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Pearl Harbor
>2400 dead, almost exclusively military personnel
>WOW WHAT AN EVIL AND INEXCUSABLE, COWARDLY ATTACK. IT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, IT ONLY GOES TO SHOW HOW SICK AN PERVERTED WAR IS AND WHAT HORROR IT CAN CAUSE. ALL THOSE LIVES WASTED, WHAT A SHAME. SHAME ON JAPAN. SHAME ON THEM.
Atomic bomb attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>Over 240000 dead, almost exclusively civilian losses
>Yes, it was just and yes, it was needed. There is no need to apologize for this heroic act. God bless the United States and the brave pilots of the Enola Gay. I will not even go so far as to say it was a necessary "evil", no, it was a justified and legitimate action. It was an act of bold bravery and a stroke of genius that once more showed the superiority of the United States. We did what was needed and there is no point in denying this - the atomic bombs were a good thing and have been dropped for the greater good.
>>62009505
Seems about right. What's your point?
>>62009505
Japs wouldn't have given up otherwise, everyone knows this.
>>62009505
Seriously >>62009808 this.
Japs were fucking nuts....
>>62009505
Japs aren't human. Their lives are worth about the same as ants. We've been over this
>>62009505
t. Jamal al-Schneider
The difference is the Japs deserved it. The Americans didn't.
And yes, you fucking conformist nazi government enablers like German civilians all deserved to be firebombed.
You can't legally deny Holocaust and this is what you do.
>>62009808
So Americans basically killed tons of Japanese CIVILIANS because they didn't want to keep losing American SOLDIERS.
And people think this is alright because muh amurica muh """""good guys""""". Bunch of fucking pigs.
>>62010133
>because they didn't want to keep losing American SOLDIERS.
You know they drafted civilians into the military right?
It would have been vicious on both sides, the Japanese had armed civilians and the Americans had a fuckton of bombs to drop. They probably saved more Japanese civilians than they lost.
>>62010015
Just like Rotterdam
More people died on the IJN Battleship Yamato than on pearl Harbor
>>62010370
You can be edgy all you like. But it wasn't us who attacked Germany. We were neutral in both WW1 and WW2.
>>62010323
>b-but if they didn't that would've happened
Not an argument.
>>62010133
Maybe don't understand what the mentality of the Japanese was at that time.
Also the second one was totally preventable, but even after the first one dropped they still refused to give in.
>>62010448
All is fair in love and war. The Japanese suckered punched us by attacking our largest naval base without a declaration of war.
Atom bombs were dropped after Americans carpet-bombed warning leaflets all over targeted cities. We at least warned them what was coming, sneaky japs didn't give that courtesy.
>saved american lives by removing the need to land mainland japan
>showed the ruskies what americans are able to do
i dont see the problem, war has no innocent people
Reminder that anime wouldn't exist if it weren't for the bombs and Japan's post-war economy.
>>62009505
>not hitting back 100x as hard as you were hit
have you not heard of deterrent?
>>62009505
says the one who killed millions of jews...
>>62010426
Why did Germany always bully poor neutral Netherlands and Belgium?
>>62009808
Yes they would, you dummie.
>>62011095
We've been at war with Russia, France, UK, Spain, Germany and everyone else.
Yet we always win through the power of hard work and friendship.
>>62011192
was meant for >>62011140
We've also been at war with Austria.
>>62011140
The axis and allies can't even beat us with all their forces combined.
>In Dutch history, the year 1672 was rampjaar, the "disaster year." That year, following the outbreak of the Franco-Dutch War and the Third Anglo-Dutch War, the Dutch Republic was simultaneously attacked by England, France, and the prince-bishops Bernhard von Galen, bishop of Münster, and Maximilian Henry of Bavaria, archbishop of Cologne.
>Despite the initial shock and successful invasion of the eastern Dutch Republic, the English, French and German forces were eventually driven back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampjaar
>>62011408
>Despite the initial shock and successful invasion of the eastern Dutch Republic, the English, French and German forces were eventually driven back. The English were defeated by the navy under Michiel de Ruyter in 1674, resulting in the Treaty of Westminster and eventually leading to the Glorious Revolution.
based
>>62009505
It was necessary to have their total surrender, otherwise the Soviets would have invaded.
>>62010133
No, an invasion would literally have costed several millions of lives, civilians included.
I sometimes dislike America for a lot of reasons, but this is not one of them.
>>62009505
Irony comeing form a Kaurt
>>62009505
Really makes you think
>>62009505
It would've been Berlin, but you surrendered before we had a bomb ready.
>>62012263
>you will never live in the parallel universe where the US nuked Berlin
why do we bother living
>>62012458
Don't worry. There is still enough time for it to happen.
Is it true that the United States dropped a bunch of papers and played radio broadcasts saying they were going to bomb the place, and that everyone should leave?
Pearl Harbor had no warning.
>>62012750
Yes to both
They did that in several cities, I think that Nagasaki was a secondary target that was chosen due to bad weather
>>62009505
Did you know the atomic bombing coincided with the Russian invasion Manchuria which was a vital economic resource for Japan.
Japan surrendered because they economically couldnt fight a war anymore. Terror bombing and Mass bombing only worked in a handful of cases. Sometimes it instilled the population to carry on.
Both Germany and Britain had plans to flatten cities until they surrendered with over 70% of British bombs dropped on German cities yet no one came close to surrender from lack of moral.
>>62011881
This, it was the best decision.
>>62009505
NAN
JING
>>62012750
Pearl Harbor was a military target, sending a warning would have been a little retarded.
Civilian bombings were bullshit anyway,
>>62013128
Well of course every anti-American is going to give credit to the shitty Russians but Japan knew they could only fight for so losing from the very beginning and they were still refusing to surrender until we dropped those city eliminating bombs on two industrial cities and told them we had more and would keep dropping them until they surrendered.
>>62013282
>not declaring war before attacking your opponent
>Japs start a totally unnecessary war
>Cry when they get punished for it
Fuck off axisfags
>>62013364
>What is the United States?
>>62013255
This one is actually a champion of killing Germans.
Has literally NO ONE in this thread done ANY research on Japanese treatment of literally anyone besides their own countrymen in WWII?
The atomic bombs were absolutely justified, if not to end the war for America's sake then at least to end it for everyone around Japan's sake.
>>62009505
Go take a dump and go to bed, Fritz.
You're tired and cranky. There there Fritzy.
>>62013499
I don't understand the emotion that pepe is supposed to convey
History is written by the victors, Kraut.
>>62013555
why not
they killed more in asian than that. It is sad that innocents had to die, but it is not like they were going to give up, so we hit them where it hurts, which is the family. But even then, the barely wanted to give up.
>>62013686
history is written by historians
>>62010777
Civilians
>>62009505
we were at war when we dropped the bomb, we weren't at war when Japan did 9-Pearl-11-Harbor
more civilians would have died regardless if we didn't drop the bombs because that means we would have to have had to invade Japan, and also risk it getting split with the Soviets
Americans didn't nuke Germany but did in Japan, because they are racists.
>>62013773
>so we hit them where it hurts, which is the family
That's the definition of a war crime.
No matter how you try rationalize it, it's still a war crime.
When you try to use Pearl Harbor or Nanjing as justifications, you falsely equate the actions of soldiers with those of non-combatants.
It was a war crime through and through unless you genuinely believe morality to be completely subjective.
>>62015473
We also weren't the ones to get to Berlin first. The Third Reich was finished when the bomb was ready.
>>62013364
>what is element of surprise
Do you think war is a fucking game? It's a struggle for life over death. You win or you die. The Age of Chivalry, such as it ever was (kek), ended at Againcourt.
It was a cowardly attack on civilians. I wish we had never done that.
The excuse is that it shortened the war, but that's no excuse. Soldiers are ready to fight - civilians are not.
>>62015473
GEE JAPAN YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU DID.
LOOKS PERFECTLY HUMANE RIGHT?
>>62010133
>So Americans basically killed tons of Japanese CIVILIANS
They weren't defined as civilians at that point because the imperial gov't was training everyone for combat and instructing them to kill US soldiers if they invaded the homeland.
>>62015473
Got a problem with that? You were racist little shits too.
You reap what you sow, and you Japs reaped hellfire.
>>62015723
SOUNDS PRETTY HUMANE TOO
>7 December 1941 – Canada declares war on Japan, Finland, Romania, and Hungary.
>7 December 1941 – Panama declares war on Japan.
>8 December 1941 – The United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Costa Rica, The Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, The Netherlands, New Zealand, and Nicaragua declare war on Japan.
>9 December 1941 – Commonwealth of the Philippines declares war on Japan, Italy, and Germany.
>9 December 1941 – Republic of China declares war on Japan, Italy, and Germany.
>9 December 1941 – Cuba and Guatemala declare war on Japan.
>11 December 1941 – Polish government-in-exile declares war on Japan.
>20 December 1941 – Belgium declares war on Japan.
>22 May 1942 – Mexico declares war on Germany, Italy, and Japan.
>22 August 1942 – Brazil declares war on Germany and Italy.
>2 April 1943 – Bolivia declares war on Germany, Italy, and Japan.
>7 February 1945 – Paraguay declares war on Germany and Japan.
>12 February 1945 – Peru in state of belligerency with Germany and Japan.
>15 February 1945 – Venezuela and Uruguay declares war on Germany and Japan.
>23 February 1945 – Turkey declares war on Germany and Japan.
>24 February 1945 – Egypt declares war on Germany and Japan.
>26 February 1945 – Syria declares war on Germany and Japan.
>1 March 1945 – Saudi Arabia declares war on Japan.
>11 April 1945 – Chile declares war on Japan.
>6 July 1945 – Norway declares war on Japan.[
America literally did nothing wrong.
>>62009505
History is written by the victors, OP. If the roles were reversed then America was the bad guy and Japan did an heroic act.
>>62015595
>The Age of Chivalry, such as it ever was (kek), ended at Againcourt.
No, it didn't. Chivalry arguably had ended during either ww1 and or ww2, as most modern war strategies (not chivalrous at all) were developed then
>>62010426
>The Netherlands
>Neutral in WW2
Uhm, no? We even fucking fought against Nazi Germany for three (3) days until we surrenderd. And then we had an underground resistance.
>>62015473
Killing off 70,000 to 90,000 defenceless men, women and children, also PRETTY HUMANE RIGHT?
>>62015822
Alright, that was a rhetorical argument, I'll admit it. Point is, wars are rarely ever chivalrous. The closest we have gotten are perhaps the wars of the late 19th century in Europe, and maybe WWI (in the sense of civilian populations being left untouched and prisoners of war largely being treated more or less humanely). These, however, are anomalies.
American propaganda is bullet proof.
Biggest terrorist attack was hiroshima and nagasaki
>>62015776
Norwaycoming in clutch
>>62015723
but the guilty soldiers were literally executed
what's the problem?
>>62016205
Eat shit, you entitled Slovak rat. The US is the sole reason that the Soviet boot isn't still firmly entrenched on your throat.
There's a good saying for this:
>It's easy for you to judge me from your throne
You sit where you sit, enjoying the fruits and spoils of the work of others. Others had to dirty their hands to get you where you are, free of charge.
>>62016274
Yeah, he managed to find the one example where that happened. Self-goal.
am i the only one who thinks Tokyo needs another nuke to stop the spread of anime/weebs?
Kek, look, a German revisionist trying to feel better about how terrible his country was by going on about muh Allied war crimes. Let's take a look at the circumstances leading up to this:
>US does a traditional land invasion of the relatively small island of Okinawa, over 150,000 people die fighting on a relatively small island, over 120,000 of those being the Japanese themselves on an island of 500,000.
>Japanese soldiers so indoctrinated by the end of the war they literally run into machinegun fire thinking the Emperor will save them on islands like Leyte.
>Japanese government training the entire civilian population to resist the American occupation, even telling Japanese women to hold spears and that if they can kill even one American soldier it would be worth it.
>Prepare the entire remaining Japanese army to prepare for an American D-Day-esque assault, which, if it happened, would have cost over a million lives on both sides, and that is just to land near Tokyo.
>Japan is on the brink of absolute starvation (as evidenced by the US needing to provide emergency food aid for nearly 5 years after the war).
>US decides to not waste the lives of hundreds of thousands if not a million of its own soldiers on a costly land invasion, not to mention millions of Japanese lives.
>Hopes to drop one nuke to get the Japanese to surrender, does so.
>Japanese military command doesn't believe America can make many of these bombs, civilian government continues wanting to fight.
>Second bomb dropped.
>Emperor Showa decides it's time to stop fighting not so much because he gave a shit about his people being bombed, but because of fear of an internal revolution by civilians, and the belief that America had hundreds of more atomic bombs.
>Sections of the military still want to continue fighting even after this but are thankfully silenced, literally up to ten million if not more Japanese lives are saved by not launching a land invasion of Japan + saving them from famine.
>>62015860
Do you know what neutral means you fuckmuppet?
We we're armed neutral in both ww1 and ww2.
If you think neutralmeans not fighting back you're an idiot, if we would've been invaded in ww1 we were ready to fight back.
Which was one of the biggest reasons germany didn't invade us considering us too much of a hassle and deciding the schlieffenplan could also work making a (narrower) arch through just belgium.
Dont comment on history if you don't know anything about it
>>62016388
it would be better spent on saudi arabia, pakistan, and turkey
>>62016337
>The US is the sole reason that the Soviet boot isn't still firmly entrenched on your throat.
fucking THIS
It drives me completely insane when people such as West Germans, Italians, Japs, South Koreans, or even French complain about Americans regarding WW2 and the aftermath of WW2, when it's only thanks to the the USA that those countries aren't russhit/chinkshit post-communist hellholes like Eastern Europe or most of continental East Asia.
>>62016402
A million lives total on the invasion near Tokyo*.
>>62016421
best ally
>>62016365
>Sweden talking about war
Neutral fags have no say in this matter.
I have nothing to thank America for, they didnt try to undermine communism (not like it needed any help) for well of my country but for their own benefit. Typical scandicuck who wants to be american so bad
>>62015473
I hate this meme, the atomic bomb was literally not ready by the time Germany had surrendered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)
See? We didn't nuke Germany because our nukes weren't ready, not because we gave a shit about them being white-see the bombing of Dresden.
>>62016497
>for well of my country but for their own benefit
then you don't understand capitalism. rarely do countries do good for foreigners unless it benefits themselves, and capitalism is the best way to do that ya poon
>>62009808
Japan was looking to make peace by talking to the US with telegrams sent through USSR, and after being rebuffed, Switzerland, it was a bit too late though
>>62016459
*best lapdog
>>62016546
Problem is that Japan wasn't willing to surrender unconditionally, and the US wasn't willing to accept anything less than an unconditional surrender.
>>62016539
I understand it completely, thats what im saying. USA just wanted to beat USSR, if Slovakia was to burn during this nobody would care. Thats why i have no reason to be thankful
>>62009505
Lets be honest the U.S. just wanted to flex their muscles and let the world know they had such a weapon.
>>62016497
>Slovak cuck talking smack
I forgot you got high watching Germans bull your women from 1939 to 1945. Too bad they'd have wiped you out sooner or later if they'd have won the war. Can't let Slav untermensch inhabit valuable territories, right?
The only historical path which wouldn't lead to you being cucked into extinction (by Germans) or cucked permanently (by Russians) is the one involving the overwhelming might of the US. But I guess a vegan cuck can't appreciate when someone shoots the bull and brings home the beef, right?
>>62016555
please don't sow discord among the based five eyes, best ally
>>62016580
Then you should literally be grateful to pretty much no country ever because the only reason anyone cares about Slovakia is to say that they are good at naming every European country.
>>62016639
>Swede obsessed with bulls
>mfw
>>62016689
Im grateful to Czech Republic for sending teachers to my country during Czechoslovakia.
Im grateful to Romania because they openly went against soviet invasion in 1968.
Im not grateful to USA or Russia at all, literally no reason to.
Japan and USA are a best friend
>>62009505
The A-bomb was developed to be dropped on Berlin. You faggots surrendered too soon.
>>62010133
Except for the fact that many, many times more Japanese would have died in an invasion.
>>62009505
Germany - Divided after the war, west was built up with help from the US, and turned into a major economic power. One of the lowest opinions of the US.
Japan - Fucking NUKED by the US. Rebuilt wit help from the US. has an overall fravorable opinion of the US.
Are you just mad that we didn't make in time to beat the soviets out of the east?
>>62016782
Sorry, I forgot, only Czechs sort of care. And Romania might've been against it but they didn't die to protect you, and it was mostly about Ceausescu asserting independence than caring about your fate. I don't know why you are grateful to Romania.
>>62017049
Because they openly said what everybody else was too afraid to do, USA included
>>62016783
>A nationwide survey conducted in Japan from September to October 2011 found that an all-time high of 82 percent had friendly feelings toward the US. Japan's Foreign Ministry attributed the number to the effects of Operation Tomodachi. Similarly, the Pew Research Center showed that 85% of Japanese people had a favorable opinion of the U.S. in 2011, the highest in a decade.
based Japan
>>62017094
The US was not "afraid", we were simply concerned with trying to avoid global thermonuclear war with the SALT treaty, and needed Russia's cooperation, and our spare troops were locked up in Vietnam. If you had staged your revolution a little bit later you would've seen a much stronger response. It's not like we didn't care, we sort of had our hands tied.
>>62017094
>>62017249
And we did contribute to you guys eventually becoming free, western pressure/forcing the SU to spend so much on the military + the war in Afghanistan led to the collapse of the SU and your independence, and NATO has largely been the reason Russia's imperialist ambitions since Putin has come to power has been stymied.
>>62017249
The revolution was 20 years ago. Im talking about violating probably every treaty ever signed. And yes, US was afraid, thikning Russia has some hidden weapons when they were starving
>>62017284
Yes you contributed, still no reason to be grateful
>>62015723
Interesting.
>>62017354
>Romanians sort of protest to the SU about Czechoslovakia being invaded but ultimately do nothing and send no forces to help you at all.
>I'm grateful to them!!!!!!!!
>US substantially contributes to the fall of the SU which actually leads to your independence and freedom from oppression.
>Still no reason to be grateful.
Logic is a bit hard for me to understand, friend. The Romanians only provided you moral support and only because their dictator wanted to have an excuse to distance himself from the SU which he had been wanting to do for quite a long time to begin with. But you are more grateful for that than to the people who actually materially contributed to your freedom. It's a bit confusing.
>>62017354
>Violating every treaty ever signed?
Explain?
>US was afraid.
Lol, no, from an American perspective I can tell you we were not afraid to confront the SU. We invaded Vietnam knowing it was one of their puppet states-simply shouting at the SU verbally like the Romanians did would've been nothing in comparison. But, like I said, we wanted an arms control treaty with the Russians and that would've taken longer pissing them off that way (at that time). And mind you even if the Russians were hungry at the time we signed SALT (I don't think they were?) they still had their huge arsenal of nukes, even larger than they have today under Putin.
>Germany
>Lecturing ANYONE on morality
MAXIMUM KEKS
Shouldn't you be preheating the oven right about now you fucking kraut?
>>62013128
So you're telling me if two of your major cities were COMPLETELY obliterated in a matter of seconds you wouldn't surrender? They would have surrendered unconditionally with or without Manchuria
Who gives a shit? Fuck japs.
>>62015776
>9 December 1941 – Republic of China declares war on Japan, Italy, and Germany
Wasn't china already at war?
Pearl Harbor was not even that tragic, i dont know why americans are so emotional about it
Im not japanese
>>62017791
This.
>>62017918
It's more the fact that the sneaky slanty eyed weak Japs back stabbed us and destroyed a good portion of our Pacific fleet. I'm glad we KEKED Japan by using them as our PowerPoint presentation to the rest of the world as an example of why not to fuck with the United States
>>62017918
We get emotional over any (higher than 100) loss of life by a foreigner.
9/11 for example.
>>62017982
The jews did it with egypt after they arrived in Israel and no one fucking cared
You guys even suck their cocks nowadays
>>62018081
lmao butthurt jap
kill yourself like all your countrymen are doing
>>62018126
As i stated before im not japanese
And im not complaining about the nukes i just dont understand American logic
>>62018205
I believe it was more of a way to stop the war. Fear makes people back down.
And also, it WAS kind of a bitch slap for Pearl Harbor. But mostly scare tactics.
>Japs start a war
>they pillage, rape and burn the entire Asia-Pacific continent
>America nukes them because they won't surrender
>BOOHOO YOU SHOULD HAVE SENT A MILLION MORE AMERICANS TO DIE ITS NOT FAIR
>Its ANOTHER shitposting episode
>dead axis civilians
who cares lmao
>>62009505
One started a war the other ended it.
A while ago, I was watching a documentary about the ww2 and the kamikazes here in Brazil and there was an old japanese man saying that when he heard on the radio that Japan had surrender he said "thanks to God!" He said that because the Japanese army were forcing the civilian (men) to fight and so to be a kamikaze. So when he knew the war is over he knew he would live.
And some here saying the entire population were being trained to kill american soldiers...
>>62020553
The Filipino knows. Privileged people distanced from history have no duty to understand it apparently.
>>62010133
The USA actually dropped pamphlets over the cities they nuked weeks ahead of time telling civilians that they were at war with their government and they should leave the city otherwise they would be killed by bombs.
>>62023190
>everyone drop what you're doing and leave this city, you can trust us we're the enemy
>>62011095
billions*
>>62009505
Hawaii is native Hawaiian area.
USA almost genocided Hawaiian.
Asian Union is not Japanese idea.
Hawaiian king asked Asian Union to Japan in 1881 for the first time.
WW2 started in 1778 in Hawaii.
>>62026356
Hawaiian king accepted many Japanese immigrants to prevent Whites' invasion.
So there were more Japanese in Hawaii in 1940s than other people.
>>62017999
>by a foreigner
>9/11
>>62009505
what do you expect, they are not slav master race to enter the city with infantry and liberate it, they have to bomb the shit out of it first
>>62009505
>Pearl Harbor
>>2400 dead, almost exclusively military personnel
It's a war crime to commit an offensive without first declaring war. And besides, Pearl Habour was widely used as propaganda afterwards, which is probably why the US went from crippled Pacific fleet and small army, to kicking Japanese navy shit in and having an army the size of Nazi Germany at their height.
Atomic bomb attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>Over 240000 dead, almost exclusively civilian losses
There was no agreements or conventions against nuclear devices. Hell, there wasn't even anything against the US firebombing the shit out of Japan killing more than the Nukes did. But in war, both military and civilians are targets. It's the way it has been, and the way it will forever be, better get used to it Adolf.
