Japanese is derived from Chinese
They can't pronounce their "r's"
Explain this!
>>14197675
ANGER is a FIRE-y emotion.
>>14197675
It was loaned from the "j"-like pronunciation of Mandarin "R", or from varieties of Middle Chinese that had "n" in that place.
>>14198035
No Japanese sounds were borrowed from Mandarin. Mandarin is a bastardized language pigeon of Manchu and Chinese, rather than a pure Chinese language. The Japanese onyomi come from the languages of different ancient Chinese dynasties such as Wu, Tang, Han. Nothing from the Qing at all.
Some of the Japanese kanji words sound like hokkien.
>>14197675
>Japanese is derived from Chinese
>>14197675
>Japanese is derived from Chinese
That's not true
>They can't pronounce their "r's"
>Explain this!
They are two completely different languages from different language families.
>>14202838
certain (actually, lot of) words were derived from Chinese.
Question is rather, which Chinese?
Late Ming/Qing-era Mandarin or Ancient Chinese?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vHa_JZ_iM
Because ancient Chinese sounds like something out of Tolkien's novels. And they actually rolled the 'r' like no tomorrow.
>>14205013
Kanji on-yomis are classified among lingusts into sounds from the Tang dynasty (Tou-On), sounds from the Wu dynasty (Gou-On) and sounds from the Han dynasty (Kan-On). Since the peak of the Sino-Japanese cultural exchange happened at the time of the Tang dynasty, most of the sounds belong to that era.
English is derived from French.
English-speakers can't pronounce a proper guttural r.
Explain this!
They all look the same.
>>14197675
>Japanese is derived from Chinese
>>14205137
Looks Okinawan tbh fam
>>14205116
A guttural R is fucking shit-tier. 巻き舌 is best R.
>>14201564
>Wu
Oh, you mean the Baiyue state? Those half Yue mongrels?
>>14197675
"氣" is a traditional Chinese character which is used in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau.
In Communist China, the simplified Chinese character "气" is used.
>>14197675
>japanese is derived from chinese
O doggo
>>14206701
t. Don't know japanese
>>14206802
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonic_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages
You're gay and your bait is gay
>>14206957
Not him, but he probably meant it like how profoundly English has been influenced by French that you could say it derives from French. It may be dumb to word it like that, but to autistically argue semantics pretending (I hope) that you don't get it is just as bad or worse.
>>14202476
Shanghainese and other Wu dialects often sound similar to Japanese dialects as well. Min and Wu dialects have had fewer sound shifts than Mandarin. There's quite a bit on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Japanese_vocabulary#Phonetic_correspondences_between_Modern_Chinese_and_on.27yomi
