within 2-3 shots.
And when you had a job that a bear couldn't do, you'd get a tiger - the Sturmtiger, that is. Equipped with a mortar that was originally meant to be used by U-boats to bombard coastlines, this thing fired 345kg heavy grenades up to 5.6 kilometers away.
This is one of only 18 ever built.
I tip-toed to get a look at the backside and a tiny glimpse into the interior. The ammunition (limited to 15 rounds per vehicle) was so heavy that they had to put a little crane on top of the casemate to lift it in there.
A Wespe self-propelled artillery gun. Open-topped and based on the Panzer II chassis, armed with a 10.5cm Howitzer, this thing kept the Panzer II chassis alive way after the Battle of France during which it was deemed to be unsuitable as a main battle tank.
This is what it looks like on the inside - I didn't step on it, as I have respect, once again just tip-toeing and lifting muh smartphone as high as I could. Meanwhile in the Cold War section some respectless dumbasses climbed in and out of the showcased vehicles.
A Hummel self-propelled artillery gun. The chassis is a nice mix-and-match of Panzer III and Panzer IV, containing the driving and steering system of the III plus the suspension and engine of the IV.
What's a tank museum without a Sherman? A bad one.
I also like the name it was given.
Soviet SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The cupola reminds me of a garbage bin.
British Comet Tank. Came late, was great but late so it did not see too much action - it did remain with the Britbongs 'till '58 and saw a lot of action during the Korean War.
Its main armamant, the 77mm HV, was superior to the KwK 42 L/70 pictured earlier (when comparing APDS rounds).
And now for the highlight of their WW2 section, the Tiger II/King Tiger!
>>28246507
The armor on that one seems a lot more smoother - was the non-slippery texture never there on this one?
Pictured together with the ammunition of its 8.8cm KwK 43L/71, the Tiger Ausf. B (as it was officially called by the Wehrmacht) weighed in at almost 70 metric tons and was very well armored with its thick, sloped glacis.
During that time of the war it was more likely to run out of fuel than to be destroyed.
>>28246541
>non slippery texture
You mean Zimmerit anti-magnetic paste? They stopped applying it to tanks in autumn of '44 due to concerns that hits could ignite it. While this was proven to be untrue, the order was still kept in place - applying Zimmerit added quite some days of workload to the production of a vehicle, so it makes sense in that regard.
And with this butt shot of the Tiger II I'll bid farewell 'till another time when I'll dump the Cold War era tanks I photographed.
Sadly my battery died at one point in so some of the photos are lost, including one of a Merkava.
I hope you lot enjoyed it!
>>28246549
Doing great! Keep posting please.
>>28246213
I've always wondered what the flattened helmet on a stick looking thing on German tanks was. Is it some kind of low-angle headlight?
>>28239671
So when will they move over to the A3? Im guessing its going to be the version just before the replacement. They're probably holding the name until they start planning a new MBT.
>>28244730
Moreso than paper, wooden, or plastic chains, yes.
>>28242336
I know business is business, but why do you deal with these vile nations (which is ironically the standard bearer of the type of people the French have been back lashing against) while ignoring the more French friendly countries that need new weaponry.
>>28246923
because money anon, is it that hard to figure out?
Who are these countries that need French weapons and have the money to pay for them?
>>28246886
Given that the finished ECP Bradley is apparently going to be called the M2A4, it is possible that the finished Abrams will be renamed M1A3 instead of SEPv3.
>>28246989
well the sepv3 sounds kinda shit to be a new designation. I mean unless they did some major changes to the armor package there really isn't anything that new other than the gun data link.
>>28246956
French weapons aren't the most affordable either compared to other options. The UAE and the Saudis are examples of people with money to throw around.
>>28246895
But no one uses those.
>>28246879
It's a patented headlight for use at night in war
>>28247155
It actually is getting a new armor package, thats how we know there are ~1600 planned based on budget requests.
Other improvements include 3rd gen thermal sights, a low profile RWS and standardizing various modifications.
>>28247719
I don't see what they could do with the armor at this point they already took out pretty much all the steel they could and replaced the rest with titanium, and shoved as much DU as they could fit in. So maybe some new ceramic patter or new composite all together?
>>28246770
Thanks! One more for you. While not a tank, this is Erwin Rommels death mask.
>>28247785
The armour package is modular so can be constantly upgraded with new composites like DU or chobam.
>>28246043
Wrong. Thats the first or one of the first prototypes made of mild steel. Also, Division "lehr" wasnt a lehr/teach division.
Been there 2 years ago myself. Left with the rumbling of guns on the actual army training ground.
>>28247785
Material science continuously progresses. Shit like graphene would have been unobtanium even back in the 90's.
has there been any tank designs since the tanks of ww1 that use side sponsons?
>>28248693
The early iterations of the TOG come to mind, I'm sure there's others.
>>28248693
Don't know if Mark VII Heavy counts or not, it was designed while WWI was on but never saw action and the vast majority were post-war models. Aside from that there were a couple of prototypes such as TOG II* that never saw production and there were a number of multi-turret designs.
>>28248745
That tank has a turret mounted tank.
WHY WAS THIS NOT A THING!?!?
>>28248752
it's like a lifeboat, but for tanks. "lads the main tank is a gonner. Get into the escape tank"
>>28248745
"TOG II*" is actually the final product of the program, as seen in Bovington, the only ones with sponsons were the early versions.
>>28247785
This is why I think active protection is the future.
>The UK MoD has released a tender document for an initial pre-competition phase for the life extension of 227 Challenger II (CR2) main battle tanks in the British Army.
>http://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:436189-2015:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
>>28249115
I'm happy and disappointed at the same time
>>28249081
Don't forget innovations like Electrically Reactive Armor.
>>28250614
r/ing that video of the demonstration.
>>28246335
These vehicles want people inside of them, they need people inside of them.
They hate being left with no crew, hardly ever started up and driven around, never fired, they miss the feeling of a young man messing with their gears and dials and switches.
These poor tanks are longing to be scrapped just to be put out off their endless misery.
>>28246335
I don't think it's disrespectful to want to go inside a tank.
>>28248693
I think the m3 is the last to have that feature
>>28248462
Thank you, I do remember the plaque stating that it was used to train troops on.
>>28251434
Most if not all of them are in working order and being driven in periodic intervals, doofus
These are happy old tanks enjoying their retirement home.
>>28242530
Just thought I'd chip in and say good luck! That'll be an awesome hobby, especially if you have a kid and get him to join in, all the best to you.
If you ever get somewhere with put a thread up about it, it'd be nice to see!
>>28252294
I thank you for the vote of confidence. It's something I've been serious about for a long time, but I'm still young, uneducated, and without a comfortable job in which I have time and money to buy all the steel and tools I'll need. People, although usually big companies like Warner Brothers, have done it, so I know I can too one day. If I find technical documents, all I'd need to do is assess how much it will cost and save up that amount. It Will happen before I die, and I promise I'll keep you posted when the work begins.
>>28252227
That reminds me, anyone excited for Bovington Tankfest next year?
>>28251294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rxBifd0cY
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/12/18/lockheed-files-injunction-stop-work-jltv/77586604/
Lockheed is doubling down.
have a great day and happy holidays fellow tank lovers
>>28255075
You too mate.
>>28255444
thanks brother
nice trips and nice pic
>>28253719
First General Dynamics Land Systems bitches about the Amphibious Combat Vehicle, and now Lockheed Martin is also bitching about the JITV competition which they lost fair and square? Give me a break.
>>28255722
That's the thing, Lockheed might not have lost fair and square.
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/12/jltv-lockheed-set-to-sue-govt-over-withheld-documents/
>“Just before the anticipated GAO decision on JLTV, and well after the GAO’s hearing process was concluded, the US Army came forward with a large volume of documents that had not been produced prior to the hearing. Lockheed Martin believes that this previously undisclosed data would have materially affected the case, including the testimony and cross examination of government witnesses,” the source said. “[But] Lockheed Martin was notified by the GAO that no additional hearings would be conducted, no extension of the deadline would be granted, with the results that the decision would have not taken into account the additional data.”
Someone in the army wanted Oshkosh's vehicle, and went about to make it happen.
>>28255800
Well fuck Lockheed. I hope they lose this battle, they should have continued the venture with Patria. Hah, when the time comes to replace the Hornets we have, I bet F-35 will be dropped. Unless our politicians fuck things up
>>28246057
I believe Zimmerit is "non-magnetic" and not "anti-magnetic"
>>28256093
JLTV =/= ACV 1.1, Patria is just as dirty a player as Lockheed is, and the F-35 is the best option for Finland.
>>28255444
Requesting more Christmassy tank pics.
>>28256183
>F-35 is the best option for Finland.
>Not going for the aircraft built specifically for roadbases when your whole air defence doctrine centers around roadbases.
I bet the F-35A even needs more than 800m for take off.
Also, sorry for drifting away from topic.
>>28256833
I can hear the straw grasping from the other side of the Atlantic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XYFuZkKNs0
>>28255800
>iraq/afghanistan war ends
>completely ignore any and all lessons, scrap the MRAPS, and go back to buying humvees
:)
>>28258101
So you have no idea what the JLTV is, and think Humvees are bad because it was being used in a role it was not intended for.
>>28258101
MRAP and Humvee/JLTV fill different roles.
MRAP is built for COIN, which involves mostly patrolling in an IED heavy environment. Therefore it emphasized blast protection and armor.
The Humvee and JLTV are built to be general purpose motor vehicles, essentially updated Jeeps, doing everything that a military need a vehicle for. Therefor it emphases modality, multi-use functionality and cost.
>>28255800
As someone who deals with automotive matters, I feel Oshkosh as a firm are the right people for the job anyway.
>>28245985
That insignia is so cool looking.
>>28260031
Shit was so cash.
Bump.
>>28261983
Bumping with a rare pepe.
>>28257222
>F-35B
>Relevant.
Posting some photos from Bovington taken over 20 years ago. These are vehicles captured after the Gulf war and still in their original Iraqi colours. I think some have been repainted since.
>>28262483
I think this one is repainted in green so while prettier, no longer authentic.
>>28255800
Looks just like a german dingo...
>>28240754
Huh. It's almost Victory day again. Time sure flies fast
>>28243990
Is this the tank that they're developing with Indonesia or is it a different tank?
>>28251434
>These vehicles want people inside of them, they need people inside of them.
They hate being left with no crew, hardly ever started up and driven around, never fired, they miss the feeling of a young man messing with their gears and dials and switches.
L-Lewd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_1YHBo9cag
if not mistaken today we should get full video
>>28246507
>>28246549
Ah...the KT. The wehraboos favourite. "If the germans had fuel and ammo the King Tigers would turn the tide!" they always say. Seriously though would it? I mean if the allies still have air superiority it'll just get BTFO.
>>28263030
that MC is dumb and rude
>>28263052
Why would you think that?
>>28263059
from a bunch of ep of that show
in the one he visit TsNIITochMash, he shoot the VSS like the poor thing even have a muzzle blast
in the Armata ep he stepped on Uralvagonzavod representative's pant while clawing into the tank
his rudeness won't even stop when he talking with sukhoi test pilot
>>28263030
I thought he was gonna use the gun to get on top of the van
>>28263082
Do you have a link to any of the videos? I'm interested
>>28263094
Teлeкaнaл ЗBEЗДA have all of them in their channel
the same channel in your first post
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcRxMIXa98X-ejsnO4f6yOzKRSht944jW
>>28245738
>Panzer 38(t)
>piece of crap
You watch your goddamn whore mouth
IT'S HERE FUCKERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9yXTSMZ8c
what i would give for proper translations of all the Russian tv shows about armor
>>28246391
>all those helmets on the back wall
Muh dick
>>28264253
BitnikGr revival
i miss him
>>28264253
You still can learn Russian, later maybe too late.
Thanks for image dump germanbro, cool to see tanks with battle damage
>>28245713
there was a massive effort to save it during the 2011 Brisbane floods
>>28264085
Muh dik
>>28265281
The Bovington A7V looks ok too. It's probably a bit too perfect and near looking on the seams and rivets though, but at a distance it looks great.
>>28258255
> The Humvee and JLTV are built to be general purpose motor vehicles, essentially updated Jeeps, doing everything that a military need a vehicle for.
Humvees are, but the JLTV are a cross between a Humvee and an MRAP but can’t do either’s job worth a shit, as they have a minuscule cargo capacity compared to a Humvee yet insufficient armor protection when compared to an MRAP.
The JLTV is the worst of both worlds and will require the retention of both the Humvee and MRAP, thus making the JLTV a waste of tax payer money.
>>28267272
The JLTV is the Army's recognition that the Humvee is absolute shit for combat duties, even when uparmored. The Humvee is absolute shit. Now, the JLTV is more designed for that. It's designed to be a mover of troops who could be taken under fire. The Humvee simply does not perform that role adequately. But, it still does do the role of moving things around when not in danger just fine. MRAPs will not be really required. You can see them already being gotten rid of.
>>28262258
Yeah, fairly relevant.
>>28267520
> The JLTV is the Army's recognition that the Humvee is absolute shit for combat duties, even when uparmored
No, Humvees are shit vs IED landmines but up-armored Humvees are valid light combat vehicles.
> MRAPs will not be really required. You can see them already being gotten rid of.
Yes, because insurgents have forgotten what IEDs are and the U.S. will never have to deal with insurgents again anyways…
The JLTV program is just another welfare scheme by the Military-Industrial Complex and their lackeys in D.C., where tax payers are soaked for some gee-wiz weapon system that isn’t as good as what we already have and have already paid for.
>>28267520
>The Humvee is absolute shit.
Humvees are great when you don't force them into a role they were never meant for (IED heavy COIN patrols).
The L-ATV is downscaled MRAP as a replacement for uparmored Humvees which were never designed to take that extra weight.
>>28267647
Do you really think MRAPs are suitable for use outside of COIN patrols? They are not a general purpose combat vehicle.
>>28266384
How did the armor on the A7V hold up against the MK IV?
>>28268666
doubtful they ever met in combat
>>28269953
But in terms of their respective gun capabilities and plate thicknesses?
>>28270063
Both of them were only armored to resist rifle and machine gun fire. Any cannon fire easily penetrated.
>>28270340
I've read first hand accounts of British tankers in 1918 that say that even machine gun fire and rifle fire in the thinner parts of the armor created massive amounts of spalling and exterior shrapnel, which could be pretty dangerous to the crewmen and infantry in close support respectively.
>>28268079
> Do you really think MRAPs are suitable for use outside of COIN patrols? They are not a general purpose combat vehicle.
Neither is the JLTV, nor is it as useful as existing MRAPs in counter insurgency operations, hundreds of which are just sitting parked in the desert or being given away free to other countries...
>>28267647
IED's is not even an insurgent thing
Any war can/will have a guerrilla element, so you are going to end up with logistics units getting ambushed/IED'd.
Humvee is not suitable for anything other than peacetime operations
In which case you could just buy a commercial truck
>>28271210
>mobility of a thin skinned Humvee
>better protection than a uparmored Humvee
>ITS ONLY USABLE IN COIN PATROLS!
Thank you for letting us know you either have no idea what these vehicles are, or are simply a complete moron.
>>28271460
>Humvee is not suitable for anything other than peacetime operations
Their combat history outside of IED heavy areas implies otherwise.
Three Fingers of Death.
Funny seeing all these old, funny looking equipment going out of service in favor of everything-is-in-box-or-tube designs we have today.
>>28269953
They definitely did meet for the first tank battle. There were losses both sides and it was the MkIV Male that did all the work.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Villers-Bretonneux
So the T-90's basically just the T-72 chassis... it also has the bottom escape hatch close by the driver, right? Any escape hatch info in terms of the Armata? And aren't bottom hatches really bad against mines?
>>28272543
The main advancements of the T-90 are mostly evident on the turret itself, especially in the unconventional shape and the higher tech doodads on it.
As for the escape hatch, literally no one outside of Russia knows, but I would doubt it, because as you said, it would compromise a lot of its resilience against mines.
>>28267647
What is thatt arm thing on the side for?
>>28273181
It's an articulated arm for ordnance disposal.
>>28272325
Do you have another source? The page, probably because Wikipedia, doesn't mention tanks at all.
>>28272543
>And aren't bottom hatches really bad against mines?
Yes, they create a weak spot that's likely to give way in case of a detonation.
>>28272543
Are you talking about the T-72BU/T-90 or the T-90A?
T-72BU
>fire control on part with T-80U
>Shtora-1
>840 hp engine, more powerful than most T-72
T-90A
>new turret, Ob 187 turret
>thermal camera, latter model have French made thermal camera
>1000 hp engine
>>28272543
>aren't bottom hatches really bad against mines
They can be, the Chieftain was horrifically bad because the escape hatch opened INWARDS.
AFAIK T-72/90 escape hatch opens outwards, which would prevent it just being blown inwards like the Chieftain's.
>>28273656
>T-72/90 escape hatch opens outwards
The escape hatch on the M-60 also opens outwards.
>>28273675
So does the one in Leo1, thank fuck. I am unfamiliar with the M-60, but when I learned the Chieftain's opened inwards I could barely believe it.
>>28272543
>>28272937
>>28273402
All T-64, T-72, T-80, T-90 have escape hatch just behind driver seat, but as drivers compartment is already quite cramped and opening is small you must be quite nimble and slim to use it. Other crew members can also use this hatch.
Unlike Abrams, driver can also escape through the turret if turret is facing forward, but if Abrams is traversed forward the driver is completely trapped!
From 1999 upgraded T-72B have improved mine protection by slightly thicker escape hatch (thicker than rest of hull floor) and additional amour inside vehicle directly under driver.
>>28273560
840hp V-84 common to all T-72B models.
all models of T-90A have ESSA sight with french thermal camera.
>>28273656
Yes, T-64/72/80/90 escape hatch open outward, it drops to floor once 4 latches are released.
>>28245839
>>28245853
This is the 'Frankentiger', put together by parts from a lot of Tigers.
>>28273396
Did you read the same page as me?? Three A7V met three MkIV (two female and a male). It's where Mephisto (the A7V in Australia) was captured after its crew abandoned it.
Has this photo of the E-100 been artificially coloured? I've not seen it published in black and white anywhere else, but it all being in red oxide just doesn't seem likely to me, popular as it is among some modellers.
>>28274870
colour modification.
>>28274870
its accurate, red oxide is the standard colour of the factory basecoat primer of all german WW2 vehicles
its called "Rotbraun"
>>28275046
While that's true in itself, they were usually quick to give a yellow coat as that's more hard wearing and safer, as I thought the primer was toxic to handle. Given how long the E-100 was sitting around being built and the chassis being mostly finished and awaiting a turret and tracks, I think it likely to have been coated in yellow. B&W photos are not clear, the E-100 looks lighter in some and dark in others, but darker photos would suggest red primer.
>>28240754
oh look an utterly massive target that is unmistakable even from the air
why are things like this still made?
>>28274870
doesn't look re-colored to me
also I've never seen this picture in black and white
>>28274870
image searching this pic brings up a french site that re-colors these pictures.
>>28273870
>From 1999 upgraded T-72B have improved mine protection by slightly thicker escape hatch (thicker than rest of hull floor) and additional amour inside vehicle directly under driver.
La sauce ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDLnTB__vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQjHLYx954
>>28276564
It can't be killed.
>>28276564
Alright /thg/, how would you modernize the M8 for Mobile Protected Firepower?
Remember that its engine is no longer in production.
>>28264301
where the fuck did he go. Have him in subscibed list for youtube for years but then couldnt find him
>>28277192
Keep it essentially the same. New engine, new electronics, capability to add ERA or an APS. And that's essentially it. Really, the design is solid. If you REALLY wanted to, up the gun to the 120 like the one demonstrator.
Another possibility is that the ammunition load is too small for what the Army has in mind, which would be a major problem design wise. You'd have to enlarge the thing, which means more weight, which is a no-no. Other possible solutions... Perhaps replace the loader with an autoloader and shove more ammunition in? Perhaps some kind of turret bustle filled with more ammunition?
>>28277975
It already has an auto-loader tho.
>>28278034
Is it? I coulda sworn it was a human loader. Mea culpa.
>>28277192
New generation optics and electronics, APS maybe.
New engine since the original engine isn't in production.
Nothin much beyond that, seems like a solid design and I beleive it passed army trials and the only reason it didn't enter service is the fact that it's budget was suddenly cut to save money for other things.
Now that the Army has reopened the requirement for such a vehicle I don't see why they would just take a modernized version of a vehicle they already know works.
>>28278160
>why the WOULD'NT take
whoops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZ3v_LQ6UM
>>28278181
>>28278160
unmanned turrent would be mandatory for a light tank imo
The need for a light tank would disappear if they just abandoned the fantasy of large airborne operations.
>>28278734
Have you read into why the US army wants a light tank for its IBCTs?
>>28278917
Not him but No. Got a link?
>>28278926
http://www.benning.army.mil/mcoe/maneuverconference/ReadAhead/MRD/MPFinfopaper21Aug14.pdf
>>28278917
>>28279029
And it says on there, the only reason they need something so light is for airborne operations/flying tanks in cargo planes
>>28279162
You mean they need something that can be transported easily enough as to not impact the mobility of an IBCT?
Nah fuck logic, they should be issued Abrams.
>>28279276
Extremely inefficient to be flying shit like tanks around, when they can be loaded on boats & shipped.
Would be far more cost effective to develop nuclear powered cargo ships that can cruise at 30+ knots.
>>28279332
So build a 35-40 ton AFV on the abrams chassis
problem solved.
Not a 20 ton light tank with less protection than a stryker
>>28277975
>If you REALLY wanted to, up the gun to the 120 like the one demonstrator.
Probably one of those RUAG low recoil 120mm guns, the question is how would it effect the ammunition loadout (105mm NATO rounds actually have longer cases than 120mm).
>>28279362
>So build a 35-40 ton AFV on the abrams chassis
There goes the mobility of an IBCT.
>Not a 20 ton light tank with less protection than a stryker
By less protection you mean between equal protection to a Stryker and equal protection to a A3 Bradley.
>>28279362
>Extremely inefficient to be flying shit like tanks around, when they can be loaded on boats & shipped.
Can you guarantee you will always have ocean access?
>>28279444
So again, we're talking about airborne operations limiting the capability of the IBCT?
Really, the concept of a "light infantry" IBCT shouldn't exist.
>>28279459
If you don't have ocean access then you seize ocean access. Such as when Iran was invaded in WW2.
>>28244070
why do these tanks looks like the armor has grooves in it? what was the reason for that?
>>28279911
Zimmerit. Hardened paste that makes magnetic shit (like mines) fail to stick. Dunno if it proved useful.
>>28279879
>Really, the concept of a "light infantry" IBCT shouldn't exist.
Something they never were.
>If you don't have ocean access then you seize ocean access. Such as when Iran was invaded in WW2.
You make it sound so simple.
