Do americans really believe they are living in the the most free country in the world? or is this just a meme?
>>61936433
It depends where you live, most do, but are mostly elderly.
>>61936433
Latinas>>> soulless white bitches.
>>61936433
Depends some self hating Americans rather have security rather than freedom, depends on who you ask but from everyone that I know that's come from elsewhere believes this to be true.
Security and freedom(liberty) don't go hand in hand unfortunately
I'd say so but stupid shit like hate crime laws are taking that back and racist as fuck
>>61936433
I'm free to do literally anything I want where I live bub
"Live free or die" is my states motto, we even put it on our license plates.
>>61936525
how do those people justify beeing free keeping in mind that in the Netherlands you could stare in the the eyes of a cop while fucking a prostitute and smoking weed?
>>61936674
you can do that in the USA in some places too
>>61936701
isn't that only in Nevada? and have they legalized pot?
The only thing I am personally missing is guns and le weed
>>61936674
Look just because a law is in place doesn't mean it's enforced, just like in the Netherlands weed isn't exactly legal just decriminalized in certain areas.
Look I can go and shoot someone in a European country doesn't mean it's legal or when I'm defending my property and feel if I need to harm the other party after warning I'm legally entitled to do so.
>>61936433
More free than us and our backwards nanny state.
>>61936787
I can go and buy a gun from any store I want and carry it wherever I want without a permit at any time I want
>>61936787
Is it hard to get weed in Norway? A friend of mine went in a exchange in Denmark and he smoked weed a lot, he said it was easy to get (Im not saying Denmark and Norway are the same, it's just the nearest example i have)
>>61936433
They don't let our people to live there peacefully, so how is the USA free?
>>61936674
Aren't European countries changing their laws, or at least leftards want, to let the prostitute work but arrest/fine their clients?
>>61936925
We can buy basically all the guns you can buy, we just have to go through a lot of bureaucracy. If I want to buy an AR-15, i have to be a member of a pistol club for 6 months, buy a pistol, then do a rifle security course, become a member of an organisation and then send an application to the police where I state that I will use the gun for marksmanship sport. Breivik bought his gun (Ruger mini 14) with a standard hunting license though. The law is kinda weird, you can own a Mini 14 as long as it doesn't look "tacticool" and that you say that you will use it for hunting.
>>61936971
Pretty easy. Just wander out in one of the major cities and look for people selling, it's pretty obvious.
>>61937116
>If I want to buy an AR-15, i have to be a member of a pistol club for 6 months
Wow. I just have to go to a store and give him some money, I don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon
>>61936433
They are more free than Europeans.
>>61937178
Here is a meme index which disagrees
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2016
>>61937253
>Germany
>95
>USA
>90
Yeah, it is a meme index which is useless.
>>61937253
N O R D E N
>>61937290
>>61937178
Another index
http://www.freetheworld.com/2015/freedomIndex/Human-Freedom-Index-2015.pdf
>>61937178
Regarding the freedom to get shot maybe
>>61937375
I mean we don't even have a sales tax in my state...
>>61937375
Also to not go to prison for voicing your opinion. Thanks to first amendment rights. Anywhere in Europe you can be arrested for disagreeing with the official view of the state.
>>61937364
>If I just post useless NGO sites instead of forming actual arguments then I win
>>61937422
I don't have an angle of this.
>Anywhere in Europe you can be arrested for disagreeing with the official view of the state.
This is objectively wrong.
>>61937364
Yeah, a leftist index that probably counts the social safety net as the main factor for freedom, but doesn't care about hate speech laws and other stuff.
>>61937422
>Anywhere in Europe you can be arrested for disagreeing with the official view of the state.
Do people really believe that? Name examples please
>>61937503
>This is objectively wrong.
Go to your local police station and say things which violate your hate speech laws and see what happens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Norway
>Norway prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or ridicule someone or that incite hatred, persecution or contempt for someone due to their skin colour, ethnic origin, homosexual orientation, religion or philosophy of life.[61]
>>61937547
Do you never check the news? These happen all the time.
>>61937116
All that paper work just to get a gun can deter people from doing stupid shit no doubt but it can also be a hurdle when it comes to having to defend yourself and remember at the end of the day the only person you can count on is yourself.
Though weed should at this point be available for recreation though it'll need to be approved for medicinal use in certain applications just due to legalities and such.
>>61937570
idk, I only ever read of known neo-nazis that get into trouble because of that, and I am not sure what's wrong with that.
>>61937706
>If I disagree with people they should go to prison
>But we are free btw xD
1) I bet you do not make the same rules for people of other extreme positions (eg. Communists, Marxists, Scientologists, Islamists etc).
2) You should try reading a book sometime in your life. On liberty would be a good start.
>>61936433
not a meme. they legitimately do.
I remember somebody saying something like that (hick town) to me and my ex-gf, she gave me a very stern look cos she could see wagwan. His words were something like:
>"I don't understand why you European tourists (even though we're fucking British) don't just stay here with all our freedom?"
>>61937570
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States
The US has those laws too.
Altough we have those laws, they are only enacted when there is a real threat of something bad happening as far as I know. i.e. a bunch of neo-nazis threatening some jew or whatever.
>>61936433
the younger generations are aware that its a meme, we're pretty free but not the most free.
>>61937794
The US' ruling simply says you may not seek to cause a violent act. Eg. stand around calling for violent revolution or killing someone. European laws on the other hand will arrest people just on the basis of offence even when there is no danger presented.
>>61937792
I'd rather have a comfy easy life than a "free" hard life.
>>61937865
That is a serf/slave mentality.
>>61937842
That's the same as in Norway though.
>>61937317
fuck off cai-göran
>>61937897
No, Norwegian law allows for the arrest of people if they cause offence. For example, if I said "homosexuality is inferior to heterosexuality", under Norwegian law this would be an illegal act.
>>61937785
Democracy has to defend itself from those trying to destroy it. I don't care it they are communists, islamists or what not.
>>61937591
We don't usually need to defend ourselves with guns since the chance of being attacked by Americanized faux-crusaders on a chimpout is still remarkably low.
>>61937865
Indeed. They would too. this was a very poor town in Cali-valley that was particularly hard hit by 2008. Pretty grim shit desu.
It's hilarious because I heard similar """"empathy"""" from a fucking road-side flower seller in Vegas, criticising some passed out chick saying "homeless have places to go." I'm like umm no sweetie, you're the one selling flowers like a gypsy, she's passed out from too much alcohol gambling.. Let's reassess here.
>>61937922
You can't interperete the law like that. If you somehow were arrested for that, you would never get sentenced to anything. I'm only finding articles of people getting arrested for hate speech because they literally said stuff like "Jews import africans to Europe as part of a race war against whites, so we should rebel against the jews and start killing jewish infants with great delight".
Legal stuff is different when it comes to an actual court room, they look at older cases and what the law's intention was when it originially was introduced.
>>61937897
Fucking cuck. I hope your mom get ahmed's cock on her.
>>61937922
But that's a silly opinion that doesn't help anyone. It's just meant to troll faggots.
>>61938095
Woah, dude. Chill out bro.
>>61938035
But Europeans don't live in a democracy, just like Americans. You only want to defend the status quo.
>>61938035
The best defence against them is an honest debate on their ideas. Locking them up only serves their cause. Let them lose the argument in public debate. Ever notice that countries which tried to violently suppress Fascists and Communists (Germany, Russian Empire, China) all fell to them? While the countries which allowed them to operate (Britain, France, USA) did not?
>>61938097
>I have to agree with the opinion for it to be allowed
This is what I mean. You are just a Fascist under another name. What is different about you and an authoritarian Christian except which side of the issue you are on if you both want to lock everyone up who disagrees with you?
>>61938089
Yes, you can and if you get the right government they will. Once you make authoritarianism the default status of law it will be used by any side which wants to.
>>61938050
Who the fuck cares. If I want to get a gun to scratch my ass I should be able to get it.
>>61938184
You make a good point, but I am not so sure to be honest. Neo-nazis in most cases do not want to have an honest debate, at least most of them.
>>61938282
Which is why they will never win power if there is an honest debate on it. And if they don't want to debate, they tend to stay irrelevant unless people give them a way to mainstream themselves.
>>61938282
>hurr durr I haven't heard you but I am sure I don't agree with you.
>>61938184
The "right government" can just make new laws or remove old ones.
This comes down to what we think "human nature" is. I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, but neither am I a guy advocating for a large government which is watching over you every minute. I like to live in a representative democracy where people pay taxes so everybody can go to school, there is infrastructure, there is police and that people don't die of cancer if they are too poor.
I am against a lot of useless drug and alcohol laws. I think the gun laws are kinda ok, since I only think people who actually know how to handle a gun, should be able to own a gun.
It's 4 am and I am semi-drunk. This post may not make much sense, but there is a point in there somewhere.
>>61937835
And who is? If you believe it is because drugs and prostitution the USA it's gaining ground on it.
>>61937891
wat do
>>61938591
That is why you have a strong constitutional setup like the US. The US government will find it next to impossible to ever change the first amendment no matter how much it wanted to.
>I like to live in a representative democracy where people pay taxes so everybody can go to school, there is infrastructure, there is police and that people don't die of cancer if they are too poor.
These things are not really relevant to the topic of personal and political liberty.
>>61938607
It is a meme arguement, but you can find true freedom a lot of places in Sub Saharan africa and Syria.
>>61938050
Yeah but you should have the right to defend yourself, why should someone be able to lord over you because of someone able to get into a position of authority?
That's where it stems from.
As long as you respect others rights you're rights will be respected and yes even criminals have rights of a US citizen.
So many things are forbidden and people don't even notice.
>>61938666
Is polygamy legal in SA? I would go there with my two girls.
>>61938682
I guess the Norwegian people think that they'd rather not be able to protect themselves with a gun, than having a lot of poor, crazy islamists/nazis/commies/criminals with an easy access to guns.
>>61938666
Your basis of freedom is free drugs and free prostituts. My I dont care about those things, as well as 99 percent of americans, at least in America we can't get arrested for trolling gays, Muslims, and other people. I just yelled "move, black niggers!" In Georgia a few days ago and nothing happened to me, even though there were like 100 cops. You can't deny that if a country is gonna ban 4chan because of hate speech or racism, that country would be European. I could never imagine a us state doing that but I could easily see a European one.
>>61938762
You wouldn't have to worry about islamists if you simply don't bring Muslims to your country. It's not like you have a neighboring Muslim country. I think the people should be allowed to have what police have. Either give all the current arsenal to the people or greatly limit what police can have.
>>61938838
Sorry for my english, Im visiting US states.
>>61938838
But it isn't about free prostitution, it's about legal prostitutii. Why don't you care about your /r9k/bros?
>>61937398
Delaware?
>>61938976
new hampshah
>>61938838
Well maybe. Stuff is radically changing around the globe atm. Norway has a pretty right wing government and populism is rising all over Europe, In 50 years USA might have gone down the leftist fascist path while Europe remained fairly liberal. I kinda agree with you , but you won't get arrested for shouting "move, black niggers!" in Norway as far as I know. Not as long as you don't openly threaten them or encourage others to persecute them.
>>61938998
Do you have cock fights there? And not the gay kind.
>>61939302
>>61939337
I mean this.
>>61939433
That is illegal in Norway and probably every 1st world country.
>>61939495
That's the advantage of not being first world. I met one of my gf's in a cockfight club.
Freedom is not measured easy and different people have different views and standards. Some think if they sell you a minigun, it's freedom but they're alright with PC and other social norms. Some are okay with not having the right to carry pistols because their country is safe enough and they can laugh at racist jokes publicly. Good that we have different countries with different features, right?
>>61937922
But it is true. Homos don't have the right tools.
The only freedom they have that euros don't is freedom of speech (ie you won't get jailed because of racist facebook posts), but that's not such a great achievement because we have that here and many other places too.
>>61939535
Fucking savage. Get controlled.
>>61937570
US has hate speech laws too you retard
Stupid fucking voter fraud keeping us epic americans from free college and free weed. Ive been feeling the bern since day one. I took out a $50000 loan just to donate to the bernman and im really hoping that money goes to transgender bathrooms. Holy fucking shit i hate hilary and if you think im gonna pay back that loan to support hilary youre dead wrong because im gonna kill myself and thatll spite hilary! God i fucking hate voter fraud voter fraud voter fraud voter fraud. The epic department told me voter fraud is not epic. Stupid minorities not knowing what is in their best interest by voting for bernie god i fucking hate them us real liberals need to do our duty to wash them of their political incompetency. Holy shit im gonna kill myself lol
>>61936433
Norway bros how do I get a girl like this? I'll integrate and shit I guess I just wanna pale cutie
>>61941191
You think any of us has girl friends?
>>61936525
People concerned about black presidents and 61% are not self haters.
>>61940776
Why? You can't take that away from us merricuck
>>61936574
>I'm free to do literally anything I want where I live bub
Can you smoke weed legally?
>>61936512
This.
>>61936674
I guess you were watching a certain shitty comedian too long
>>61937865
Are you a girl?
>>61941161
What kind and how strict?
>>61940428
>The only freedom they have that euros don't is freedom of speech
lol
this guy was imprisoned for a couple of years without a change for parole for hate speech and pictures like that he published on the internet, while an immigrant raped someone during the same time and got a lesser sentence than him and even got a change for parole at some time
freedom is speech has it's limits :DD
You're free kid. But not free enough to play with the big boys.
>>61936433
You need to find a balance, not just outright tip to one scale of Tyranny or Anarchy. Unfortunately we've got chaos right now. Some believe we have too many freedoms, and others rabidly believe we don't have enough.
>>61945867
America needs better privacy laws tbqh
>>61936512
fuck this retard bitch, hombre.
>>61936433
I can own all kinds of guns so yes! Any other /K/ommandos here?
Jeg elsker norske jenter : 3
Norge du er en qt!
>>61937570
Go to a local usa police station and be Black, let's see what happens
>>61936512
>That's a 10/10 in Mexico
WEW
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>>61943956
Anyone with an education is against that crap, even in your island, you filthy neanderthal. Killing animals for fun is not culture.
