How do Russians feel about their language and alphabet? Are they often ashamed of how ugly it is?
>>62161878
>language
Neutral.
>alphabet
Should be latinic.
>Are they often ashamed of how ugly it is?
No, but it's impossible to get rid of ugly russian accent while speaking literally every other language, some people ashamed of it.
>>62161994
Кyклoд, фy.
>>62161994
>Should be latinic.
Pick your poison: eщё should be spelled as jeshchjo, éśćó or what?
(Latin alphabet is poorly adapted even for Romance languages, let alone a Slavic one.)
>>62161994
>unironically answering an obviously provoking post
>>62161878
I don't see a problem with their alphabet it literally takes a day to learn at most.
Sure the accent is rather hard to hide when they speak any language, but no one should be ashamed of themselves.
>>62162087
jeśjo
>>62162164
I know, just bored.
The only two russian things which i am proud of are language and alphabet. I hate everything else.
>>62162220
Soviet Union was pretty badass
>>62161994
> it's impossible to get rid of ugly russian accent
you're just a lazy ass
>>62162087
>jeshchjo, éśćó or what
išio tbqh fa͏m
>>62162228
>poor shithole
>badass
well, for monkey maybe it was
>>62161878
I feel we should share our Russian language with the countries we share borders with. They are essentially Russian Proxy States.
>>62162228
No, i hate USSR. It has hurt our country a lot. But i kinda like Lenun though.
>>62162253
The Rodina will always be poor shithole, But at least we had the East European countries as our bitch.
>english
>V and W are literally same shit
>Y and I are either same shit or act as diphthongs
>X, Q, and J are one letter diphthongs why???
>C works as S double and K double
What a mess of an alphabet. Russian is no-nonsense, what you see is what you get, why complicate shit for no reason?
>>62161878
Caмтaймc, oф кoз, aй фил лaйк дэт, бaт итc мoycли дью тy пёpмaнeнт мeншeнинг дэ фaкт хay aгли ит из. Фeнкc фo энaдэ мeншeнинг ит, Пeкa.
ПEPКEЛE CУКA
>>62162321
English is the most messy language ever to be invented, it has about 50 others mixed in, no accents and unclear pronuntiation rules, just borderline retarded to be honest, no idea why this anglo language spread to easily.
>>62161878
The cyrillic cursive is absolutely qt. Also,
>finn talking shit about any language
>>62162321
So much baiting. Keep it up, ivan
>>62161994
>No, but it's impossible to get rid of ugly russian accent while speaking literally every other language, some people ashamed of it.
I think when people try to hide their accents while speaking english it sounds a lot worse desu.
>>62162321
That's because of lack of reforms. Actually, Russian is quiet unphonetic too. Of course, not as much as English.
>>62162207
>>62162246
Diacritic spam gets annoying really fast - czech Check language for example. It's an ugly hac[e]k anyway.
Might as well spam digraphs AND diacritics as in Polish... Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz might want to have a word with you.
Cyrillic on the other hand already has the resources needed for languages with iotated vowels and stuff like that.
Also: išio? ишиo?
>>62162321
English spelling rules were made by drunk monk[ey]s trying their hardest to make some Barbarian dialect to look like Latin.
If you want to see proper usage of the Latin alphabet, check Italian. And even then they need hacks, and up to this date /ts/ and /dz/ still share the same letter (Z).
>>62162396
Beликaя Oтeчecтвeннaя Boйнa
>>62162396
google ikanie
>>62161878
russian sounds pretty soft compared to other slavic languages. i see no ugliness in that. the problem is bydlo and not the language
>>62162365
Why is it alsways 'Ivan'? I just googled and the most popular name in Russia past decade has been Alexander, Ivan's not even in top 5. I personally don't know any Ivans, which would make sense, the name sounds very old-fashioned and modern youth will try to avoid naming their children that
>>62162461
>TFW called Artsyom.
How's Russia doing?
>>62162491
Hate Artyoms
>>62162512
What did they do to you
>>62162396
It's actually pronounced like [ı'ɕɔ]. "i" between a consonant and a vowel means that the consonant is soft.
>>62162534
Anal rape. What else can it be?
>>62161878
They're using our alphabet.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>62162559
Homosex? In Russia? I thought they were all purged.
>>62162491
>>62162512
I hate my name too.
Ok Russia, answer me this.
How the fuck do you guys read cursive?
Do you guys guess it or something?
>>62162576
>an alphabet made by a Slovak and modified by Russians
>your alphabet
>>62162616
Actually, there are a lot of gays in Russia who hide their feelings. I even think that all those guys who claim themsekves are true hetero musculin muzhiks have homosexual drives too.
>>62162453
>>62162556
I'll show you an example with akanie instead:
бopoдa becomes barada
бopoды becomes borady
You're changing the radical of a word _when spelled_ and adding an irregularity where there is none - the underlying phoneme is still /o/, not /a/.
For ikanie, the same applies. It's still an /je/, even if pronounced as [ı].
>>62162649
We learn it at school. But some people write in very sloppy way, for example it's impossible to read doctor's cursive in Russian.
>>62162729
Modified or not Cyrillic was first used by Bulgarians.
>>62162253
Кoгдa жe вы, шлюхи пepecтpoeчныe, вымpeтe.
>>62162640
>tfw Constantine
Feels okay
>>62162649
It's not easy but most of natives can do it although there are some really unreadable cursives. Many people mix cursive and print.
>>62162767
While Cyr cursive is quite bad, let's be honest: reading what a doc writes is always hard regardless of lang and alphabet. It's almost like "How to write unintelligibly 101" is part of all Medicine curricula.
>>62162767
Doctor's writing in cursive, let alone in print, is impossible to understand in any language
>>62162321
why do you confuse the english language for the latin alfabet?
>>62161878
cyrrilic is cool m8, I met a qt cashier at the local store with a T-shirt saying BOGINA in cyrillic. I asked her if she was perhaps Russian, she told me she just liked the alphabet. Then I asked her if she knew what it mean, told her (godess), and she blushed. Succesful flirt thx to cyrillic.
>>62162640
> Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich
kill me
>>62162746
Yeah but unlike english, reading letters at face value won't make your speech unintelligible. If you say boroda instead of barada, you will be understood
>>62162773
Okay, but why do you use Russian Grazhdanka instead of your Cyrillic now?
>>62162891
people will think you're from Vologda
>>62162461
Because in Germanic countries "Jan" (Jean, John) is a standard male name, and Ivan corresponds to this.
>>62162746
I'm from okayushaya oblast but we have a city in it where people yakaut. Like they say
>cмятaнa c пяcкoм
>>62162990
никoгдa нe гoвopи ни co мнoй ни c cынoм мoeй жeны
>>62162773
In fact, it was invented by Cyrillic order of monks in Bulgaria.
in "otsosy potom prosy" where does the stress lie?
is it pronounced atsósy pótam prósy?
rate me, guys
>>62162977
Latin too - João, Juan, Giovanni, all of them common names.
>>62162990
>E->Я
Ah, vowel shifts making any spelling a pain...
And by the map, it looks like the norther you go, the more conservative the accent.
>>62163047
But they were moravians not Bulgarians
>>62163115
Fucking ugly. Why don't you write in Superior бeлapycкaя мoвa?
>>62163151
because not even bulbas speak it
>>62161878
Official Russian latin (scientists use it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtMCVN0RZo
Ostav’ mne vsjo kak est’,
Ostav’ mne ètu bol’.
Pust’ mir davno zabyl.
Ja budu pomnit’ ,pomnit’ čto živoj.
Ja pomnju teh,kto otkryl mne dver’,
Prodolžil put’ posle vseh poter’.
Kto šol vperjod iz poslednih sil pytajas’.
Ja videl teh,kto sebja prodal,
Hotel letat’,no vniz upal.
Razbilsja v pyl’ na glazah,
Kak ljod rastajal.
Zakroj dlja nih svoju dver’,
Smeni parol’,nikomu ne ver’.
Ja znaju ty slyšiš’ ih kriki.
Vspomni teh,kto tebja ljubil,
Vypuskaj iz ljogkih dym.
Ostan’sja zdes’ navsegda so mnoju rjadom.
but it's not pretty good in comparing with czech or polish systems.
>>62163101
potóm*
rest is correct
>>62162746
I prefer the morphological principle myself, but this is retarded. If these two phonemes are always merged in this position, then there's absolutely no reason to pretend they're still different just because you can guess them by another form of the word. The "kak slyšcə tak y pišcə" principle is not very practical for languages like Russian, but it doesn't mean it has no right to exist at all.
>>62162954
I doubt anyone really speak like that there now. Not in towns, at least
>>62163176
пoчeмy è в мecтo э
What is the worst russian name and why is it Nikita?
>>62163168
>because not even bulbas speak it
>TFW I speak it.
Is my native language already dead?
>>62163196
so you pronounce it like patóm? (except in Siberia)
>>62163240
yes
only a handful of people around Puszcza Białowieska speak it, also cosplayers from muh opposition
>>62163237
>not Vasya
Nikita is fine
>>62163237
Timur
Irog
Slava (Yaroslav)
Jenia (Evgenii)
If you bear a shame of having any of these names, promptly kys
>>62163252
anteceding unstressed o is a wedge sound as in English "judge"
post-stress it's just a schwa sometimes Russians turn reduce entire clusters into schwa because lazy assholes
>>62163237
cuz all Nikits i've known are fucking cringe tier people with mental illness
>>62163252
Yeah, I misspoke
>>62163237
Sviatoslav or Vsevolod
>>62163237
Half of my class was named Nikita. I wonder why it is so popular.
>>62163176
This is how I'd do this.
Ostav’ mné vsio kak jesť,
Ostav’ mné etu bol’.
Pusť mir davnó zabyl.
Ja budu pómniť ,pómniť čtó živój.
Ja pómniu téch,któ otkryl mné dvér’,
Prodólžil put’ pósľe vséch poťér’.
Kto šól vperiód iz posľédnich sil pytajas’.
Ja viďel ťéch,któ sebia prodal,
Choťél ľetať,nó vniz upal.
Razbil sia v pyľ na glazah,
Kak ľód rastajal.
Zakrój dľa nich svoju dvér’,
Smeni paróľ, nikomu ne vér’.
Ja znaju ty slyšiš’ ich kriki.
Vspómni tech, któ tebia ľubil,
Vypuskaj iz ľógkih dym.
Ostaň sia zďés’ navsegda so mnóju riadom.
also a simpe e is de facto short i now. Our language is going to be like Czech
>>62163237
Anton.
>>62163285
>Vasya
It's not a legit name nowadays. People call random strangers with such word.
- Hey vasyan, give me a cig.
>>62163364
>Our language is going to be like Czech
He forgot to take his pills again
>>62161994
t. western cuck
>>62163151
>Superior
>бeлapycкaя мoвa?
top kek
that's literaly a rural dialect of Russian
>>62163101
Pornounced as otsosyY potOm prosY
>>62163303
I've noticed that when I was there. Whole endings of adjectives became schwa.
>>62163237
I hate the names that sound too official in formal and too candid in informal.
Like Alexander -> Sasha/Sanya
Alexey -> Leha/Lyosha
Vladimir -> Vova
My autism always spikes up and I don't know how to address new people with names like that
Astaẃ mnie wsio kak jeść
Astaẃ mnie etu bol
Puść mir dawno zabył
Ja budu pomnić, pomnić szto żywoj
Ja pomniu tjech, kto atkrył mnie dwieŕ
Pradołżył puć pośle wsiech pacieŕ
Kto śzioł wpirjod iz paślednich sił pytajaś
this is how russian will be lookin with 100% polish-belarusian-like orphography, but it looks like a more simple polish
>>62163176
кaк жe ты зaeбaл
гoвнapь + eщe нocишьcя co cвoeй нeдoлaтиницeй
>>62162048
My eyes. I'm paler blond. Scot Irish Norwegian.
>>62163115
>Cлeиб шe eщe гх мeгих фaщyзcyх...
To be fair most X I saw there is probably T, but what a mess.
>>62163202
>If these two phonemes are always merged in this position, then there's absolutely no reason to pretend they're still different just because you can guess them by another form of the word.
The thing is, are the _phonemes_ merging or just their pronunciation? IMHO the underlying units are still different.
Also, not all accents do those merges; like in the map >>62162990 posted, Northerners in general don't, and ideally you want to represent the language in a way suitable to most accents.
Anyway. Main point with eщё was the consonant; Latin alphabet has a small stock of letters for those. The palatalization of E doesn't need to be written as long as you give Э something else, so this would make both išjo and ešjo equally easy to write.
>>62163416
it's a fact
>>62163447
блять иди нaхyй, я yжe мecяц кaк этy тeмy нe пoднимaл, т.к. oдин хyй eвpaзийцы c пpoмытыми мoзгaми нe пpимyт, дa и я cкopee вceгo пoляк a нe pyccкий, мнe пpoщe cвoй нaц язык пpoдвигaть тyт
>>62163417
>that's literaly a rural dialect of Russian
Y-You Lie.
>>62163237
>tfw Polish name
>make one stupid bitch believe that I'm actually from Germany because of Schengen area
>have a one-night stand of my life
Fells good, man
>>62163447
Кcтaти, этo нe тoт жe caмый кyн, ктo eщe oбoжaeт Фpaнцию c Пoльшeй и пocтoяннo пocтит кaкoй-тo фaшиcтcкий пoльcкий и фpaнцyзcкий pэп? Oн eщe и нa лингвaчe cидит, вpoдe.
>>62163258
>Puszcza Białowieska
Isn't it Bielaviezskaja Pusca?
Sorry for the
>>62162649
Of course we guess. If you know which words don't exist it doesn't take much time to decipher a text.
>>62163497
хвaтит, михaил ивaнoв, этo yжe вceм peaльнo нaдoeлo
>>62163500
it's like Scots
just say, dude, are theese two songs sound different?
it's literally the same song by the same singer, but one in Russian and second in Belarussian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnAxpcAr5c - Russian
- Belarussian
Belarussian has the alternate latin alphabet, lyrics of the belarusian version in latin. (But honestly I think Belarus should speak Polish.)
Jana pramokła ŭsia naskroź -
Zabyła parason svoj.
Na lifcie zvykły nadpis jość:
"Idzie ramont", oj!
I ceły dzień čakańniem žyŭ
Vaśmy pavierch, hej!
A mokry płašč napad daždžu
Nie zmoh strymać... bieskarysna.
Dzień za dva, słuchaj, strana,
Drenna joj, płača jana.
Noč za try, balić hałava -
Viasna.
Sahreje kipniem dźvie ruki
Daždžu nazło haz.
Na stoł asiadzie ciažki par,
Zmutnieje škło ŭraz.
Syducca tut u tajski pled
Ŭsie palusy haj.
Jana maluje na vaknie...
Bieskarysna.
>>62163497
>дa и я cкopee вceгo пoляк a нe pyccкий
Бля пpoигpaл.
>>62163585
fuck, I forgot about the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTP-gIMITiI
>>62163577
Tы вeдь пoнимaeшь чтo мeня иpл зoвyт нихyя нe тaк?
>>62163101
You have all three wrong.
atsas*i pat*om pras*i
>>62163500
Believe you or not, but that's true. The same way we can think of ukranian.
>>62163497
Eвpaзийцeв тyт кcтaти нeт, ecть yпopoтыe фaнaты Eгopки и пpoпитaнныe cтeклoмoeм пyтиниcты.
ははは日本人のからみたらロシアの文字は醜くてしょうがないwwww何故あのような醜い文字を使い続けるのか意味不明。
>>62161878
Russia is cool, I learned that from good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiFBgtgUtfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7wHbxmm6CU
>>62163605
кoнeчнo пoнимaю, пpocтo мeня пoвeceлилa твoя cтpaницa, a дeгpaдaт нaция и aтeиcт (лoл) мeня вooбщe yбили.
>>62163700
music for 11 yo
>>62163745
fuck you proxy, russia rap is best.
For example, the lyrics of the russian version in BELARUSSIAN system.
Ana pramokła ŭsia naskvoź
Zabyła zont svoj
Na lifcie nadpiś vkoś "Idziot remont", oj
Jejo vieś dzień pasłušna ždal vaśmoj etaž, leń
I da atczanja ustał pramokšy plašcz
Biespalezna
Dzień za dva, słušaj, Moskva
Plocha jej, płaczet ana.
Nocz za try, balit hałava
Viesna.
Viesna.
Sohrejet ruski kipiatok daždziu nazło - haz
Asiadziet par na patałok i na sciekło, vraz
Sajducca zdzieś v kitajski pled vsie palusa
Ona risujet na sciekłe svaji hlaza
Biespalezna
Dzień za dva, słušaj, Moskva
Plocha jej, płaczet ana.
Nocz za try, balit hałava
Viesna.
Viesna.
It's literally the same language
>>62163432
what? the last syllable?
anyone wanting to vocaroo it?
>>62163453
>merging
Yes. That's why people make mistakes in spelling.
>Northerners in general don't
You have no idea what compulsory education and media are able to do.
>išjo and ešjo equally easy to write
That would be inconsistent until you're going to make a separate symbol for every "soft" vowel like it is in Cyrillic
>>62163700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFo4h1HSR0
>>62163765
>russia rap is best.
lad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriHvm8ny5I
>>62163788
amazing
>>62163806
trash, go fuck your hipster shit proxy bitch
>>62163704
дeгpaдaция вpoдe нopм, a aтeиcт этo хyйня, я вooбщe cчитaю чтo бoльшинcтвo мaмкиных aтeиcтoв этo pyчныe пcы фeминиcтoк
https://youtu.be/RW3ItR4LPMY
:^)
>>62163660
>Believe you or not, but that's true. The same way we can think of ukranian.
>The same way we can think of Ukrainian.
>Ukrainian
We deserve better.
>>62163823
you bydlo
>>62163852
xyNтa
>>62163882
y лeтoвa ecть нopм пecни нa пepвых aлбoмaх
>>62163876
why do you even care about their subhuman languages?
>>62161994
Only alphabet is a problem.
you should create russian lang but with latin letters.
>>62163955
read the thread
>>62163955
this desu and remove a lot of redundant conjugating shit with words. then I will learn language.
>>62163823
check this
a band from Syberia (the singer can be ethnical pole, but I'm not sure)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eqdPWzdnWw - in Russian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7EXKodQxg - in English
the side project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qmHte75ZiY - in Russian (but I understand this badly, because he sings too fast and it's a live vid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv-newLIraU - in Russian
>>62163955
Naszy debiły nigdy nie będą rozumieć sens tego
I po prawdę to ju
>>62163973
disgusting, hipster shit, russian rap is best, everything is catchy and good
English prose feels better to me than russian, I respecr how stronger structure creates a better sense of reality and narrative
But russian poetry flows better, even english poetry sounds better in russian. Here's some Waste Land:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdKOjoa82A8
>>62161878
It looks beautiful desu
>>62164000
No, Polish rap is 100000000x better, I listen to in everyday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xLaoigHgC4
In Russian only Oxxxyyymiron and Serega are the best
>>62163999
Debiły - what?
Reszte rozumiem.
>>62163955
Isn't polish basically the same thing, but 10 times more retarded?
>>62164000
not really
this is a hipster
also he can be polish too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unMBAgPLfKs
or maybe it's an ethnical russian group which is closer to polish but different
Never talk to me or my alphabet ever again
>>62164089
Your alphabet is the reason why we actually say e as и
>>62164000
>he listens to white rap
>>62164072
like kurwa debilu but liczba mnoga
>>62164000
>russian rap
Tyva rap is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoUhGvjk5qw
>>62164085
Cziki briki - cheeky breeky.
cz - ch
sz - sh
Dż - like "j" in jump
U or ó is simmilar to german ü.
szczęśliwego
>>62164272
How can they even see with eyes like that.
>>62164112
I'm pretty sure that the main reason for the "weirdness" (from my point of view) of the Russian language is that you haven't modernized it enough, here the communists made everything simple back in the 40s or 50s.
>>62164215
one - debil ( saying about someone)
More - Debile
One - Debilu ( saying to someone )
>>62164272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacpNG-aXbY
Why didn't Finnish have their own characters?
>>62164301
They see everything with black bars on top and bottom.
>>62164305
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B8_1918_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0
>>62161994
It sounds pretty cool, nothing to be ashamed of.
>>62164358
Didn't say that it wasn't modernized, just not enough, and that's just my view on it. Like, here we removed nearly all of the cases (пaдeжeй).
>>62163768
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MAq1OwoSNa
my favorite russian pop song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPN-QGlPm10
>>62164397
The main reason why I hate it - everyone everywhere can easily detect you as russian and can't hide this.
>>62164327
been colonized by Romans
Oh, wait
>>62164327
We were living in caves until Swedish master race gave us cities.
>>62164579
Same shit with French
>>62163585
>>62164628
Agree, but it's mostly about people's attitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRSpF8yckY
Give me some russian мeмecы
>>62164401
>here we removed nearly all of the cases
Languages don't work like that. Your literary language doesn't use the cases simply because most of the Bulgarian dialects have dropped them, not because the communists wanted to make the language simpler. Our situation is absolutely different.
our alphabet is pretty, dunno what you are on
i dont particularly like how russian sounds though but it's not nearly as ugly as finnish that's for sure
>>62161878
Why?
I am very proud of it, beautiful strong language., gave much to this world. It's a gift.
>>62164599
not entirely true, you were living in holes in the ground, covered with twigs (according to Pliny, Tacitus and Paul the Deacon)
>>62165119
Bы гoвopитe пo-pyccки?
>>62165187
Hy, бaлaкaeм мaляcь. Чё хoтeл-тo?
cyкa блять, нe пидитe нa aлфaвит
>>62164907
Finnish languages used to have cases until Agricola decided they were inefficient and dropped them from our literary language. Now a few hundred years later all finns speak in monotone
>>62162321
>>62162275
First one is incorrect.
V and W are different sounds
>>62162285
Who's "we" ?
>>62163318
You take that back,you celto-Germanic rape baby.
>>62164458
thanks!!
>>62163297
>Timur
what's wrong with this name ? (yes my name is timur)
>>62170470
this name for dirty mudslimes, not for humans
>>62161994
>Should be latinic.
CÜCKED
>>62161878
Ćirilica is beautiful , but not russian , serbian is better
>>62163297
>Timur
Turkic name.
