I regret trying to learn Japanese.
5 years ago I started learning Japanese after a trip to Tokyo. I didn't study every day but I put into it enough hours to have learned another European language fluently in that time frame.
Since then I've met and talked to many Japanese people and discovered I hate their fake personalities and their shitty prison like culture. I've become able to read short articles and some manga in Japanese, I recognize a lot of the dialogue in Japanese tv drama. But that reward is small compared to the effort I put in.
I don't enjoy anime and manga anymore, I can't stand j-drama anymore and I have no intention of spending time in Japan except for the occasional summer holidays. Japanese people make Nordic autists seem socially adap, and their general autistic behavior is probably the biggest reason I dropped learning more japanese.
All that time spent on learning Japanese I could have spent learning a language spoken by less socially awkward people such as Spanish or French. Or I could have spent that time learning a worthwhile skill such as programming.
Don't make the same mistake as I did. If you intend to learn Japanese remember you will learn a language you rarely will use after your interest in anime and manga fades off. A language of some of the most socially inept people outside of Finland and Russia. It's not worth it. Your time is limited and valuable, use it on something worthwhile.
lol dude you could've learned this about them without learning japanese
sucks for you
>>62062214
OK dude chill lmoa 大丈夫?
Theyre not socially inept, they just hate foreigners. face it. Japs are just racist as fuck and they don't like to talk to Non Japs.
>>62062226
I was infatuated at first. But I grew more and more frustrated by how two-faced japanese people are and how strict they're about everything.
I'met a lot of people from South-America in the same time-frame and the contrast between latinos who can talk and joke about anything and Japanese who take everything so seriously and can't express their emotions like the autists they are really highlighted how fucked up Japanese culture is.
>>62062281
T. Tyrone
>>62062281
Nah, they're not racists. Certainly not more than Europeans.
hontonigomenyo
nihongowaminanotamedewaarimasen
>>62062414
Yes, they are. Also, white Europeans and Americans are generally more accepting and loving then Japs you, dumbshit.
>>62062390
I was typing this on my phone so there were typin errors, obviously.
Also, you'd rather agree that your country is full of autistic then? Because that's the only other explaination.
>>62062281
>le xenophobic meme
I 100% guarantee you've never been to Japan
>>62062461
We grew that "autistic" way
Japanese people either dont like foreigner culture because its too weird or wants to et fucked by it because its too dofferent
>>62062452
I bet you've never been to Europe you retard, nor have you been anywhere close to Japan.
K
>>62062548
Shut up white pig!! China shall rule over pathetic Japan soon, while your countries turn to shit!!
>>62062578
white europeans and americans are not more accepting or loving
t. Chinaman
>>62062214
>your interest in anime and manga fades off
You think this is the only reason people want to learn Japanese?
>fades off
It's been 10 years now, if it hasn't faded by now I don't when it will
>>62062607
Traitor!
>>62062634
How old are you?
>>62062214
Maybe you are the retarded autist, and people you meet wont open up to you? I've met some of the kindest people I've met in my life here. Im from norway btw
>>62062641
believe it or not a lot of chinese people learn japanese as a second language
norway is oil jew
t.my granny
>>62062711
We were jews before oil too
自分は4年ぐらい勉強してるんですが I don't regret it at all, how else am I going to play my Japanese mobile games and watch niconico stuff
If you learn Japanese you have much more new entertainment available than most other languages aside from English of course
>>62062214
Too long
>>62062214
Don't learn japanese you stupid weeaboo faggot.
Try French:
Vive la France !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g [Embed]
Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
>>62062682
Lies, they are all traitors!
>>62062776
Fuck off frog.
>>62062795
a lot of early republican intellectuals and early commies studied in japan
>>62062776
Stop posting this retarded shit everywhere and go surrender
>>62062505
>Japanese people dont like foreigner culture because its too weird
> why can't foreigners like normal stuff like tentacle porn and having a pillow for a girlfriend? brb, the used panty vending machine just got refilled
>>62062214
ごめんね
>>62062214
ryan?
>>62062452
Your average European is literally worse than an Appalachia redneck
>>62062982
The thing Japanese people found weirdest about North America culture was how relaxed we are about a lot of things and in general have a culture of letting things slide so long as the bottom line is maintained and shit gets done. In Japan how you behave and what your personal lifestyle is like is as important to your work reputation as your actual skill in doing your job.
>>62062668
they like you 100% because of your physical appearance rather than your personality. it's like saying people in L.A. treat "you" nice.
>>62063290
"North American culture"
nice try cancucks
>>62063345
I live in Toronto and its the same shit as any big city in the States. I lived down there for a while.
>>62062725
French has just as much entertainment available. If you consider talking to people an entertainment (I do) then Spanish offers just as much. Plus I enjoy watching football and the best teams are Spanish. Latino talk shows are quite cool as well.
>>62062668
Autists can be kind too you fucking retard. Social skills involve more than being kind.
>>62063869
Well yea, If you're a normie that likes normie shit you might be better of learning a cuck language like French so you can talk with Jamal
>>62062414
Yeah, japanese are racist/xenophobes. When they compliment you on how well you use chopsticks, that's a backhanded compliment. Life in japan is full of these types of acts, you may just not realize this because it sounds nice. Be aware also when a japanese person compliments your ability to speak japanese.
Jag vet hur du känner dig, norgebror.
It's nothing but a waste of time. None of them want to get to know you for who you are. No matter where you come from, they'll use you as an English teacher and a symbol of status. They'll never try to become your actual friend. Being here in Japan for a year has done nothing but turned me into nationalist. Can't wait to go back home.
Living in Japan ends up killing you on the inside after the first 6 months or so.
>>62062634
> still like anime and mango after 10 years
Oh shit i didnt know we were in the presence of a grand wizard in the making
>>62063960
> I use the word "normie" unironically
>>62062495
Depends where you go.
>Tokyo
>unless you look like a working man from some important business, people will treat you like a tourist, and they don't like tourists
>Costal south of Honshu
>see above, except not as nice towards business types
>Kansai
>overall nice
>Anywhere on Hokkaido
>will welcome you because someone finally pays attention to them
>Okinawa
>AMERICAN PIGGU GO AWAY REEEEEEEEE
>>62062214
>>62062214
why Ken-sama? didn't you love Japan?
>>62062776
>>62062214
Do you have a wide/sqaure jaw? If not they may have just wanted the D.
>>62062214
>If you intend to learn Japanese remember you will learn a language you rarely will use after your interest in anime and manga fades off
yeah okay, kid. after i read my manga and light novel backlog, i don't think i'll ever stop reading doujinshi and niche japanese erotic stories
>>62062726
lol
>>62062214
not concrete opinion.
typical Chinese propaganda sentence.
life in China more terrible.
中国生活ではもっと悲惨な話いっぱいあるけどね。
>>62063290
>anything american
>culture
regularly( ´,_ゝ｀)kek
Seeing as Japanese society is like this, shouldn't it foster a strong counter culture full of youth who aren't?
I've seen so many foreigners staying in Japan who have no intention to learn or understand the Japanese language and culture.
I agree it's quite weird to them and some things are hard to understand, but that kinda stance never helps.
It's true that Japanese pretty much always see a foreigner just as "gaijin", but those foreigners just give up trying to integrate, and make no efforts.
Oh, and those weeaboos, they talk to me like i know anything about retarded otaku shit, but don't fucking get dissapointed when they get to know I have no interest in their favorite anime or whatever it is.
>>62062214
This
>become fluent in japanese
>Japan is shit
>become fluent in korean
>Korea is shit
I'm contemplating learning chinese because australia will probably end up being a chinese colony in the future
>>62066526
Dont wanna live in Japan ever but I think I can give some insight.
For us Whites its usually the others tha have to integrate and adapt to us.
I mean the world grew adapting to us, its thus hard for us to be on the other site for once.
Japan is one of the rare places where the natives dont have to hug up to us due to our money.
If I moved to Chile or an African country like France I wouldnt even think of adjusting to their culture, its shit and I have no reason to, I can life fine there even without.
In Japan I couldnt, I would have to work there and in order to do so I need to adapt.
>>62066799
the better theory is that you will make the same mistake a third time
it is not what you do is wrong but why
バカヤロー死ね
>>62062776
I studied French in highschool and I was just wondering, do I have to learn Arabic too for the authentic Frenchman experience? Thanks in advance.
Also there are many foreigners who think It's unfair not to be accepted as one of "US" just because they are able to speak Japanese.
It's like me expecting local people in a homogeneous European country to treat me as one of them just because i learn the language.
It will never happen, and it's the way it is.
>>62066922
Nah mate, not understanding the two groups of tards who refuse to speak anything other than arabic in your town is part of the experience. How are you going to ignore them completely if you understand them?
>>62062214
fucking mongoloids!!!
>>62062452
Europeans are racist as fuck.
Even in the so called progressive countries like Sweden and Norway the vast majority merely hides their outward racist thoughts.
It's why most of Europe has a problem with integration.
No one likes interacting with foreigners. Everyone perfers talking to someone who shares your language, accent, religion and ethnicity.
>>62064277
How come you are living in Japan sverigebror?
>>62062214
Where's Wally?
外人はうんこ
>>62062214
Says the guy who browses this shithole
>>62066255
Japanese youth culture is even more rabidly nationalist and conservative than the mainstream
>>62068644
Shop up you autistic midget.
>>62062214
if everything smells like shit, check your nose
I realize that It is too difficult to live in other countries.
Is there person who live in japan some day?
How do you deal with things if your parents will get sick? You dump your parents or dump japan?
>>62068878
>How do you deal with things if your parents will get sick?
The state offers free healthcare and retirement funds. In western european countries old parents aren't heavily dependent on their children for help unless they have like Alzheimer's or something.
>>62068769
t. ching chong chang
>>62062214
You must be pretty stupid.
All of the countries in this thread are autistic as fuck.
>>62068927
I actually hate the Chinese even more. Nothing would make me happier than Japan obtaining nukes and teaching the chinks a lesson. But nice try though sperg lord.
>>62068923
Does that mean you leave your sick parents alone?
If it getting worse and your parents will die,Your parents won't spend the last day with you. Is this ok?
>>62069036
I think you are more autistic than most of us.
This guy says Japanese is the hardest language to learn for native English speakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaEZ5_hfEc4
I assume most Europeans also have same difficulties. Is Japanese really worth learning for the sole purpose of understanding anime/manga in the original language?
I'm interested in learning Japanese and I don't even watch anime.
What now?
>>62062214
Kek, you deserve it weebshit.
>>62069095
Haha, no way. Japanese people are police and nice but have limited social skills. I even worked at a popular tourist site once and by far the least sociable people were the japanese. Talking to them was like talking to robots. They can't seem to relax unless drunk
Japan didn't fit your personality. That's all.
There are also people enjoying in Japan.
Stop generalizing.
>>62069154
>This guy says Japanese is the hardest language to learn for native English speakers
Nah. Japanese is more accessible to english speakers (and overall people familiar with most european languages) because it has some form of phonetic ties with its writing systems. Chinese on the other hands has not only a complete disconnection between written language and phonetics but is also tonal, something that no european language is, making it much harder to learn.
>>62069236
>There are also people enjoying in Japan.
People who have the ability to enjoy Japan here are often people that are seen as mentally retarded and live on the bottom of our society.
>>62062214
Thank fuck I learned to play an instrument instead. I was at a crossroad in my life where I would either become a full weeb and learn Japanese, waste a shitton of my time playing and "speed running" videogames/getting good at bullethell or rhythm games or I could spend that time learning an instrument. Now I can socialize with people through music and I have learned a skill that is socially acceptable.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/46Lgvtb.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>62069283
>German
Well said.
>>62069283
>implying dumb weebs who learned japanese and went to Japan because of their beloved animus don't start to hate it if they stay more than one month and start to realize it's not a moe-moe land full of kawaii meganeko and shibe inu, but an actual real place with a lot of problems and that is very poorly depicted in mainstream fiction
at least you dont have to wait for translations.
>>62069283
>spamming anti-japan thread 24/7 for years
>thinking himself as neither mentally retarded nor the bottom of its society
hmm...
>>62062776
Hope you get raped by a rapefugee or pitch black french nigger with a baguette.
>>62069283
I have to agree with this
Well said
>>62068687
Says the malay pigdog.
>>62068513
this.
Americans in New York or Los Angels aren't racists, but other whites are worst racists.
>>62066952
Tell that to Shizo Kanakuri.
>>62069283
That's probably because Germany and Japan have very little in common when it comes to culture and cultural imports/exports.
>>62069046
In America we dump our parents in nursing homes when they get old and visit them like once a year. Then they eventually die and we fight with our siblings over how our parents assets are divided.
>>62069642
>whites are worst racists
and asians are not racist at all?
>>62069797
>whites are worst racists
Who is the best racist?
>>62062214
bet your language skill is dumbfuck shit. 5 years? whats more, "didnt study everyday"?
c'mon man, dont make me laugh. its fucking nowhere near being good at a language.
it happens everywhere in the world. even on /int/ you can see everyday a bunch of illiterate japs miserably getting bullied by everyone else, even though some of them actually get a high score in an english test and are/were proud of it, aside from the fact the test itself is garbage.
if your language skill is a piece of shit you are gonna get treated as a child or just ignored by everyone regardless of where you stay, and then automatically even people around you start to feel talking with you is boring just because you cant speak any shit except for kindergarten tier simple words and theres literally nothing to talk about.
>>62069883
Japan is the best racist, everyone know that.
>>62069939
That may be nice to hear but I guess we are more like xenophobia or even sociophobia.
It's not really a racism, we are just afraid of everything unknown so much.
>>62070046
You have every right to be afraid, big white man with his thick white cock is going to fuck all your Japanese women and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't let come to this, Tetsuo, don't let the white man ruin your country.
>>62062214
tough luck. I enjoy Japane. The country, the people and the language.
>>62070169
Why do Europeans only think about either sex or dick?
You sound like an animal.
Fukushima was not enough
>>62070188
And your eternal virginity I see.
>>62070046
its okay nipaboo-san
every culture and ethnicity on the planet is racist ,no shame to admit, thats why racial slang was invented for just about everyone out there in the first place.
>>62066952
Define "accept as one of us". I treat my foreign friends well, but won't expect them to behave like everyone else in every situation, so I may help them.
>>62070261
Life is all about sex, shinji, and the men with the bigger dicks and the better physique get more sex. It's that simple. If you don't protect your country from the foreign devils your chances of finding a wife will go from 1:10000 to 0. Don't let it come to this.
>>62070295
no, why? Had enough sex during my year abroad there. Dont be jelly ;)
>>62070261
I don't get it either. Either they're Muslims or sexually frustrated permavirgins
>>62062495
>Japanese teacher goes to Japan
>enters in a store with another Brazilian, both speaking Portuguese
>store owner uses his audio system to alert customers to take care of their belongings because there are Brazilians in the store
I would never see such a thing in a European country
>>62070510
hahahahaahhahahahaahahahaahahaha wtf
>>62070510
kek, great one.
In European countries Muslims are welcomed with open arms when half of the time they're only there to assault and rape women. They get their shopping done at the halal superstore
>>62070510
Please tell me this story is real
>>62070467
>prude American doesn't understand sex
And nobody is surprised. At all.
>>62070638
Yes, it is. He is not asian, so probably the owner didn't think he would be able to understand Japanese.
>>62070721
wtf I love Japan even more now
>>62070646
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/whoever-loves-austria-sht-president-elect-beat-nationalist-hofer-used-anti-patriotic-slogans/
:^)
>>62062214
Just improve your taste and watch better anime like cgdct or mahou shoujo instead of shonenshit and haremshit
>>62070777
based pajeet
>>62062214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L343dzWizmk
>>62066911
fucking kek
>>62070839
>this guy
>Davido-kun
me too
i want to learn spain
>>62066526
I always hear "gaijin" complaining about how japanese people don't talk to them in japanese, according to them japs either behave like eigo bandits or just plain ignore them because they cannot talk in english.
Does this have something to do?
>>62070369
Back to /fit/ with your autism.
>>62062281
Bullshit. See how they compare to mainland Chinese, or Koreans over forty if you want to see racist Asians.
>>62062214
>I don't enjoy anime and manga anymore,
Same. After meeting Nips in real life, one's weeb perspective changes dramatically.
>>62062414
Uhh maybe not Poles but definitely French or Spaniards.
>>62072004
JAPAN PIGGU
>>62065879
>typical Chinese propaganda sentence.
>someone stated a fact about Japan
>muh Chinese propaganda
Netuoyo logic
>>62075079
This. Only netouyos think it's Chinege propaganda, although it's an obvious Korean propaganda.
>thread full of butthurt americlaps
i will never stop hating USA
>>62063869
>Latino talk shows are quite cool as well
Well thanks for confirming that you are an autismo and you have shit taste overall.
>>62075796
But most people on those shows or watching them are not autists though you idiot. In general, shows that involve real life socializing are not autistic. Beaner.
Had the option to learn Icelandic or German
>Chose German
Fucking kill me now I don't want to be mistaken for a refugee
>>62076189
Don't worry, refugees never even bother learning the language of the place they are staying in.
>>62076254
Should I wear a cross necklace just in case? I'm not even religious in the slightest I just don't want people to think I'm muslim.
>>62076189
Dude, German is a great language. Just go to amazon.de and compare the amount of science and technology books in german compared to amazon.es or amazon.fr. German is a giant in science and technology. There's also tons of great literature in german.
Don't be a fag.
>>62075358
>cucked nation whose women have the highest number of lifetime sexual partners in the world thinks Americans give a shit about him or his country
Keep dreaming of BBC, Sven.
>>62062214
I regret trying to learn Norwegian.
It's impossible to talk to you people, and on the rare occasion they're actually willing to talk to me it's because they want to practice their English.
>>62062776
>french flag
>not a weeb
Algerian detected
>>62066952
Nigger if you come here and you are willing to learn the language and contribute to our economy you will be one of us as much as anyone for me.
However, if you come here mumbling a few words, are a fat useless idiot who thinks life in Hungary is identical to our cartoons and constantly goes on about how a recurving 40pounder is superior to clumsy longbows, well, not so much.
>>62074617
>fit
>sex
>>62077981
Hungary thinks his shithole of a country is what people think about when referring to Europe.
Dude, people want a European country with western values, a healthy economy and loaw crimerates. That excludes the fascist, chronically poor dumpster you live in.
>>62068513
>It's why most of Europe has a problem with integration.
We don't want to integrate arabs and niggers in the first place, we don't want them to stay.
>>62075899
they're just lower-class brown subhumans m8
>>62070356
>aliens are part of the nation now
Nope, they never were and certainly not the arabic or african ones.
>>62077981
>Nigger if you come here and you are willing to learn the language and contribute to our economy you will be one of us as much as anyone for me.
Kek, nope. Speaking a language and working in a country doesn't make you part of someone ethnicity.
Upper class leftards are really a bunch of idiots.
>>62080111
>use the word fascist while nobody even refered to this ideology
Commie retard spotted
"Ugly manlet Japs is war crimes bro"
~ISIS
>>62080111
To respond to your argument, he mentioned homogeneous European countries. Hungary is far more homogeneous than any Western-European country.
As for your nonargument, our nice spots are as nice as anywhere. If you come here with a decent fortune you can live a great and exciting life surrounded by people with quite Western attitudes. Most kids from these environments are leaving for Europe proper though.
>>62070356
meh. "we" and "us" have been a buzzword even on /v/ since long before.
hes an obvious netouyo. so you should know what he means.
>>62076303
It might help.
Also it is an easy way to have some old ladies talk to you if you go buy bread at the local bakery if you are in a relatively old town.
>>62062214
Pasta or not I feel you anon. Japan doesn't have counter culture. Autists hate other autists for being autistic, and everybody works too much to have anything to talk about (other than "look gaijin! Make me laugh!").
I'm in it for the long haul (old lit is class, pay is better than my 3rd world cunt) but I sort of wish I picked a different language to otaku out with. Japanese is good for people who like being alone.
Japanese are two faced, lying little shits.
No point denying this.
They top even the US with their fake friendliness.
>>62080894
thats a literal korean meme m8
I'd want to learn Japanese desu
It's a vastly different culture and they'll never accept gaijin, but I don't mind, I don't want to live there anyway.
It's impossible to get a tenure on a Japanese university, foreigners have very limited career prospects, Japanese work-life balance is fucked up and salaries lower compared to Western Europe.
Still, it's interesting place and must be nice to visit.
>>62063869
>French has just as much entertainment available.
I don't even watch japanese entertainment but I must say the vast majority of french entertainment is utter dogshit
>>62081194
learn it if you want to. most japs on /int/ dont even have a chance to meet with a single gaijin irl. me too. but still learn english.
>>62063286
>an Appalachia redneck
APPALACHIA MENTIONED
>>62063290
Your post is spot on but only applies in public. In front of others you should act by tradition and custom like a robot. In your head or privately literally anything goes. In the west, people feel fake if their public face doesn't match their inside self; someone who is "Japanese" all the time is also hated in Japan, or becomes "boke" and gets picked on.
>>62076622
>whose women have the highest number of lifetime sexual partners in the world
What is wrong with that?
>>62080894
>European
Opinion officially discarded..
>>62075079
>>62075243
anyway.
The number of foreign visitors to Japan has been increasing at the fastest pace.
and Japan don't need Rude person either.
>tfw want to learn basic japanese for nostalgiafag vidya purposes
>>62086218
You should post their countries of origin.
Tourism from other Asian countries has been increasing. Japanese despise them.
>>62080894
It isn't fake. We love everybody. :(
>>62062214
but nordic anon, several people from many countries living in japan (married to a nip or not) have said this many times. You should have done a bit of research before studying, sad you wasted five years..
>>62075243
only other countries right side calling netouyo.www
>>62086361
so what.
lot of people loves japan.
only rude person and other countries right side don't like Japan, that good for Japan too.
>>62062311
errrr, not so sure about the fucked up culture part
test
>>62080569
What kind of tv-shows in spanish should I watch then?
>>62062214
だいたい、この人日本語しゃべれないし。w
>>62081373
So is Japanese entertainment. Most entertainment anywhere is mostly garbage.
>>62062214
he can't speak Japanese. w
everybody loves Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdCRrOF7ghg
>>62062214
fuck off with your blogposting elsewhere, nobody gives a shit
>>62062776
>try french
80 in French: 4 times 20
70 in French: sixty-ten
literally fuck off
one face = rude person, who can't control own emotion.
two face = politely person acting nice for others no matter what feeling.
I love Japan
>>62080894
Typical German, who doesn't understand the concept of politeness.
>>62089038
150+ posts says something else you mongrel.
>>62073081
Japanese people don't talk to them in Japanese because their Japanese is probably fucking shit.
When i went to Japan i went once with my white friend who is probably N2 or whatever and he had no problems getting a Jap response, we got English menus if they had them because we look foreign but all it takes is a quick word. Japanese people are very accommodating. (Not saying this doesn't happen ever)
>>62069323
Almost no positive news comes out about Japan thesedays anyone who has a rosy view of the country has had their head in the sand for the last decade, these barely exist anymore.
>>62069154
Japanese is pretty hard, it isn't rated much harder than Mandarin, Korean or Arabic. Honestly its probably easier because its far more popular and is one the most resource rich languages to learn from, so despite difficulty its certainly a bit easier than other harder ones.
I think Japanese is a cool language to learn.
>Very hard, I've only met like two people good at it so you will get praise for that (people think your smart)
>Quite useful, probably a top 10 maybe 7th or so. Might have some application
>Cool media and world you unlock with it
>Lots of motivation for some people. Learning something like Chinese is probably more business related, if that is your reason for learning a language don't bother you won't get anywhere. Japanese you might actually get a passion for.
Also I've been to Japan a couple times. Great country. People are polite yes but if you are from a reserved country it isn't bad, people are a bit more formal than the middle-upper class are in Britain honestly. I quite like that. Second the people you get to know are friendly and cool, I didn't really meet anyone that left a bad taste in my mouth. Great fun to drink and eat with in my experience.
They didn't seem very racist, no harsh banter like you get among UK people, there is a clear Japanese/Other divide but it doesn't seem malicious. People were always welcoming in hospitality which again is refreshing, never really felt like I wasn't welcome.
Obviously Japan has problems but almost every western country has horrendous social issues, poverty, societal divides and hate. There's a reason people across all ranges love Japanese culture and have for a long time now, and why its so pervasive in the west. There is a lot to offer there and if you like it then the language is a great way to learn more.
