Deunification was a mistake.
>>62138782
Ver un mapa de latinoamérica sin brasil me *triggea* mucho
p.d la colonización fue un error, destrozamos latinoamérica en tal grado que ni la independencia pudo solucionarlo. qué cagada.
>>62139038
que cojones dices, la colonizacion enriquecio españa, y aunque en su dia se utilizaron los beneficios de mala manera, es probable que ahora seamos primer mundo literalmente gracias a eso, nosotros y el resto de europa
>>62138782
You should have formed one big ass south american spanish speaking country
>>62138782
los españoles somos envidiosos por naturaleza y queremos el mal ajeno, asi que no me extraña que el imperio se hundiese en la mierda
>7-0
>>62139038
t. Podemita medio sin puta idea de historia ni de nada
>>62139723
I wonder what it would be like if the Spanish Empire survived till today
>>62139816
voto al p-lib
>>62138782
You'd have to add a a good hunk of the US if yiu want to go for what the original map looked like... The constitución de Cadiz would have created a pretty awesome country even if it was too late for the Southern Cone when it came out, The Spaniards however decided to cuck themselves and then we had Santa Anna do us even worse... I think we could move towards a EU style union in Latin America, except learning from Europe's mistakes, a bit ambivalent on Brasil tho, guess that'd be a call for the South Americans...
>>62140660
Hispanic America would be more homogeneous than today and probably more "developed" in some ways, f.x structures and shit (spaniards loved to build universities and things like that)
And Spain might be more taco-tier.
but a country that big wouldn't be possible for spain to control
>>62140277
>>62138782
>modern bourbon coat of arms in LatAm
Triggered as fuck, ese.
Not being Anglicised was the mistake. Imagine the entire Americas under Franco-British control. 95% white, 1 billion people, a mega-Australia
>>62141175
MÉXICO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:(
>>62141324
Yeah, look at how good is that going for France and Britain.
So it's ok to blame the spanish for our third-world retardation
>>62141324
this map is a fucking blasphemy against the empire. so is referring to independized spics as spanish as you ameritards do
>>62141324
It wouldn't have been the same colonization pattern, Mexico was already a civilized country so British administration there would have gone something more like India. Mind you the Aztecs were fanatic about cleanliness, they bathed daily and had indoor plumbing at the time of European contact.
>>62138782
this is oddly cool looking
spanish and a coastal new world country, fitting
I'm sorry but we don't belong with the rest of you.
>>62141493
>Canada, Australia, NZ are prosperous and safe and the highest living standards of ex-colonies
>Mutual love and respect and brotherhood from homeland to colonies
>Britain and France could draw tens of millions to wars and could have smashed the central powers with the might of 500 million Anglo Americans and 50 million Franco-Americans across both continents and Oceania
ANZAC forces already did amazing work in WW1 and WW2, imagine if Britain had access to 5 or 10 times that. A combined Anglo-Americas of 900 million could have a GDP of 50 trillion today
>>62142237
>southern brazil in line with north america
based.
>>62142422
>souther Brazil
You mean Uruguay?
>>62142026
Good point. My ideal would be that the Meso American city states would have been subdued then left on their own as internal enclave states kind of like Swaziland in SA. Preserved like a little museum on their own patch of land. Same with the Incas. The non-developed natives would get Canada-style reservations and treaties. But otherwise, no mixing and full white settlement like with Australia. I think Canada did native relations the best. So imagine if North and South America was one giant Canada
>>62141175
>>62141459
>CHI
that qt tho
>>62141324
belize and guyana are shitholes, though
>>62142790
As a white guy I don't think I would want to live as warden to an ethic Disneyland... The thing is the Aztecs were too dangerous a people to Westernize, think the Japanese, they were honor bound to the point of subjecting themselves to pain daily to atone for their souls, same with the baths and saunas (temazacales) it had a lot to do with ritual clanliness, had they gone beyond their limitations, no draft animals and no metal (although one of their vassal states in Michoacan was staring its bronze age) they would have had the resources the japanese never had. Mesoamerica was the only civilization that civilized itself to having a written language and advanced mathematics while retaining human sacrifice and keep in mind Cortez conquest was only based on him turning conquered peoples against them... Except these conquered peoples (the Tlaxcaltecs) had the exact same culture... India would have been the model for initial colonization but eventually, as Mesoamericans acquired Western technology, they would have likely become more like China... I think it worked out better this way... Central America would have become something like Bangladesh, the Incas something like Nepal ta best, Pakistan at worst (they were as civilized as the Aztecs but never had numbers, it was a mountain civilization) Brazil would have been Africa all over again with South Atlantic Brasil turning into something like South Africa, Argentina and Chile may have gone on the model as Canada, except without a US right next to them they would have been more like white apartheid areas..
>>62141324
I would rather to have been colonized by Danes tbqh, sadly they don't know how the fuck to colonize
>>62139038
>, destrozamos latinoamérica
deja de hacerle caso a los peruANOS
>>62146510
Colombians are beautiful, about the only country in the world who managed to actually blend in blacks so that they add to the beauty/culture but don't destry anything... We just got a bit of, admittedly nice, culture but no small minority of hot mostly white afro girls...
>>62138782
Ferdinand VII was the biggest mistake in our history. All people hate him
t he loved french people and napoleón fucking Ferdinand VII
>>62142403
The UK (in the XIX) and then USA (in the XX) worldwide market politics are the geopolitical reason why Latin America ended being the shit it is now. For example, Paraguay was once the most developed country in South America, until UK wanted them to produce cotton for their worldwide market of fabric as the USA would not provide it anymore after independence. So, they asked for their puppets Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay to stomp Paraguay killing 90% of ther male populace, something they would never recover from in their history.
Most developmentalist nationalistic projects were fought by UK and France too, like Argentinean isolationist leader Juan Manuel de Rosas, or United South Provinces (the South USA) plan from Gervasio Artigas.
What most Latin American "countries" devolped in the end, was a mega capital city and a backyard to extract commodities. Our oligarchies were fascinated with this British model: they made money and traveled all over the world in exchange for something that was almost free there (cattle, coffee, cotton, you name it).
It's like the Congo for example. A massive hell hole perfectly integrated in the global market.
So, there's no possible way we could have been a better place with direct colonization. We always were colonized by the anglosphere.
>>62138782
España falta en ese Mapa. Toda la Hispanidad unida.
>>62139816
Definitivamente.
>>62140965
>>62141324
Cortés succeeded because he had a brain and made alliances, and Spain had the goal of mixing with the natives.
You cucks only got a sliver of land in the colonies then pretended to be harmless until you could exterminate the indians. Not to mention without Spain, the U.S wouldn't have won it's independence.
>>62138782
it was goddamn it...IT FUCKING WAS....españa senpai.. come back, these rulers are just a bunch of pricks...come back!!!!! (get rid of your commies first though)
>>62141868
Para mi Mexicano, Novohispano o Español Americano son todos aceptables. Me vale coño lo que opinen los indigenistas.
>>62146938
desu, our current goverment is shit and my only hope is in a 2nd Rojas Pinilla wannabe that emerges thanks to the events at Turkey right now
>>62147120
Así es. Jodido Fernando VII.
>>62147682
That's a very interesting view... We used to be the wealthiest nation on earth, it was Mexican silver that pretty much built global commerce, then pretty much lost the full 19th century in a couple of bruatlly surreal dictatorhips, civil wars and foreign invasions so we had no real chance to recover from Independence until after the Mexican revolution... Then the Mexican miracle, a good half century of peace and growth until in the 1970's the Oil crisis shocked us into opening to the world... Still I would say many of our problems are self made, we managed to industrialize and drop the model of exporting commodities in less than a generation, South America was fully in control of its destiny during the same time frame but other than Brasil building a couple of big industries you didn't really take advantage of that... Even Chile is still very dependant on mining...
>>62138782
Sudamerica es la Pen. Ibérica a la inversa; Brasil es España y el resto es Portugal.
>>62151640
España no esta llena de negros... Oh, wait...
>>62148231
>2nd Rojas Pinilla wannabe
he will be dead before someone knows him
>Europe will never reconquista the new world
>>62151943
Si hay,de Guinea vienieron muchos en los 90s.muchos volvieron a malabo cuando la crisis. Aunque mucha gente aquí no sabe ni que existe Guinea Ecuatorial
>>62152071
You mean Eurabia? No thanks, I think we are better off without Muslims...
>>62147682
Es un problema de raiz. Los caudillos 'libertadores' fueron tontos útiles manejados como marionetas por masones ingleses y franceses que llevavan siglos teniendo sueños húmedos con hincarle el diente a la America española, y los 'libertadores' y sus amigos los oligarcas territoriales fueron creando paisitos que, evidentemente por su indefension politica militar y economica, pasaron a ser nodos cautivos de las redes comerciales y politicas de ingleses primero y estadunidenses despues, hasta la actualidad.
Tambien es cierto que España gestionó y gobernó como el culo, basicamente no habia ningun proyecto coherente, estratégico, de largo recorrido, aunque se hicieran importantes avances y reformas administrativas y comerciales en la segunda mitad del XVIII, no fue suficiente y además, en cuanto subio al trono el mierda de Carlos IV empezó a hundirse todo, alli y aqui. Realmente es el periodo mas desastroso de nuestra historia, con 2 auténticos retrasados/hijoputas miserables en el trono, el papi y el hijo, y una cohorte de fantoches a su alredor.
>>62141324
>Franco-British control
Fuck no
>>62142237
Bullshit map, cite credible sources.
>>62141324
>square states
>South York
>would literally be just Detroit - the continent
no thanks
>>62139038
>muh amerindios
Por qué tienen las antiguas colonias tanta tirria a los españoles? En la Commonwealth lo llevan mejor; parece que solo los chilenos que he conocido y algún argentino que otro son capaces de mantener una conversación sin expresar un odio visceral por gente con la que apenas tienen contacto.
>>62152876
Dejando el racismo atrás, LatAm tiene potencial y se verá en décadas, objetivamente el racismo es una idiotez los mismos españoles estamos mezclados con judíos iberos, celtas y de todo
>>62153021
Hay imbeciles asi alli y aqui, senpai.
No te olvides que aqui tambien.
>>62152397
>mexico
>better off than anyone
you are literally the literally western afghanistan, except your druglords dont pretend to be muslim
>>62153042
Que tiene que ver el racismo con nada de lo que has dicho y con mi post? LatAm tiene problemas particulares que retrasarán su desarollo aun un tanto: es dificil salir del hoyo cuando apenas hay estabilidad; los países que logran estabilizarse tiran
"to parriba".
>>62153215
Que LatAm vaya bien nos beneficia a toda la hispano esfera es así
>>62153294
Y dónde he dicho lo contrario? Me confunden muchísimo tus posts.
>>62139038
>Ver un mapa de latinoamérica sin brasil me *triggea* mucho
You're welcome.
~Alberto Barbosa
>>62153021
A la mayoría de la gente de aquí realmente no tiene problemas con la España de ahora, incluso diría que a la mayoría les gusta España. México y España tienen muy buenas relaciones en realidad, y los inmigrantes mexicanos que van allá (pocos en realidad, alrededor de 40 mil) generalmente están educados y tienen trabajo. Lo mismo con los españoles que llegan acá. México apoyó a los republicanos durante la dictadura, y acogió a muchos refugiados.
También existe gente como Rocío Dúrca, Miguel Bosél, Bunburi, Sabina y demás que constantemente vienen a México o hacen colaboraciones con artistas de acá. Y lo mismo con nuestros artistas, Iñarritu con Biutiful y Amores Perros, Cuarón con Y tu mamá también, o Del Toro y El Laberinto del Fauno donde salen varios actores españoles.
Realmente sólo te vas a encontrar con """odio""" de parte de niños en comentarios de YouTube gracias a diferencias en el dialecto.
>>62141324
>Franco
More muslims? Us other three guys managed to make our colonies christian. They were the ones that fucked up.
>>62153143
I get that we are a fucking shithole, but no, fucking leaf.
>>62153460
>Rocío Dúrcal, Miguel Bosé, Bunbury*
>>62153021
Debe ser que cada país tiene una visión diferente de su propia historia en relación a España, en nuestro caso sigue siendo bastante reciente por lo de todos los gallegos que vinieron hace un par de generaciones. Ademas nunca fuimos "muh antigua civilización" Argentina y Chile eran el fin del mundo en el Imperio Español
>>62153143
Nope, at our worst we still have a lower murder rate than Brasil at what's been it's best... And that's not the only favorable comparison you could draw in between Mexico or any BRICS country, one of the few good things that may come out of Muricans electing Trump is we may finally convince our politicians to stop fighting the Drug War for them... Meanwhile how many Mosques are there in your town eh?
It'd be a comfy huge-ass country desu
Reunification when? We can cuck the brazilians and finally make our own latin empire.
>>62153632
>have to compare yourselves to Brazil to get a positive result
>>62154469
>We can cuck the brazilians
>>62154545
The thing is, people often thinks we are way worse than what we actually are.
If you were posting here before 2006 when all went to shit things would have been very different in regards as to what people think from us. It's amazing how much things can change in just a couple of years.
>>62154469
I would rather to join Brazil along with Venezuela, i don't care about what language we speak
>>62154670
>The thing is, people often thinks we are way worse than what we actually are.
Me, every single day
>>62154670
Pretty sure you've always been portrayed as being poor and having unclean drinking water.
>>62154790
>people often thinks we are way worse than what we actually are
That's a good thing, stops people coming to your country in search of free welfare.
>>62154778
Hell no, we'd be better off along with Mexico, Panama and Chile
>>62154846
Even then, the picture people across the world has about us is worse now. So yeah, no, we actually dropped to number 10 in pic related because of this very thing. We were much higher.
I don't blame them, things really hit the fan after 2006, luckily we are starting to stabilize again very slowly.
But the bias against us is often exaggerated, even when we are definitelly not a good country.
>>62154875
They will help us growing, but culturally-wise, i would prefer joining Brazil
>>62154545
or BRICS countries yes, we didn't build our own wealth by plundering other peoples...
>>62141324
>Franco-British
You are only thinking about the good colonies, Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada. You forgot that the british empire and the french controled most of africa, india and south east asia.
So, overall, they sucked at being nice.
>>62155035
Says the country with the longest running civil war in the world, like it doesn't affect YOUR culture... Shows you beggars can be choosers,
>>62155260
rude
>>62155260
How can you be mad at that, i just said i prefer Brazilian culture, i don't have any problem with Mexico, chill retard
>>62155260
you went too far man and we're not in a civil war get your facts straight
>>62152514
Totally agree. Most Uruguayan historians point to the laughable fact that caudillo Gervasio Artigas became our national hero without being a mason, unlike well-known ones Argentinian San Martin or Venezuelan Simon Bolivar. UK invented Uruguay to weaken Brazil and Argentina, and it was impossible to make a hero with what they got, so they had to take this atipical guy who wanted some kind of federal country, not Argentina nor Uruguay.
Haven't read in detail about the Spanish Crown from the period, but I'm sure that things would have been much different for LatAm with the presence of an European power around to mediate.
>>62153021
Most people here react to the "iberic accent" with an unexplainable hate that I don't know where might originate. Apart from that, I think Spain is for LatAm, in a doxical way, associated with all the bullshit traditional Spain. For me it's a damn shame. There are a handful of totally essential music bands for the hispanosphere that right now are just sleeper hits, and some interesting political movements and intellectuals too.
In regards to Spain and how LatAm should relate to it, I like to think it as our "Metropolis". It always amazed me how very uncivic people here, usually come back as citizens of the world after a few years there. And believe me I've seen cases that would seem impossible to solve.
>>62153021
Porque los de Commonwealth solo son Britanicos viviendo en otra parte, en cambio ustedes se follaron a los nativos de aca y les arrebataron el oro y los volvieron sus sirvientes, ellos fueron inteligentes y los mataron a casi todos
>>62153021
¿pues con qué clase de subnormales hablas? Toda, absolutamente toda la gente que conozco no le tiene ninguna clase de rencor a España, y creo que mucha gente en mi país es de esa forma. El quejarse por algo que pasó hace mucho tiempo es ridículo en verdad, solo los de extrema izquierda socialistas wannabes sacan esa estupidez. Lo que a veces he llegado a escuchar es la broma de "devolvednos el oro, canallas", pero de eso no pasa.
>>62138782
Would you really wanted to have to share resources with central Americans and Colombians though?
>>62158738
no, colombians are fine, but centracas must be genocided whatever it takes (there might be some good folks among them, but too many to tell'em apart)
>>62141175
>>62142026
This. It would have been cool to see how modernized Maya and Aztec societies would have turned out had they been left in tact.
>>62145681
I feel like Mayas or Aztecs left un-conqured would have turned out more like Thailand. A culture rigid and idealistic enough to remain free of total foreign domination, however, I simply do not either were advanced enough to take off like Japan did. Despite being quite developed both Aztec and Maya had some pretty big social problems and Maya states regularly fell into collapse because they're populations grew too large for the amount of natural resources they had.
