Moscow vs Dubai
Poll: http://poal.me/x8bny
Battle of Skylines Round 1 Battle 1
The bracket
>>62076356
Who won last time? I Remember only you being buttblasted that Paris won over Bangkok. Where are European cities?
Moscow
>>62076612
>Who won last time?
pic rel
>>62076612
>Where are European cities?
lost in the group stage
>>62076689
>>62076768
>>62077168
>>62077293
Tel Aviv
Moscow
Dubai
>>62077824
>>62077859
>>62077903
>>62077971
>>62078112
the buildings in Dubai look so futuristic but the city looks so... dead? devoid of any culture, just for show, etc.
>>62076734
>>62076356
Don't you think this is a bit shit? I know there are some new cities but if places like NYC/HK are in then they are probably going to win anyway.
Why not make one that only uses second-rate skylines.
>>62078317
every time
>>62076305
you should open a poll at one time, close it after 12 hours, and then create a new poll of the same round for 12 more hours
a recommendation
Mang i really hope the weaboos wont let Tokyo win over Hongkong.
>>62078563
Objectively speaking both Shanghai and Dubai are already top 1 contenders so no.
fuck
oh thanks God I saved the thread it was on 11th page
lets atleast have like 50 votes
>>62076356
Moscow, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Singapore, Chongqing
>>62086091
>Moscow over Dubai
wew Moscow is not even in the same league is like putting San Francisco over NYC
>>62086091
also Chongqing over Chicago?
dat comfyness
>>62078250
I have never seen a photo of that highway with more than a few cars on it.
>>62086156
Dubai has height, and a few top tier skyscrapers. But the rest is fucking trash.
Its literally become a dumping ground for architecture firms.
Just look at the shit in that pic. Its like a Los Vegas casinos take on what a futuristic city should look like, down to the cheap precast and shitty glass.
>>62076305
While I think that Moscow is a nice city in general, I must admit that there's ONLY ONE FUCKING SKYSCRAPER DISTRICT there, called "Moscow-City", the one you can see on most of the "oh-look-at-how-modern-Moscow-is" photos. And it still isn't finished, when you actually walk there, there are prefab shelters and dirt all over the place.
>>62086156
Dubai is a soulless, Las Vegas-tier city that has nothing noteworthy aside from a few tall buildings.
>>62079116
this.
>>62076734
Everyone was asleep for the HK VS Shanghai
>>62086346
>I have never seen a photo of that highway with more than a few cars on it.
Is that one of these memes trying to prove that Dubai is a "soulless" place "without culture" and is in fact quite empty? Well Dubai surely isn't really that crowded but it's certainly lively it's just most of the pics of that road are taken at early/night hours.
>Dubai has height
Dubai doesn't just "have height", Dubai has the tallest skyscraper in the world and the largest number of supertalls in the world. It's a skyline on steroids.
>But the rest is fucking trash.
>there are a lot of trashy buildings in Dubai
Wow what a news, if a city has 170 skyscrapers yes atleast some of them are going to be shitty. And that's true for every single city with a high numbers of skyscrapers: NYC, HK, Shanghai, even Chicago has some really shit ones.
And what does Moscow have against Dubai's 22 supertalls? 1 decent modernist cluster? Meh.
>>62086662
kek every time, what does being "soulless" and "having nothing noteworthy aside from a few tall buildings" have to do with this thread? Do you know this entire competition and this poll is exclusively about tall buildings?
>>62086815
Fuck, I'm sorry. Didn't read the OP that well, didn't see skylines. Thought it was just the cities in general.
>>62076356
>>62087150
In that case Dubai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Chicago
>>62087353
>Seoul
Have you ever seen the Guangzhou's skyline?
Pic rel
Ok posting sum Moscow now
>>62076305
This is ridiculous, that scyscrapper area is not in any way central to Moscow it's just a nice addition in the outskirts. Real Moscow is kinda like picrelated
>>62090709
yes the thread is about this specific skyscraper area against Dubai
>>62086815
>Is that one of these memes trying to prove that Dubai is a "soulless" place "without culture" and is in fact quite empty? Well Dubai surely isn't really that crowded but it's certainly lively it's just most of the pics of that road are taken at early/night hours.
Nah, its just strange that they build such a massive highway through things yet have such light traffic on it. Dubai is also a case of very poor urban planning.
>Dubai doesn't just "have height", Dubai has the tallest skyscraper in the world and the largest number of supertalls in the world. It's a skyline on steroids.
Yes, I know that all you give a shit about is pure height and the aesthetics of things is meaningless to you.
>Wow what a news, if a city has 170 skyscrapers yes atleast some of them are going to be shitty. And that's true for every single city with a high numbers of skyscrapers: NYC, HK, Shanghai, even Chicago has some really shit ones.
Its not a few shit ones. Its almost all of them save a handful of decently designed an excuted buildings.
You know how people here shit all over brutalism? Well in 50 or so years people will be shitting over all the hideous pomo towers in dubai.
>Do you know this entire competition and this poll is exclusively about tall buildings?
If its purely about tall buildings then what is the point of these threads? You can objectively measure that and put out a list.
But hey, what other argument can you put up right? Its not like you can argue your point on aesthetic, historical or technological grounds. All you do is
>muh height!
Which is the most cancerous type of skyscraper fan there is.
>>62090762
>>62091177
>>62092460
>how you want your buildings sempai
>just miami my shit up!
Proof positive that money cant buy taste
But hey, they have a bunch of VE'd to hell and back towers so its OMG AMAZING
>>62076356
Moscow, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Chicago
>>62076356
Why did Toronto not even make it to the first round?
Smhtbhfam
>>62093304
/int/ wants to deport THIS?
>>62093304
Because OP will literally change/fuck with the poll as much as possible so chink cities win. Which makes it kinda strange that toronto didn't make it.
>>62093069
>Nah, its just strange that they build such a massive highway through things yet have such light traffic on it. Dubai is also a case of very poor urban planning.
Nope. It's just they built as they would be building for a much larger metropolis, they expect that Dubai will keep growing at astounding rate. We'll see, for now it has population of "only" 2.5 millions.
>Yes, I know that all you give a shit about is pure height and the aesthetics of things is meaningless to you.
Nah, but not the best aesthetics don't make a skyscraper worth nothing for a skyline. It doesn't magically dissapear. It's still nice to have a such, it still conitrbutes to the silhouette
>Its almost all of them save a handful of decently designed an excuted buildings.
wow nice horseshit, all of the recent projects are pretty good, Burj Khalifa is a fucking masterpiece, stop talking shit
>You know how people here shit all over brutalism?
maybe on /pol/, actually a lot of people in this general appreciate brutalism
>Well in 50 or so years people will be shitting over all the hideous pomo towers in dubai.
ok mr prophet
but I'm already disgusted by early kitschy cheap towers in Dubai, pretty sure they will get demolished in the next 50 years though
>If its purely about tall buildings then what is the point of these threads?
>All you do is
>>muh height!
clearly you don't get it
these threads are about skyline
and while how do you exactly rate a skyline is an arguable thing still most of people would probably agree that the size, height, composition, quality, density are the most important things which define the skyline
and you are just saying an absolute top tier skyline is worth nothing because you don't like its architectural style
pretty sure if that thread was Dubai vs Warsaw you would still argue that Warsaw is somehow better than Dubai
>>62093304
I'm trying to figure it out right now
Ok apparently Toronto was in Group G, together with Dubai, Tokyo and Jakarta.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10415202/r
I don't really know why it wouldn't make it, I personally regard it as top 10 skyline.
>>62093779
>size
check
>height
check
>composition, quality, density
kek
>>62094271
not worse than Moscow in any of these cathegories and completely another league in terms of size and height
>>62094432
Nah, Moscow may be "tiny", but it's leagues better in the latter three points if you ask me. Could use some work on ground level, but for what it is, it's great. That's just a matter of taste, though, but taste is ultimately what this falls down to, innit?
>>62093153
>implying all skyscrapers dont look the same everywhere
mayybe older skyscraper cities like new york, the rest will al have the same postmodern cheesy look
>>62094820
>Nah, Moscow may be "tiny", but it's leagues better in the latter three points if you ask me.
nope density is not subjective Dubai Marina has the same density as the MIBC
when it comes to composition the only cluster Moscow has is pretty good, Dubai Marina of course is pretty good aswell (honestly the main thing about "composition" is density I don't think it should be a category on its own) - the rest of Dubai absolutely not but Dubai atleast have some more than few skyscrapers...
When it comes to "quality" it's almost purely subjective, imo both Dubai and Moscow don't excel at it, Dubai has a lot of cheap, kitschy shit, a lot of the towers are repetitive, but it also has Burj Khalifa and Cayan Tower which are both really good, Moscow is a modernist blue glass spam, nothing really great but also not bad, there are no actually shit tier skyscrapers there
>>62095494
postmodernist skyscrapers prevail in the Middle East (Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Tel Aviv) but not really that much in the rest of the world
most of the largest projects (Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower, The Shard) are neo-futurist
>Dubai losing against Moscow
>
>>62076305
holy shit just look at that pic
how the fuck would anyone sane vote for the upper city yet its 32:16 my sides
>>62102303
Because most people can see that dubai is by and large value engineered pomo trash
>>62102418
the poll is about skylines and as you can see in the OP it's ~12 fat blue glassed blocks against 70(and that's like 1/3 of Dubai's skyline) one of the tallest buildings on Earth
your opinion on what Dubai is is irrelevant and offtopic
The best question is how exactly Dubai managed to win it's group especially with Toronto in(actually good skyline, not like Moscow) but I guess it's just the small vote count.
>>62096452
thats all post modern, we're living in postmodern times with no end in sight
>>62102576
>the poll is about skylines
>most of people would probably agree that the size, height, composition, quality, density are the most important things which define the skyline
so cheap as fuck ve'd precast pomo towers count as quality?
or does quality just not count with dubai because you are all about
>muh height!
>>62102749
shhh, let him think neo-futurist is an actual architectural movement
>>62102749
I don't know what times we live in but I know post-modern architecture isn't the "newest" one.
pic rel is "neo-futurist"
>>62102960
pic rel is "post-modern"
>shhh, let him think neo-futurist is an actual architectural movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism
>>62102905
you can exclude 100 towers from Dubai's skyline, it still has 10x more towers than Moscow fucking kek
>>62102905
and what are you so butthurt about?
>>62103081
>you can exclude 100 towers from Dubai's skyline, it still has 10x more towers than Moscow fucking kek
Then just make a list of cities by number/density/height and be done with it. Because what the fuck is the point of this thread if all you want is some objective measure of things?
Aesthetics of the skyline are subjective, and this is why dubai is getting btfo by moscow in the poll. You may go nuts over total height and density, but not everyone else does.
So keep talking about how great dubai is since it has a bunch of towers, and I'll keep shitting on it because most of that stuff is vegas/miami tier pomo made with the cheapest materials possible - outside of maybe a dozen showcase towers they actually spent decent money on and had non-slave labor make.
>>62076305
>TFW Tatlins Tower will never be built
>>62103659
It looks like it would be a fun rollercoaster ride
>>62103467
>few blue glassed showcase fat modernist blocks
>quality
oh im laughing
>You may go nuts over total height and density, but not everyone else does.
Nah, everyone else goes with some stupid meme prejudice, no one sane will vote for 10x smaller skyline. Sure some towers are shit. Maybe a lot. But as I said. Exclude 75% of towers from Dubai. Exclude even Burj Khalifa. Dubai is still better and larger. You are just keep ignoring it because it's not white or something.
>and I'll keep shitting on it because most of that stuff is vegas/miami tier pomo made with the cheapest materials possible
hmm... are buildings in pic related "cheap"?
>>62103467
and I guess I'll add this
While dubai has more skyscrapers than moscow, atleast the russians have some real native character to their buildings
Stalins skyscrapers may not have been resounding aesthetic achievements, but they tried their hand at making a new form of skyscraper with a uniquely russian approach to things.
What does dubai have? A bunch of standard concrete core towers with bits and pieces of islamic/me design tacked on here and there. Just enough to make it look "middle eastern" but in a kind of cheap and inoffensive disneyland sort of way. There isn't anything properly contextual about the cities architecture, or even anything fucking native about it.
Dubai is ultimately just taking the current standard form of international architecture/urban planning and 'localizing' it in the easiest way possible so they can make bank off rich people looking for real estate to sop up.
>>62103873
>Nah, everyone else goes with some stupid meme prejudice, no one sane will vote for 10x smaller skyline.
Then stop making these polls every few months and just make a 100% true listing based off of height and density.
Because every time these threads are made you end up getting booty blasted since not everyone goes nuts over the same shit you do.
So rather than dumping a ton of photos when the poll doesnt go your way just make a fucking list of things on the qualities you care about and be done with it.
>hmm... are buildings in pic related "cheap"?
Yes, value engineered to within and inch of their life, shitty precast concrete facades with cheap chink glass. They look nice from a distance but there is a reason why most architecture critics shit on these buildings. They are build like trash.
>>62104017
And before you say
>omg they are quality
This is what fucking quality in materials means in skyscraper design. Bronze, terracotta tiles and nice quality glass.
Colored precast concrete is not high quality
>>62076734
>Seattle beat Toronto
fucking what? lmao
>>62103898
>Stalins skyscrapers may not have been resounding aesthetic achievements, but they tried their hand at making a new form of skyscraper with a uniquely russian approach to things.
No, Stalin skyscrapers are more of cheap copies of American art deco than any reference to traditional Russian architecture.
Entire Soviet architecture is cheap, poor and if there are any decorations at all they are mostly kitsch. And funny thing you are hating on Dubai for the very same things.
>>62103898
>What does dubai have?
The tallest building in the world with a design based on the desert flower and emboding traditional islamic spiral minaret. Also some other buildings notably in Dubai Marina resemble minarets aswell. Not some top tier references, still better than fucking >Stalin architecture. >>62104017
>Then stop making these polls every few months
they were being made every year so far t b h
>Because every time these threads are made you end up getting booty blasted since not everyone goes nuts over the same shit you do.
the only one who is buttblasted here is you, judging from your constant sperging
>>62104017
>Yes, value engineered to within and inch of their life, shitty precast concrete facades with cheap chink glass.
Yeah I wonder where $2.17 billions for Princess Tower went, apparently it has cheap chink glass and shitty precast facades.
Anyway some of the Dubai buildings clearly lack quality, but you can exclude all of them and still you are left with 5x larger skyline than Moscow's.
>They look nice from a distance but there is a reason why most architecture critics shit on these buildings.
Are they shitting on Princess Tower though?
>>62104762
sometimes people just vote for memes (like now) sometimes polls are rigged
>>62103081
sounds like a meme, its the same eclectisism thats been going on for the last decades, use of tech and futuristic aesthetic is nothing new, no divergent values. id have to read that "manifesto", but really, there's nothing that sets what is described there apart, and some works mentioend there belong to other styles that are encompassed by postmodernism. deconstructivism was way more of a "next phase" but its still part of postmodern
i mean yeah, if you wanna call it a trend sure but architecture is not fashion and time will tell if its really a style or not. when its looked back upon,itll have to be something really differing that changes the current paradigm. everything as of now are marginal changes.
>>62103873
>few blue glassed showcase fat modernist blocks
Glass is beautiful. Moscow's towers are pretty much all beautiful. How they work with each other is in a beautiful manner. Each tower holds its own as a delicious piece of architecture, while still having a natural place in the cluster.
Dubai, looking outside from the planning, is regardless too overshadowed by off-looking and depressively tacky (imo) towers. It should have been more like Doha, where the beige residential towers that blend into the surrounding dunes are less overwhelming.
But of course, that's just my taste. Not taking sides here. There's nothing to refute. Move on.
>>62104821
I wouldn't call soviet architecture pretty, but some buildings were definitely interesting. They liked investing in their art, for what it is worth.
OP's picture is shit regardless because it is zoomed into one tiny part of the city.
I'd rather Dubai in my opinion, for whatever that is worth. Warsaw has had a lot of tower construction in the last 20 years, no?
>>62104910
New York is fantastic. Walking around you feel like every building has its own story. Skyline is cool, but from the ground it is something else. Didn't expect that.
Want to visit more big cities now.
>>62105000
>OP's picture is shit regardless because it is zoomed into one tiny part of the city.
No both these pictures are good as both of them are good representation of skylines of Dubai and Moscow. And that was the point.
>>62104923
>Each tower holds its own as a delicious piece of architecture
is that a meme
>>62104910
Postmodernism in architecture is a very specific thing of its own, though. It's the style which combines the modern with the past. Neo-futurism fits in plain modernism, not the postmodern.
>>62076734
When was this again?
Was it a year ago?
>>62086815
Literally the only criteria you use for a skyline is how tall the buildings are. Jesus Dubai is ugly as fuck.
>>62105239
yes that was a year ago
>>62104910
I don't even know what to respond.
Maybe this: do you describe The Shard as postmodern?
>>62105468
Awesome.
Well done bringing it back - I followed it pretty actively last time.
>>62104821
>No, Stalin skyscrapers are more of cheap copies of American art deco than any reference to traditional Russian architecture.
they take their ques much more from peter the greats era neoclassicism
>The tallest building in the world with a design based on the desert flower and emboding traditional islamic spiral minaret. Also some other buildings notably in Dubai Marina resemble minarets aswell. Not some top tier references, still better than fucking
It was designed that way because SOM knew that a giant tripod was the most effective means of hitting that height. The desertflower/symbolism was an outgrowth of this, not the other way around.
And most of their references to native architecture is making hideous crowns
like
>>62103873
Which isn't all that different from some of the earliest skyscrapers in new york. Take traditional elements and slap it on a tall building without care for scaling or cohesion. Its an awkward result.
>the only one who is buttblasted here is you, judging from your constant sperging
Yet you are the one who starts to spam the thread with pics when the city you prefer starts to lose.
>Yeah I wonder where $2.17 billions for Princess Tower went, apparently it has cheap chink glass and shitty precast facades.
Beats me. How they spent that much money and just covered the thing in duo-tone precast slabs is beyond me, but fools and their money....
>Anyway some of the Dubai buildings clearly lack quality, but you can exclude all of them and still you are left with 5x larger skyline than Moscow's.
Yeah, understanding why people wouldn't vote for a skyline based purely on numbers seems to be beyond you.
>sometimes people just vote for memes (like now) sometimes polls are rigged
and you literally vote based on
>height
>density
thats it
>>62105175
>is that a meme
Why would it be? The towers in the MIBC are awesome.
>>62105418
>Literally the only criteria you use for a skyline is how tall the buildings are.
no lemme explain my reasoning
here are the criteria I use to rate skyline and how did I rate both of these cities
Moscow
Size: 1/5
Height: 3/5
Density: 5/5
Quality: 4/5
Recognizeability: 4/5
Dubai:
Size: 5/5
Height: 5/5
Density: 3/5
Quality 2.5/5
Recognizeability: 5/5
Total scores
Dubai: 30.5
Moscow: 21
And now here's the thing. I multiply points for Size and Height by 2. Why? Because it's a skyline's rating. And the main feature of skylines is their size and height. Otherwise you can get 5 low amazing buildings, pack them tightly, score 5/5 for all the categories except for Size and Height and then somehow such a ""skyline"" can match NYC.
You are missing the point lads, it's a skyline competition, not architectural value competition(honestly barely any skyscrapers have outstanding architectural value)
of course I'm not some fucking autist I don't actually "rate" every skyline like this I don't count some """scores""" it was just to depict my reasoning
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>>62105837
>they take their ques much more from peter the greats era neoclassicism
no they don't
are we talking about the same things? I'm talking about Stalinist skyscrapers, not some residental low rises
also I don't recognize Peters the Great neoclassicism as an actual architectural style, it's just a cheap and kitsch rip off from Western Architecture, therefore anything deriving from it is automatically cheap and kitsch aswell
>>62105837
>It was designed that way because SOM knew that a giant tripod was the most effective means of hitting that height.
why the Kingdom Tower isn't a gigantic tripod then? and how exactly a gigantic tripod is more effective than any other tapering tower?
>Which isn't all that different from some of the earliest skyscrapers in new york. Take traditional elements and slap it on a tall building without care for scaling or cohesion.
You've just described stalinist architecture right?
>Yet you are the one who starts to spam the thread with pics when the city you prefer starts to lose.
Top fucking kek. I was "spamming" it with pics to make the poll reach atleast 50 votes and I said it in the beginning. I was "spamming" Moscow's pics aswell.
>>62105852
Which ones exactly?
>>62105977
>Otherwise you can get 5 low amazing buildings, pack them tightly, score 5/5 for all the categories except for Size and Height and then somehow such a ""skyline"" can match NYC.
Only if someone uses your autistic as fuck rational
>skyline competition
>not architectural value
Then there is no point in having a poll. Because aesthetics is subjective, but things like height and density are not.
So if all you care about is objective stuff like size/height/density then make a fucking list and be done with it.
Otherwise your just making a poll and bitching when people dont follow your criteria.
>>62105468
ofc
i encourage you to type "postmodern architecture" in google images, youll not only find similar buildings to the shard (even nearby, such as the gherkin), but those of architects mentioned in the neofuturism wiki page such as calatrava and zaha hadid
renzo piano, designer of the shard won the pritzker for "redefining modern and postmodernism" (hes a postmodern)
postmodern itself came about because technology advances allowed for a return of ornaments and forms in buildings, its a rejection of barebones modern. any design that indulges in form exploration, that doesnt follow any classical code of design, included. it encompasses the disorder we're living in.
>>62106258
>no they don't
They are pretty clearly taking things from russian style neoclassical. If you think those things are deco, then you dont know deco.
>why the Kingdom Tower isn't a gigantic tripod then?
It literally fucking is
>and how exactly a gigantic tripod is more effective than any other tapering tower?
It might help to read up a bit on the engineering and structural issues around skyskrapers. Maybe then you'll start to see that height isn't everything.
>You've just described stalinist architecture right?
Yes, the seven sisters have some of the same problems. But modern day dubai is doing the same thing, modern day russia isn't.
>Top fucking kek.
Can't wait for you to slide the poll when a chink city isn't winning.
>>62106317
have you read that post? it explains how do you miss the main features of a "skyline" which is basically making a good view from distance, like in the OP picture
thats why I don't really care that much about quality of specific towers etc, it has to make up for a good silhoutte, that's the main point of it
If you don't like it no one forces you to post here and vote in the polls, you can just leave
>>62106446
forgot pic of kindom tower
Not the clearest floor plate but you can see the tripod like arrangement
>>62106363
... and if you type Shenzhen in google you will get HK pics
do you really use google results as an argument?
>>62106452
>I only care about a silhouette
Then why are you even measuring shit like quality but not factors like massing, balance, ect?
And you are using your criteria for measuring a skyline. Dont get mad when others use their own standards to judge.
>>62106363
>calatrava and zaha hadid
find any actual source describing them as postmodern architects then
>>62106363
>renzo piano, designer of the shard won the pritzker for "redefining modern and postmodernism" (hes a postmodern)
then his other works are modern/postmodern and in 1998 neo-futurist architecture wasnt really a thing, it has launched post 2000
>>62106624
>>I only care about a silhouette
*I care about silhoutte more than about the design of specific buildings because the thread is about the skyline as a whole not about the design of specific buildings
>>62106709
>find any actual source describing them as postmodern architects then
>hadid
She is literally deconstructionist which is literally a branch of postmodernism
>Moscow
>Metropolitan city
Moscow's got one business district with skyscrapers, it's built like LA in that it was built to be wide instead of tall, the opposite of Dubai. It's 100x nicer than Dubai in that it has hundreds of years of culture and developed its own culture and architectural style instead of cheap "Neo-futurism" that contractors lose their shit over because it's so functionally bare-bones it can be built much cheaper
>>62106751
>*I care about silhoutte more than about the design of specific buildings because the thread is about the skyline as a whole not about the design of specific buildings
So why shouldn't the quality and design of buildings count? Your just claiming that on an individual basis they shouldn't count, but clearly the design of all the skyscrapers individually adds up.
Or are you just going to claim that massing is worthless now?
>>62106484
well ok I somehow thought it has a different shape
in Burj Khalifa this "tripod" thing is much more visible though, and it definitely resembles a flower, they took an effective design and emphasized it
>>62106546
i expected this answer. youre welcome to research on every result you find to see wether its postmodern. it was so you get the idea that just because the shard looks sleek and futuristic, in contrast to some miami or dubai buildings, it doesn't mean its not postmodern.
but i already mentioned that renzo piano is a postmodern architect, specifically for that reason, and some of his works are staples of postmodernist architecture
read an architctural history book with examples and see that im not making this up. the only reason people are coming up with new trendy names is because they pretend a new style is due
>>62106931
so according to this logic you apparently rate the quality of Dubai's buildings as 1(or maybe 0?) and Moscow's as I don't know 8? then yeah maybe it somehow adds up so Moscow ends up with a better rating then
>>62107115
>it was so you get the idea that just because the shard looks sleek and futuristic, in contrast to some miami or dubai buildings, it doesn't mean its not postmodern.
if two buildings look so different they are obviously fucking have 2 different architectural styles
find me any source calling buildings like the shard tokyo skytree "postmodern"
no one will call them like this, they are too different
its like calling some butthurt idiot coming up with an idea that Gothic is a made up style and actually all these cathedrals should be called "Romanesque"
Such a shame, Dubai vs HK atleast would make for a good OP picture, Moscow vs HK will be just a boring rape
>>62104216
Is that the Steinway facade, looks pretty good. But I feel like the actual tower is going to be almost too slim to the point that it just looks comical
>>62108164
>stop liking what I dont like
kek
>>62107303
the difference in romanesque and gothic is mostly about advances in structural design not looks
and youre wrong, calling anyone butthurt or idiot aint gonna change the facts m8
>>62108449
>the difference in romanesque and gothic is mostly about advances in structural design not looks
I'd say it was way more radical than that but it was essentially driven by new structural innovation
>>62108494
ofc, i phrased it incorrectly. meant to say that it was more profound that just looks, not that it was necesarily only about structure
>>62107115
>That feel when I visited the DPRK and Pyongyang was literally more lively and festive than my home city (Canberra)
Here's our beautiful Canberra skyline.
>>62109171
Looks cozy
>>62076734
>HK versus Shanghai only 18 votes in total
Shouldn't have counted as a poll
>>62109110
Really does make you think
>muh soulless commies meme
>>62109171
Supposedly the parliament building area is pretty JUST.
My friends from high school went to an all Boy's school in Canberra from age 13-16. Supposedly it even snowed a few times there, but rarely. Also, 2009 was a bad year.
>>62077368
What's that thin white building with the antenna in the center?
>>62076305
literally everything is better than Dubai by virtue of Dubai being a kitschy shithole
Soon.
>>62111427
>brooklyn will have a taller skyscraper then london
>fucking brooklyn
LOVING EVERY LAUGH
>>62111427
That billboard at the base of the building, though.
How tall is it supposed to be?
Moment of silence for the Chicago Spire, the building that was supposed to be the Burj Khalifa of the Western Hemisphere but which got BTFO by the late-2000s recession. The site is still just a hole in the ground for the foundation.
>>62105977
>of course I'm not some fucking autist
Lol.
>>62111609
that's a big park
>>62112261
Indeed. That's Central Park, and it's very fascinating that Manhattan still manages a million people while having a big chunk of it dedicated to that park.
>>62112261
>"Big park"
>>62112081
Thank fucking god.
Do you have eyes? Can you see the picture you posted and recognize that that would have been the most embarrassing, awful, shit-tier pile of steel and glass to have ever happened to the united states? The mangled remains of ground zero would have been less of a disaster.
>>62113523
Eh, while it doesn't fit in too terribly well with the rest of the skyline, and it's disconcertingly apart from it, it's still better than a lot of examples of brutalism I've seen, and I don't know of any other supertalls that deviate much from the design.
Apparently there's a new concept for the unused site, with the same height and all. http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/6/3/11852370/chicago-architecture-spire-concept-gensler-gateway-tower
>>62111427
I like it.
>>62112081
F for the dildo that could have been.
