>Martini-Henry
>Rolling Block (military style)
Which of these two would /k/ buy? I plan on getting one and I also plan on shooting it, although it will be minimal.
>>27883260
My personal preference would be the rolling block.
Many different models out there with varying histories and chamberings.
>>27883260
Why not Martini-Enfield for ammo availability .303 british is on the expensive side but you can use modern factory hunting rounds.
>>27883365
Because I want a big-bore blackpowder rifle. I already have 2 lee-enfields.
>>27883385
Fair enough my vote is for the Martini-Henry then.
>>27883260
martini-henry
the original nigger killing gun
>not building your own falling-block
>>27883434
> not appreciating history
Martinis.
Once stirred; never shaken.
Get a Gras
>>27884269
>french
>>27883260
Martini is prettier IMO
Martini also has more history, on account of the shooting lots of black people etc.
>>27886374
Both look pretty amazing, but the ultra sleek and long rolling block is hard to beat. Both are better looking than any other european counterpart.
>>27886506
I like the symmetry of the Martini as it doesn't have a hammer, but still smothered in wood and such
Not that the rolling block is ugly in any way, I just like symmetry
How do you decock a Martini?
>>27886611
Pull down the lever, then hold down the trigger and bring the lever back up
>>27886574
You put my vague thoughts into words. Also don't care for the extra step in falling blocks
Are any of the old large caliber blackpowder bullets worth a fuck?
>>27886703
They killed things fine back then, will do the sam now.
>>27886703
No they all sucked. Literally it's like shooting a .357 out of a rifle
>>27886802
>>27886703
Martini: 480 gr lead, 1,350 ft/s, 1,943 ft·lbf
357 mag: 180 gr, 1,400 ft/s, 783 ft·lbf
5.56: 63 gr FMJBT, 3,070 ft/s, 1,325 ft·lbf
They didn't suck
>>27886826
Now post it at 400yds
>>27886843
But that would mean having to go upstairs and get ye olde martini book out
>>27886843
If it was noted that at the battle of khambula a zulu was shot between the eyes and the entire back of his head was gone (paraphrasing here but they said all that was left of his head was 'his face like a childs mask') it certainly wasn't meek
>>27886891
that doesnt even look like lead its so shiny
>>27886950
freshly baked
>>27886843
At 400 the MH will still have over 900 foot pounds of energy. Not quite double the energy of the .223 but close.
>>27883260
I'm in the process of buying a Pedersoli Sharps Quigley rifle. So excited to throw some 45-70 down range
Martini would be fun too, but there's just something about a quality Quigley rifle that gets me going
>>27887120
Quality they may be, but history they have not.
>>27887129
Very true. I'm considering a Pedersoli Springfield trap door instead, but it's a really tough call.
It's the child in me that just wants to be Quigley
>>27887174
Why not buy a Old Springfield trapdoor?
>>27887183
I'm all for a trapdoor because I adore the action more than a falling block action, it's just the availability in Canada and shit dollar that weighs in heavily on the decision.
I'm just staying away from an older antique rifle because I intend to shoot it regularly and I've had nothing but good luck with Uberti and Pedersoli over the years.
It's neck and neck between these two
http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=76026
http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75998
I dont get the prestige the Martini Henry gets compared to all the other rifles of the era.
>>27887502
It killed more black people than any other rifle of the era and has cool movies made about said killings
Have you never seen Zulu?
>>27887577
No, I dont own a television (by choice) kek
Martini's have such badass spike bayonets
>>27887620
Watch it online then faggot it's one of the greatest war films ever in history based on the true events at rorke's drift 1879
>>27887640
I got one a couple of weeks ago with scabbard well worth the £110
>>27887743
Mostly true,
shit happened, but some liberties were taken with the VC winners.
>>27887781
>Based on
I know Hook wasn't really a scumbag
I know the location isn't 100%
I know Bourne was actually like 19 when it happened
I know some scenes they didn't have enough martinis so they have mausers or something
Doesn't mean it isn't an ebin movie, personally it's my favourite war film of all time - I think it was voted Channel 4s 2nd favourite (1st being saving private Ryan)
>>27887743
Makes me want a Martini-Henry. Thank you Nepal for all your cheap Martinis.
>>27887827
They are British they were just sent to Nepal when 'obselite' for British use and were only re-discovered like 10 years ago (if that)
>>27887758
They certainly are impressive when fixed upon the rifle.
This is my Martini-Enfield Mk.I with P.1895 bayonet.
>>27887808
They were actually using the Lee-Enfield for rear troops.
Little out of place but still British.
>>27887864
Where's it from?
>>27887886
I could have sworn in the behind the scenes they said there were 1871 mausers cos they could fit the same style bayonets
>>27887895
M.E. Mk.I's were built on existing Martini-Henry Mk.III's. This one was made in 1881 by the London Small Arms Co according to the somewhat faint roll mark on the right side of the receiver. It was converted to a Martini-Enfield in 1895 and a new roll mark was added to the left side of the receiver.
>>27887935
Man, that is a strong action then. Damn shame no one is making falling block anymore, though understandable because it would be pricier than a break action while not having the follow up capability of a bolt. Though the Ruger No/1 I've heard are nice but they are a bit pricey for what they are and apparently QC isn't great.
>>27887886
Bromhead and Chard's Webley Mark VI's were anachronisms as well. They weren't developed until 1915 but look somewhat close to the service pistols of the day which were a mix of Tranter, Webley, Adams and Colt revolvers.
Here is a photo of an Adams MkIII revolver in .450 Adams.
>>27883260
>>Which of these two would /k/ buy?
>>which of these two
>>these two
>>two
>>post three guns
I picked up a Martini Henry at a bazaar in Afghanistan back in 2011. Anyone knowledgable on them able to tell me what I've got?
>>27888006
>>27887864
> Martini-Enfield Mk.I
The things I would do for one of these...
>>27888006
2
>>27888002
Are you purposefully being a faggot or just cant tell that there is 3 guns but only really 2 different rifles
>>27887886
>>27888006
APPEARS to be a genuine Martini Henry Mk. II (not even a Mk. I upgraded to Mk. II) which is one of the most popular ones due to the date - I would get my book to tell you what each of those proof markings mean but its 4am and I want to go to sleep - the only reason I'm still up is this martini circle-jerk
>>27883260
I have both. Martini Henry is better in all aspects.
>>27888006
got a full length pic? some of the afghan guns are legit, some are butchered and still others are Kyhber Pass copies.
i cant find a martini henry for a good deal
filthy "untouched" ones go for about $500-700
actual cleaned and functional ones go for $800-1000
>>27883260
Pic related, by Pedersoli. My dream gun.
>>27888030
there are three different rifles on this picture, look at all the mechanics and tell me i'm wrong. 2 are the "same" rifle made in different countries which literally makes then different based off of quality. 1 is a completely different model.
>>27888191
Thanks for the help... here are some more pics.
Yeah I remember seeing some of the khyber pass copies at the bazaar... I actually made friends with one of the vendors and asked him to find me the best examples of the rifles he could find... this is what he came up with. I'm fairly certain its legit. Let me know what you think!
I also picked up an Enfield Snyder conversion from him as well...
>>27888492
2
>>27888492
3
Didnt get a picture... but the barrel has good rifling
>>27888492
4
>>27888492
5
>>27888492
Certainly looks legit.
Markings are clear,level, and properly spaced lettering. Machining looks good.
Typically on Khyber pass rifles the crowns and lettering are off. The trigger guard will show poor machining as well as the thumb rest checkering.
>>27888232
"Untouched" just means they come as is. All you have to do is wipe off the gunk and it'll shoot just fine.
The ones you have to be careful with are the Francotte Martinis and Gahendras. Whether or not they're safe is a crapshoot.
>>27887808
>you will never stand shoulder-to-shoulder with your brothers and shoot niggers
>>27889118
Bit more to them than that.
There will most likely be pitting under the wood and a split wrist from the rusting of the stock bolt. The wood will probably be dried out and rotted in places requiring splicing in sound sections. Not all the peices may be there and some may be to deteriorated to use.
I figure this is a good enough thread to pose this question. Do any of you guys know what prices are fair for a Kentucky Long Rifle? I'm completely out of water on this and am seeing prices ranging from 400 to over a thousand. I'm not looking for a collector's piece, just something to shoot occasionally. Any help on these would be appreciated, what to look for when buying, marks to look for, things to avoid etc.
/k/ how does one into black powder rifles? What's a good starting rifle/musket? Should I get a new production rifle or look for an older one?
I really want a rolling block in 45-70 but all the repors dont have the full length wood like OPs pic.
Rolling block, .577 is near unobtanium unless you want to be making your own brass.
>>27889536
Depends on who made em and what lock they use.
Percussion Traditions Kits that still need to be put together will be around 2-300. finished rifles will be close to 500.
Flintlock kits go for 500ish depending on who is selling. complete rifles can be had for 700 and up.
if you get the nice ones like a pendersoli, prepare to pay over a grand.
>>27889667
>good starting musket/rifle
they make inline muzzleloaders that can be had for like 100 bucks. if you want a more traditional piece, Hawkens are usually around 250.
I got into black powder by buying a colt navy repro. still my favorite handgun.
>>27889667
Unless you want the convenience of shooting cartridges, then its probably best to get a .45-70 as reloading bits and bobs are pretty easy to find
Next is .577 Snider as when you move onto the martini they share many bits of equipment, but snider is easier to actually manufacture - there's even a 'poor mans way' of loading it just using ordinary shotgun shells on YouTube
>>27888600
not to mention the backwards "E"s
>>27888492
yea looks like a great rifle. you sure brought back a winner. come by saint louis and we can shoot it. I have ammo.
>>27888299
I'm gettin one too, bud.
It's quite the dive to take, especially in Canadian pesos, but it really is the kind of gun your grand kids will be shooting with some day. It's worth having at least one quality heirloom to pass on
>>27890563
Get a svt40 instead
>>27890708
Already have one. It's not great
They are incredibly affordable though
>>27890563
I always wanted one because I kinda want to get into CAS Long Range Rifle Side matches, but you're 100% right about owning an heirloom-grade firearm.
If my dad told me I'd inherit one when he died, I'd fucking shit my pants
>Martini-Henry
>Rolling Block (military style)
>Henry
>Rolling
You rang?
OP here, I just won this how did I do?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=521326586
>>27891961
God fucking damn it, fuck you I was the first bidder. I was tracking this auction for a fucking week and thought I had it in the bag. Congratulations on your bullshit singleshot that has unobtanium ammo. ;_;
>>27891961
anything below $700 is a steal anon good job
>>27892035
lol sucks to suck
>>27892191
>>27892035
I thought it was a good deal since it included the bayonet also, which is $120 or so. Only thing that sucks is now I have to order brass, dies and molds. :(
>>27892351
A Lee press costs about $120 and the dies are about $80-90 (cheapest I could find was here http://www.titanreloading.com/577450-martini-henry-3-die-steel but going to ebay might be cheaper because of shipping) .
It's important to note the cheaper presses aren't going to work unfortunately. You need one that can accept the Large Series dies which are 1 1/4-12 threading while the standard Lee size is 7/8-14 which the budget ones are solely designed for.
Can't seem to find bullets but moulds are about $80-90 (cheapest being on ebay but without handles) and you pretty much need it for bullets or it'll be about a dollar for them alone. Speaking of ebay there are chamber adapters that shoot .45 but it isn't very accurate apparently without doing some weird things with heeled bullets and the such
Cases as were mentioned are available at [email protected] for about $45 for a box of 25.
So total you are looking at $330 startup costs and that is without going into powder and primers, lead you could find if you look around. Pretty expensive but with something like Martini Henry it'll start paying for itself within 70 or so rounds.
>>27892606
The Lee Classic Cast, Hornady LnL, and the RCBS Rock Chucker will all take the Lee M-H dies.
RCBS and other companies make the dies too but tend to be in oddball threading.
Making cases is pretty easy once you get the knack. 24 gauge brass is also fairly cheap and plentiful or .577 basic/NE can be used. Some brass is available but tends to be expensive since it is really only made in Australia.
>>27892656
There was a guy in the PNW making them but apparently he's tapped out for a bit.
>>27892678
From what I know he was using 24 gauge brass.
It's a bit thin and holds too much powder but it works. I still have another box to convert myself. Nice thing is rejects get trimmed and turned into Snider cases.
I also have a roll of brass sheeting. Planning on making some mandrels and rolling my own foil cases for a more antique feel.
>>27891961
Lol thats a Khyber copy
>>27892852
>Kyber
>having proper rifling
Are you retarded?
>>27890315
>>27889945
Thanks for the help guys.
How many reloads can I get on each case? I am hoping to get at least 20 from each one
>>27892982
Depends.
Soft loads and proper brass care with annealing you could probably get 20 from the thin shotshell brass. Purpose made brass will last longer.
>>27893021
Well I just ordered 20rds of Bertam Brass (insanely expensive but I want to shoot the rifle the day I get it). So I hope those last at least 20 reloads. I am looking for a mold but all of them seem too expensive, I got a mold for my .41 swiss and 9mm for like 30ish for each. The only MH molds I can find are around $130
>>27893043
Bertram should last.
Depending on bore you can use 45-70 molds.
I'm currently paper patching the Lyman 457125 for 500 grain bullets over 85 of blackpowder.
>>27890454
>http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=521326586
Thanks! Would be awesome to shoot some day...
Still would like to have someone see it in person to verify its safe before I shoot it
>I also plan on shooting it, although it will be minimal.
I read criminal at first glance and had a glorious vision.
So what is the recoil like on these things?
>>27887743
>>27893215
Surprisingly managable, if the hard wood/steel buttplate doesn't bother you
They're fairly long and heavy rifles, so they take the recoil quite well
>>27889935
Cool, thanks for the tips.
Why are paper patched bullets so sexy?
>>27887009
Get your freshly baked lead here, only 50 cents for a bakers dozen. Guaranteed to put your zulus down fast*.
*not certified for use in the state of California
>>27893215
Absolutely insane.
If I could force 2 guns to make love and have an adorable child, it would be a Martini and a SMLE
>>27895459
So like a Martini-enfiled?
>>27895531
Ayyyyyyyy
>>27888492
How were you able to bring it back? I wasn't certain if troops were allowed to take bringbacks home because of liberalism and muh feels.
>>27896126
As far as I know antiques aren't considered firearms in the US, so you could probably just ship it back. I don't know if it's different for soldiers though.
i really would like to buy one of these guns
the reloading process is a big tedious but i enjoy reloading so i think it will be fun
>>27896126
had to get a letter from the ATF and have it notarized by the base JAG to prove it was pre 1898 to have it shipped home via the USPS as an antique firearm... kind of a pain in the ass... took about a month to get the paperwork sorted
>>27896956
If you like to tinker, Atlanta Cutlery has some rather rough but mainly functional ones for $180.
ginsboy has a very nice set of vids regarding restoration.
>>27897088
The ones they have for $180 are Francotte Martinis and not safe to shoot. They're Nepalese made, unlike the British made ones which are around $500.
>>27897123
Ah, I didn't look into the Gahendras well enough.
The main problem seems to be inconsistent bore size but there are people who fire it after checking with a gunsmith. Though when British made can be had for 300 more you are right in getting those instead.
Oddly enough Forgotten Weapons picked one up with a messed up barrel with several posts regarding plans to sleeve the barrel but apparently dropped it without a word.
>>27897888
The Gahendras are hit and miss, but in general they are better made than the Francotte Martinis. Very few of those are in shootable condition, while many of the Gahendras can handle reduced loads with the proper sized bullet.
>>27897088
martinis are about 650 i think on there
>>27898017
They're around $600 on IMA.
>>27898017
You can get then Cleaned up on gunbroker for 450ish to 550ish
>>27897958
Its not worth the risk IMO
>>27883260
A rolling block wad my first gun, so I've kinda taken them for granted. Mine is a military one in 50-70. They are fine guns, and recoil is mild.
>>27900961
Is 50-70 easy to find?
>>27897088
Didn't realize there were a bunch of rifles imported from Nepal. Is that all there is or are they still importing?
>>27904119
After rifles became 'obsolete' for British use they'd be given to commenwealth/volunteer troops
thousands were sent to Nepal & India etc. in the 1880s or 90s and chucked in an arsenal - only to be 'rediscovered' about 10 years ago and brought to the States to be sold to people like us
>>27886826
Where do I get ammo for martini-henry for a decent price?
>>27905621
No where, either you go into it reloading or accept several dollars a round.
>>27905621
you can buy ammo but your gonna pay out da ass for it
i mean even the old boxes of kynoch goes for 50 a pop, just 10 round
>>27905690
Allen's armory sells it for $2 a pop but it
>a bitch to reload
>brittle
>suffers from *click* *bang* on almost every round
>>27905750
yeah that cordite has a delay
ive actually replaced the contents with black powder and had decent success
>>27894891
Known to cause cancer in the state of California.
>>27905750
That sounds like a great deal for 577/450. Do you know what kind of primers the brass takes?
>>27907505
Large pistol primers
