American tech BTFO yet again.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-russian-built-kilo-submarine-kills-american-nuclear-14473
>The Indian submarine INS Sindhudhvaj (S56) allegedly “killed” USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN 705) during an exercise called Malabar that is held annually between India, Japan and the United States. According to the Indians, the submarines were assigned to track each other down in the Bay of Bengal. “The way it happens is that the Sindhudhvaj recorded the Hydrophonic Effect (HE) - simply put, underwater noise - of the nuclear powered submarine and managed to positively identify it before locking on to it. Being an exercise what did not happen was the firing,” an Indian naval officer told India Today. The Indian vessel then “sank” USS City of Corpus Christi using 533mm torpedoes.
>>28055085
It is a testament to the skill of Indian submarine crews that they were able to succeed with an inferior vehicle.
>>28055122
It is a testament to the quality of the submarine that they were able to succeed with an inferior crew
>>28055122
is USN now full of low-IQ retards or something? they should have won this exercise hands down.
just imagine what an encounter with russians would look like... they're craftier than israelis.
>>28055085
>Nonetheless, it’s not a huge surprise that a Russian-built Kilo would be able to defeat a Los Angeles-class attack boat. The Los Angeles class is a dated design that is slowly being replaced by the newer and exponentially quieter Virginia-class submarine. However, it must be noted that we do not know the rules of engagement or parameters that the sides had agreed to. Furthermore, it must be noted there is the possibility of exaggeration.
I wonder how many Indian subs were "killed" in this exercise.
>>28055085
>City of Corpus Christi
Literally the most obsolete submarine in US service. A Flight I Los Angeles Class.
>>28055085
Old news, ALL *NUCLEAR* SUBMARINES MAKE NOISE. It's impossible to silence the reactors like the diesel/electric subs.
There's a reason the diesel/electric subs are more popular in the countries that are enemies of the US.
>>28055228
This. See also: Khibiny shutting down AEGIS.
The more complex = the weaker it is.
>>28055146
Well obama is going crazy with trying to be progressive in the military
>>28055085
>Indian
Dis-
Fucking-
Regarded.
Indian shits won't let anyone play with them unless they agree before hand to let them win so they can look stronk to CHina and Pakistan.
>>28055146
Go read the report from a few years back from a US navy officer involved in an officer exchange program with the Indian Navy in what I believe was a Delhi class destroyer (a mashup of some tech from russian sovremenny's kixed with design features from older british/russian boats on an indian made hull).
He spent several days with the Indians and he marvelled at how incompetent and garbage tier they were.
>>28055266
Maybe in whatever fucked up Bizarro world you live in.
>>28055281
>Maybe in whatever fucked up Bizarro world you live in.
Nuclear reactors can't be silenced. >>28055228 is correct in that it's an inherent flaw.
Nuclear subs are inherently weaker than diesel/electric and can ALWAYS be 'heard'. Get bent burger nigger.
>>28055085
>unsubstantiated currynigger currying.jpg
So the INS DESIGNATED SHITTING SUB allegedly identified where the oldest sub in the US fleet was during an exercise to train the Indians how to into sub warfare.
Wagonwheelfags never learn
>>28055300
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>>28055299
Except that's wrong. Astute and Virginia subs are so quiet they run into the "hole in the ocean" issue. They're quieter than the sounds of the ocean around them.
>>28055281
Spot the AR faggot.
>>28055324
That doesn't make any sense.
>>28055228
Ohios can run at low power without turning on the coolant pumps. Purely passive circulation, much quieter.
How do they shit in the streets when they're underwater?
>>28055318
I'm picturing a ensign somewhere whose job it is to operate the secret sonic blending device.
He spends his shifts on duty in a bubble bath listening to whale noises.
>>28055299
> he thinks diesel subs make zero sound and aren't detectable.
Cute.
>>28055085
>Indians boasting about their "accomplishments" in exercises.
They did the exact same fucking thing by boasting they "won" Red Flag and "beat" British Typhoons and got extremely butthurt when the USAF and RAF pointed how wrong they were.
>>28055336
They erect a shrine around the toilet and poo in the communal barracks hallway , duh.
The question you should be asking is how they manage to get a holy cow to stay content in the stowage bay of a submarine
>>28055336
They have actual toilets. They don't work so they just kind of pile up with shit
>>28055085
>allegedly
>according to the Indians
If these don't set off alarm bells, I don't know what will.
>>28055367
Indians actually refuse to use toilets. They think shitting in their house is unhygienic. I do to, therefore I always shit at work or in my neighbors house.
>Poo in torpedo bay two
If only the US had hid its sub in a toilet, the Indians would have never found it.
>>28055393
>I do to, therefore I always shit at work or in my neighbors house.
>he doesn't like shitting in toilet that he KNOWS has been thoroughly cleaned
>he likes having his ass where other people have had their fucking filthy ass
Utterly disgusting.
>>28055393
i dunno, i always used going to the restroom to waste time at work but being able to sit down listen to music and read or something while you shit is pretty comfy.
>>28055085
The slav misinformation and out of context shilling is real af
>>28055411
That Indian sub probably smells like absolute shit.
>>28055085
>USS City of Corpus Christi
I helped restore Americas honor on Wikipedia.
>>28055520
You're doing God's work son.
>>28055520
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
>>28055520
God speed good anon.
>>28055520
what did you cite?
>>28055344
Its a British ship anon, they don't have a sonic blending device, they have tactical bong making devices.
Its the only way for them to know its tea time.
>>28055555
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>>28055344
kek
>>28055085
>/k/ takes every international navy exercise as hard proof of one country vs. another.
It's like you retards have discovered the Internet for the first time or something. You DO know that these exercises don't mean shit, when the US doctrine regarding maximum military capability since the end of WW2 has been "Show off the cool stuff, but keep the really cool stuff off and in the dark during exercise/demos."
>>28055336
Remember how in Das Boot they start off with little room, and eventually different areas of the sub opens up as they use the supplies?
It's that but in reverse. Start off with maximum space in sub, lose space as voyage goes on, return to port when sub's poo capacity has been reached, empty into street, send sub back out for next assignment.
>>28055555
>>28055520
Glorious.
>>28055555
Great.
This just shows how inferior american technology outside of Hollywood movies and Tom Clancy novels actually is.
If India can do this, China's and Russia's submarines will even do better.
>>28055555
MURIKA STRONG
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>>28055520
>the talk page
>>28055520
petty. it's almost like you are mad
>>28055761
>tfw even a Song-Class submarine could sink and Carrier, as it has surfaced from WITHIN an US carrier group
>>28055761
Except, you know, India is pretty well known for running ultra-biased exercises
Next you'll be saying that Millenium Challange shows that the US a is vulnerable to missile boats...
>>28055520
>indoctrinated racist retard.
K DEN
Subfag here. Couple things to note.
If you have never been in the Navy you may not know that exercises are far from reality and almost always have rules that purposely gimp or boost a specific boat or even an entire side just for training purposes.
Also the Corpus Christi is a 688, and a first flight at that, it's over 30 years old, nothing compared to the Virginias or the Pierfwolf.
>>28055837
This is misleading, it's international water, they can surface wherever they like. There is no way they were not being tracked before they surfaced. It's not like we could sink them for it.
>>28055837
Dont bash the Song. It at least has modern seven-bladed asymmetrically skewed propellers made by super-modern CNC machines that the Chinese stealthily acquired and then copied from Japan. While the Song-class's hull might look like some 70s-era Agosta-class SSK, it still has some 90s/2000s era upgrades, like these screws and sound dampening gleamed from the Russian Kilo 636s (that are more modern than the 877s sold to India).
The Indian Kilos are 80s era Kilo 877EKMs. They do not even have such propellers.
And they still rekt the burgers.
>>28055900
Besides that, a CBG during peacetime =/= a CBG during wartime.
>>28055914
Pic:
>6-bladed fixed pitch propeller low noise boats pr.877 and 877EKM KILO. Pictured rolled out of the shop submarine B-477 ("Sindhushastra" S65) zav.№01618 pr.877EKM / 08773, the Leningrad Admiralty Association, St. Petersburg, 1999 Admiralty Shipyards
The Songs have considerably more modern screws/propellers
>>28055146
>>28055273
I was gonna paste the text but just decided to cap a thread on some Pakistani forum. Looks like the post is mostly his answers from the leddit AMA though.
>>28055266
>Khibiny shutting down AEGIS.
>>28055085
From what I understand, during exercises such as this we usually run our boats with a slight handicap. Serves the purpose of training the crews better, like running with weighted shoes, and doesn't fully reveal our capabilities in war to a potential foe. That and SSKs can be very quiet if need be.
>>28055198
Still decades more advanced than the Soviet made sub though
>>28055228
Ohio, Seawolf and Virginia classes all run on natural circulation until a certain load is reached and the coolant pumps must be turned on. For all three classes, this load is over 10 knots, or faster than a standard diesel sub would be traveling in a search pattern. Also, spending a couple hours a day charging at periscope depth is louder than any US sub doing 25+ knots.
>>28056074
DESIGNATED
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>>28056093
Na man, akula IIs are pretty nuts
That being said, this whole thing is a bit of a non issue. They able to track sure, but all they did was draw up a solution and say hey we got you. That is not the same as a real world kill by any stretch of the imagination
>>28055837
> I don't understand naval architecture
That's you.
>>28056345
Also, that very probably was the Christi's mission in the first place. . . to be tracked and 'fired' upon. This is not uncommon
>>28055837
>>tfw even a Song-Class submarine could sink and Carrier, as it has surfaced from WITHIN an US carrier group
You fail to mention the sub got there by cutting all power systems, disabling mechanics and drifting into position with the current then blowing emergency ballast. It was essentially a dead log in the middle of the ocean that couldn't do anything to the CBG. The sailors on the deck could have used the sub for target practice if they wanted to.
>>28055784
Kek.
>>28056345
>Na man, akula IIs are pretty nuts
Roughly the sound radiation of a 688I, maybe slightly better. Still can't into hemispherical bow sonar array.
>>28055085
it is like excuse competition for NSA shills
>>28055085
Remember a few months back when the Indian Air Force was claiming that it beat the shit out of the RAF in an exercise?
Remember how that turned out to be bullshit?
>>28055842
>>28055804
BUTT BLASTED CURRY NIGGERS DETECTED
>>28056093
Not really. The Kilos are actually about a decade newer than the first Los Angeles boats.
I would bet the coffee cup in my Chief's hands that the American sub was running noisy on purpose.
What a submarine sounds like is one of the most secret things in any navy. You never ever let someone know what your sub sounds like at full quiet, if you can help it.
>>28056649
>dat denial
>>28056381
Kek, whatever you want to believe, amerifat.
>getting rekt by DESIGNATED SHITTING SUBS
HAHAHA
0.50 Obama-Dollar for your effort.
>>28056751
but he's right
>>28057259
>samefag
OK KID
>>28057259
>>28056751
adding on, certain nations refuse to do wargames with the US on account of how one sided it is.... I know my uncle flew in one of the red flags in the early 2000s on the condition that the US couldnt us jamming or something like that
>>28057286
It's like playing catch or any game with a younger cousin, you play halfassed to everyone has fun and aunts and uncles dont shit bricks when you throw timmy a fastball and break his fucking hand.
>>28057418
very true....desu senpai i'm sad when ppl bring that stuff up, as it derails the trolls and ends the thread....such is life in the USA
>>28055555
Is this like the exercise where opfor was using anti ship missiles larger than the boats that were carrying them?
Because that's what I'm reminded of.
>>28055085
>USS City of Corpus Christi
Daily reminder that this sub accidentally crashed into the Cheonan sinking it and killing several Korean sailors during war games then the US and SK blamed it on the DPRK.
Daily reminder that it's been confirmed by several independent investigations including a Oxford based one that the Cheonan hit a submarine and it was the USS CoCC that left war games after the event and went into drydock repairs.
OK, who did this?
>>28057685
It's still up hours later?
Nice.
>>28057810
It keeps getting erased and replaced.
I assume they'll lock it eventually.
>>28055085
Do you remember when the Indian Air force flew training runs with the Brits and they shot one of theres down and claimed to have one some kind of competition? This sounds like a farce to me. India is shit, the INSAS is shit. they suck
>>28055085
>USS City of Corpus Christi
>Launched: 25 April 1981
>Raptors in NATO exercise
>10:1 kill rate
>some plane miraculously manages to shoot down one Raptor
>headlines about F-22 getting raped everywhere
It's the same shit.
>>28057902
I remember when they claimed defeating F-15s in exercise. But forgot to mention that it was a 16 vs 4 scenario.
>>28055344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jN_dGvcxcY
>>28058104
is this an accurate depiction of sub warfare
>>28058055
> shoot down raptor
>while it's carrying one of those things to increase its radar signature so that opfor has an actual chance to lock on
The f 22 rapes everything else in the air so bad it's not even funny
>>28058055
Considering the f15 was the top dog in air superiority and the raptor trashed it consistently during testing while few countries have even put out any sort of improved airframe since it's no wonder the f 22 really has nothing that's anywhere close to it
Anyone else seen the movie "Down Periscope"? The story is basically it's a comedy about a wargame where a Balao class sub infiltrates an American naval base and sinks a dummy target. They surfaced and started singing and playing music during a storm so they appeared to be a fishing boat, they bottomed out in silt and made whale noises, stupid stuff. But militaries have been fooled by stupider stuff.
The general moral is "don't get cocky, kid".
Which sucks, because who doesn't like to stroke their ego every now and then?
![Periscope_Depth[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AYWDs05.jpg "Periscope_Depth[1].jpg")
Why are the flight one 668s so sexy? The Navy should have never stopped putting the diving planes on the sails.
>>28055914
>>28055960
The question is why the Chinese are strutting their nice propellers in the open like dumb Russians/Indians? That shit is secret.
>>28058448
considering they got it from the Russians it ain't a secret
where does the crew poo?
>>28055266
>Genuinely thinks a Russian plane can shutdown a US warship
>Same Russian plane can't avoid missles shot by turkroaches.
Come back when the Russians can afford a real navigation system for their fighters.
>>28055328
Its a canned respond from Russian internet forces that can't speak English.
>>28055336
designated poop decks
>>28055336
I imagine they just poop all over the floor and hose it off when the ship returns to port or collect it for crude stoves.
>>28055914
>>28055960
You mean like the same screws the USN has had since the 1960's? The same screws the USN has moved beyond now into shrouded propulsors?
>>28055299
Oh yeah, well diesel subs can't project power.
Well technically they can but it would be quite a trip to get to your patrol zone. Diesel boats are fine for defending your waters. USN hasn't been too interested in them for various reasons.
>>28059114
Considering the average transit to patrol or mission points is over 1800 miles, they just don't make any sense for the USN.
>>28055393
Don't sweat at work, don't shit at home
>National Interest
>publication that is consistently pessimistic about American military power
>only source is an India Today article, quoting an unnamed Indian military officer
>Indian military officers have previously exaggerated achievements in past international exercises
>>28055085
This story is told all the fucking time, it's always some "diesel electric sub "from a small navy , usually Norway, Sweden, Germany, Australia etc sinking a US ship, usually the Nimitz.
Do they ever have anything solid? No, but that's "cause the Americans are keeping it quiet "
training
We are not sending our best over there to play war games with India. India is using their best.
India's best is better than or as good as our not so great.
They've also been doing this with our Air Forces and when we send our non-top gun F-16 pilots over their they get beat quite a bit. It's a totally different story when they come over here to fly against our best in the F-22s.
None of this should be surprising.
>>28059920
Nuclear Submarines are notorious for being loud and easily trackable.
Once the reactor overheats they have to turn on these loud coolant pumps, nevermind the fact that the nuclear reactor is already loud as is. Not to mention that they leak out a small, but noticeable traces of radiation that can also be tracked.
Unlimited range is nice, but it comes with some huge downsides.
I am willing to bet the Japanese Soryu class will be the future of submarines, using batteries and eliminating diesel engines and nuclear reactors entirely.
>>28060004
Not at all, their best is the Akula II. They also have more modern French Scorpene submarines.
No way they are ever going to show anyone the Akula II, same reason why US is sending an older class of Los-Angeles nuclear submarines as well.
>>28058406
Am I the only one that finds the thought of being in a real submarine, not the Disney World kind, to be completely terrifying?
You're a mechanical failure away from death, trapped and suffocating.
I'm not even claustrophobic, not any more than a regular person but damn. All that black heavy water, cold as death and nothing but it to fill your lungs?
The thought of the machine having to work to get me back to the surface, the thought of all that pressure right on the side other side of that metal plate, the absolute entrapment of the whole thing...
I wouldn't have done well as an astronaut either probably.
At least in a plane it's a short fall to the ground and you kind of be fighting it the whole time with a pretty quick death at the end if you fail.
>>28060091
>noticeable traces of radiation that can also be tracked
Buuuut that's bullshit.
If there were detectable radiation outside the final biological barrier (marf plant fags please fuck off on this one you're landlocked and it's a shitty reactor anyway) much less detectable levels outside the hull of the ship we'd be talking about an american K-19.
Also the reactor "overheating"? I do not think that means what you think it means. Once again that's a K-19 scenario or worse.
the Soryu is a diesel electric, they're just been refitting them with better batteries so that they run the engine less. You can't go full electric without having most of the ship suddenly have to be battery to get any decent cruise time or range and if anything goes wrong you're fucked without a secondary source of power.
>>28060169
If you're lucky and at depth when a breach occure the death is near instantaneous, if shit goes down in only somewhat deep water what happens is your lungs explode when you get close to the surface and you die painfully, or you drown or suffocate trapped in a compartment.
>>28060091
>notorious for being loud and easily trackable.
No. See >>28056111
>Once the reactor overheats they have to turn on these loud coolant pumps
No, again you flash deep ignorance. The pumps, which are comparatively very quiet as the USN has been spending enormous amounts of time and money over the last 70 years to acoustically dampen them, are turned on when certain load levels and thermal output is reached. No more, no less.
>the fact that the nuclear reactor is already loud as is.
No. Without the coolant pumps, the reactor core itself is quiet as the grave. There are almost no large moving parts.
>Not to mention that they leak out a small, but noticeable traces of radiation that can also be tracked.
Not only no but full fucking potato.
>using batteries
Are you so retarded as to think AIP means batteries alone?
Do you fucking know ANYTHING about the shit you're talking about?
>>28055085
>we finally get lucky and get a kill
>out of the 9001 times we have been killed
Wow it's fucking nothing.
Oh, you mean just like that 'exercise' with the RAF where the IAF claimed they stomped Typhoons with Su-30MKIs
Then shilled it so fucking hard that the RAF got a little miffed, said they didn't, and the IAF spilled spaghetti about lying and shut up about it?
Yeah. I think I'll ignore Indian claims from now on. Anything is possible, but they're such pathological liars when it comes to muh honor at this point I can't stand listening to them
>>28061112
>AIP means batteries
>implying that's false
>implying they're not using Energizer
>implying that bunny hasn't run constantly since the 80s
>implying lack of flushing toilets won't make a sub quieter
>implying lack of shoes isn't quieter
>implying rape isn't a valid psyops tactic
>implying using pariahs for maintenance isn't cheaper
>>28056024
>>28056024
Nah, I see a good bit from the AMA here from then
>People actually think countries can challenge USA's submarine force, the largest and greatest in the world.
American submarines practically have perfect build history and practices. Amazing actually when many of our military tech are controversial. Chinkboos and Slavboos can mock the F35 and the likes but they know they're incomparable with their submarines.
>>28061337
>largest
I have to correct myself. I always forget Best Korea's larger submarine force.
>try really really hard at war games
>plaster the results of your first kill everywhere
this is like when you play backyard football and let your only child cousin score so he doesn't start bitching and crying
>>28055085
>believing anything the shitskins claim, ever
>>28061337
Naval reactors has a zero accident rate. feels good man
>>28055085
The American Sub had a Kookoobird lens to increase its radar signature.
The helmsman was drunk and singing and banging pipes with a hammer.
The crew was sleeping.
5 cents per excuse, please.
>>28061520
That 70s era garbage sub is crewed by inbred smelly racist hicks who can barely keep anything running and are led by blowhard fools. How such an "advanced" country could be this backwards is amazing. The butthurt just indicates how bad they truly are.
And that's on top of the designated shitting streets.
>>28055555
>quint quints
Unbelievable.
>>28061129
The iaf was only counting the initial one on one wvr engagements as their victory. The iaf failed to include the bvr 5v5 engagements in their 10:0 score. The raf damage controlled those engagements saying they were warm-ups and that they let the iaf get acclimated to the area. Both sides were just as guilty in nationalism shilling as the other.
>>28055555
>>28062155
If this is true, then why did the Indian press completely clam up the second the RAF responded?
>All this unitedstatian damage control
Your tears are delicious.
>>28062014
>Being this butthurt against American mighty subs
Tell me when you have subs that can do more than move a stone's throw from their ports
>>28062202
>believing Indians
>thinking war games are realistic
>>28062204
I was making fun of the Indians. There was a bit of vague misdirection but I was talking about them the whole time. They ARE smelly inbred hicks.
>>28062202
If you hate America why do you focus on it so much?
>>28062204
>implying Americans have designated shitting streets
you a shit
>>28055841
>Except, you know, India is pretty well known for running ultra-biased exercises
When Americans lose a War Game, they always claim that the exercises were biased. So you're going to have to bring something better than this to the table.
>>28062155
So you think Su-30MKIs went 10:0 on Typhoons in WVR.
Rather than the claim that it was a friendly warm up to get them acclimated to fighting on the RAF's home turf, after having travelled from India.
>Both sides were just as guilty in nationalism shilling as the other.
One is shilling; the Indians, and they're infamous for doing exactly that.
One is not divulging information on training exercises until after the Indian media decided to plaster it all over anything capable of displaying the written word.
>>28062311
How about the RAF saying the same thing?
Furthermore, of course war games are going to be biased. A) it's of no use to anyone when one side completely stomps the other with zero casualties, and B) you never ever EVER display your true capabilities to anyone, especially not foreigners and doubly especially when they're just allies of convenience.
>>28058312
>But militaries have been fooled by stupider stuff.
During a wargame with Canada, the US M1A1 Abrams was defeated by the Leopard 1, after the Canadians came up with a clever plan.
It was a fucking open area at night and the Canadians knew there was no way they could win without 'cheating'. So they turned their tanks off during the day and left them to cool, while they also placed a bunch of their trucks behind their line and had them rev their engines as hot as they could get them. The Americans sped off after the heat signatures and the entire squad was killed by the Leopard 1's that were just sitting around.
Have Americans never heard of the adage "fight smarter, not harder"?
ASSIGNED
POOPING
DOMICILES
>>28062155
Except Typhoons won 1 vs 1 WVR duels too.
>>28062375
I would have gone with PARKWAYS, but that's good enough.
>>28062338
>A) it's of no use to anyone when one side completely stomps the other with zero casualties
>implying the US would always completely stomp the other side if they didn't put a bias in the rules
Also there's no point in training together if they took things to the extreme you're talking about, hiding true capabilities. Most of NATO isn't about to stab each other in the back... ya know, aside from Turkey, which is the a reason noone ever invites them.
Face it, sometimes the US loses sometimes because Britain, Germany, or Canada is just better than them at something.
Aren't nuke subs loud as hell?
Remember hearing that a Swedish sub "sank" an aircraft carrier during an exercise, But then again diesel subs are quiet and hard to detect.
>>28062523
For the third time this thread, no. Modern nuke subs (that aren't rusted slavshit) are quiet as fuck. Because, surprise surprise, navies really like their sneaky subs to be sneaky.
>>28062523
Why do people just not read threads?
>>28062472
>Also there's no point in training together if they took things to the extreme you're talking about, hiding true capabilities
So what you're saying is that the US DOESN'T mount Luneburg lenses on their aircraft in training exercises, then?
What you're saying is that nobody hides certain capabilities because you personally can't find a reason to conceive of it?
Okay. I believe you and your expert level conjecture.
>>28062587
No, he's saying that Americans will gimp one side in internal war games and training scenerios, but will go all out and reveal all their secrets to everyone who is remotely an ally.
>>28055555
>Five fives for quints
Outstanding.
>>28062472
>Most of NATO isn't about to stab each other in the back
Huh. So THAT'S why Albania has access to American nuclear secrets. I was wondering.
>>28062608
Yeah, I thought that was his logic.
![AIP+stirling_swede[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/doi7tYy.jpg "AIP+stirling_swede[1].jpg")
Reminder that with Swedish liquid oxygen Sterling engines the sub would never have been detected.
POOP DISPOSAL TORPEDO
>>28062743
On a related note: the new Swedish A26 submarine featuring improved Sterling engines is available for pre-order. Please buy.
>>28062743
>>28062800
IKEA please go.
>>28062743
It worries me that Africa will soon operate this technology
>>28062873
...
Africa has a navy?
>>28063038
Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Navy
>>28062608
>retardedly extreme answers are the only options
>there's never anything in the middle
Seriously, how hard is it for Americans to accept that sometimes, they're not that best at something? That you have to come up with the batshit insane excuse that in every case America is either gimped by RoE, or hiding their true power from the world.
>>28063079
>That you have to come up with the batshit insane excuse that in every case America is either gimped by RoE
But thats not insane at all
Do you think Iraq would have taken even as long as it did if the RoE had been "Fuck everything in this area, cruise missile it all", rather than "PID first and engage confirmed targets"?
>>28062256
What makes you think I hate America?
>>28063042
Kek.
>>28063079
Except I was just going off of what you said that they don't hold back during excercises because NATO members are always going to be allies and thus share secrets.
Meanwhile, during internal training scenerios (I.e, F-22s vs F-15's) the fight is never fair.
>>28063137
I never said that.
I was pointing out you don't need to hide your military capabilities from close allies to such an extent that every military exercise involving you both is useless.
>internal training scenarios
I never mentioned these at fucking all, either.
I have been REFUTING the sad fucking excuses that every time Americans lose vs. another country in war games, that the Americans are either gimped by RoE, or 'hiding their true power'.
>>28063458
It doesn't matter what you think. The fact of the matter is that the USN (and probably Indians for that matter) hides shit from their own sailors, see >>28056062
So why would they hide things from their own sailors but then show off everything they can do to allies that they aren't even particularly close to?
And again, every war game and excercises is biased. Because again, having an excercises where one side utterly stomps the other is both boring and a waste of time and money when the only thing you're getting from it is "Git gud" and "stay gud" respectively.
>>28062743
I wouldn't be surprised if the USN has some kind of countermeasure against it in the works or quietly deployed. Sweden loaned out one of their AIP subs to them for years for testing purposes.
DESIGNATED SHITTING SUBMARINE
>>28055228
B-but muh magnetohydrodynamic drive.
>>28063692
It was a mutually beneficial arrangement. The Yanks learnt a lot about detecting modern SSKs and we learnt a lot about blue-water ops in a warm climate.
>>28055146
Scripted exercise. The idea was to give the Indians a little practice in identifying and prosecuting contacts.
The unspoken part is, the US now has a comprehensive audio dossier on that particular Indian sub.
>>28055266
>See also: Khibiny shutting down AEGIS.
AKA really bad Third World fiction as an expression of wishful thinking.
>>28056092
"Slight".
Generally it's pretty severe. The exercises are as much about not revealing full capabilities as practicing.
>>28055266
THE T-THE WHOLE CREW RESIGNED FOR REAL GUUUYS!
>>28055837
Yeah, much wow. It surfaced 9 miles away from the carrier. If it took a shot, the torpedoes would have taken 15-20 minutes to get to the carrier. That's plenty of time for the carrier to turn away and actually run outside of the effective range of the torpedoes. Meanwhile, every ASW asset in the CSG is vigorously hate fucking the sub.
>>28064855
A 45,000 yard shot is really, really far out there. Unless they got stupid lucky and the torp does a quiet run out on the wire and remains undetected until they cut the wire and go active, there's no telling what that thing is going to go terminal on.
>>28062347
See that's the kind of shit that can work in a real world scenario, and is the kind of shit one should expect of enemy commanders. It's not cheating, it's baiting an effective trap.
>>28063579
>implying servicemen are entitled to more than the minimum information required for duty
knuckledraggers don't need to think about the big picture
>>28055085
This is pointless unless we know the rules of the simulation.
>>28055520
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>>28062311
>When Americans lose a War Game, they always claim that the exercises were biased.
And you're trying to say it's not biased?
Here's something we can agree on. Without knowing the rules of the simulation or the wargame, we can't judge how fair a representation it was.
A toddler could kill an elite Delta Force member if the toddler is allowed to put a gun up to his head and pull the trigger. "TODDLER DEFEATS DELTA FORCE IN WARGAME: ARE SPEC OPS OBSOLETE?"
And you'd be the faggot going "well how do you know that game was biased?"
Until we know the rules of engagement and the situation, this result in the OP is useless to us.
The Indian Navy: Where every deck is the poop deck
>>28055842
/DESI/MATED
>>28061520
whats a kookoobird lens?
