>if you didn't spend as much on the glass as you did the rifle, you're doing it wrong
This is becoming less and less true with quality imported glass from Japan. Vortex has really started a trend in quality optics.
>>28048099
With automated rifle manufacturing offering guns FAR more accurate than anything in the past, for lower prices
COMBINED
with the advent of better glass manufacturing tech overseas, and optics with much better features (FFP etched reticles, repeatable adjustments, large tubes, etc.) being available and affordable, we are in a golden age of long range shooting for the average consumer.
>$1K
>1K yds
>Made mostly in Japan
ended up getting a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 for my elcan with a trade. sure its in MOA but I can deal with that.
it's gunna go on my new Remington 700 with the 16.5" barrel, still debating whether I want a Magpul Hunter stock. MDT chassis, or a McMillan
>>28048429
i love seeing people with money spending it on firearms. so god damn sick of poorfags. I can't post half my shit because next 20 posts are taking a dump on me telling me how I fucked up starting with M1A match with sadlak mount and nice leupold(hurr should have got ptr, cast receiver durr) to my scar with elcan on it( durr too heavy, ugg boots)
>>28048099
I asked yesturday but got no answer. There is a guy near me with a FN SPR A3G for sale 1k under price due to a divorce. Is it a good rifle to get? Ive been using my tikka t3 for a while but Id hate to take it out of the hunter stock and would love a new rifle. Please help.
>>28048416
Vortex razor is made in Japan. The 4.5-27 costs $2500 and weighs 48oz.
The viper PST line is Philippine in manufacture.
>>28048453
all about dat quality mang.
>>28048466
it is perfectly acceptable to occasionally rub your nutsack over that glass
>>28048464
The Viper PST line is ASSEMBLED in the Philippines, but it used Japanes glass. The same is true of the Bushnell Elite series of optics, as they use Bausch & Lomb glass for their optics.
>>28048429
I still would have opted for an S&B or Meopta for matched turrets and reticle, but whatever. You can always sell it later.
SWFA SS line shits on vortex in every way. Not to say vortex isnt quality glass... But SWFA is literally $2500 worth of glass for $300, and it's literally a navy SEAL contract optics line.
Also, jerky you cocksucker.
>>28048478
Well the viper PST is a great entry step into tactical shooting, we can agree there.
Bushy elite is a step up
>that based G2 reticle
>>28048492
Truth
When?
>>28048492
Fixed power scopes will always be cheaper than variables with simular glass.
I would hesitate to say a fixed 10x scope is on the same quality level as my 4.5-27
>>28048575
Fewer lenses and mechanical adjustments will be cheaper?
>>28048492
I hate SWFA's reticles though, and their turrets/clicks are ~meh.
I'd like to see some sauce on your claim that their glass is so much better than Viper PST or Bushnell ET; the Bushnells are very common in the highest competitive circuits.
>>28048599
Uh? Ya?
>>28048618
What's everyone's opinion on new line of Redfields made by Leupold in the states? I looked through redfield revolution and it seems excellent, feels very high quality and it is made in the States
>>28048618
I'm assuming your talking about prs. Nightforce and March have owned benches style shooting for a while now.
Bushnell used to be top value for less than 2k. You'll see less of them going into the next few years as other options appear.
That being said, they are still solid scopes for the price. I got both of my razor's on a special deal through work. If not for that, I would probably have Bushnell and 1 xtr ii
>>28048636
Assembled in the states you mean.
There's better for the $. If you want something you'll keep for a long time get a swfa. Assuming that's your budget at least.
>>28048636
>made in the States
as if this is a sign of quality in any way shape or form.
>>28048704
i know its not. im just getting into scopes and precision shooting and figured this will suffice to learn the basics
>>28048455
What's the price he's asking? Round count?
Those are solid rifles if they are in good condition.
can someone help me find a 3-9 power scope that I can put on a 20 inch barrel winchester 70 in .308?
this gun is mainly going to be used for woods hiking, and being stored in my car in case i need to make 5 quick pot shots at about 100 yards
thank you
>>28048720
What's your budget, how far you have available for shooting, do you reload, any experience, do you plan on hunting, and what style of shooting do you plan on doing?
>>28048774
$1k. 300 yards, I dont reload, very little experience I dont hunt. I plan on practicing of course to acquire more experience
>>28048765
Price? For 100 yard shots on the long end and some under, I'd recommend a 4x Leupold on the low end of price and something 1-6 on the high end. What kind of game? If you think you'll be out to 200-300 then 3-9 .makes more sense
>>28048800
rifle is going to be 250 yard max.
most likely just gonna be set on 3x.
game is two legged.
>>28048798
1k gun and scope? I'm assuming USA so I'm going to grab some prices and get back to you in a sec. Are you anywhere with coyotes/varmints that don't have a regular season and you wouldn't mind making them dead?
As far as caliber some might disagree with me but I'm going to say 223, or even a 222 if you can find a new one or one in good shape. They have plenty of steam out to 300 for varmints and ammo is cheap. You'll want to get into reloading asap them you can load high quality rounds for like 30c a shot.
>>28048831
$1k for each, gun and scope
>>28048822
AR or bolt? What caliber and price? At 250 yards a hunting scope would be more than enough.
>>28048855
Tikka t3 varmint in 223 with Burris xtr 2 4-20. 1-8 twist not the 1-12. It will get you to 700 yards easy with 80gr projectiles. You can upgrade the stock when money allows.
>>28048953
thx heard goot things about tikka t3 varmint.
>>28048953
also, another one. I see you recommended in .223, how about .308? I kinda like the idea of growing into it, what do you think?
>>28048968
Friend has the exact one i mentioned with a 4-16 hst and he's taken it out to 550ish.
>>28048953
bolt, .308
300 yard max, 20 inch barrel.
basically want a hiking/truck gun
i am looking for an affordable 3-9x power scope.
what do you think of the low grade leupolds? the riflemen series?
this scope just has to not break. that is the main criteria.
looking to spend up to 350.
if you can suggest the mount and rings, that would be awesome too. that is primarily what i need help with.
>>28048738
He is asking for $900 cash with less than 50 rounds through the barrel. He also swapped over the bottom metal mag from FN's mag to one that accepts AI mags. He didnt do it personally but a gun smith did it. I have shot it before and its a great gun but i dont know about FN when it comes to bolt guns.
>>28048978
223 is easier on the wallet and shooter. He also said no hunting. if he plans on getting into a competition gun down the line he will have something that he cam keep as a training rifle that can be shot cheap.
308 is something that you will replace if you go more into competition shooting. I've got a savage just waiting for me to go through my 30 Cal components then get a pre fit in 6.5 creedmore or 260 rem.
Anyone have a PTR or HK91? What scope do y'all use?
>>28048997
What gun? If it's not mag fed get 2 peice bases otherwise a 1 piece. Get a vx2 in 3-9x40 for that price range. Regular duplex reticle. Put it in vortex viper rings, or Leupold prw's. If those rings are a little steep, I've mounted lots of scopes in Burris zee rings. Zero for about 150 and just hold point of mass on 2 legged critters.
>>28049000
If it's in good shape grab it and run. Just double check that it feeds well with the new bottom metal. Sometimes pressure on the bottom of the mag can stop the bolt from closing.
>>28049040
winchester model 70 featherweight compact in 308
what side rings, and what height? for the vx2 in 3-9x40
and why not 3-9x50? is it worth the small bump?
>>28049091
The woman is giving me looks. I'll answer in am
>>28049091
She's out. 40mm vs 50mm is exit pupil size. 4.1mm is plenty for at 9x. Light transmission is lens quality and coating quality.
The m70 featherweight is top feed iirc so get a 2 piece set. Lows should be fine in either the prw or viper rings. 1" ofc.
Can't let this die yet
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theres a 1k+ newer used army range opening for civvies near me soon.
thinking about getting into a little long range for the funs.
got a competition mauser in 6.5x55 (pic related) thats barely seen a round.
I know that the mauser receivers arent the best, little suport above the bolt, not the strongest barrel fit, etc.
Trigger is amazing, barrel is heavy and its already bedded in that stock.
thinking of sending it to a smith to add a rail or bases for scope, and I have to swap out the flag safety too.
whats the current goto mil/mil ffp or fixed power glasses?
arent vortex mil/moa?
any thoughts? is it better to buy a new rifle? I gave like 50 bux for the one I have now, so its not a huge deal.
>>28051275
Vortex is matching for anything with exposed turrets. All turrets under caps are moa.
As far as the Mauser, If it's got diopter sights I wouldn't ruin it by getting it tapped.
>>28051365
the mausers are practically worthless over here in norway. 100-150 usd max, theres shitloads of them.
>>28048997
Weaver make a nice, and reasonably affordable mil/mil mildot 2.5-10x scope.
Only gripes with it are the SFP reticle and no parallax adjustment--but you've got to give up something at the price point.
>>28051483
>>28048997
Forgot link:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598484/weaver-tactical-grand-slam-rifle-scope-3-10x-40mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-mil-dot-reticle-matte
>>28051441
Then give'r
>>28048997
>>28051483
>>28051514
I just remembered that some Weavers gets re-badged for Blackhawk and sold a little cheaper too:
http://swfa.com/Blackhawk-3-9x40-Tactical-Riflescope-P66735.aspx
>>28048978
the great thing about starting with 308 over 223 is you won't need a new bolt after doing a rebarrel. you can take that 308 bolt&magazine and use it for 260/6.5cm/243/6.5lapua/7-08 all using the same 308 equipment.
you may have some 'pressure signs' using a large firing pin hole on 6.5lap ammo but you can just get it bushed to fix that issue.
if you get into handloading only id suggest 6.5lap since its small rifle primers and less powder but if you ever think youll be a lazy bastard like me then youll want to look at 6.5cm since you can just stock away some factory ammo and pull that out whenever you don't feel like prepping brass.
>>28048429
you going with rings / 1 piece mount?
>>28051810
But why rebarrel? Why not have a 223 trainer and if he decides he wants to compete get another rifle. There's nothing better for a trainer than a 223.
>>28048504
The Bushnell Elite Tactical LRS 3-12x 44mm is garbage though. The glass may be good but the eye box is unacceptably tight.
>>28051920
I'd say rebarrel since it will be something he will be quite intimate in how it works, and any upgrades will be from first hand experience. now that may/will change when getting into comps but until he gets to that point all upgrades done will be to help him at what he currently is doing. Then when changing the rifle to a comp rifle he can take off the useless upgrades and switch those to his 22 trainer.
I prefer 22 trainers since you can train on them all day, even when using sk match ammo, and they are good out to 300. It is less expensive to setup a 22 trainer compared to a 223 and it is less expensive to keep it running. I can buy a brick of sk match for $.21 or less.
>>28051926
what's garbage about the lrs 3-12 besides the eyebox?
>>28052190
$.21 or less per round.
>>28051926
I have the 6-24x50 version of that optic, and I haven't had any issues with the eyebox. It feels the same as any of my Vortex optics.
My only complaint is that the glass isn't optimized for low light contrast as much as Vortex is, which makes evening and early hunting a bit more difficult.
>>28052190
I prefer a 223 trainer because it's a full size rifle and you can have the same trigger, stock, and balance as your competition rifle. I load 223 for about 24c Canadian for the close in stuff and 30c if I want to go out to 600. The only reason I do the close in stuff is for shooting crows and before I moved, magpies.
>>28052365
I do the same, I have an AR that's easily capable out to 800 yds. I use it for plinking at the 500 yd line, and it's a lot cheaper than my 300wm that's $3/rd for FGMM (and still materials intensive if I hand load).
I've been wanting to check out the 69 gr Outback brand ammo at Cabela's, it's loaded with a SMK. If it's under 1 MOA, it's cheap match ammo.
>>28052365
I cant have the same stock/trigger/balance in 223 like in my main rifle so I prefer to go 22lr anyways. It seems like krg might have something in the works for a savage mk2 so I'd pick that up if it dropped and it'd get me closer to my main rifle.
What bullets, powder and primers were you using for this 223 that costs only 18 cents?
>>28052506
ADI 69smk stuff is g2g. sgammo has it for 55cpr
welp, package is still stuck at the post office.
fuck the holiday season.
I still need to sand down my m14 stock and repaint it for resale
>>28052599
I was working at a hunting store and bought a bunch at staff which was 30% off. I'm using varget, federal small rifle primers, and 55gr nosler varmegeddons.
Bought the powder by the 8 lb jug primers by the 1000 and the bullets we're like $20per 100 before my 30% off.
>>28052692
Why are you selling it?
>>28053165
bad reliability, bad accuracy.
not worth my time
Waiting for my Leupold Vx1 and Wolf 174grs now.
>>28053724
Fair enough. What are you replacing it with?
>>28053724
>m14
>accuracy
>>28054106
my remington 700 AAC 16.5 build
>>28052190
Everything else is honestly okay, but the eyebox is just far too tight. I want to say that you have maybe a few millimeters of forward/rearward eye movement before you get a strong vignette effect.
There's also a noticeable forward light emission when the illumination is on.
I immediately boxed it up after looking through the optic and I'm going with a Weaver Tactical 3-15x 50mm with illuminated EMDR instead.
>>28054597
What are you paying for it if i might ask.
>>28055400
750 USD, the Weaver is right around 700 by comparison. Optics Planet is currently running a 12% discount I believe.
>>28053755
I didn't have good luck with the 174gr Wolf in mine. PPU 182gr is what I use for long range.
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Just got this in.
Does .22 count for precision sake?
I kinda want a CZ 455 Ultra Lux /Lux / Trainer
I might get a scope eventually, but I want something to practice my fundamentals before I go get a multi-thousand dollar boltgun setup.
>>28055794
lots of guys do precision target stuff with .22
>>28055724
I guess I will have to wait and see what kind of groupings I get with it when I go to zero my scope in then. I have a lot of 148gr Wolf left over but SGammo had the 174gr on sale.
>>28055794
I shoot my plain 10/22 at 250 yards most of the time. It's fun. The BSA Sweet 22 is a really nice scope for the money.
>>28048099
>if you didn't spend as much on the glass as you did the rifle
I never understood this, I have a 40s zeiss I use and I've never felt like I was in too bad of shape compared to my dad's new 2k+ zeiss and leopold.
>>28055750
Please make me your wife ;_;
I want to get a Browning x bolt for hunting in 30-06, is it any good? Better or worse thrn tikka? I love the trigger on the one I tried
>>28055794
look at the krg chassis for the cz455 if you dont want the wood stock.
>>28055750
when did they start shipping them with the thumbhole stock sides? I'm thinking about picking up a set to rattle can.
Have you checked the qd swivel studs to make sure that yours aren't defective?
>>28056073
My dad had an a bolt in 270 that was a laser even with shitty hunting winchester ammo. for what they are (hunting rigs) I think browning puts up amazing stuff. only downside is the extra mags are on the high side for 4 rounds.
>>28055921
Send it in to Zeiss.
They will fix it up.
>>28055817
Well yeah, but I wanted to check if this was jsut bigbore before I start shitposting.
>>28056183
I don't actually mind those stocks, plus, the 455 american comes in a synth stock.
But I want dem Irons for practice.
Right now I'm just trying to deicde betweenn the Lux(20"), Trainer(24"), and Ultra Lux(28")
The barrels are interchangable, so I might just get the Ultra Lux, then buy smaller barrels (they don't sell the 28" aftermarket)
>>28055817
I have a friend with a really nice precision 10/22 and 22lr pistol, but I've never done it.
What is .22lr match ammo? CCI?
>>28056664
Lapua. Eley.
Load 223 for around the same amount
>>28056664
this is what I use : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2577315741/sk-rifle-match-ammunition-22-long-rifle-40-grain-lead-round-nose
I shoot it suppressed and have to note that it is really fucking dirty and leaves a ton of unburnt powder behind, but its damn good out to 300.
>>28056711
>>28056664
+1 eley, also Aguila
But honestly, some of those rifles can do pretty impressive stuff with the federal champion brinck
>>28056506
You can go with the 28" but if youre going for accuracy are you planning on shooting match ammo or just any supersonic stuff you can find?
If youll be shooting match then you want to keep it subsonic otherwise itll be super and then go transonic and can create all kinds of issues on downrange
>>28056811
subsonic most likely, 28" only seems good for increased sight radius, it's pointless with a scope
Leupold AR Mod 1.5x4-20mm, .223 with firedot worth the asking price?
>>28056924
What's the asking price? What are you doing with it? I wouldn't call it a precision scope but ill entertain you.
>>28056285
You're funny.
Still, I'm not seeing it. I think people overemphasize the impact throwing money at glass actually has, especially compared to something used.
>>28057147
I'm looking for a scope for an AR I purchased over Thanksgiving. The last time I shot an M16 I was in the Army and that was almost 20 years ago - with iron sights. Over this last weekend, I was able to play around with my brother-in-law's assortment of scopes (Aimpoint, Eotec and Leupold).
I liked the flexibility of the Leupold over the other scopes and was considering picking one up. I figured the Leupold with the illuminated dot was a good compromise as you can dial it up to 4x if I needed to reach out and touch something at a further distance.
>>28048453
To be fair there is a reason why the first sub moa semiautos were based off the g3
>>28057243
Redfield was purchased by Leupold. I have a few Redfield scopes that are pre-Leupold. They are quality. It gives Leupold a line that isn't extremely expensive due to the name. If you want an alternative, check them out.
Too bad they don't make the wideview anymore though.
>>28051275
>whats the current goto mil/mil ffp
Primary Arms
>>28057208
I'm a big proponent of used glass.
Im on the SH optics px multiple times a day.
>>28057243
You might miss the lack of a true 1x setting, and iirc they have 1" tubes, which gives you a tiny FOV.
You'd be better off with a true 1-4x with a 30mm tube. Burris, Leatherwood, SWFA, and Vortex are all great options.
>>28051275
>whats the current goto mil/mil ffp or fixed power glasses?
MIL/MIL, I'd say Vortex, Bushnell Elite Tactical, Burris, or SWFA.
If you want fixed power, then SWFA all day.
>>28057360
Specifically this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T6KBXYC
>>28048416
>>28048099
I see you have taken over zed's post of yelling randomly about shit that you think you know everything about.
>>28048478
>>The Viper PST line is ASSEMBLED in the Philippines, but it used Japanes glass. The same is true of the Bushnell Elite series of optics, as they use Bausch & Lomb glass for their optics.
Where can I find documentation about this? I'm honestly curious. I have an ERS with a G2 reticle and it's a nice piece of glass. Would be nice to know where it's components are sourced. Same about where Vortex pulls their products from.
>>28057423
what are the 4/8 solid horizontal lines? Im guessing the top is a range finder and the dots are leads.
>>28057423
How the hell does that reticle work? That doesn't even make any sense.
Does anyone have info on those Brazilian bolt action rifle scopes?
>>28057443
A smattering of sources:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/159590_Who_is_Vortex_Optics_.html
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=647615
General consensus is that the PST line and up are Japanese glass, and the "lesser" optics such as the Crossfire line are Chinese.
Bushnell is not a manufacturer, but an importer. They import Bausch & Lomb optics from Japan and label them as their "elite" line. A bit of googling will pan that out for you, the B&L optics were imported on their own name for years before Bushnell acquired the import rights.
>>28057310
Thanks for the insight. Can you throw me a model number or two that I can dig around on?
>>28057396
You're right about the tiny FOV, but also the flip side of that is how compact the Leupold is. Also, all of the dials are between the scope mounts and in close proximity of each other. I did have the chance to check out a Vortex Crossfire 2 illuminated- which looks to be pretty straight forward for what it is, but overall for what it is, came across to me as being overly bulky.
>>28057584
Check the Burris Fullfield TAC 30, you'll get a larger FOV, great glass, and at an excellent price point. The things it doesn't have: MIL adjustments, external turrets, or a mag ring (the whole bell turns to adjust mag).
In a 1-4x optic though, those features aren't necessarily needed.
>>28057519
>>28057532
>what are the 4/8 solid horizontal lines?
Those are holdoffs for tracking a moving soldier holding a weapon, first dot is walking, second a jog, and the large circle is a sprint. The large circles are also ranging aids, they are the size of a human head at their respective ranges (2/4/6/800m).
> Im guessing the top is a range finder and the dots are leads.
Yes top is rangefinder and the tree dots are hold off for wind, first dot 5mph second dot 10mph.
The vertical line studs are calibrated for BDC holdover in .308 and 70gr 5.56, with mildots as well.
The horseshoe is calibrated at 200m holdover, the inner chevron is calibrated for 100m holdover at the bottom of the chevron, middle of the chevron is 50m, and top of the chevron below 50yds.
>That doesn't even make any sense.
It makes perfect sense, it's the best battle reticle ever designed tbqh senpai.
>>28057642
gotcha, thanks.
>>28048635
Should include model numbers.
>>28057619
Man...looking at their website- the scope, mount and Fastfire up top looks pretty choice. Thanks for the suggestion.
>>28057730
I'd skip the fastfire on top, it's waaaaaay to high to be useful.
Also, the PEPR mount is ok, but get the QD and not the fixed version, so you can still use your backup iron sights.
>>28057746
*too high.
>>28057694
Vortex is prolly the hd gen2 4.5-27
NF is prolly the F1 Atacr 5-25 or beast
kahles is the 6-24
bushnell is either the 3.5-21 / 4.5-30
s&b is either the 5-25 / 3-20 / 3-27
uso is either 3.2-17 / 5-25
march is the 3-24
premier was the 5-25
steiner was the 5-25
>>28057834
forgot the leupy
that is prolly the mk 8 3.5-25
>>28057834
Some guys will rock a 3-18 razor. I tend to stay below 20 on mine as it is.
nogunz here,
I'm going to start hunter ed in a few months, what's a good rifle to start off with and then use to hunt with? Califag here, so deer and pigs are my main focus.
>>28058167
How far will you be shooting? Is there a possibility that you'll go after bigger game with this rifle? Are quick follow up shots necessary? Shooting experience? Budget?
>>28058245
I won't go above deer/pig. I've shot a few times but never really owned/got proper training with rifles. I know I won't be shooting super far, maybe 300-400 yds? My budget is around $600, but I still have to buy supplies and pay for classes and etc.
>>28048466
>quality
>posts worst CA ever seen by human eyes
My old BSA didn't have CA that bad.
>>28048099
>>28048416
I concur with this
>>28048099
>>28048416
I'm a total faggot who bought a Remington 783 on sale at my local Gander mountain for $200.
What would you recommend I put on it?
>>28058308
Sell it and buy a Savage.
But if you're absolutely set on keeping it, a Bushnell Elite 10x40 MIL/MIL is a good low cost/high delivery optic.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/950843/bushnell-elite-3200-tactical-rifle-scope-10x-40mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-mil-dot-reticle-matte
>>28058298
Mini 30 is $700+
Buy a savage instead?
>>28058298
>can't hunt anything with .223
Anon pls.
PLENTY of white tail have been dropped with 223. I hand load a 75 gr OTM going 3k fps that will drop a white tail like a sack of potatoes.
>>28058167
>>28058274
Do you want bolt action or semiauto.
Frankly if you're hunting focused then get a bolt action. If you want your hunting rifle to double duty as a HD gun or SHTF gun or something, get something in semiauto.
I'd buy an FAL if I were you. You can find them around $800 or better.
>>28058365
I'm hunting focused, but I'm open to semiautos. FAL's are out of the question because Commifornia and I don't want to deal with the BS.
>>28058349
Well, here in Colorado you can't hunt deer with .223.
Caliber restrictions are fucking stupid, but they exist, as much sense as .22-250 makes for pronghorn, I can't use it.
>>28058365
? You must be seeing some good deals on FALs. I certainly don't see that.
He said $600 for everything, and courses and optics (if he gets them) will take a chunk out of it.
>>28058430
I'm open to going around $800 for starting off with funz. I fell in love with them after my 2nd time going plinking.
>>28058308
Get a leupold vx2 3-9 and see how you like it. If you don't, sell it and buy either a save model 11 or a ruger american
>>28057746
Thanks for the suggestions. Though, my AR didn't come with the carry handle/rear iron sight, so I'd need to find an alternative for that area as well.
>>28057765
Mine is similar to this dudes, but the top of my rifle is nearly all rail, and I have the front iron sight (fixed) also.
>>28058538
>Though, my AR didn't come with the carry handle/rear iron sight, so I'd need to find an alternative for that area as well.
The best low cost rear sight options are a Magpul MBUS, or a matech on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATECH-BUIS-BACK-UP-IRON-SIGHT-FLIP-UP-PICATINNY-BLACK-600M-/201476035736?hash=item2ee8e85498:g:1OcAAOSw7FRWW-G7
>>28058453
Well damn, if you're topping out at $800 for everything I definitely suggest getting a high quality budget bolt action and optic, $400ish for the gun, $250ish for the optic, and $150ish for wiggle room on your two fundamentals and accessories (gun case, sling, maintenance products, etc).
Here are my two recommendations:
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis2xp
http://ruger.com/products/americanRifle/specSheets/6903.html
Both in .308 Win, which is a difficult cartridge to start on but the best (common) cartridge to grow into.
>>28058335
>>28058470
Thanks senpai
>>28058612
>http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis2xp
Actually I didn't realize this came with a scope already mounted. I'd find a better model in their lineup without a scope and buy your own glass which will be undoubtedly better bang for your buck.
>>28058612
Any scope recommendations?
Or should i follow what >>28058335
said
>>28058582
Cool man, thanks a ton.
>>28058670
theres also the hog hunter that doesn't come with a scope. Are all 3 good contenders to check out?
What do you think >>28048099
>>28057495
Bushnell Elite Tactical scopes are all made by Light Optical Works in Japan to my knowledge.
>>28058672
I'd never recommend a Bushnell, you're paying a premium for the name and their optics aren't any better and sometimes significantly worse than you can get with some of the no name chinese scopes or off brand jap scopes for your money.
I don't mean to shill to hard, but I'm the anon that recommended the Primary Arms 4-14x44 scope earlier in the thread. My last two scopes were both that same model, but the first one I bought was the mildot reticle with no illumination and the second was with the ACSS illuminated reticle.
This is my budget recommendation above anything else out there and I researched obsessively all the options in this price range. There's simple no other mildot scope with MRAD turrets with this high of quality with this much magnification WITH FIRST FOCAL PLANE in this price range, period.
It's just a phenomenally unbeatable value and the glass is fucking clear and sharp.
http://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-4-14X-Tactical-PA4-14XFFP/dp/B00L5IL5X2/
>>28058756
FFP is useful for ranging with a reticle, but asides from that, it causes it own headaches in designing a scope.
Bushnell high end glass is amazing for its price. Especially the reticles.
>>28058785
>FFP is useful for ranging with a reticle
Yes, one of the most important things to be able to do quickly when hunting.
> it causes it own headaches in designing a scope.
Why the hell would I care about the "headache" of designing it, all I care is that it works.
I will never, NEVER again buy a scope without FFP. There's literally no reason not to get it if you can get it, it's objectively superior in every possible way to SFP as long as the reticle is etched well.
>>28058582
Fullfield Tac30 + the p.e.p.r quick release mounting system for $300 a pretty fair price?
>>28058278
the hell are you on about.
>>28058785
Also, I agree with you that high end Bushnell glass is amazing, and it's also actually made by an entirely different division within Bushnell at separate factories with different suppliers.
On their budget scopes you're buying Chinese scopes with MAYBE Japanese glass at a premium because it's a name brand. There's no reason to do that whatsoever when there are no names that out compete them in that segment, sometimes by fantastic margins.
>>28058832
Yeah, that's pretty good.
>>28058849
to be fair, in your other pic the CA appeared to be pretty bad but I knew it was just the angle of the camera to the lens.
>>28058612
Is it not a bad idea to get a .22lr rifle too since I don't have lengthy experience with distance shooting?
>>28058885
Thanks. Curious; TAC30 or MTAC?
>>28058958
Everyone, EVERYONE that shoots should own a .22LR rifle. No exceptions.
However you sure as hell won't be taking deer or hogs with it (legally, anyway).
If you just want to get into shooting and get your marksmanship fundamentals up to par before you invest in your hunting system, then hell yeah, get yourself a 10/22. You can even pair it with the optic you eventually intend to hunt with and get to know how to operate it and the fundamentals of doping and holdover/under/off, etc.
>>28059015
I'd get the TAC 30.
The MTAC's reticle is very busy, and the turrets are mostly useless on a 4x optic--not to mention they're in MOA anyway, which is a little obsolete these days.
>>28059024
Thanks, I'll get the scope first and a ruger 10/22 then buy the axis/american/hog hunter later.
>>28058958
>>28059024
>>28059048
also to add about training with 10/22 on the scope you will eventually move to a hunting rifle with, is that as a new shooter it's definitely going to take a good while and plenty of practice to learn how to employ the mildot system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X3SLslalJE
I think you'll be served well by training on your 10/22, best of fortunes to you.
>>28059028
Supposedly in the MTAC, the illumination button was redesigned and the reticle doesn't move as the user changes magnification.
>>28059096
> the reticle doesn't move as the user changes magnification.
That's called Front/First Focal Plane or FFP.
>>28059096
>the illumination button was redesigned
I believe it was, but that's no deal breaker.
>the reticle doesn't move as the user changes magnification.
That would make it first focal plane (FFP) and it is not.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/640107/burris-mtac-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-1-4x-24mm-illuminated-ballistic-cq-reticle-matte
>>28058756
I wouldn't go that far. Bushnell has solid value, especially compared to the "high end brands" like Nightforce, Kahles, Swarovski, Leupold, and US Optics.
How do you guys like the Burris XTR II 1-5x24mm? Looking at picking one up.
>>28059378
No first hand experience, but the 35mm tube is going to carry a steep weight penalty
I have the chance to get rid of my cheapo AR carbine for a Savage Hog Hunter in .308 with a green polymer stock, threaded barrel, bipod, and a Bushnell 6-18x50.
How good are the Savage Hogs? I know .308 isn't the greatest precision rifle round but it would be more capable than any other rifle I own
pic related
>>28059435
meh, like 2 oz. extra. Worth it for the enhanced brightness, especially if you might be hunting in low light.
>>28058830
How is FFP useful outside of reticle ranging?
>>28058830
Through scope pic on lowest power please.
>>28059048
Get a savage mk ii fv or ruger American rimfire. Easier/better to learn the basics on a bolt. If you want a solid scope for a 22 I would 100% recommend a Bushnell legend just for the parallax adjustment being down to 20 on the 4.5-14 and I think 15 on the 3-9.
>>28059565
Tube diameter does not give better light transmission. It give room for erector build and travel. Take a hard look at the vortex strike eagle too.
>>28059529
Scope would do well with a transfer to a 22. The rifles are nice of you want to build off them in the future because they are top bolt release. Accuracy tends to be good, and excellent for the price range.
>>28059899
I don't use mine for ranging, I've got a range finder for that. I use it for speeding up followup shots, hold over for windage/drop when quick shots are necessary. High power sfp scopes are shot just for the fact that if mirage is up you'll never be using the reticle for anything.
>>28059900
Dude wants my Anderson lower/M&P upper for it plus a couple boxes of steel case crap ammo
good trade on my part or nah?
>>28059936
I'm a Canadian who worked in a hunting store for 2 years. I know my bolt guns good. The only ar's I've got experience with are the norincos and nea's we sold. Just price them both out online. If you want to get I to bolts a Hog hunter would be a good stepping point
>>28059899
That's it's only use, and it's the most important one. Efficient ranging is the ENTIRE basis of the mildot system and calculating hold and doping.
With SFP you have to fuck around with recalculating for your zoom factor, which means break out the fucking milmaster sliderule or a pencil and pad. That's fucking stupid.
>>28059924
>if mirage is up you'll never be using the reticle for anything.
Mirage has never even come close to interfering with my FFP reticle and I shoot in the Texas heat. Try getting a scope with an etched reticle that isn't shit.
>>28060037
Reread and notice mirage was a strike against sfp aka not ffp.
I'm also >>28048575
>>28060067
Ahh I meant shit not shot. I can see the coconfusion. Sry m8
>>28060098
NP bruh
>>28060111
What do you shoot? Out of curiosity...
>>28060133
DPMS-308B for hunting and benchrest, precision modded Ruger SR22(Rifle) for marksmanship practice.
When I was researching my systems I got tuned into using 40gr standard velocity .22LR as a stand in for .308 since the ballistic trajectory at 100m matches .308 at 430m.
These two rifles are the perfect compliment to eachother, the SR22 feels just like a scaled down 308B, down to the handguard radius, picrail sections, and sight placement.
Sorry no pics handy.
>>28060213
Sounds fun! Glass?
>>28060365
Primary Arms 4-14x44 ACSS on the 308 and Primary Arms 4-14x44 Milreticle on the 22.
Anyone use any of the East Wave POSPs?
I plan to shoot paper at 100 and 300 yards, maybe deer and dindus I'm shtf.
The most dangerous game here are boars.
I've made out the H&K MR308 as my primary option since prices are very much out of alignment with US prices here.
What are the pros and cons of 308 for my scenario and how much should I spend to get the most out of the rifle? The army uses a 5000€ s&b with red dot on top, but I am a bit hesitant on dropping 7500 on what will mostly be a range toy.
>>28055898
I was thinking of getting a 10x44 st-10 for my Vepr. Would that be a cost appropriate scope?
>>28059378
I have their 1.5-8 and its solid so far. I'm debating on whether to keep it on my scar or move it to my spr I just finished. go with the cq mil reticle version.
>>28059435
tube size is 30mm, the 1.5-8 is when you step up to 34mm.
What glass should I get for a CZ 455 for 50-100 yard hunting/target shooting?
>>28060067
>>28060037
>>28059899
>>28058830
For what it's worth, the big challenges with FFP scope design are dealing with reticle design and reticle illumination, both generally non-issues for precision shooters, but a huge deal for action shooters.
For 1-6x, 1-8x optics, having an easily visible reticle at 1x that isn't huge and obstructive at 8x is pretty tough, I've personally grown to really dislike circledot or horseshoe reticles in these types of scopes for this reason. Pic related is the best possible compromise, in my opinion. Thick stadia are less obtrusive, but still effective in guiding the eye to the center. Like I said, this is a non-issue for precision shooters who aren't likely to use their scopes at such a low magnification that they can't find the reticle, nor read pertinent information from it.
As far as illumination, sfp is much simpler to illuminate, and all of the scopes well regarded for having daylight visible red dot-like illumination are sfp. This is starting to change with dual plane illumination which illuminates a center dot very brightly at low power and the whole reticle dimly at high power, best of both worlds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JiqNCWXRs0
Again, non-issue for precision shooters who would only need dim illumination to make the reticle visible in low light, big deal for action shooters who need daylight bright red dot illumination for close in stuff.
So yeah, at this point in time, there are definitely still reasons to go sfp over ffp.
>>28062858
March 8-80 with 1/16th dot.
Or if that's outside what you want to spend maybe give us a budget and what mag range you'd like
>>28061759
So it is, I'd looked at a lot of the other XTR II optics and they were all 35mm, I figured the entire line was.
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-5x24-XTR-II-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P68063.aspx
>>28062886
It might sound weird then that we are recommending ffp scopes in a thread called "precision rifle thread?
>>28062886
Another method is to use small circular reticles visible at 6x, but that zoom down to an indistinguishable dot at 1x--which you can then illuminate very bright and use like a giant red dot.
>>28062965
Low mag like that isn't meant to be dailed fkr elevation so erector travel wasn't a big deal
>>28062991
Yeah, I thought it was an odd choice, turns out they were smarter than I thought.
>>28062973
Plenty of people asking for scope recommendations for the 100-300m range, for which a 1-6x may well be ideal.
>>28048492
Muh nigga.
>>28062858
look at 2-10/3-12/3-15/4-16
4-20 if you are shooting really small targets
>>28062965
which are 35? I thought the others were 34mm. Only scopes I know of that do 35mm is IOR and Vortex HD gen1
>>28062973
sfp are good only for known ranges but ffp scopes give the option of being at whatever magnification is dictated by the local conditions and then ranging said target. If your scope can range only at max power and max power is 20/25 well that is fine in cold to moderate temps but in hot weather the mirage can affect you so much as to get in inaccurate reading. ffp allows you to dial down enough so the mirage isn't as noticeable and then to range the target using the reticle.
>>28062991
it has 26mils of total elevation travel which is the same as the 34mm models excluding the 3-15 which has 32mils and the 8-40 which has 20 mils.
>>28063385
Yeah, I caught that after I posted the link, they're all 34mm. I almost corrected myself, but the point stands about weight and size regardless if they're 34mm or 35mm.
I stick with 30mm tubes on my optics, due to weight when I take them hunting (not to mention the price), so I don't have all of them memorized which is 34mm or 35mm.
>>28048765
Try one of the redfield scopes. Price is very reasonable, and they are of decent quality
>>28048765
This one will do everything a Duplex reticle hunting optic will, but also lets you dial dopes, estimate range with the reticle, hold for wind/drop in the reticle, etc.
It's branded as a blackhawk, but it's really made by Weaver.
http://swfa.com/Blackhawk-3-9x40-Tactical-Riflescope-P66735.aspx
>>28063385
Burris optics website has the 34mm tubes at 110moa elevation and the 1-5 at 90moa. Not sure where you looked.
>>28063108
Most of them are also looking for hunting scopes or "2 legged critter" scopes. I know a guy that shoots almost nothing but 100yd benches he uses a fixed March iirc. Would he use it for hunting? Probably not.
That's why when people ask for a scope, you need more then knowing how far they are shooting.
>>28062909
Not sure about mag range. Looking to spend ~250 or so but I'd go up to 300 if it was really worth it. Do you really benefit from really high magnification for 100 yard .22 shooting?
First precision build. Savage .308 FCP-K. MDT chassis. I'm Canadian so high end optics are hella overpriced here. I opted for the Vortex PST 6-24x50 which on sale here was 1350$ Glass is alright, eye relief is horrible and if you're not right were you need to be, using the scope can be a chore at times. I got to look through a Vortex HD Razor Gen II and that will be replacing the PST. Just sucks they are 3200$ up here
>>28063500
you may want to recheck their website
>>28063537
Since your range is $250-300 max then just look for a fixed power. it is more important to have something that is solid then something that has variable power but may have an elevation knob with dead clicks.
>>28063537
If your shooting Bench competition then sure. If your looking for something to shoot squirrels while walking around, but still want to play at 100 with friends then more on the high end is nice.
Look at the Bushnell legend 4.5-14. Parallax down to 20 yards, reticle is almost the perfect thickness, magnification on the high end is awesome, and image quality is great. If you can, buy it in person and look through it first though. We had a few models through that had flecks of black on the lens.
>>28063500
>That's why when people ask for a scope, you need more then knowing how far they are shooting.
Agreed, which is why I wrote up that bigger post - even in a precision context, you shouldn't dismiss a SFP scope, since the best scope for the intended purpose may be SFP.
I would argue that below 500m, the best "two legged critter" scopes available ARE SFP 1-6x scopes, such as the k16i or razor HD 2.
If you're shooting much smaller targets at the same ranges, then obviously accurate ranging is going to be more important and an FFP may be more appropriate.
>>28063606
I did lol. My bad. The erector's they are using throughout the lines are different. The 30mm's lack of parallax is probably what's giving it that range in that tube. The 3-15 has little windage which is probably why it's got all that elevation.
My bad m8
>>28063594
3200 usd, that is quite the premium but i guess export and import fees must be a bit.
One option to look at is german scopes. I mean I got my steiner m5xi for 2700 with msr ret nib.
>>28063637
no prob man
>>28063635
Or if you're doing known distance shooting (bench, f-class, whatever), then either a fixed or SFP variable would be preferred over an FFP for the finest consistent reticle. No ranging necessary, dial everything so no accurate graduated hold markers, etc.
Completely different to PRS or long range hunting, where an FFP would be marvelously more convenient to use for ranging and quick holds.
>>28063674
Ya, anything remotely high end, be it lasers,scopes or accessories are close to double $ vs the US. And that's even if they can be imported in.
>>28063594
Where in Canada? I'm Vancouver island. Optics jumped hard with the dollars fall.
>if you didn't spend as much on the glass as you did the rifle, you're doing it wrong
lol
>>28063616
Thanks, I will check it out. What does that mean for shots under 20 yards?
>>28064501
Not much competition under 20 yards. For shooting small critters cans etc You'll be fine under 20. Most fixed powers have a fixed parallax at 100 yds. The 20 yds is a vast improvement.
>>28063723
Yep, Im here on the island, southern end
>>28062858
Which 455 do you have?
Personally looking at the Lux or Ultra Lux
Someone talk to me about mounts
>>28066590
Is it for the pictured setup?
If so what are you wanting a fixed mount or qd?
>>28067133
Yes, for this setup. Burris XTR II 1-5x24mm on a 14.5" upper Looking for fixed mount. Don't think I'll ever need to take it off.
>>28066293
Varmint with threaded barrel, walnut stock. No longer in production.
>>28067290
Aero Precision SPR 1" offset.
>lightest mount in the world
>stronger than PEPR
>ultra-low-profile everything so it doesn't interfere with turrets or snag shit
>$75-80 on Amazon or through PA
>>28062886
I really want to see how good the ET1625DP is. It looks like it might be like the Minox ZP8 but at a reasonable price and less absurd zoom level (6.5x).
>>28067290
What is your max limit for this mount?
On the low end you could look at the Aero line of mounts like the other guy posted. Since the xtr2 is a 30mm maintube you could look at these 2 models:
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/ultralight-30mm-extended-scope-mount.html
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/ultralight-30mm-spr-scope-mount.html
Personally I'd look at the SPR version since it gives you more room to mount on the limited rail space.
I have my 1.5-8 xtr2 on my spr in a Bobro 34mm extended mount and it's right on the edge of being too far forward. I know that the eye relief can be a little more forgiving on the 1-5 but its just something to think about.
If you want to step up above that mount you could look at the warne 1 piece mount:
http://swfa.com/Warne-MSR-Extended-Skeletonized-30mm-Mount-P81553.aspx
I havent used the warne personally but ive read good things about it on arfcom.
A step above the warne is Aadlant mount. I've read nothing but great things about this mount and I own some flip up caps for my steiner which are good. Almost too good since they were a bitch to take off.
http://swfa.com/Aadland-AR-30mm-Scope-Mount-P85701.aspx
Top shelf mounts when it comes to fixed mounts is of course the spuhr isms. I have one and the fit and finish is amazing. It is nice that they give you the 10* wedge for quick scope installation. Also like the aadland it comes with a built in level, which is overkill for a 1-5 but still jut giving you options. People have reported of slippage in these mounts but that was on heavy recoiling rounds with light guns, and what spuhr did to solve that is to create cuts on the inside of the rings so you can add either rosin to the scope rings to make sure it won't slip or you can add a drop or so of blue loctite. supposedly some mil guys were doing that with there mounts but who knows that just may be them blowing smoke up people's asses.
If you decide that you want to go qd I'd suggest Bobro mounts. (CONT)
>>28067290
>>28068038
(CONT)
It is what I use with my 1.5-8 xtr2 and it has served me well for a bit. It locks back into place rock solid and I don't notice any poi shift. You can look at this model which can be had for inbetween the aadland mount and the warne mount.
http://swfa.com/Bobro-Dual-Lever-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P76464.aspx
If youre wanting to save a lil bit of money but still want the bobro name and quality you could look at the swfa branded version. the difference being that the swfa uses only 1 locking switch compared to bobro's branded 2 switch.
On a 556 gun you may not need the 2 switch model but for me if I was going with the bobro mount I'd still shell out the extra 25$ for the 2 switch model just for peace of mind.
hope it helps
Hmmm. On an AR, rather than a 1-4x, what about a 1-6x? This Vortex sight has a ton of positive reviews, with quality that is on par for scopes twice the price:
http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/strike_eagle_riflescopes
>>28068249
I've always preferred something a bit more than 4x for a top end, currently have a 1.5-5x VX3 on my 18" rifle.
Were I in the market for a new, low-power optic it'd be the Strike Eagle hands-down (since while technically I could afford it, the 1-10x SFP March is too goddamned expensive to justify).
>>28068290
I was talking with an anon up in the thread last night regarding a Burris Tac30 and MTAC. After doing a bit of reading last night and looking around, it seems that there is a definite want within the AR community for a true 1-6x. This Vortex Strike Eagle get's great reviews anywhere you look online, with retailers selling them well below the MSRP on the Vortex website.
That March scope is crazy expensive. Your VX3 is nice. My rifle is also 18".
>>28058958
i refuse to believe you are an american if you don't have a .22lr bolt or a 10/22
>>28068448
I actually have the March 1-8x FFP tactical on a 20" .308AR. It's really, REALLY fucking nice, but even at a significant discount the $2700 I paid for it hurt. A lot.
>>28068510
Buying at times is totally subjective, so in that, with your discount, what separates your scope apart from your second choice? What was the selling point(s)?
>>28068618
It was shorter, brighter, and it was a true 1x instead of 1.1x. Also had a reticle I liked better for my use.
It was down to the March 1-8xFFP or the S&B 1.1-8x high power (which was at the time also about $700 more expensive, though they've come down a LOT with the introduction of the Short Dot 2 in 1.1-8x)..
>>28068631
...well, what website is this!?
>>28068720
Cool, thanks man. That's quite the coin. Having nice things is pretty neat-o. I'm a poor college fag, so I have to make due for a while yet.
>>28068761
3point5.com. Basically a rewards program for retailers of verious products. You can "train" (web classes) on various brands and get humongous discounts.
>>28067290
>fixed
Aero Precision
>QD
ADM Scout.
>>28068773
How about hooking a poor an anon up?
>>28068249
Burris PEPR QD if you're broke
ADM Scout if you aren't.
>>28068822
Sorry, ToU is pretty specific about being personal-use-only. And they do a pretty damned good job about it.
Sorry anon :)
>>28067637
Ahh, I didn't really look into the varmint, but possibly.
I just want irons to practice with first, then I'll throw a scope on. I could always get the marmint then get a lux barrel.
>>28068885
Oh, I should also mention I'm only allowed to buy 10 optics a year through them, though I can buy unlimited accessories.
$50, high-end cantilever mounts are the tits.
>>28068822
basically it's a small reward for being a retail jockey
good: discounts
bad: you work at a fucking retail store
>>28068935
One anon with a new optic who would be stoked on saving some grocery money; I'll paypal you now.
Interesting website but:
>>28068954
I don't work retail (in college) nor do I have the patience for such things. Interesting concept of a website though.
What are the advantages of a 1 piece mount vs rings?
>>28055750
That's a NICE rifle! I have the same one (AI bipod instead of Atlas) with a March FX 5-40 FFP. What I really, really want, though, is to shit my AI up with decals of anime women. Can anyone help me with this?
>>28068825
Thanks again for the suggestions dude.
>>28068982
email me @ [email protected] and I'll think about it.
It has to be shipped to my store via Vortex' policy so it'll be a while before I have it in hand.
>have Android phone
>like shooting long range
>want Pro version of a ballistics application
I've been using the free version Strelok and it's OK.
Which app should get my money? I kinda like how Shooter has a site so I can manage my profile online since I hate touch screens and my phone is "small".
Is Applied Ballistics worth thirty fucking dollars?
>>28069011
Proper ocular height (even X-tall rings can sometimes be too low on AR-style rifles), and proper eye relief (AR15's have a short top rail and most scopes are 12"+ long), plus they're a bit stronger and allow good QD options (though the Warne QD rings are nice). They're also retardedly simple to mount.
>>28069043
Pirate one of the two.
>>28069027
Emailing you now. You will be getting an email from a Hawaii.edu email.
>>28066253
I'm in vic! Where do you shoot at?
Great series of videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WRO17sk_dI&list=PLACF2AEF0EC711484
These videos range from how to set up your scope, check cheek alignment, understanding ''dope'', MOA vs Milliradians (as well as what they mean), cleaning, and a little more advance topics.
You don't have to watch them all unless you're interested in doing long range stuff, as a lot of this has applications in hunting too.
Building an AR-10 from Aero Precision M5 build. I don't have a BCG; does anyone have any suggestions? I haven't ordered the barrel yet; would getting the barrel and bolt headspaced to eachother benefit accuracy?
>>28069721
I actually just put my M5 receivers together. I actually got the Aero BCG too, because it has the proper serrations for the forward assist.
You should get the bolt and barrel head spaced to each other anyway, but I don't think it will affect accuracy.
>>28048099
Nearing post limit, but I have a Weatherby Mark V in .300 wby mag, it has a peep sight on it.....
I need a scope for it, any advice for what sort of scope to get? Ideally below $400. I've been looking at Leupold mostly, Something really draws me to a fixed 10x scope.
Any suggestions?
>>28069937
I should add, I really want a scope that has the "hash mark reticle" like >>28048466
But all the ones I find are plain-jane crosshairs. halp
>>28069937
>Something really draws me to a fixed 10x
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/950843/bushnell-elite-3200-tactical-rifle-scope-10x-40mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-mil-dot-reticle-matte
I've had great success with that one, and it's plenty light and compact.
SWFA also makes great fixed scopes, but the 30mm tube will be heavier:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53712.aspx
>>28068954
Send vortex an email and ask if they have a staff program outside 3.5
I bought my gen2 razer at 75% off msrp up in canafa through a direct pro deal
What do you folks think of scout rifles?
>>28071188
I support having a handy 7.62 bolt gun, but that's as far as I go down that path. At the time Cooper published his scout concept it was already outdated as there were a plethora of quality semi-auto 7.62s available that perform the same job he wanted it to, but better.
>>28069145
Vic, Mostly i'm at the RP range at Vic Fish and Game.
>>28071188
Had a friend with a ruger scout. He loved it. Had the 2.5x leupold on it. Was fun but didn't do it for me
