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Czechia:3
>Poortugal
>Moldova
What the fuck?
>>62212081
I think they burned down national parliament recently
wow, Romania and Bulgaria are not nearly as poor as I thought
>>62212178
Why don't Czechoslovakia reunite again
you're even economically the same at this point
>>62213145
The split wasn't really about economy but because there was no longer any reason to stay one country.
>Slovakia
Bit surprised, tbqh.
Always thought they were kinda poor. At least way worse than Slovenia. Now they are above Poortugal and not that far behind Italy.
>>62213277
Nobody knows anything about Slovakia and when people hear the name, they picture something like Ukraine
>>62213381
Well, I have been there.
Shit happens yo. War, political instability drives investments out of the country.
>>62213632
> War, political instability drives investments out of the country.
>>62211848
>poorer than potato niggers
>>62215517
>poorer than codniggers
>>62215691
>poorer than rabid energy drink drinkers
>>62211848
fucking snowniggers
>>62211848
fucking oilniggers
>>62211848
Why is a part of Africa in Europe?
>>62211848
all this eastern europe countries are experiencing a economic bubble.
Finland becaming shit tier
the devastating effects of communism
>>62213145
Czechs are more in favor of renaming back to Bohemia.
>>62211848
Why is Slovenia so much higher?
>>62211848
>Czech Republic higher than Spain
Czechia confirmed for Western Europe
>>62211848
>moldova
>literal proof whites can be as bad as Africans
>>62211848
>Ireland
>$56000
how much of that GDP money comes from all the corporations using Ireland as a tax haven?
>>62216370
No, they're not
>>62216558
>308€ minimum wage
congratulations czech republic
>>62211848
Cut that number in half because 50% goes to the government
>>62216663
and the lowest unemployment in the EU
>>62216370
That would make my dick hard
>>62216608
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21702232-why-gdp-growth-26-year-mad-not-full-shilling
They literally had 26% GDP growth in 2015.
Economists all around the world are like WTF.
This is what happens when Apple moves all its money to your country for financial reasons, yet doesn't move any jobs or production there.
Your government gets a 5% profit tax rate, but literally no domestic production.
It is a tax haven.
Most economists put its GDP growth at 5.5% in 2015. GDP per capita is about $50,000 (which is still rich).
>>62216611
says right here dummy
>>62216755
>low wages
>low unemployment
do you get it?
>>62216766
>Few economists take the revised figure seriously. “It’s complete bullshit,” says Colm McCarthy, an economist at University College Dublin. “It’s Alice in Wonderland economics.” But while the 26.3% figure may distort economic reality, it has real political consequences.
Somehow even China has more accurate statistics.
>>62216766
it also creates an huge economic bubble...
>>62211848
>PPP
>>62216840
Yep.
Watch what happens when the world economy has another 2009.
Ireland had to default, get a huge EU bailout, an IMF bailout, GDP dropped 20% in three years, and 23% of Ireland was unemployed.
Competitive business tax rates are bullshit. There should be a Western or EU standard at 20%. But that'll never happen.
>>62216987
>There should be a Western or EU standard at 20%
There should be. This is a race to the bottom.
>>62216806
No, not neccessarily.
>>62216987
2008*
Yeah,the EU should make a standard business tax rate for everyone.our government is trying to call chinese companies here
>>62216987
It peaked at 15%
>>62217103
Well that's the official rate which I consider bullshit.
I look at the U12 rate.
Either way, Ireland 2009-2013 was hemorrhaging Irish faster than the Potato Crisis because the economy was so shit.
If it wasn't for the bailouts they'd be in the gutter still. They literally are parasites to the Western world who undercut us.
>>62217094
2008 was the US financial crisis. The World recession hit in 2009.
>>62217077
Yep. The EU at least. It's not like America is going to undercut you guys because we are already at 35%.
FUCK YOU ENGLAND yay \o/
(I don't care about the others)
I'm gonna buy an english flag with my extra 50$ and burn it.
>>62217247
Absolutely. What we have now is simply not viable.
>>62217199
U12? Do you mean U6?
>>62216806
You guys should try that sometime.
>>62216501
>>62216501
all the Yugo industry was there
>>62216663
Minimum wage is completely irrelevant though. Singapore has a minimum wage of $0 are you going to call them poor?
>>62217520
Yes
>>62217520
I doubt it's zero, more like they probably have per-industry minimum wage bargaining instead of a national minimum
>>62217604
singapore is a microstate,it doesn't have a functioning economy
>>62217647
Germany had no minimum wage until like a year ago.
>>62217647
that doesn't look like a dysfunctional economy to me, Joao
>>62217647
It has a population of 5.4 mil
That's not a microstate
>>62217647
>Poortugal talking about not having a functional economy
Kek
>>62217604
Wiki says they only have minimum wages set for cleaners and security guards, the rest is free game.
>>62217733
Singapore is a city-state though
>>62217741
yes I understand but for example Italy doesn't have a minimum wage either, that doesn't mean you can get paid 10 euro a month
>>62216806
No, pls explain
>Croatia will be worse off than Romania and Bulgaria soon
>>62217680
they had minimum wage but it was different depending on the syndicates
>>62217699
Tell me where is their potato industry?fruits,textile,etc?Their economy is not very diverse...
>>62217792
what kind of a nightmare world do you live in where that's possible
>>62217828
>Singapore is, to use a word its leaders favour, an “exceptional” place: the world’s only fully functioning city-state; a truly global hub for commerce, finance, shipping and travel
http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21657606-continue-flourish-its-second-half-century-south-east-asias-miracle-city-state
>all these low GDP betas
you are all laughable
>>62217790
Do you know what that means?Your prices are cheaper and because of that you have an higher purchasing power,so what?
Yuropoor reporting here
>>62217782
If the industry generally isn't underpaying people at a retarded level then there's literally no need for a minimum wage.
>>62215862
that should be a point of honour
>>62217828
You know not all economies have to be based on exports? This isn't the 17th century.
>his """"""""country"""""""" has a 5 figure gdp/capita
top jej
>>62217932
in a perfect market I agree but that implies limitless freedom of movement for labor and a strong demand for workers.
>>62218003
>>62217878
you can turn off your proxy now, Moldovan
>>62217970
tell me which economies aren't,without using switzerland as an example
>nobody mentions luxembourg almost being 2x as rich as norway
>>62218079
>tax haven with a population of 500 people is rich
no shit
>>62218012
thing is, if minimum wage is above what a business can afford, theyll fire people rather than give them a raise
much of the time minimum wages are useless
>>62217520
If you're not a rich chink or some cancerous expat than life is pretty shitty there. It's a far more unequal country than the US and the entire political system is geared towards rimming foreigners, so no political dissebt or trade unions.
>>62218114
if minimum wage is above what a business can afford then it can't fulfill its basic functions and therefore should fail or not start at all
there are thousands of arguments for and against minimum wage it's a huge topic
>>62218056
UK for example. They are a net importer and most of their economy is literally finance.
>>62218012
Well legally you can pay an engineer 20k annually but in the real world that doesn't happen.
>>62218114
no it's not,it prevents huge wage differences
>>62218188
This mindset is why you're called Poortugal
>his country has minimum wage
top kek, are you against free market?
>>62218187
we're talking minimum wage so people like burger flippers and janitors, not engineers
>>62218220
Italy you're a slave to the worker unions I lived there for 6 years. You don't have a free market either
>>62218218
>nigger economy
>>62218220
>italy
>le recession
>>62218278
what would a blugarian gipsy know about work, let alone worker unions?
>>62211848
Yet Luxembourg still manages to syphon more EU money than countries like Slovenia or Bulgaria
>>62218372
you're the one with a 40% youth unemployment lad, you tell me
>>62218363
joke's on you, our GDP growth is bigger than yours
>>62218047
>27100$
>>62218405
EU institutions are based there. That's why.
>Ukraine
are they white?
>>62218372
>>62218434
I worked with an Italian guy who was abjectly terrible at his job, and kept screaming at people, but they couldn't sack him because he kept going to the union and threatening to sue for bullying.
>>62216840
Well,like here,they tax labour instead of Capital jewgains,so the average Irishman isn't getting a lot out of this.
>>62218445
no you're not
>>62218434
unemployment is the rate of those who look for a job, yours is 0 because nobody even tries to do anything remotely productive. Wherever I see gipsies they have always cars and caravans with bulgarian plates.
>>62218562
no shit, why wouldn't we send them to you? They're your problem now Gianni
>>62218556
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/portugal/gdp-growth
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/heApwOA.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>62218484
No we are slavs
>>62218602
>them
as if you're not all the same. My romanian friends have told me many things about your country.
>>62218678
>My romanian friends
the ones from the picture?>>62218562
>>62218562
I see they're burning a nice wood fire,Are they going to cook the baby on the coals?
>>62218708
You tell us gyppo
>>62218606
sigh...
>>62218405
I honestly hate simplistic people like you who just look at MONEY IN - MONEY OUT and think this explains who's a parasite and who's a contributor, you have to go case by case. For example a good chunk of Dutch "contributions" are import tariffs on foreign goods entering the EEA through Rotterdam harbor.
>>62218738
idk Ahmed,that's why I'm asking.
>>62218405
wtf how is poland such a leech? they're twice as bad as grease, do polacks just burn mountains of $$ for fun?
>>62218743
forecast means absolutely nothing, my links provide the actual growth checked every 3 months.
>>62218823
don't forget Greece has been leeching for 30+ years though
>>62218705
those are blugarians, Romanians descend from the romans, even their language is one of the most similar to latin
>>62218823
Beware the eternal Pole.
>>62218888
alelelei
nice digits Petrescu
>>62217894
That even though we have effectively no minimal wage we are still having a 20% better purchasing power than you, Poortugal
>>62217357
>France
Wtf
>>62217369
Maybe I do. I look at underemployment as well because it's easy to make shitty public jobs. Not so much replacing the jobs lost in 2008-2012.
>>62217520
They also have a state union that enforces literally all wages and contracts.
>>62217604
Yep.
>>62217647
Kys
>>62217680
This
>a good country does X therefore X should be done here
argument is retarded
>>62217741
They have a state union you have to be part of.
Just like China or Vietnam or Malaysia.
>>62217790
Okay?
>>62217792
Uhh no.
>>62217932
>muh free market
No such thing and therefore retards promoting it as the solution to everything are idiots.
The free market also has hundreds of Market Failures.
>>62218079
>tax haven
Hmm makes you think
>>62218114
Not necessarily mi amigo. Firing workers the second they become unprofitable is stupid.
Hiring and firing people is costly even in a perfectly free market.
>>62218164
Kys mi amigo
>>62218220
>GDP still lower than in 2000
Makes you think
>>62218445
>GDP still lower than in 2000
>>62218484
Mostly. They are Russians; so pretty heavily influenced by Central Asian genes.
>>62218541
The average Irishman is still way poorer than in 2005-2008.
Perfect example of the free market leading to high inequality.
It's killing itself.
>>62211848
Slovensko > Madziary
>>62217894
It means the average Czech can afford more shit with his wage than the average Portuguese.
>>62216241
not really
there is no contruction bubble, our comapneis and banks are heatlhy, debts is low...
what bubble are you talking about?
>>62218833
Annual GDP growth Q1 2016 was 1.0% in Italy and .9% in Portugal.
Q4 2015 was 1.1% in Italy and 1.3% in Portugal.
Y'all are even.
ITT Portugal launches into a shitfit of denial upon realizing Eastern Europe is wealthier than his country
>>62218930
Tbf, your native population is dying out faster than Japanese.
>>62219080
The EU bubble.
>>62219169
We have 1.5, which is not that bad. Also our general population grows, because Slovaks and Ukies are moving here massively, and they assimilate quickly.
>>62218743
If poortugal were to ever enter an economic crisis it would take many many years for you to get out of the red. I will admit you were a great power 500 years ago, but your ancestors would be ashamed of how crap your finances are right now. I'm pretty sure you could learn a thing or two from Italy's economic history, i.e. sustained economic miracle post-WW2 to the '60s/'70s and the formidable small business industry..
>>62219169
So what? They have Ukrainian, Russian and Slovak immigrants that are assimilating seamlessly.
>>62219350
>Russians
>assimilating seamlessly
top lel
>>62219314
The biggest problem of Italian economy are their banks. Small banking houses entangled with local politics.
>>62216663
literally no one is working here for minimal wage, you got more from social service(plus state is paying your rent) than working
only people who are working for minium wgae are waitress, gardeners etc. who get minimum wage and the the another money under the table
>>62219314
shut the fuck up italy hasn't grown in 20 years...
and stop calling us poortugal you inept fuck
>>62219239
you mean eu funds?
thats like 1% of our GDP, so pls explain 4% growth
>>62219463
Are you a proxyfag?
I just want us to be above 3rd world level
>>62219495
não caralho...
>>62219531
Boa merdapostagem, cavalheiro
>>62219493
There are other benefits. No trade barriers, Schengen area, common regulations, easier foreign direct investment, free movement of labour etc.
>>62219580
não tou a merdapostar vaca do caralho
>>62219596
sure but how is that bubble?
>>62214111
Wow is that that Russian actor who is sitting (i.e. штpaфбaт)
>>62219493
Uhh the entire EU economic system.
>>62219626
I didn't say that. I think he's assuming that the whole EU will collapse.
>>62219670
You're a retard buddy.
>>62219670
ok
so I guess NAFTA is bubble too
>>62219310
No it does not. It fell 25,000 in 2015.
>>62219350
>seamlessly
Soon it'll be just generic slavic shithole #38
>>62219626
over optimistic projections,,export depedent economy(60% of your economy is trade).If Germany closes the faucet,you're fucked.
Yes but what about the future?
>>62211848
>mfw when Cyprus has higher GDP/capita then all of eastern yurop and balk
>noface.jpg
>>62212046
Not even that bad, look at that mess in the balkans... At least Portugal will more than likely improve.
>>62216608
Like 5% or so.
>>62219689
The EU nearly collapsed in 2012 anon.
After recovering in 2014-2015 Brexit hit it again and now Italy and Greece need new bailouts.
>>62219703
NAFTA isn't an economic union.
>>62216766
No it's not.
>>62219748
It's a Russian/Turk/Israeli/Eastern Euro tax haven.
>>62219777
only greece needs bailouts,i don't even know how the fuck are they paying for their shit or if they have paid their last bailout yet
>>62219708
You know nothing absolutely nothing about that country.
You may have been to Prague once to get drunk on beer and fuck Ukrainian whores and now you think you something, lmao
>>62219626
don't pay any more attention to bubbletugal flag. he's couldn't be more wrong since the situation is exactly the opposite to his baseless bullshit.
>>62211848
Ireland is so unbelievably great.
We came from nothing and became rich as fuck. Only South Korea and Singapore can compete with our rags to riches tale.
>>62219808
Ahh yes the Economist calling the statistics bullshit is totally lying.
>>62219816
Italy has $150 billion in bad loans amigo.
Greece owes $500 billion. It got a bailout for its bailout.
All Europe (and the world) needs to fall apart is for China to shit itself.
>>62219708
You are literally making this up, we lost 409 people in 2015, while we grew by more than 4000 year before that.
>>62219734
if germany is fucked, whole europe is fucked
over optimistic projections? nah, 3-4% sounds all right
export depedent economy....yeah thats problem, on the other hand we have enormous oprotunity for future growth when we will add more service and domestic spending(already happening with 10% increase of houshld spending/year)
>>62219881
They aren't forced to pay their debts,they just need to get rid of their bailout
>>62219822
Czechs are dying out faster than Japanese and importing slavs isn't going to fix it.
Eastern Europe will FOREVER be poorer than Western Europe. That's never changing.
When the next recession hits; Eastern Europe is going to fall 8% like in 2009.
>>62219734
Great, if France decides to nuke you, you are fucked.
>>62211848
> GDP in PPP per capita
Its not wage so i doesnt mean anything. The real diffrence between nordics are not that big when you look at wages in PPP.
>>62219829
>That African Growth
>Africa's birthrate
I'm scared desu lads.
>>62219881
I wasn't referring to the statistics.
>>62219908
when are you actually going to increase wages?
>>62211848
GDP PPP per capita 2016
>>62219933
>Czechs are dying out faster than Japanese and importing slavs isn't going to fix it.
We are literally the same two nations, you ignorant redneck.
Shut the fuck up.
>>62219966
The first OP map was more accurate
>>62219964
1Q was 4.2% growth with zero inflation
next year central bank will stop devalation of our currency and the wages in euros will jump by 10%
so cca 20% in 2 years
>>62219888
I was looking at 2013 and I got a 0 wrong.
Either way, fertility is 1.4. That decreases each successive generation by 34%.
>>62219966
Why Ireland so successful?
>>62219966
Our gdp per capita in PPP right now is 27k
>>62219960
idk the english term for it, but 'scale skew', it's normal for less developed economies to go through more rapid growth (and also rapid decline). also, that birthrate is gonna drop when they hit 2nd world wage/gdppc, mark my words.
>>62219933
>Czechs are dying out faster than Japanese
You are literally making this up.
>importing slavs isn't going to fix it.
We select the people we let in, and slav immigration to Czechia works well.
>>62220088
we are a superior race
wages and GDP aren't relevant figures to see the quality of life in a certain region.
Purchasing power is much better, it tells exactly how many goods and services a citizen of a certain region has access to.
>>62219933
check out this map >>62219735
Western europe GDP has remained the same while or even gotten lower, while eastern europe GDP has grown significantly.
>>62220088
I love you Ireland
also Scotland
>>62219984
this
no one really thinks about slovaks as foreigners
>>62219966
2016 numbers are bullshit because they are forecasts. Use 2015 numbers.
>>62219963
Okay. The average Irish did not see a 26.3% rise in their wage last year.
>>62219984
No you guys are not. Fuck off.
>>62220041
Pic related?
>>62220185
I do
Interdastin.
>Tfw you graduate and ready to hit the work markets
>Golden age of Finnish economy is long gone, only stagnation
Fuck this gay earth. The future looks very dark.
Fuck, false pic.
>>62211848
How does it feel Witold?
>>62220199
ok so 4% real growth
>>62220142
Purchasing power adjusts to the local population.If the wages are low, the prices are low. So the diffrences betwen the countries are much lower than these maps are showing.Also people have different shopping habbits so it's hard to calculate real purchasing power.
>>62211848
>>62219966
How is Austria so successful? It's quite a developed country but probably the least talked about. I know they're a socialist democracy, which funnily enough makes it hard for current immigrants to find jobs, and they're topping the GDP charts. Is it simply its proximity to Germany
>>62220132
>You are literally making this up.
Fertility averaged 1.4 from 1980-2015.
This includes immigrants. Only 64% of Czech Republic is native Czech.
>>62220328
they owns shitload of banks all over balkan and eastern europe and half of europe spends their winter in austrian alpes
>>62220318
if a wage is low, but prices are even lower, then he's better off than one who has slightly higher wage but at the same time a much higher prices.
>>62220142
holy shit balk is more africa tier than sicily is. i'm honestly surprised Paolini
>>62220328
They still live on all the Nazi gold they stole from Germany.
>>62220156
It's easy to not be shit.
That still shows a clear and huge divide between Western EU and Eastern EU
Look>>62220142
>>62220421
Only 64% of Czech Republic is native Czech...
lol, its from census, dome people were just lazy and leave the box about nationality empty
>>62219769
>t. Alberto Barbosa
>>62220452
you're suprised because for a non european it's more difficult to tell wether an /int/ meme about europe is true or not
>>62220484
Leave him alone. He thinks Moravians are a real ethnic minority.
>>62220328
Lots of illuminati are from Austria.
Also that map is not accurate.Purchasing power in Germany is much higher than Austria. Germans earn more on average and have much lower prices.
>>62220421
You are just proving how you know shit about the topic. The percentage comes from people being lazy to fill in a voluntary part of census, plus edgy Moravians who pretend they are not Czechs because they drink plum brandy a lot
>>62220249
thank the baby boomers for that
but hey,you can still do the same to your own kids! And when their children are forced to cannibalism or crippling hunger,they will curse the bones of their dead ancestors.
That is what hairless apes do best,leave nothing to future generations
>>62211848
>Ukraine is poorer than Bosnia
>>62220484
>muh census is wrong
>>62220802
fuck off ameridumb hes right
>>62220506
No, those ex-commie countries just can't compete with Western Europe. I'm surprised at how well Poland and Czechia are doing though.
>>62220636
>muh census is wrong
>muh population pyramid doesn't show a clear and dramatically smaller population only held up by immigrants
The Czech Republic will be growing far far far slower 2017-2040 because of demographics.
>>62220802
I don't trust censuses at all
>>62220826
>ignore the official census and accept ancedotal evidence
>>62220923
So what do you trust?
Your ass?
Well here's my source for why censuses are more accurate than anecdotes. Pic related
>>62215517
>Poorer than lelgium
>>62220523
I'm surprised because my father comes from a little hellhole called Eritrea you might be familiar with. I do have to admit you made my country the most sophisticated one in Africa for a while so I appreciate that. Anyways, Papa traveled through Italy, from south to north, and he remarked how bad Sicily, Calabria, and Campania were, even worse off than some villages back home. Padania was on some other league, very beautiful place. Times have changed though, so I expect the polentones have improved.
>>62220942
happy now?
>>62221079
hes american you dont need to explain anything kek
>>62221016
Self reported stats are always wrong and people that study demographic trends tend to ignore them. At least for the U.S
>>62221108
but the census data on race is 100% self-reported and it's posted everywhere as fact
>PPP
into the trash it goes
>>62221174
I don't trust it at all. There are a few glaring faults with it
>>62221225
care to explain why?
>>62221296
because IRL different currencies exist, and with good reason
PPP is basically just "lol let's pretend there are no differences in currency"
>>62216370
t. Retard
Kill me
PLEASE
>>62218405
Fucking hell, Poland
>GIBS ME ALL DAT EU MONEYS
>>62221079
Okay?
The Czech Republic has imported at least 200,000 migrants since 2001.
The 2001 census showed 90% Czech.
>>62221413
you... you do realize you have to measure GDP in the same currency right? Otherwise you have GDP of 50 oingo boingos vs 30k dollars and you odn't know what the fuck that means
>>62211848
>eastern europe
holy shit i didnt know it was that bad there
>>62221413
?
Neck yourself
>>62219829
>Mongolia
THE GOLDEN HORDE HAS RETURNED
>>62221413
The fuck are you talking about?
>>62221581
I think you misunderstood m8
there's a difference between measuring nominal GDP in USD (for example) and ignoring all differences in currencies between different cunts.
>>62221623
Meanwhile they are in heavy recession this year.
China said "we do no more construction now" and the whole economy imploded.
They elected unironic commies btw
>>62221673
not him, but PPP is better because a crude number doesn't take into account the ratio wage/prices.
>>62221673
what differences are you talking about? The only difference that matters is the value of the currency.
>>62221673
I prefer nominal too but desu last few years nominal is fucked too aka 50% drop in Russia, 10% drop overnight in Uk after brexit etc.
>>62221673
PPP per capita is simply a more accurate measure of relative living standards than nominal per capita.
Did Britain really lose 14% of its economy in one day? No.
GDP = total flow of services+goods through a country in a year.
GDP != one day of a year where you take a snapshot of the economy
>>62221477
Why are the Slovaks so angry compared to their western neighbors?
>>62219708
You are dumb tb h. Slovaks assimilate in 3 days, its even laughable to compare Slovaks to other immigrants. Its like canadian moving to US. And they all have to work since czechia has shit gibs
>>62221804
because czech republic took all the hot grils
>>62219933
Importing slavs into slavic country is literally best type of immigration
>>62211848
>russian numbers are hilariously low counted.
>ukraine is now under 4000$ (normal salary there is 50-70 dollars)
>Moldovia is a perfect shithole what USA does at best. they were raped off all their economy and were allowed to wash toilets in the Britain. not to mention that 90% of them want back into Soviet Union.
>Bulgaria is literally paid by Air transit and tourists who dont want to go to the Turkey or Ukraine anymore.
>>62220142
I hate this map so fucking much. What retard made the completely made up regions? I know that northern Sweden is a backwater but there are real regions to put there instead of randomly drawing lines.
>>62221804
Because you are talking absolute bs
>>62211848
poorer than Russia
>>62221904
there are 25k uni slovak students
its actually kinda sad coz yeah they are studying for free but there is little brain drain from slovakia and we are profiting af from this
>>62222053
That map perfectly follows the Italian provinces, maybe they do the same for Sweden
>>62222058
bs??? >>62216789
>>62222194
They don't. It looks like they started out with our counties and then started editing the boarders and adding new ones.
>>62222130
Thats happening pretty much since forever here mainly by America tho. Not like it matters. We don't need brains when we are in EU
>>62222053
Read the map mong, it's divided for post codes
>>62217103
>trying to use logic with an american
>>62222759
Oh, I've never seen that one before and never realized that it differs so much from municipalities. Thanks for pointing it out.
>>62220142
>tfw the only smudge of blue for all of western europe is in poortugal
topkek
>>62218823
We were on the same level as Ukraine in 1989. We did progress a lot and the money is not (all) wasted.
Is $80k a year to live a comfy life in your countries?
>>62221967
butthurt ruskie diaspora detected
>>62223434
20k is enough for very comfort life
