>english """""language"""""
>16 pointless tenses
>articles
>no case or gender
How did this meme become lingua franca?
Through ruthless efficiency
>>62131887
Now you tell me, do people sat and decided how dense will be information in language, or was it natural process?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO46ii3W07U
>>62131887
Wait that don't make any sense. How is english with its garbage articles and clutters of auxiliary verbs more information dense than evercompounding german or chinese where just a few symbols can represent entire paragraph?
>>62133104
Why don't you research it yourself instead of asking on 4chan, you retard?
all indo european """""""""""""""""languages""""""""""""""" suck
Genders are retarded anyways
>>62131833
It feels weird not really knowing how my language is put together like with second languages. I just make sounds and they mean things. I couldn't begin to tell you what the 16 tenses are.
>what is he and she
since when did a tree need a gender?
>>62131833
>16 pointless tenses
Here we go again.
>>62131887
>Japanese that inefficient
No wonder they kill themselves so much.
>>62131887
>syl./s
That's utter bullshit and I don't understand how this """"study"""" is taken seriously.
Speed is not an intrinsic characteristic of the language, claiming otherwise is just memes.
Information density is, on the other hand quite a true aspect of language.
And no, density was not the reason English became lingua franca.
>>62134308
I just looked them up. I use them constantly but had no clue what the tenses were. Fucking past II perfect simple or whatever. No wonder people don't like learning it.
I stand by the lack of gendering most nouns though. Why worry about el or la coche if you can just say the car.
>>62134587
A tree doesn't, a penis does
>>62131833
The alternatives were the cancerous entity known as French and German which sounds evil and the speakers of which have a knack for losing every war they get themselves into
>his language doesn't even have dual
They made movies.
That's it.
>>62133104
1 million words
>>62135407
>penis
A penis is the symbol of masculinity if you can't figure out it's masculine you're retarded.
>>62135564
99% of english speakers use roughly 600, and can recognize maybe few thousands
>>62135572
If it's masculine, why do you call it "it" instead of "he"?
>>62131833
>16 pointless tenses
w-what?
>>62134858
Yeah, although thank fuck we don't have a subjunctive.
Shitty bite thread.
Russian is great but English is greater.
>>62135799
I do remember from school that English had a lot of nonsense with tenses.
Luckily no one learns the language from school.
>languages where words have gender
gendered versions of "the" or "a" really do confuse me.
>beard is feminine in french
It just seems redundant. Like if after every time I said he i added "the man" after it.
>>62135939
Genders have nothing to do with genders, you cis scum.
>>62134186
this
>>62135939
Beard is also feminine in Russian(and i assume in German). Genders are useless for an english speaker but it's okay for "us". Anyway if get rid of that we won't lost anything.
I'd rather 16 tenses than have to remember the """gender""" of every single noun in the language
>>62135734
Because "it" is not an organism with sex. It is part of an organism. The penis belongs to him. IT belongs to HIM. Referring to it like it's a person is restarted.
>>62131833
British Empire + American Soft Power
>>62136072
It's same as you don't have to REMEMBER which tense you should use. We never think about the gender before we speak it goes naturally.
I hate to link youtube cancer, but this video is on point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzAABMozs0
How do you take beautiful latin alphabet and fuck it up so hard?
>gendered nouns
Why would grass have a gender? It's an it, it's a thing, who gives a shit
>>62136137
if someone introduces a new word to the language, like "microwave" or something, do people just universally and immediately agree on the gender of the word?
English is really good for conveying shit fast exactly because it's so clipped and simplified
>>62136072
Not in Slavic languages where gender is defined by the suffix of the word.
>>62136207
that makes it even weirder. So it's like
>The, which is a woman, table(which is a woman)
>>62136182
yes because in slavic languages you don't use compounding, you add inflectional affixes
these are always gendered
>>62136096
In Dutch we have three articles (the, it, an) that depend on the gender.
the = used for males and females.
it = genderless
The man, the woman, it house.
>>62136277
derivational affixes*
though technically they are inflectional as well
>>62136277
how do you mean? do new words get constructed from existing root words, like in ancient greek or something?
>>62135734
"he" and "she" are used for people, and sometimes animals, not objects or parts of people or animals.
>>62136325
basically yes
gender depends on which affixes you add to root words, people rarely argue about these
>>62136311
a / an is the same as in English. Undetermined.
>>62136325
Sometimes a word becomes russified.
Microwave is Mikrovolnovka\Mikrovolnovaja Petch(microwave furnace) so it has '-a' on its ending it usually means female gender.
Calculator is Kalkulator so it goes with male gender.
>>62136325
Yes. Lithuanian is not a Slavic language but it also does it.
Mokslas - science
Mokykla - school
Mokytojas - teacher
And the ending determines the gender. If it ends in a vowel it's feminine.
>>62136478
Because of Balto-Slavic branch. Our languages have same roots.
>>62136497
Yes. The grammar is almost identical but the vocabulary is completely different.
>>62136539
say 6 in lithuanian
>>62135633
Sounds pretty efficient to me.
>>62136560
šeši
We don't have an official body that regulates the nature and usage of the language, and we tend to be less anal when dialects vary, so you end up with places like Jamaica where technically everyone speaks English but in practice you have to be a bit patient to work through everything being said by a Jamaican.
I don't know how much other languages tolerate butchered pidgin-speak
>You want come park?
>I no go, too hot.
and that sort of thing, but English seems to function well enough with that level of irregularity and lots of Anglophones can work through that level of pidgin, which I suspect helps its spread.
>>62135633
The only English word i know is blimey. The rest is American.
>>62136595
you're a slav
>>62131833
Non-animacy gender is literally the most useless feature for a language to have. Even the rare case of verb evidentiality is better.
>>62131833
>no useless genders for inanimate objects
>a bad thing
>>62136653
We probably got the numerals before the Balto-Slavic split.
Tikriausiai skaitvardžius turėjome prieš išsišakojant mūsų kalbų šeimoms.
Now tell me how much of that is Slavic.
>>62136262
I have no idea what you mean. Table is miza in Slovene. Because it ends with a it has a female declension.
>>62134788
I have met people from all over Europe and nobody speaks as annoyingly fast as people from your country. Some of them don't even understand the concept of "please speak slower". Yet they still talk just as much as people from other countries. So a majority of those "fast" words must be bullshit.
>>62136821
musu = nasze, related
pries = przed, related
the rest is ayylium-tier
>>62131833
>>62134308
>>62135799
>>62135897
>>62136072
Just a reminder that English has only two grammatical, morphologically marked tenses - past and present (non-past). The rest are analytical, and not synthetic constructions. . Futurity, and the progressive and non-progressive(perfect) aspects are not tenses.
>t. Linguist
>>62136878
actually right
>>62136539
>The grammar is almost identical but the vocabulary is completely different
Not really. Actually it's opposite.
>>62136624
Both slavic and romance languages are more lenient about that stuff because word order often doesn't matter. In Russian you can have sentences without object or subject, you can place adjectives in the most random places and it still werks
>>62136868
It's actually so fun when i read slavic languages. Miza is definitely Miska in Russian. Can you write a sentence for me? Just anything. Same goes to Poles.
>>62136946
prepositions are fixed and/or work in collocations, though
not to the same extent as in fucking Japanese but still
>>62136946
>romance languages
Not true since they don't have case.
>having tenses
>having articles
>having genders
>having cases
>having plurals
>having adverbs
>>62136873
We borrowed kurwa by the way, hope you won't mind.
>>62136939
How so?
>>62136976
język polski tym się różni od rosyjskiego, że znacznie większy nacisk kładzie na funkcję orzeczenia w zdaniu i niemożliwym jest, by go tak sobie pominąć
"zdania" bez orzeczenia nazywa się po polsku "równoważnikami" i mają dosyć rzadki charakter
>>62136976
>Miza is definitely Miska in Russian.
No. Miza is a loanword ultimately from Latin mensa. Miska with it's "k" is inrelated.
>>62136168
That video made my day.
>>62137001
>being a caveman
>>62137037
Polish language is different from Russian in such, that meaning ??? the function of ??? and are impossible, ??? to understand yourself
??? without ??? is called "równoważnikami" in Polish and have ??? character
rate
>>62137079
>No
miska has the same etymology, just different meaning
>>62136182
That's pretty easy actually:
If the word ends with -a, it becomes feminine
If the word ends with -o or -e, it becomes neuter
If the word ends with a hard consonant, it is masculine
If the word ends with a soft or shibilant consonant, you roll the dice, and it becomes either masculine or feminine
>>62137159
>That's pretty easy actually:
>If the word ends with a soft or sibilant consonant, you roll the dice, and it becomes either masculine or feminine
Hmm...
>>62137142
No it doesn't. Russian miska isn't from Latin like miza is.
>>62136976
Če povem po pravici, jeziki brez dvojine in spolov sploh niso jeziki.
And a tongue twister: Pešec prečka cestišče.
Another one: Pikčasta ptička v pikčasti kletki.
It sounds really weird to me that my familyname ends -a but when you talk about me in the language that have declension rule based on gender, my familyname changes (many case -a is female noun)
>>62137037
Without any translator.
Polish language is different from Russian, the meaning...puts more accent on function..and impossible... so so... without marking(?) our in Polish equivalents and enough character.
I don't undestand: orzeczenia, zdaniu (building?), pominąć, rzadki (rare?)
>>62137159
>If the word ends with a soft or shibilant consonant, you roll the dice, and it becomes either masculine or feminine
Like what?
>>62136878
I should study properly how English works at some point. Might be interesting, or at the very least I can use that with muh Nip and teach English abroad.
>>62137223
http://etymological.academic.ru/2848/%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0
>>62137244
I'm pretty sure most languages don't decline foreign words. At least Italian doesn't. Kinda how we don't say 'sushis', because it's a foreign word from a language that works differently and trying to shove it into our system like that would sound stupid.
>>62137251
predicate is more vital than the subject
orzeczenie - predicate
zdanie - preposition
pominąć - to skip
rzadki - rare
>>62137159
>If the word ends with -a, it becomes feminine
юнoшa
>If the word ends with -a, it becomes feminine
вpeмя
>>62137159
Is it consistent in Russian? Because Bulgarian has exceptions. We work on a mixed basis of semantics and endings. For example words ending in
-a
would normally be feminine but
бaщa = father
is, of course, masculine.
Also, words, ending in
-o
usually are neuter but
вyйчo = uncle (brother of your mother)
ends in -o but is masculine
It's an almost perfect system, but...almost
>>62137189
>>62137353
>Is it consistent in Russian?
Nah, of course not. It never is with genders and cases. That's why they are a fucking cancer.
>>62137243
It's ... truth, languages without double... not langugages?
What's this: in spolov sploh
It's seems more far away than Polish.
>>62137333
>вpeмя
It's one of a very few exceptions
>>62136645
mah nigga
>>62137261
What "like what"?
>>62137333
>>62137353
I was talking about borrowed inanimate words. Look at the post I was answering on.
>>62137330
We do.
>>62137418
"To tell you the truth, languages without dual and genders aren't languages at all."
The tongue twisters are: "Pedestrian crosses the road." and "Dotted bird in a dotted cage."
Death to grammatical cases.
>>62137261
fem: любoвь, мopкoвь, кpoвь
masculine: oгoнь, бopщ
>>62137559
t. caveman
>>62137274
They probably won't need this. High-school grammar is very simplified and made to ease people's communication. That is, not to make them study the language, just use it.
>>62137330
We decline them only if they end with -a or a consonant.
>>62137614
Go away Janez. English has no cases and it's now the world language. This proves it.
>>62137538
Yeah i actually understood the ttwisters.
Pikčasta ptička v pikčasti kletki.
Pjatnistaja ptichka v pjatnistoi kletke. - Rus.
>>62137603
But it's not random like that guy implied it to be.
>>62137678
>world's easiest language is popular for communication between people from all over the world
Wow, surprising. Fyromian intellectuals strike again.
>>62137330
But if the words fit their rule, sometimes it would change.
Idk it's true or not, I heard that persimmon is called cachi (plural) in Italian, and its single form is caco.
In fact, cachi is derived from kaki( japanese). However, we don't have plural form for kaki so there's no kako thing in japanese language.
And my friend told me when
I am mentioned in polish, firstname won't change (it ends -u) but my familyname will change.
What are feminists going to do with gendered languages now that they're creating all these new genders?
>>62137849
Rude.
>>62137559
Grammatical case are actually a decent feature. They can be replaced with other things, (like using a preposition "to" rather than a dative), but having cases (or not having cases) is fine either way.
Gender is useless however and adds huge complication for a super super situational possible benefit. Animacy is a much better system.
>>62137761
the hell are you doing in Straya?
>>62137244
Isnt it that many names ending in -a are female names?
Say, here Mika (based on Michael most likely) is mans name but in Nipponland it is female name.
>>62137761
>бaндepoль (feminine, III declension)
>тюль (masculine, II declension)
Both end with -ль, both are borrowed from French. What is it if not random?
>>62132032
> do people sat and decided how dense will be information in language, or was it natural process?
Of course not. Most languages evolve naturally.
>>62135821
> thank fuck we don't have a subjunctive.
Of course we do, you moron.
why do russians use 6 and 3 in their alphabet as B and Z?
>>62138009
No, Mika is surely obvious female name but, for example, ○太(-ta) this is popular for male name, and ○子 (-ko) is obviously female name.
There is tendency that what kanji/sounds represent male or female but no relative with ending which vowel.
>>62138347
>english has a subjunctive
since fuckin when
>anglos are stupid enough to think we actually consider a table "male" and a door "female"
>they believe there's more behind this than just grouping nouns together for easy declension
Whoever came up with the system of noun "gender" needs to be hanged
>>62138554
Since forever.
If you were ever to study it, you would understand.
>>62131833
>How did this meme become lingua franca
We were clever with our empire.
>>62138554
>>62138642
I suggest that the subjunctive be next on your list of study.
>>62138642
This guy says that only shit like "I suggest that you be careful" is subjunctive and what you used is "the very restricted irrealis form were"
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4042
>>62138642
Is there ever a time where we change something into a special form when it is not necessarily true?
>>62138851
Don't believe everything thing Rosen has to say on anything. The man's an amateur.
>>62138582
Jeez, this. Nobody actually thinks of gendered nouns as having property or traits related to feminity or masculinity. Its just an easy, and sorta poetic way to structurize cases
>>62138875
Well fuck me, don't use it much though.
>>62132032
It's a natural process.
>>62138875
One should use it whenever doubt or possibility is implied. The Latin scholars would have us use it in every subordinate clause, but that would sound too flowery and un-English.
Most natives don't understand the subjunctive, so never use it.
It's a tell-tale sign of an educated person, when one does see it. Very subtle.
>>62138917
> Geoffrey K. Pullum
I don't know who Rosen is, Pullum is a coauthor of 'The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language' which doesn't seem like an amateur work to me (and I'm not in the field but from my perception the book is pretty influential and well-recieved among descriptivists)
>>62131833
At least it's simple. Too bad such a primitive language became international.
>>62139074
Rosen is the (((guy))) prompting that blog post. He is an opponent of teaching English grammar to English schoolchildren. A cretin.
>His "language" isn't unnecessarly complicated
>>62139021
Alright yeah I'm seeing it now, condescending prick. It's definitely harder to notice though, we only usually change third person singular.
>>62139279
I suggest that you not be too upset.
>>62139451
oi now you're just being cheeky
>>62139234
This.
>>62136645
Butthurt
>>62131887
Is there anything Anglos aren't the best at?
>>62131833
>How did this meme become lingua franca?
>>62131833
Simple, Europe teamed up against Napoleon.
>>62139074
Do they ever touch each others foreskin and then Pullum?
>>62140553
Forgot pic
>>62140735
When did we get invaded by the UK?
>>62140735
>UK was invaded by UK
>>62138487
Allrighty.
>>62136872
That's not a "language" thing, but a cultural thing.
Regardless, I still don't understand this "Spaniards speak fast" meme.
>>62135734
there is a he penis on the floor LMAO
NICE LANGUAGE IVAN
>>62143265
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you are simply pretending to be retarded.
>>62131887
Хyйня из-пoд кoня тбх
>>62140735
>Poland
>>62141176
The British army occupies it to this day.
>>62135939
>>62136030
Can confirm, also feminine in Spanish
>>62137958
>Grammatical case are actually a decent feature.
Not really. Cases do the same work that prepositions do but in a more irrational way.
>>62131833
Best deal with it, nerd.
>>62136168
kek, good video tbqh.
>having gender
>but instead of it being built into the word itself, you must always place an article before that noun
what the fuck german and romances
>>62140999
nice trips
illyrian provinces were part of the french empire, i guess
>>62136168
Wait, the x makes a "ks" or a "ts" sound?
Why does English...
...call a baby "it"?
...call a ship "she"?
>>62155041
Why not?
>>62155041
>call a baby "it"
maybe if you don't give a shit about the baby.
>call a ship "she"
All ships are shes obviously, only faggots sail on he's.
>>62136753
This.
OP you're retarded if you think gender-specific words are a good thing.
