Which Scandinavian language is closest to Icelandic in terms of vocabulary and pronunciation?
Unironically Swedish, although it's quite distant
>>61912834
icelandic is the most conservative scandinavian language so it is hard to understand even from people from norway/denmark/swedish
faroese
>>61913166
checked
nynorsk
>>61913166
>>61913220
fight
>>61913271
Faroese is fairly close to Icelandic, but Faroese is not a Scandinavian language.
>>61912834
Norwegian.. Icelanders wuz norwegians back in the old days
Faroese, if it even counts.
>>61912834
Who gives a shit? Scandinavian languages are gay.
Icelandic is a 1000 year old Dutch, isn't it?
Is Memrise any good for learning icelandic?
>>61918456
You're not going to learn it fluently of course but it gives you a very basic grounding.
>>61918597
Well shit. What's a comparable(to Duolingo) app for learning it, then? I don't really have the time or dosh for an official course(which i don't even know if it exists over here), and the 15 minutes a day way of learning of Duolingo is perfect for me.
From the Scandinavian trio of Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish, Norwegian is by far the closest. Especially the dialects on the west coast of Norway are the least like Swedish and Danish, and are descendent from the same people who had some leave for Iceland.
But outside of those three, the only other survivong Norse derived language, Faroese, is much closer than anything else. They are not mutually intelligible, but they are the closest languages to one another.
Norwegian is the closest of the Scandi trio to both Icelandic and Faroese. There are two Norse derived languages that have gone extinct, Norn and Greenlandic. Greenlandic would have been most connected to Icelandic, and there would be a language continuum from Faroes to Iceland to Greenland. The other, Norn, was also from Norwegian, and found in Shetland and Orkney. It would have been closer to Norwegian than Faroese was, until its slow death and corruption with Scots and English.
Altogether, Norwegian spawned two branches, one a continuum from Faroes to Iceland to extinct Greenland, and the other to Shetland and Orkney.
The relation of Swedish and Danish to these languages is much less than Norwegian. Norwegian actually started distinct from those two as a west Norse language, whereas they were east Norse. But due to proximity and influence, Norwegian has grown to fit as a language continuum between Swedish and Danish, which has made it over time less similar to the all the Norse derived island languages that came from Norwegian.
>>61918776
meme apps such as duomeme and memerise won't make you learn a language. It can give you a very basic introduction, and can help you learn some vocab (even then, not so well), but you can't learn an entire language just with meme methods.
You can't just magically avoid actual studying and time investment thanks to memes.
>>61912834
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_INMLk_lE
>>61918837
Oh, don't misinterpret me, i did say i don't have time or dosh for an actual course, but i'm willing to spend a year or more to learn it by practice and reading before thinking i'm some hot shit.
For example, i'm learning russian from Duolingo for some weeks now, but i plan to test it in about a year by trying to read Metro 2035 in it's original language.
It's almost the same way i learned english, except i used vidya, movies and 4chan instead of apps.
>>61913220
>Scandinavian
>>61918993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjwpWxWNcHs
>>61912834
>5-2
:^)
>>61919036
>look mom I posted it again
>>61912834
Icelandic is completely unintelligible. I speak Swedish so I can understand Norwegian and Danish fine, but Icelandic is something entirely different desu.
Faroese isn't Scandinavian?
>>61919155
>The Icelander exclaimed whilst getting pounded in the ass
>>61919036
what's this her voice is cute
I love Icelandic accents but Icelandic women are disgusting desu
>>61919214
Depends on your definition.
Scandinavian is a cultural definition that traditionally applies to Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. In the anglosphere its very conmon for people to include Finland, though they are excluded from the traditional view of Scandinavia. Iceland and Faroes are also sometimes included in Scandinavian too, but again, do not traditionally belong.
Nordic is the term for the cultural and geographic grouping of the Scandinavian trio, Finland, Iceland, and Faroes. Scandinavian is traditionally only Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, but commonly in English used interchanganly with Nordic.
I've even seen universities with departments dedicated to studying the region use them interchangably. Scandinavians tend to dislike if you use it Scandinavian incorrectly too, but its still super common, at least in English
>>61919193
Not true, I mostly understand Icelandic.
>>61913299
Yeah, but OP probably doesn't understand the difference between North Germanic and Scandinavian languages. It's kinda like most outsiders call the whole Nordic region Scandinavia.
Besides, Icelandic and Faroes can be seen as insular Scandinavian languages, as opposed to the continental ones.
>>61919423
how
>>61919409
So it's like how some British on here sometimes get butthurt if you include the USA in the Anglosphere
>>61919489
Being Norwegian? I don't know.
>>61912834
Actually its Finnish, unironically
>>61919489
If you can actually understand Norwegian in addition to Swedish fine I am surprised you have so much trouble with Icelandic. Written icelandic is easy and short spoken sentences/slow speaking also isn't that hard to understand much of what is being said without any prior specific knowledge of Icelandic.
almost 5 years ago
>>61919489
many words are very similar, and the sentences arent incredibly different. its just old norwegian words with -in and -ur behind them.
>>61919860
>>61920008
>>61920047
>>61919860
the absolute madman
>thread about Iceland
>Faroese magically conjured up
>>61919036
fucking GERMANY is a joke
literally everything is blocked on youtube
>>61920421
What did he mean by this?
>>61920421
We're on good terms
>>61920463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771YB958Og0
is this blocked?
>>61920575
No
but all the music owned by Jews is
>>61920535
I mean that you don't exist until someone talks about Iceland
I can understand Icelanders, PM probably calls the local 4chan sperg to answer any questions /int/ may have, but why the fuck Faroese answer as well?
>>61919555
>usa
>anglo
>>61912834
Vocabulary and pronunciation are actually two very different things.
Icelandic pronunciation is quite degenerate compared to Norse, while some Scandinavian varieties are much closer. Icelandic has some conservative pronunciation going for it, like keeping the dental fricative, proper vowels at the end of words, and you can still differentiate between "hn" and "n", unlike Scandinavian. But Icelandic vowels are very degenerate compared to Scandinavian vowels, and there is no distinction between long and short vowels/consonants.
I don't really know the answer to the question, just thought I should mention this.
actually English is the language most closely related to Icelandic
This is true and not a meme
>>61920575
Watch the edge, Cuckmansdottir
Excluding Faroese, I'd say that certain dialects of Norwegian are closest. I also think that the rhythm of Icelandic is very similar to Finnish.
>>61920535
>>61920559
you two are neighbors right, do you guys suck each others dicks when you get done with shitposting time?
>>61920824
We stroke fish together
For vocabulary, a person with a very good Norwegian vocabulary could probably read Icelandic fairly easily, without major problems. But regular Norwegian is far from Icelandic in vocabulary. I don't know what the case is for different Norwegian dialects, while you can pick from many dialects to get something close to Icelandic vocabulary, I don't know if any single dialect is high enough quality to be considered closest to Icelandic, especially when you consider that Swedish also has some really strong competition in some really high quality dialects.
>>61921037
http://sprotin.fo/?p=dictionaries&_SearchDescription=0&_DictionaryId=2&_DictionaryPage=1&_SearchFor=murtur
>>61921135
Compare 1st and 2nd definition
>>61921135
>>61920687
one people one nation etc
>>61921135
lel
I want to move to Iceland, but I've read some scary shit,
Does food really suck that much?
Do they really won't let you send serious money to an account abroad?
Will 2D loli get me vanned there?
>>61912834
English before it was ruined by the fucking French.
Surviving language would be Faroese
>>61922354
There's enough of you here already
>>61923552
It's the Icelandic nationalist episode
>>61923287
Obviously this is written, but I understood everything of the Icelandic text except the word "fley".
>>61923649
I'm not wrong.
>>61923287
what the fuck happened to our language to make it so unrecognizable
>>61923710
Do Faroese have a similar accent to Icelandicks?
Also, when you go abroad and people ask you where you're from what reaction do you get?
>>61923846
The French frencified it.
Our core words we use the most are still mostly Germanic which is good.
>>61918841
>>61923867
I can't really say. In my opinion it sounds a lot like a typical Norwegian accent.
I usually tell non-Danish people that I'm Danish, and Danes that I'm Faroese. I don't really feel like explaining. Most Danes seem indfiferent.
Icelandic
>>61923867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGK40ykalTw
Skip and listen to 14:02-14:25, then skip to 15:10 and listen to the end. I personally think their accent sounds more southern-Scandinavian than ours.
>>61924353
I thought he meant English accent
>>61924353
But I would agree, Faroese has a lot unique sounds like í (ui), ggj/gv (skerping), different á, etc, etc
>>61924460
Could be the case. It's been a while since I've heard Icelandics speak English, but I think I recall their accent sounding less stupid than ours.
>>61924353
Wew
That sounds bizarre
>>61924630
If you're referring to Icelandic, then I agree
>>61924353
Faroese wtf
>>61924949
Does it sound that peculiar when you don't understand it?
>>61918968
http://icelandiconline.is
I'm not sure how good it is, but this site has some free Icelandic lessons. I used to know a cute Scandinaviophile girl and she said we should learn Icelandic together and it was really nice but we fell out and so I stopped learning it because it reminded me of her :(
>>61912834
Älvdalska
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msVZb0GZ6VA
>>61925231
yeah
>>61925519
This is a really cool language, some really high quality sounds. Keeps the old nasal vowels, that disappeared from most of the rest of the nordics by the 1200-1300s, I don't remember. Also the only North Germanic language to keep the w sound, and one of only three Indo-European languages to keep the original proto-indo-european [w] in its true form, the other two being English and Scots. Traditionally, also had the Japanese F sound, which was how Old Norse pronounced P in some contexts, also extremely old sound.
Another thing is that it lacks some defining traits for both Eastern and Western North Germanic, so in some ways, it can be said to be a hole in between the two different branches.
Was written with runes as recently as 1900 for the last time, kept using runes for much longer than anyone else.
Really cool and interesting language.
Icelandic is the closest language to Old Norse. I just thought I would state this, because there is a lot of misinformation spreading around that Swedish is because it preserves a few vowel distinctions that Icelandic doesn't.
>>61918841
feminism is cancer
>>61920769
Icelandic is still much closer to Old Norse. An Icelander could have a conversation with someone from the Viking Age, and no other Scandinavian language could.
Source: I have never met an Icelander that could not read the sagas in their original form, and the pronunciation changes that have occurred are not enough to make them unintelligible.
>>61925234
What happened?
>>61918814
This guy is pretty spot on.
Icelanders can read Old Norse even today, that's enough to show who they are.
>>61923287
If I could learn one meme language it would be Old English
>>61920769
>Vocabulary and pronunciation are actually two very different things.
That's why I mentioned them seperately
>>61931374
It has been stated that a person speaking Setesdal dialect from Norway could also be able to hold a conversation with someone from Viking Age, but I don't know.
Pronunciation is only part of the reason they can read the sagas, the biggest reason is probably their vocabulary. Their ortography is also a bit conservative, which helps. A Norwegian would have no problem reading the sagas if they were familiar with the words, the sound changes are pretty irrelevant across the Nordic languages. It's the words that matter.
Another thing, the sagas people from Iceland read is a bit changed to be closer to modern Icelandic. It probably doesn't matter at all for people to be able to read them, it's really minor, but it's enough to piss me off, with their lack of distinction between ö and rounded a. So yeah, doesn't really change anything, just a little bit dumbed down and more degenerate in Icelandic publications.
>>61918814
This, desu.
>>61931456
They can read Old English better than other contemporary languages as well.
>>61920769
Icelandic vowels are quite different from Old Norse and continental Scandinavian, arguably being simpler than Old Norse but Icelandic consonants are far richer and more complex than Old Norse
>>61924353
wow that's awesome I understood pretty much everything
can't really understand much conversational Faroese but when they accentuate this properly it becomes easy even though most of the vowels are different
Faroese and Icelandic are artificially close in general though since Faroese orthography was invented in the 19th century and made as etymological as possible and mostly based on Icelandic
>>61932269
>Their ortography is also a bit conservative, which helps.
this is a massive understatement
Icelandic is written very close to Old Norse
there are differences but they're minor and a native speaker of one can easily read the other
>>61923987
The English cognate to "Stul" is "stool", not "seat". And is Stein really the Crimean Gothic word for Sun rather than Stone?
>>61933303
Written Faroese was originally phonetic (first attempt by J.H. Schroeter and later Jákup Jakobsen), but it fell out of favour. Mostly because of dialects. Example of phonetic Faroese (Lord's Prayer, Schroter):
Feâjir vaar, tû sum ér ui Himlunun!
Haillit væri Navn tuit!
Kómi Ruigji tuit! Skjé tuin Villie,
sum ui Haimmalinun, so ogsó aa Jorini!
Gjév okkun ui Deâ okkara daglia Brei!
O forlaad okkun okkara Skjild,
sum víd forlaada Skjildarun okkara!
O lai okkun ikkje inn ui Fruistilse!
Men fruja okkun fraa tui Onda!
Thui tuit ér Ruigje o Méje o Harlihaid ui Evihaid! Amen!
>>61933553
also hus is house obviously like mus is mouse, lus louse, etc.
>>61933681
Etymological
Faðir vár, Tú, sum ert í Himli.
Heilagt verði navn Títt.
Komi ríki Títt.
Verði vilji Tín, sum í Himli, so á jorð.
Gev okkum í dag okkara dagliga breyð.
Og fyrigev okkum syndir okkara, so sum vit eisini fyrigeva teimum, ið móti okkum synda.
Leið okkum ikki í freistingar, men frels okkum frá tí illa.
Tí at títt er ríkið, valdið og heiðurin um allar ævir.
Amen
So is this a /skandi/ thread now?
>>61933303
They speak very slowly and clearly on the news and radio. In normal conversations, most people don't really use that kind overly-Faroese vocabulary, and instead mix in Danish and English words and speak in a more simple and relaxed manner. I just think Icelandics speak so quickly that the sentences get a bit flustered and I'm only able to catch a few familiar words.
>>61933681
That is incredibly straightforward to read and comprehend
>>61933864
It's readable, but still a unstandardized mess. Also, notice how influenced it is by Schroter's southern dialect.
>>61933763
more like /faroice/
>>61933681
>>61933757
compared to Icelandic
Faðir vor, þú sem ert á himni
Helgist þitt nafn [Heilagt verði nafn þitt]
Til komi þitt ríki
Verði þinn vilji, svo á jörðu sem á himni
Gef oss í dag vort [okkar] daglegt brauð
Og fyrirgef oss vorar skuldir, svo sem vér og fyrirgefum, vorum skuldunautum [Og fyrirgef okkur syndir okkar, svo sem við fyrirgefum þeim sem á móti okkur syndga]
Eigi leið þú oss í freistni, heldur frelsa oss frá illu
Því að þitt er ríkið, mátturinn [valdið] og dýrðin að eilífu [um allar æfir]
Amen
you can see how much more similar it is to the latter
all the vowels in the former are so different
in [] I included a direct analogy to the Faroese text when it also made sense in Icelandic
>>61918841
WTF I hate Iceland now
>>61920778
old english is because of the nordic influence english gained, yes. modern english is not lmao
>>61933789
yes Icelandic is spoken fairly quickly and words tend to blend together
"Hvað er að gerast maður?" -> "Hva'r ah' gerast ma'r?", "Hvað segirðu gott?" "Hva' sei'ru gott?" etc.
>>61934045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15joCwPYYk8
>>61933303
Well, when it comes to ortography, I am no expert in Icelandic pronunciation, but I wouldn't really consider easy to understand things wrong. When "tt" is pronounced "ht", that's very straight forward, with only one way to write it when you have the pronunciation, and only one way to pronounce it when you have it written. I wouldn't consider this something that is needlessly conservative and useless. It's like when Norwegian pronounces "o" as what most languages pronounce "u", it's not really a problem, it just follows different rules from other languages.
Who is to say that ó has to be a long o, why can't it be ou? As long as it works for the language with no irregularities, the ortography is perfect, even if it isn't exactly like every other language.
>>61934783
I actually agree completely and didn't mean to give a different impression. Icelandic orthography while not completely phonetic is extremely regular and internally consistent so you can write any word you hear and say any word you read with only a few minor exceptions (ll ambiguity mostly).
>>61920575
>That song
Whilst Jamal is doing Adalheid from behind these losers are drafting up edgy songs and groaning them from as low as possible for added edginess
kekekeke
>>61935429
Relax man
