Ruger mini-14
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Convince me not to buy one of these over an ar or ak
>>28014715
The old ones are pieces of shit with crummy actions and super thin barrels.
The new ones are pieces of shit with crummy actions.
Also they cost a fuckload, for a piece of shit.
>Mini-14
Just get an AR senpai
>>28014715
Get the ares upper and a more traditional upper for an AR. Looks the same, better parts and cheaper mags.
>>28014715
Proprietary magazines that cost $40 each.
Failing to enter battery
>>28014715
Less aftermarket support than either the AR or AK, most useful if you live in a AWB state that fucks you for having a pistol grip on your rifle. If you live in a ban state, or must be a gun hipster with something other than an AR or AK, by all means.
But really, get what you'll enjoy. It's your money.
>>28014715
>worse accuracy than AR
>worse reliability than AK
>worse aftermarket than both
>expensive proprietary mags
>no muzzle threading
>>28014780
I live in new york so I have the SAFE act to deal with
>>28014762
b-b-but if i get two uppers, how will i put it on a lower?
>>28014715
The new ones are supposed to be pretty damn accurate, plus there is just something sexy about the ergonomics and looks
If you like it, get it
If you prefer ARs, get one
>>28014856
Faggot you know what I mean.
>>28014854
>>28014895
>The new ones are supposed to be pretty damn accurate
>Requires a harmonic dampener in order to be remotely accurate
Wha?
>>28014854
ARES SCR. I personally would just purchase their lower and build an upper to my tastes.
Almost full AR part compatibility, and it does not look like complete hammered ass like the neutered NY compliant standard ARs do.
>>28014902
probably pretty comfortable to shoot, if you have extra long arms and don't care about the shit tier recoil handling
>>28014941
Well I'm italian and my arms are made of spaghetti.
>>28014902
That shit looks like it was manufactured by Bubba inc
>>28014937
I need this, and I don't even live in a shit state
>tfw saddle scabbard
>>28014895
This.
If you have no interest in aftermarket parts or customization, its all boils down to what you like. The only real, objective advantage an AR has over a Mini-14 is its aftermarket.
Everything else is just a matter of preference. Do you prefer the DI action or the garand action? Pistol grip or rifle grip? You can go one way or the other and not really be wrong.
>>28014937
On a scale from 1 to neat that's pretty neat.
>>28015001
I've always had a thing for the m14, but I'm not willing to shell out 2500 dollarydoos to get one, which is why I was considering the mini14. I don't have any desire to throw on a bunch tactical shit on my rifle either.
>>28015001
>The only real, objective advantage an AR has over a Mini-14 is its aftermarket
>and ergonomics, accuracy, better magazine, better action, reliability, you know, everything.
ftfy
>>28015081
So ya, your exactly like my brother.
He had had the exact same logic and went with a Mini-14. He's been happy with it ever since.
>>28014937
How the fuck do you manipulate your hand to get to the trigger? That looks uncomfortable as shit to shoot.
Other than the odd placement of the stock it looks like a good gun. (Yes, I know it has to be there for the buffer tube assembly, but still.
>>28015123
>Ergonomics
Subjective
>Accuracy
It seems accurate enough to me. No less accurate then my friends AR
>Better magazine
There's no reason the Mini-14 shouldn't use AR mags aside from Ruger jewing you but the magazines aren't bad.
>Better action
Subjective
>Reliability
It's reliable enough and I've never had a failure
There is nothing wrong with a new Mini-14. Ya, your probably not getting as much bang for your buck as an AR but Mini-14s are perfectly respectable rifles.
>>28015123
I know, but I have 6 AR's and I just really want to be faceman
If I could find this mini-14 for under 2k id get it
>>28015247
>Better action
>Subjective
come on now. the action is dated as fuck,
it has literally no advantages over other actions.
tell me the objective reasons mini14 action is on par with an ar
>>28015247
>Subjective
Wasn't aware the human body shape was subjective, spose if you have a physical defect perhaps. Or perhaps you don't know what ergonomic means?
>>28015247
>It seems accurate enough to me. No less accurate then my friends AR
Anecdotal evidence, disregarded
>There's no reason the Mini-14 shouldn't use AR mags aside from Ruger jewing you but the magazines aren't bad.
Not as good both in mag design and catch system as the AR.
>Better action
>Subjective
https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8
Inb4 it's nawt the same.
>It's reliable enough and I've never had a failure
Anecdote, disregarded.
You have to be 18 or older to post here.
>>28015260
God I want one of those too.
>>28015260
I wish mine looked like that
>>28015260
>My favorite LGS had a gov't stocked mini 14, but they wanted $1100 for it and that seemed ridiculous at the time
Granted it was blued, but it was the government model, folding stock and bayonet lug.
>>28015310
And the AR-15 action isn't dated?
>>28015314
thats pretty close man, throw a wood stock on it and it will be close at a glance. How do you like the gun? Im seriously considering saving for a transferable on e and converting it to the faceman blaster
>>28015339
not compared to the mini 14s which is a modified (for lower cost and simplicity of production) action based on interwar designs
>>28015359
I still haven't shot it and that pisses me off.
But I love the looks and the action. The pistol grip is a bit goofy looking but other than that I feel like it's a sold gun.
Op I am looking at these as well
I just don't care to do much after market and a small garland action is adorable
So I'll be getting one at some point soonish
>>28015310
Garand action is from 1936. AR di system is from 1956. It pretty much just two decades newer which is nothing in the terms of firearm longevity.
>>28014715
Early Minis prior to the 580 series had accuracy issues. Thin untapered barrels would allow groups to open up as barrels heated up under sustained fire. 580- serial numbered guns solved this problem by using a thicker tapered barrel.
>>28015314
Pic is my 183 factory folder made circa 1981.
>>28015638
>solved
No, helped? Sure. Solved? No.
>>28014902
Fuckin' Fallout 4, man.
>>28015659
The only thing i'm curious about is the parallel universe where the AR system is more reliable than the Garand system.
>in before somebody posting James "the Ditch Bitch" Yeager's video "proving" the AR15 is more reliable
>>28015001
>The only real, objective advantage an AR has over a Mini-14 is its aftermarket.
Confirmed retard
>parts availability
>reliability
>better mags
>ergonomivs
>cost
>have never felt a stock ar trigger more gritty than a stock mini trigger
>most adopted combat rifle design in us
>mag interchangeability with literally everyone
>pistol grips are more comfortable
>barrels aren't toothpicks
>what is muzzledevice
>not spending $800 on a $450 rifle
Literally no reason to get a mini over ar or ak
And don't even get me started on mini 30's and issues with steel rounds aka the only 7.62x39 you should spend your shekels on
>>28016408
>The only thing i'm curious about is the parallel universe where the AR system is more reliable than the Garand system.
Hate to break it to you, but you're living in it.
>>28014715
Hearing damage
>>28016408
See https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8
The action is horrifically exposed and prone to foreign contamination getting into the working parts.
>>28015510
>1924
fixed that for you
open action semis where abandoned after the war. except for the m14, which by comparison to its competitors were under par too.
>>28016607
That test is pretty horribly controlled.
Also the Garand and M14 are not the same action.
>>28016698
The AK is even more open.
Cons- Expensive for what it is
Pros- Makes AR owners assblasted because someone dares own a .223 rifle that isn't an AR even though the AR is objectively* superior in every way
>>28016726
what are dustcovers for 100
are you seriouslly trying to say that the ak action which is covered by a dustcover is open?
>>28016743
>objectively
You use this word but i do not think it means what you think it does
>>28016750
It's not much of a dust cover.
It's a safety that happens to cover it.
>>28016786
Does anyone in this thread really know what it means?
>>28016807
People who admit ar's are vastly superior to mini14's in every way
>>28016821
Right.
Except if someone didn't want an AR. In that case, an AR would be a pretty bad choice.
>>28016715
Knew you were gonna say that, laughed too.
>>28014715
purchasable pre-built:
http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/ares-defense-rifles/SCR-002
>>28016854
Are you implying they're the same?
Because they aren't.
>>28016787
the aks safety lever is not the dustcover
>>28016892
It functions as one when its engaged.
>>28016887
why are you bringing up the m14 anyways. arent the mini-14 action most related to the m1 carbine?
>>28016914
and the action is in no way fucking more open than the garand action when it isnt on safe
>>28016937
Well it is.
I own both, and there's more room for dust to get into an AK.
>>28014715
get what you want, shoot what makes you happy.
>>28016917
Because the M14 was used in the video that was posted.
>>28016844
Ya if someone didn't want anything besides a ford pinto that doesn't make the ford pinto a good choice
Op said convince him not to buy a mini so I'm convincing him not to buy one
Now convince me you aren't a faggot
>>28016887
It borrows heavily from the design, the entire project to produce it revolved around modifying the construction. What are you smoking?
>>28016949
Because owning something makes you an expert
>not who you replied to
>>28016743
Pretty much this. ARfags are like Glockfags. Great guns backed by a horrible community that thinks their chosen gun is the end all, be all of small arms and anyone who owns anything else is a complete retard.
Drinking ARfag tears is just too fun to pass up on.
>>28016984
I have sex with women.
Pretty unfaggy tþh fäm.
>>28014927
The old ones do, the new ones don't
>>28017001
When it's something that you can determine literally just by looking at it,
then yeah, it does.
>>28017025
Except they do, that's why their target model has it. If you're going for accuracy, you need it.
>>28017006
Op btough up ar's vs mini and in every way imaginable ar's win
>>28017318
Mini-14s are better looking.
>>28017324
They are pretty.
Why does /k/ hate on the Mini 14 so much? It's such a pretty little gun and it shoots stuff.
>>28018602
It's perceived hate.
Look how the question is posed, it's either "convince me not to buy one" which leads people to point out the design flaws and shortcomings, along with the inflated price. OR, it's "which is better" which leads to the same damn thing, in a more comparative sense.
Then the mini 14 fanboys out out to defend, and the AR fanboys come out to attack.
>>28018613
Obviously the AR15 is a better gun than both the Mini 14 and the AK, but fuck.
Mini 14 is kawaii as fucc nigga
>>28015311
hows your asshole feeling after you fucked yourself with your ar? all you you can counter is with subjective and anecdotal evidence aka your fucking opinion. ive shot both and i love the mini 14 and you can go fuck yourself
>>28018624
Sure, and it's an alright gun for what it is, no doubt bout that.
>>28020343
>lolherefishyfishy
>>28015021
Aren't you dead?
>>28015021
Go back to being dead
>>28014902
dont be pro abortion.
because buying this abortion would be immoral
>>28014715
I've got one and their shit. The only good thing about them is they're easy to take care of.
>>28014715
Why not both?
>>28014715
I owned one
For coolness, they're cool as shit
It, however:
> costs more than an AR
> is less accurate than an AR
> less reliable than an AR
> heavier than an AR
> less options for attachments/mods than an AR
> sometimes shitty feel/break in period
Getting a used one, maybe.
>>28014791
>>28014737
this
the mini 14 is a meme gun
if you can find a used one with a folding stock and a couple mags for a few hundred bucks then sure. And I mean a few hundred, like 300ish.
Its basically a much shittier version of an M1A
If you like "sporter" rifles you would be better off getting a .223 vepr.
http://www.bangitammo.com/store/#!/Molot-VEPR-AK-47-223-REM-16-5/p/52502691/category=6511047
- Similar price to mini 14
- cheaper mags
- threaded barrel (just have to grind weld off of muzzle cap)
- accepts many ak parts
- can be converted to take ar mags
- probably more reliable
- possibly more accurate
>>28014937
NY. The only place you you can convert an AR into an unconverted Saiga.
>>28027139
>heavier than an AR
6.7-7lbs. Sounds like the weight of a lot of ar's
>costs more than an AR
Yes, it does cost more than a psa or bushman
>is less accurate than an AR
If you're comparing it to Ar rifles that are cheaper or at the same price point I'd argue not. Most cheapo ar's put out 1.5-2.5 moa at best with the majority of ammo found on shelves. The mini-14 will do about the same.
>Sometimes shitty feel/break in period
Not sure what you're referring to
>tl;dr
Any Ar costing as much or less than a ruger mini-14 isn't that much better
>>28014715
Don't do it op. I spent years trying to convince myself that it was a great rifle, they jam a lot and are not accurate. I even had one of the new ones and factory mags. I sold the piece of shit and got an AR. Haven't looked back.
>>28014937
... I kinda like this
>>28016603
What?
>>28014715
Mine never jams (as "never" as "never jams" can be) and it shoots 2 MOA out-of-the box, much like an out-of-the-box similarly priced AR. 581 series, wish I had waited for the 582 series though (drilled and tapped for a picatinny rail, solving a lot of aftermarket optics issues).
>anon why would you buy a Mini 14?
Because I like it. I like wood stocks, I wanted a small carbine in 5.56, and I live in a very nasty liberal New England state, where both ARs and AKs are banned. As for the other suggestions:
>>28027263
>thumbhole stock in addition to being banned by name
>>28016867
>likely to be banned during the next liberal panic, looks too scary to concerned soccer moms
