How's immigration in Spain? I've found conflicting information:some say 14% percent of Spain are immigrants others claim its as high as 25%
What's the truth? Also generally are they beneficial or not?
>>62248730
It was a lot lot worse back in 2007, now there are remains of South Americans and Romanians and Moroccans that refuse to live
>What's the truth? Also generally are they beneficial or not?
They were more benefitial back in the day when there was "no crisis", now they usually work for the cheapest jobs competing with young people. Moroccans mainly leech from the benefits.
>>62248730
>What's the truth? Also generally are they beneficial or not?
yes, we have low birth rate and we need it.
>>62249139
>>62249231
So they are decent people then?
>>62248730
YOu really cant know the immigration situantion of a country. We have lot of nationalized immigrants considered as spaniards. This also happens in other countries as France and UK. If you want to know how is really the immigration problem in a country, is better to go there and judge by yourself.
I think that we have arround 15% of non-racial spaniards. Countries from central-western Europe would easily have between 30-40%.
>>62249371
>So they are decent people then?
yes, only romanians gypsies and moroccans with crime are a problem here, the rest is pretty ok.
>>62249231
We dont need more population, Spain and the world is overpopulated. We need to reduce the population urgently (pic related).
Also, why do we need immigrant populatio in a country with 20% of unemployment rate? Do you know that immigrant population has much higer unemployment and criminal ratre than native population?
And finally, if we change spaniards for immigrants, in time, Spain will stop being Spain. One country is not only a flag but his people and culture, if you make both dissaperar, then, the country dissapears too.
>>62249433
Whatv about bades Dominicans and their sootings, machete fights?
http://www.madridiario.es/433203/cinco-detenidos-pelea-entre-bandas-latinas
http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2016/07/15/5788d5db22601d56148b4660.html
Even chinese population causes troubles
http://ultimahora.es/sucesos/ultimas/2016/06/19/199426/varios-chinos-katanas-machetes-protagonizan-pelea-pere-garau.html
>>62249519
What about based* damn
>>62249477
who pay your future pension?
retarded
>>62249139
Non-gypsy Romanians are top tier immigrants, as are all eastern Europeans. Thank God we dodget the Islam bullet for the most part.
We also have shitloads of Chinks, who are not problematic but tend to form ghettos and not establish any ties with locals (basically yellow Joos).
>>62248730
Latinos can get the spanish citizenship after a couple of years living here legally so it's hard to tell because many of them have two citizenships.
>Also generally are they beneficial or not?
No, immigration en masse like we had in a short period is a cancer and we will have issues with the second and further generations.
Why the fuck would anyone mobe to Spain, it's poor as shit
spain ---> bin
>>62249563
>who pay your future pension?
Not the horde of useless sudacas and moroccans.
>>62249572
>Thank God we dodget the Islam bullet for the most part.
11M says otherwise and after judging by what's happening in France we are utterly fucked as well.
>>62249607
Tell that to the 250,000 fuckers that came here.
>>62249623
ok go out of you room, fucking kid and enjoy the reality
>>62249643
11M was orchestrated from outside the country.
>>62249620
>>62249607
t. Buttblasted Amerindios
>>62249693
spain --> bin
>>62249647
I'm in the office and I work in a law firm, I see the kind of people that will pay my pension every day, thank you.
>>62249623
te decepcionaría saber que lo mismo piensan los británicos de los españoles en su país,hay lmao.
España necesita inmigración si no quieres ser viejo y no tener un puto duro
>>62249721
Do you want to be my girlfriend tonight, Argie-kun?
>>62249743
Como comprenderás me importa una mierda lo que piensen los ingleses de los friegaplatos.
About 11% of the population are immigrants, they all came suddenly during the past decade to fuel the housing bubble.
- 37% are from South America. They are ugly, do shitty jobs for even shittier wages and cause some crime, but at least they speak Spanish (well, sort of) and are culturally western/catholic. I'd say they're a drag and are only here at the convenience of employers to drop wages.
- 21% from Western and Northern Europe (mostly retirees and a few expats too I guess). They're good because they bring foreign money, but although they don't cause serious crime they are pretty uncivilized (especially the British and Germans), like barbarians but with money.
- 18% from Eastern Europe. Romanian gipsies are subhuman garbage that deserve death, the rest are ok.
- 15% moors. They don't cause as much trouble as you'd expect, at most they sell hash. Many have bazaars.
- 5% niggers. I've met two kinds of niggers: the street-selling annoying nigger (garbage) and blacks that come here from Equatorial Guinea or Senegal (former colonies) or Western countries, who are pretty much Spaniards with black skin.
- 3% Chinese. They work hard, don't cause trouble and keep to themselves. However some bypass laws like selling alcohol to minors and they mostly just sell Chinese crap. Yellow Jews.
Overall I'd say Spain would be better without any of them.
>>62249607
CHI
>>62250629
>beaner accusing me of being a beaner
Adorable.
holy shit I just google it that there are even 10k czechs in spain, they have even their own school
fuck them
>>62250876
There's an enormous probability that you eat beans more often than me, Joseph Fernández
HOLA PEDRO
DOS CEVERSA, SILVER PLATE
>>62250964
>fuck them
I would. :^)
>>62251059
green are girls
>>62249607
Why are americans so retarded?
>>62250571
South americans are ok, only their kids are Literally retarded
>>62251369
He is right
>>62251430
t. Emerson Winston Morales
>>62251229
¿and the red?
>>62250571
Very informative anon, thank you
>>62248730
We lost immigrant population the 25% comes from butt hurt right-winger that don`t understand we are no longer 1 world and the immigration will be disappear. It’s like the Polish who believe that somebody want to go to his shit country
>>62251973
This.
>>62251229
What does the map represent?
>>62250571
Senegal was never a Spanish colony and only a tiny minority comes from guinea kys m8
What are argie immigrants like? Do they make fun of your accent?
>>62252219
I have a few argie friends and they're p cool. Some friendly banter every now and then. Argentinean accent is p cool anyways.
>>62248730
Here is the thing. I own a property in South-East Spain because it's cheap as fuck and I hope to make a profit off it in the future. I know a lot of other middle-clasd Algerians who do as well. It's a nice place to go on vacation but there is no way I would actually live there because there are simply no shekels. So if you consider us 'immigrants' to Spain as well as british and German retired people) that makes it 25 otherwise it's around 10 per cent.
>>62250571
>37% are from South America. They are ugly, do shitty jobs for even shittier wages and cause some crime, but at least they speak Spanish
Spain is being invaded by Native Americans, my sides.
>>62252219
We nake fun of theirs, but were cool. Spain is pretty welcoming of foreigners, really; in one of my groups of friends there are people to make for a Benetton ad and, quite frankly, no one gives a shit ever.
>>62252371
>moor
>south-east
Nice. Stay in your caliphate.
As long as you are far from the north it's ok
>>62252383
only 5th? really need to step it up
>>62252383
Ninguém mandou o homossexualismo ser uma epidemia ali. Agora as taxas de natalidade dele estão baixíssimas.
>>62252493
We're good. I would rather go to southern France than northern Spain. Also
>mfw the antique dealer in my Valencia neighborhood thinks I am from Madrid and we chat shit about Gypsies and South Americand together.
>>62252219
Few Argies here,
Por alguna razón muchas personas no os consideran latinos
>>62252493
I wholeheartedly agree with my Portubro.
>>62252682
Com certeza argentino.
>>62252698
That's not the spirit with which you will solve la crisis finaciera, Paco
>>62252776
it's not a crisis, it's the inherent working of the eurozone and the solution is either fiscal union or getting out
>>62252635
>I am from Madrid and we chat shit about Gypsies and South Americand together
Moors vs Native Americans, who would win?
>>62249563
Generally your children.
>>62252843
Well it all started with the 2008 financial crisis, no? Yeah something is really fucked up when a young spaniard loses his job because of how the money of some retirees from Florida got managed. Things are starting to look better since 2014 though. I hope you will make it.
actually there are more chinese than any other and basically i'd say all the country is owned by china
>>62252383
>dat Romania
Holy shit we're invading Europe, but sadly many gypsies are returning to Romania which fuckin sucks, keep them there please, life is better without their kind
>>62252864
They are burning Portuguese flag for what purpose?
How many of you are unemployed
>>62252776
I'm not solving shit, frankly, although the crisis has not been financial in nature for over 5 years. While recovering from the crisis is not an easy to meet goal, I'll be satisfied if we avoid Kebabizing the country in the process. All others are welcome.
>>62252371
so middle class algerians can buy houses in spain? what? your average wage is 250 euro
how is that possble?
>>62253118
I was making 35k until I quit my job last year.
>>62253187
Why'd you quit
>>62248730
Spain is getting tons of ugly and short Native Americans because they are massive homossexuals nowadays
Ill give you my point of view:
-S-Americans: Usually cause no troubles, theyre pretty much the same as us but darker. Still, some form gangs and may be very violent, but still the best kind of inmigration with the chinks. Theyre nice ppl too and some of them work really fucking hard.
-Gypsies: Utterscum, but theyre not worse than our "national" gypsies. Thanks god I guess.
-East Europe: Decent people, my neighbors are from the caucasus and are very very kind. Also they are not degenerate.
-Chinks: Good business they run, causing 0 direct problems. They sell the cheapest you can find, still indirectly affects the locals business. Dont really care because I like them.
-Negros: From excolonies the majority. Had no troubles with them but kinda annoying selling shit on the streets.
-Moors: They form ghettos. Not usually problematic but still fucking islamists and they dont want at all to mold with the society.
-Pakis: Decent people I guess. They smell bad but run 24/7 stores and are cheap.
>>6225311
Hey, the situation has improved a lot recently...
>>62253308
>they're pretty much the same as us but darker
M8 they are from Ecuador, Peru or Bolivia, so they're pretty much full Native Americans >>62252383
>>62253312
Meant to quote >>62253118
>>62253357
Well yeah. I was not speaking at all about physical appearance.
>>62253036
There's only a few chinese.
>>62253240
I hated my job (finance industry, big 4 company); since I'm still young and I don't mind living with my parents, I thought I'd go back to uni and study something I actually enjoy with the money I'd saved. Luckily, being first of my class means I get paid to study, although I did do some part time work as an English teacher earlier this year, mostly preparing kids for Cambridge First.
Now I've time to laze around, shitpost and make music/write, I could hardly be happier. In 4 years time, we'll see.
>>62253146
Not only that but our currency isn't even supposed to be convertible. Most people/companies don't really declare how much they make to the tax administration and everything related to trade jobs and shit are done without any registration whatsoever. So it is literally impossible to know what the average salary is. http://www.auraree.com/real-estate-news/chinese-algierians-among-top-buyers-spanish-real-estate/
>>62249563
Lets suppose immigrants are all young adults. How that is gonna help if they all are unemployed?
>>62252383
Wow, why so many ecuadorians in Spain? Ecuador has 1/3 of our population yet twice the amount of immigrants
>>62252371
Let me guess, in Alicante?
>>62249477
THIS
>>62249563
t. Salty immigrant
>>62253737
Nah Valencia. I unironically avoided Alicante because it has too many algerians.
>>62252864
Why are they burning Spanish flag in fucking Spain? Are they retarded? Also, Portuguese flag?
>>62253806
>Spain
>>62249563
the moors that they work a 20% being generous., ajajjajaja
eres un subnormal
>>62253788
Well we even have some street signs in arabic so it's understandable.
Do Dominicans in Spain breed like rabbits like they do here?
>>62253879
They take machetes and something like that
>>62253806
this is not spain man, jajaa
>>62253879
I'm pretty sure Native Americans have 7 children per family in Spain
>>62253879
yes. all sudacas in general breed like rabbits. moors too.
>>62253785
OUT,
>>62253936
Que asco me das, por que eres tan mierda de racista si ahora en España no viene ni cristo
>>62253994
>buaa buaa racista
Pégate un tiro, puto trisómico.
>>62253877
Yeah but I think that's more for tourists from Gulf states who are very significant in terms of revenue. Business idea that I an already working on with a spaniard friend: establish an agency to help those with NIE procedures, bank account, acquiring properties.
>>62253994
>no viene ni cristo
si pero de los 6 millones que hay no se va ni uno. tu si que me das asco, con tu multiculturalismo de mierda. vete a vivir a un barrio de moros y despues me cuentas lo buenos que son y las pensiones que te van a pagar, puto retrasado mental.
>>62254092
Que puto crió si se están pirando incluido los españoles nadie quiere vivír en este shithole
>>62254076
It's because of the ferry towards Algiers we have here I think.
>>62254198
Oh yeah there's that too. To Oran especially (second city here). It's like 200km and super cheap. You from Alicante? How do you see the real estate evolving mate? What were prices like when it was the highest in the past?
>>62254457
Yes, but I have no idea. I live with my parents and haven't really been looking for flats.
>>62253994
Vuelve a casa Wilson
>>62249139
>Moroccans that refuse to live
>refuse to live
So they're suicidal? :)
>>62254166
no querras vivir tu anormal.
mucho me joden estos auto-haters que se creen que tienen la verdad absoluta y hablan como s fuesen la voz del pueblo.
pues a mi me gusta españ, no me quiero ir y me parece un pais maravilloso. si tu te quieres pirar, pues puerta y a fregar platos a londres y compartir piso con 4 pakis.
>>62254751
*teleports behind u*
Allah uh Akhbar
*explodes*
>>62254542
>I live with my parents
>t. Paco, 36 years old
Jk, It's a very comfy aspect of Spanish culture IMO. I too am 31 years and go live with my mom when I am not working abroad.
>>62254819
To be fair I'm only 21. Also unemployed.
>immigration to 40% unemployment country
Are you retarded? Also I wonder why don't Spaniards emigrate massively abroad.
>>62254951
It's 52%, actually.
>>62255008
19% actually and droping fast
>>62250964
Lol. There are 100r Russians in Spain despite we are not even in EU.
>>62255098
>and droping fast
as fast as people leaving and retiring
>>62254951
>40%
false, its about 67%
>>62254751
Refuse to leave*
>>62253146
Our middle class buys houses in Spain too and our average salary is 300-400$ as well. There are always rich people in any country, even the poor ones. Middle class here in Russia is different from European. We call midlle class people who are sufficiently richer than the rest: who have more than one car, travel abroad every year, bought their own flat. Their average salary would be ~1000$ so it's possible for them to buy shit abroad.
>>62255614
You can't buy a remotely decent house in a coastal zone making €14k a year, much less $14k. We have heaps of rich Russians spending several thousand euros in a couple hours' shopping here in Mardid, though, and dumping a couple millions on real estate.
>>62255188
Seriously, why don't you guys leave? You are extremely overpopulated and I guess the best option for Spaniard is to move to Latin America or Canada/Australia.
>>62255796
>You are extremely overpopulated
What? Most of Spain is empty.
>>62255796
>overpopulated
>move to Latin America
Is that what RT news tells you?
>>62255750
Our richfags love Spain, that's true. Not oligarchy type, ultrarich prefer UK, USA or Dubai. Rich people often buy estate in Spain. Especially our criminality. Our mafia fucking loves Spain.
>>62255886
It's like calling Russia underpopulated. I was in Spain (Catalonia) and most of it was fucking desert and areas near cities were densely populated. Here in Russia we have such a thing too. Most of our land is just impossible to live in due to shitty climate.
>>62255894
Dude, looks like they have jobs. Dude, I've read about some Portuguese who moved to Angola because of unemployment. Go to your former colonies. They are usually developing coun tries with jobs and you have no problems with language.
Also Chile/Argentina don't look populated really.
>>62255614
M8 I make 2000€ per month and I don't even think of buying a house.
>>62249563
Unemploy thieves immigrats for sure, you genius.
>>62256104
>Go to your former colonies.
Yeah, that's why we have tons of unemployed sudacas here. Pro tip: being unemployed in Spain is better than having a job in South America.
>>62255098
>fast
>fast
>fast
>fast
because people is leaving faggot.
thx EU!!! and Germany !!!!
>>62257514
>being unemployed in Spain is better than having a job in South America.
sure? -.-
>>62249743
Y cuando no tengamos recursos por la superpoblación, entonces quien nos paga la pensión.
Y vuelvo a recordarte, que si no hy mercado laboral, la inmigración desde tu mismo punto de vista puramente materialista (obviando diversidad y cultura) sigue siendo negativa. Tenemos un 20% de excedente de mano de obra. Así que dejate del argumento progre de los pagapensiones, ni nos las pueden pagar, ni quieren. Son chupasangres, la mitad no tiene empleo ni lo necesita, punto.
>>62255886
You know, you need sources to live in a place, this is why dessert is so empty.
We havent got either, natural sources or jobs.
>>62255902
And your gold-diggers.
>>62257888
>gold-diggers.
>spanish
>rich
nah
>>62257608
Do you want to get machete'd by Nelson Junior Vasques just because he likes your shoes?
>>62257608
Paguitas, it is the answer to your question.
Spanish workers work to pay benefits to young immigrants unemployed that do nothing in their daily routine. They use this money to live+have childrens so they can have more children than the stressed spanish families working hard for the 50% of the money (the other 50% are taxes that includes politicians salary and benefits).
This is how you make the native population decline and be substituted
>>62257919
Have you ever been in the Almeria's greenhouses?Have you ever met their owners?
There are much more rich men in Spain than you believe, tons of them only in Andalusia.
>>62248730
Half of Spanish men are gay. This is why their fertility rates are so low.
I just hope spain is still there before I visit one year.
>>62249563
t. sociata
>>62258328
don´t come here , fucking american bastard
>>62258906
Por que me odias pendejo? No te hable como un pendejo.
Why the hell are the beneficials in Southern European countries such as Spain,Greece or Portugal as high as in Germany or Scandinavia
This is bullshit
>>62259544
Chi
>>62258328
Shit, too late!
>>62259740
Because you pay for them.
