Were neanderthals white?
That guy isnt a neanderthal, and neanderthals carried genes for red heir so a few probably were
>>61797962
That was a mesolithic guy from Iberia.
>>61797962
I would argue that Neanderthaal DNA IS THE DECISIVE criterion for determining who is White and who isn't.
It's their genetic contribution that made modern humans less opportunistic, more patient, more skilled in crafts and trades, and also gave us the sharp facial features, deep sunken eyes, fair pigmentation etc.
It is the defining characteristic of White people.
>>61798001
He was the pre-historic hunter-gatherer.
Hunter-gatherers were some of the oldest human-Neanderthaal hybrids.
So yes, he's the prototype for White people.
Unfortunately Iberia and the south of Europe were flooded by brown Arab farmers 8,000 years ago, which eradicated and diluted the DNA of these ancient White people. Pic related.
>>61798033
But over the last 40,000 years neanderthal dna has slowly been selected out of european populations. Most of it was not advantageous
>>61797962
>blue eyes
meme
that mutation is really recent, neanderthals were already extincted
>>61798106
Meme tier knowledge
The WHG of who you are referring did not have much more Neanderthal dna than modern europeans. They also did not carry any light skin alleles, at least the west european ones. They only became the dominant population in europe after the LGM for a short time before the Anatolian farmers arrived, who btw had nothing to do with arabs. They group closer to modern sardinians and they carried more white skin alleles than the WHG
>>61798155
It was not "selected out" but simply absorbed and diluted, to the point it makes up approx 3% of the genome of most modern day Europeans.
>>61798265
It's the canadian haitiANO. Ignore him, it's easy to spot him because he is always megabutthurt about southern Europe.
>>61798166
Neanderthaals are not extinct. They continue to live on, within us.
Well, maybe not you, since you're non-white.
Neanderthals were dutch
>>61798404
nice proxy, brian lopezson
>>61798265
>The WHG of who you are referring did not have much more Neanderthal dna than modern europeans.
Which means the Neanderthaals were already assimilated by then. Their numbers were very low to start off with so once the sapiens landed and started fornicating with them, their massive numbers drowned out the Neanderthaal genotype.
> Anatolian farmers arrived, who btw had nothing to do with arabs. They group closer to modern sardinians and they carried more white skin alleles than the WHG
Speaking of meme-tier Wikipedia interpretations, the Sardinians are almost 100% pure descendents the Anatolian farmers. They have virtually none of the older HG DNA, making them almost totally non-White.
It's a shame, but modern European today is most brown-sand nigger descendants.
>>61798351
Dna isnt absorbed or diluted, it's selected for. Much of the degenerative genes given to us by Neanderthals have slowly been purged from European populations. There was obviously some benefits from mixing with them but there was also a lot of detrimental factors that were not selected for and lost over time
>>61798606
And this is where I ignore you for being an autist, jesus christ
>>61798106
>
Hunter-gatherers were some of the oldest human-Neanderthaal hybrids.
Again, false.
Neanderthals were present in the Levant and Anatolia too and that's were they encountered Europeans first.
>So yes, he's the prototype for White people.
Again false, as Asians, Arabs, North Africans, Europeans and other populations are all mixed with neanderthals
>Unfortunately Iberia and the south of Europe were flooded by brown Arab farmers 8,000 years ago, which eradicated and diluted the DNA of these ancient White people
They weren't Arabs, as they came from Western Anatolia and Greece and were distinct populations from Arabs, and as I've already said they were mixedwith neanderthals as much as the European hunter gatherers.
Also, funnily enough those "brown Arabs" are the ones brought the genes for white skin to most of Europe, before that Europeans were brown.
On a side note, that farmer component in the your graph is already mixed with Western Hunter gatherers itself.
>>61798033
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/10/07/science.aad2879.short
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905
>>61798606
>They have virtually none of the older HG DNA
Again false, not that I expected you to make sense after reading your first post which contains so many incredible inaccuracies and errors that it's not even funny.
Sardinians have about 34% Western Hunter gatherer admixture, as the Anatolian and Balkan farmers from whom they descend mixed heavily with hunter gatherers, see pic related.
Sardinians have more European hunter gatherer admixture than South Italians and Sicilians.
Pic related.
>>61798706
2bf on his part SHG, EHG and CHG all carried light skin alleles as well without contact with EEF. Afaik no WHG have been found with any though
>>61798854
>>61798606
Also pic related.
Blue= European hunter&gatherer
Orange=Anatolian farmer
Aqua blue=Caucasus hunter and gatherer
>>61798937
Yes, I know but those were isolated populations
>>61798978
>>61798854
>>61798606
>>61798698
>Dna isnt absorbed or diluted, it's selected for.
Are you stupid or deliberately playing semantics games?
Neanderthaal DNA must have obviously been "select for" at some point since nearly every modern European carries it.
>>61798706
You make some good points Luigi, I'm aware of all of those.
If it's not the HGs that are a reliable threshold for Whiteness, than I argue it is the ANE/central Asian/Yamnaya genes. I believe they are responsible for the blondism across Europe.
>>61799159
>>61798606
>>61799196
> than I argue it is the ANE/central Asian/Yamnaya genes. I believe they are responsible for the blondism across Europe.
Partially, though the early Yamnaya from 3200-3000 bc were darker than modern day South Europeans and didn't have blonde hair and lacked light eyes almost completely.
>>61799272
>Partially, though the early Yamnaya from 3200-3000 bc were darker than modern day South Europeans and didn't have blonde hair and lacked light eyes almost completely.
Then who were the blonde mummies scattered across Western China? Some were as old as the first Egyptian dynasties.
>>61799211
That map coincides with what can generally be referred to as "Whiteness" or fairness. So it's a pretty damn convenient proxy even though you claim that HGs were all swarthy.
>>61799272
They were present but it wasnt the majority
>>61799196
It has been selected against gradually over time ever since it first entered the population. Chances are it was just forced upon a small founding population. Also DNA is not absorbed or diluted, these terms do not properly describe what happens when it's passed across generations so do not use them
>>61799461
The WHG in east europe comes from the EHG sub population that actually had fair skin unlike the WHG in the west. Also some of it probably arrived with the Yamnaya as well, WHG did not have light skin like the EEF or EHG
>>61799393
>Then who were the blonde mummies scattered across Western China? Some were as old as the first Egyptian dynasties.
Not Yamnaya but rather proto Scytians.Central Asian I guess.
>"So as it turns out, prehistoric North Pontic Steppe populations buried in Kurgan mounds are overwhelmingly dark pigmented (by modern Eurocentric standards). The populations of this area and time period are the most favored among linguists today to have been the speakers of the Proto Indo-European language (this hypothesis is known as the Kurgan hypothesis). See data below for details."
>"another article released a year later basically revealed the same thing, although this study focused the pigmentation of many ancient European populations in comparison to modern ones including pre Neolithic Western Hunter Gatherers and early Neolithic Farmers in Europe. But the study did also include a sample set from the Yamnaya culture which is identified by most linguists as the speakers of the Proto Indo-European language on the eve of their great expansion. Only 11% of the Yamnaya in this sample from the Samar Oblast region carry alleles for light eyes, as they are noticeably darker pigmented in skin and eyes than contemporary Southern Europeans. See data below.
"
>"You'll also notice that the blue and green bars represent the presence of light skin color alles, and their frequency in Yamnaya is lower than modern Southern Europeans as well. The blue bar in Yamnaya is equal to modern Europeans, but the green bar is lower. The data is clearly pointing to the idea that most of the presence of blue eyes in Europe derives from pre Neolithic and pre Indo-European speaking Western Hunter Gatherers, who are uniformly blue eyed. The data also points that natural selection has been favoring an increase in light skin over the past 5,000 in most areas of Europe, peaking in contemporary Northern Europe. "
>>61799582
I think the literature most commonly refers to them as ANE.
I think this is where a lot of the research needs to be done. It appears that there were several wave of ANE penetration into Europe and this resulted in many of the visible demographics we see today.
A lot of even southern Europeans have ANE genes so they must have been Slav'd/Germanized in the past.
>>61798106
pro-tip: Otzi had more Neanderthal admixture than any modern European, even the more WHG-like in northeast Europe
>>61799841
>A lot of even southern Europeans have ANE genes so they must have been Slav'd/Germanized in the past.
Well, they have it but in really low rates compared to Eastern Euros, it's probably due to Proto-Italics taking over in Southern Europe, and other Indo European speaking populations invading Greece and Spain.
>I think the literature most commonly refers to them as ANE.
As far I know the ANE were dark skinned/eye people and are related to native Americans such as Karelians from Brazil, and don't resemble modern Europeans much.
>>61800018
Would you trade your EEF sister for my ANE sister?
>>61800192
Sorry but I only date Caucasians :^)
>>61800161
But the south Siberian Kurgan people for example (part of ANE) had a rather high amount of fair skin and blue eyes:
>http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2009/05/ancient-siberians-carrying-r1a1-had_24.html
>>61800306
That's a strange remark, because some of the highest incidences of ANE is in the Caucasus populations. R1a.
>>61800161
>Karelians from Brazil
What the actual fucking fuck
>>61800540
I meant Caucasians as in "west Eurasians", ANE is more of a pan-Siberian/pan-Eurasian thing. ANE after all is what connects native Americans to Europeans, mostly north Europeans.
>>61800504
I don't know about that, the Yamnaya who were mixed with ANE didn't have fair pigmentation originally
>>61800658
The lenghts Southern Europeans go to to cope with the fact that they're swarthy as fuck
>N- Northern Europeans are actually Native Americans we are the true whites
my sides
>>61800722
not an argument
sorry but you are not fully Caucasian, don't commit seppuku over it
>>61800758
I couldn't care less about some invisible shit you can't even see. I hope those graphs help you deal with your swarthiness.
>>61800161
>As far I know the ANE were dark skinned/eye people and are related to native Americans such as Karelians from Brazil, and don't resemble modern Europeans much.
Pretty sure that blondism is a mutation that originated somewhere in the ANE genepool and was selected for sexually and disperses across Europe and Asia when the ANEs expanded several times.
Just because one sample of an ancient ANE did not have the recessive genes for fairness simple means that individual did not carry the genes. A great modern example of older ANE I think is Byork - she has not eastern Asiatic ancestry at all but you can tell her origins are in the north, or Siberia. It's a rare modern expression of these very old genes.
Her daughter for example has blue eyes.
>>61800758
>>61800920
Guys this is a serious discussion.
If you wanna shitpost >>>/pol/ is over there
>>61800920
wait, are you people so deluded that you think we actually want to be like you?
your women wouldn't flock to southern Europe to "find themselves" if it was so bad being a Med master race
>>61800658
ANE is also the principle genetic component of Scandinavia and Eastern and Northern Europe...
I just read an article about neanu bones being found in Belgium implying they were not only cannibals, but used the bones of their rip and eaten brothers as tools.
>>61801011
>ANE is also the principle genetic component of Scandinavia and Eastern and Northern Europe
lol no, north Euros are for the most west Eurasians as well, they just tend to pick up more of this old Siberian component
>>61800681
The Yamnaya were an older, seed population for ANE, no?
Their composition is mostly EHG+WHG.
I keep assuming that ANE is just an analog name for Yamnaya.
>>61800996
>Fair features
>Not universally adored
Stay in denial, Mario.
>>61801163
in women and children(and manchildren), yes
there's no denial my chink friend, it's dark&handsome, not cadaveric&autistic
>>61801064
ANE and Yamnaya are not the same thing, ANE were a Siberian population who was ancestors also to native Americans , the Yamnaya were only mixed with them.
>>61801059
The one I posted here:
>>61798106
Suggest significant impact of ANE.
But yes, most Europeans, still seem to be broadly a combination of WHG/EHG except those areas that were strongly EEF'd.
>>61801234
Yamnaya is not ANE though, it's a mix of EHG and a bunch of Caucasian hunter gatherers with lots of ancestry from neolithic Iran(and thus having the same Basal Eurasian component that made EEF so different).
Both of those had some ANE ancestry but it wasn't dominant.
>>61801059
WE WUZ INCAS AND MAYANS AND SHEEEEIT
>>61801225
>mfw memegraphs make me feel better about my arab-tier looks
>>61801230
Well shit, I need to dive back into some of the literature.
So to make sure I have this straight, Yamnaya are an offshoot to a much more ancient ANE population, they are the bearers of the proto-Indo European language.
>>61801396
>damage control
keep up Chang, your tears are delicious
>>61801330
> with lots of ancestry from neolithic Iran(and thus having the same Basal Eurasian component that made EEF so different).
Are you sure about this? I've read some paper suggesting that it was the expansion of ANE and proto-Indo Europeans into Iran and the Hindu Kush that is responsible for the R1a impact in those populations.
>>61801225
>manchildren
topkek, how about you post your profile so we can compare it to the manchild in pic related
>>61801330
Actually, a lot of papers don't even distinguish ANE from Yamnaya.
>>61801506
that's later in the bronze age, the genesis of these separate groups is older
check out http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311
>>61801522
me on the left
>>61801585
>Actually, a lot of papers don't even distinguish ANE from Yamnaya.
Are you kidding?
Yamnaya only have a minor ANE admxiture, they were distinct populations
>>61801441
I'd rather be a Northern European with a few percentages of ANE admix over being some 100% swarthy docile farmer from Italy desu
>>61801522
>>61801441
Let's tone down the banter fellers.
Summarize what we have so far:
Northern Europeans are mostly of indigenous European hunter-gatherer origin, while Southern Europeans are largely derived from Neolithic farmers of mixed European and Near Eastern origin.
Three ancestral populations make up 99% of the European genome: (WHG, EEF and ANE).
>>61801739
good for you, I wasn't the one who started talking shit out of your deep resentment
leave the thread now, adults are talking
>>61797962
The whitest
>>61801332
You should see the documentary Lost Warriors Carthage, which tells the story of a possible trip to South America 2000 years ago by the Carthaginians, with Spanish soldiers (mainly Celtic)
The data provided are not conclusive but give a high probability that they settled there, among other things because there are genetic traces of northwestern Spain in hidden areas of the Peruvian Andes, where not even the Spanish conquest of America was reached.
>>61801766
Depends on how you model things, but basically yes, even though the proto-IE, who impacted north Europe more than south Europe, also brought their fair amount of extra-European input from Iran and the caucasus, and moreover, WHG and EHG aren't that close together and could be considered as two different groups.
>>61801766
>orthern Europeans are mostly of indigenous European hunter-gatherer origin
False, Northen Europeans have a lot of Central Asian/Siberian admixture too, Western Europeans like French and Brits are midway
>>61801690
>http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311
That's a good read. This Lazardis guy is s hero that we all need and don't deserve.
>>61801690
That man looks like he farm the shit out of you.
>>61801735
I read one paper talking about Yamnaya inputs and then another talking about ANE dispersals about the same time. Fucking anthrofags, do they think this is some social science?
>>61802061
>Northen Europeans have a lot of Central Asian/Siberian admixture too
not really tbqh familia
>>61801690
The neolithic farmer symbol
>>61802061
I find you starting your sentence like that a bit rude desu and not at all conducive to discussion, because just a few posts ago you were saying >>61801059
And now you make absolutist statements.
>>61801910
Even Sardinians who have almost no IE influence speak a Indo-European language. So I'd say you guys got pretty heavily ANE'd.
Too bad there's no good research on the proliferation of the ANEs and Indo-European speakers in the bronze age. But it must have been a significant episode since most of us now speak Indo-European and there's genetic traces all across central and south Europe.
I think this group holds some of the most interest secrets to European pre-historic demographics right now.
>>61802137
Not sure I like this classification desu.
WTF is an Atlantic-Baltic anyway? Atlantic-Baltics are a mix of EHG, WHG, EEF and ANE.
I guess it's the ratio of these that matters.
>>61802471
>I find you starting your sentence like that a bit rude desu and not at all conducive to discussion, because just a few posts ago you were saying >>61801059
That's not me though, I don't see what's rude about saying "false, especially when this is coming from a guy who was calling Italians Arabs, non neanderthal sub-human and such other things
>>61802241
ANE symbol.
>>61802471
There's two of us posting m8. I'm >>61801059
>Even Sardinians who have almost no IE influence speak a Indo-European language. So I'd say you guys got pretty heavily ANE'd.
Come on m8 that's not how it works, Sardinia was heavily Latinized by Romans in historical times, otherwise from what little we can tell of pre-Roman Sardinia, there doesn't seem to be much traces of IE speak, except for maybe the north-east which has been linked with the Ligures, but even the latter are normally consider a neolithic remnant.
Judging from the paternal lineages of western Europe we can definitely tell that the arrival of the warlike Indo-Europeans was a huge cultural step for Europe, it's no wonder only remote angles of western Europe like the Basque country and Sardinia seem to have managed to survive, with the latter only holding up until Romans showed up.
>>61802666
It's obvious my first posts were half-truths for b8ing purposes.
>>61802241
I thought Stonehenge was built by Bell Beaker people?
>>61798106
>Canadian flag
Oh you.
>>61802710
>we can definitely tell that the arrival of the warlike Indo-Europeans was a huge cultural step for Europe
How exactly?
The first civilizations in Europe were all pre-indo Europeans, such as the Minoans and the Etruscans, and even the ancient Sardinians held a relevant spot during the bronze age-early iron age before getting Punicize'd
>>61802710
>Come on m8 that's not how it works, Sardinia was heavily Latinized by Romans in historical times
I see you've read the literature... Good answer.
>Judging from the paternal lineages of western Europe we can definitely tell that the arrival of the warlike Indo-Europeans was a huge cultural step for Europe, it's no wonder only remote angles of western Europe like the Basque country and Sardinia seem to have managed to survive, with the latter only holding up until Romans showed up.
I'll have to admit that up until a few minutes ago assumed the spread of Indo-European languages came with the Neolithic farmers.
Now this whole ANE thing which happened a bit later in the bronze age seems to have caused a turbulent period.
At what point and where did Western Europeans acquire their ANE DNA? This is still not very well researched, is it?
>>61802919
ANE came from the Yamnaya. Yamnaya were a mix of EHG and CHG, both had a decent amount of ANE ancestry
>>61802825
It was mainly built between 3000 and 2600 bc so the population was most likely still neolithic, also not all the people who adopted bell beaker pottery were the same genetically, take Sardinians for instance, they adopted it but were barely influenced genetically by the people from whom they adopted it.
>>61802917
Not denying that but the arrival of the Indo-Europeans changed the culture of Europe a lot, starting obviously from the language shift, but also the religious and general societal shift, not to mention the genetic shift, mostly appreciable by the huge shift in paternal lineages, confirming the patriarchal nature of this new arrivals.
By the way, the Etruscans might have been genetically neolithic for the most but they were influenced both by the Greeks(Indo-European) and obviously by the proto-Villanovan culture of Italy which has its roots in IE culture.
>>61803094
Do they even have genetic samples from the Stonehenge? They talk about finding bodies their but I never heard of any DNA from the area being examined
>>61802964
That still doesn't answer the question of how and when did the ANE enter into the broad European genome and how this coincides with the propagation of Indo European language and culture as the archaeological evidence indicates.
Where the ANEs proto-Slavic/Germanic peoples?
Why are there so few samples of ancient Europeans between Poland and the Ural mountains considering this is the source for some of the most important transformations of Europe?
>>61803158
>confirming the patriarchal nature of this new arrivals.
True that, in fact the Etruscans and Minoans seem both to have been matriarchal or at least much more egalitarian societies.
>>61803173
See pic related, some overlap with central Euros, others with Spaniards and what seem to be north Italians.
>>61803158
>confirming the patriarchal nature of this new arrivals.
True that, in fact the Etruscans and Minoans seem both to have been matriarchal or at least much more egalitarian societies.
>>61803173
I don't know honestly, but to me it seems connected to the megalithic monuments of Ireland and in general to the megalithic phenomenon in Europe which is connected with neolithic farmers
>>61803173
Britbongs are descended from stonehengeniggers
>>61803242
What sample?
>>61803233
>Where the ANEs proto-Slavic/Germanic peoples?
No offense but this question is pretty autistic. ANE refers to a very ancient population that existed around 25,000bc as compared to the WHG and EEF who only came about 12000 years ago. The ANE have nothing to do with Germans or Slavs. It's just a remnant of ancient DNA that Indo european reintroduced to Europe. The EHG and especially the CHG were both partially descended from the ANE and they came to create the Yamnaya. Yamnyaya spread it around europe.
>>61803242
Which population represents samples from Stonehenge?
>>61803376
>>61803416
>Which population represents samples from Stonehenge?
I'm not sure desu I just remembered that PCA had Beakers on it, but it confirms that they weren't a single ethnic group, so I assume the ones who built Stonhenge would be more similar to Britons.
>>61803237
The Minoans specifically had a very strange society that was largely matriarchal. Of course they got wiped out by the patriarchal, militant IE arrivals.
>>61803309
And Frisian farmers _+ Norse settlers.
>Finns proud of having the most hunter gatherer ancestry in Europe
>hunter gatherers were savage shitskins and Finland and this is evidence by the fact that Finland was one of the last places of Europe to be fully introduced to civilization
>>61803522
Stonehenge was built before proto indo Europeans mixed with the native copper age people of England
>>61803416
Dude, WHG are ancient, they are the descendants of the first human-Neanderthaal hybrids.
EEF influences only appear in Europe around the Neolithic, so more like 8k years b.p.
>>61799196
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160606103654.htm
Neanderthal DNA fucked early humans up.
>>61803416
>The ANE have nothing to do with Germans or Slavs. It's just a remnant of ancient DNA that Indo european reintroduced to Europe. The EHG and especially the CHG were both partially descended from the ANE and they came to create the Yamnaya. Yamnyaya spread it around europe.
Alright, so I keep confusing the two two groups. So just substitute Yamnaya into what I said.
>>61797962
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/please-stop-using-neanderthal-as-an-insult-say-neanderthal-experts
Cool counter culture article about Neanderthals.
>>61803732
Substitute what with Yamnaya?
>>61803692
WHG only appear around 14000bc after the LGM. Before that Magdelanian mega fauna hunters inhabited Europe and there is no modern population directly descended from them
>>61803732
Yeah Yamnaya is not ANE. ANE is just a partial ancestor to the EHG and CHG that created the Yamnaya
>>61803805
Where did WHG come from?
>you will NEVER live in a comfy Neanderthal tribe
>>61803805
Are hunter gatherers not the descendants of Cro Magnon and to a lesser degree Neanderthaals?
>>61803866
I assumed they emerged from the Cro Magnon human expansion into Europe. Those at the perimeter of the expansion would interact and breed with Neanderthaals, thus resulting in a largely sapien population with a small pre-human footprint.
>>61804080
>I assumed they emerged from the Cro Magnon human expansion into Europe
He just told you they didn't:
>>61803805
>>61797962
WHGs are not neanderthals.
>>61798033
No, only fenno-scandinavians have significant levels of neanderthalic DNA in Europe, ainu, australoids and native americans have more than most europeans.
>>61798978
Yamna were pastoralists, not hunter-gatherers.
>>61797962
>>61797992
It is hilarious how Whites / Europeans have a circlejerk about Neanderthal DNA. Then when further genome testing reveals that East Asians have MORE neanderthal DNA than Europeans, they ignore that.
"Researchers also have found a peculiar pattern in non-Africans: People in China, Japan and other East Asian countries have about 20 percent more Neanderthal DNA than do Europeans."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/science/a-new-theory-on-how-neanderthal-dna-spread-in-asia.html?_r=0
If Neanderthal DNA in Europeans is beneficial, East Asians = superior race.
>>61804101
>He just told you they didn't:
Well, excuse me, but those Magdalenian fauna hunters did not spawn from the soil, they must have originated from the Cro Magnon themselves.
>>61803866
They took refuge in southern Europe during the ice age, they were related to a smaller hunter gatherer group that existed before the last ice age but disappeared for ten thousand years and reappeared after the LGM and replaced other more prominent paleolithic European groups that modern europeans are no longer descended from.
>>61804012
They are descendants of Paleolithic groups but I wouldnt say cro magnons, they also didnt have much more neanderthal dna than we do.
>>61804310
>that existed before the last ice age
That existed where?
>>61804395
In Europe around 35,000bc, they then disappear and turn up again around 14,000bc
>>61804223
>If Neanderthal DNA in Europeans is beneficial, East Asians = superior race.
It may have been beneficial to speed up adaptation of the early humans to the northern latitudes.
In the high altitude plateaus of Asia, breeding with Neanderthaals helped the early humans deal with the lower air density.
But since then, East Asians have devolved and become a physically atrophied race of cuckolds, with weak skeletons, defective vision and suppressed sexual selection, which is why there is so little sexual dimorphism in East Asians.
Modern Asian genetics are defective.
>>61804223
To be fair the difference is small, and different environments might have selected for different beneficial Neanderthal traits. I see Neanderthal admixture as a sort of source of possibly good and possibly bad new genes from a species so used to the European/Eurasian environment compared to us sapiens, and indeed it does seem that Neanderthal related ancestry went down in Europeans from the upper paleolithic to our days, maybe suggesting a weeding out process of the most damaging genes.
>>61798854
>the Anatolian and Balkan farmers from whom they descend mixed heavily with hunter gatherers
That's wrong though, in a Global PCA including ancients Early European/Anatolian farmers are the most distinctively not a mixture of anything population, they come off as partially WHG in ADMIXTURE for the same reason as Italians come off as partially Latino in picrelated ADMIXTURE run, because ADMIXTURE can't show closely related populations as completely different components. WHGs having come into Europe from the Middle East some 14k years ago and Early Farmers doing the same some 5k years later, they would obviously be related peoples. Or do you believe Italians have Latino admixture from mixed people in Latin America?
>>61809875
His post is supported by archaeology. There are human-Neanderthaal skulls found in the Levant that are nearly 100k years old, meaning that the hybridization first took place in the Near East, and those people then branched out.
>>61809875
It all depends on how you run your tests, what populations you use and how many clusters you consider, this doesn't disprove anything he said, that said farmers pick up ancestry from the very divergent(compared to neolithic levantines and neolithic iranians) west hunter gatherers, and this ancestry only goes up with time reaching its highest among Basques, which makes sense as the longer they stayed in Europe the more they mixed with the locals as they converted to farming.
>WHGs having come into Europe from the Middle East some 14k years ago and Early Farmers doing the same some 5k years later, they would obviously be related peoples
not necessarily, as the latter show ancestry from a highly divergent basal population who split from the ancestors of Eurasians before the latter split into eastern eurasians and western eurasians
How do you guys know so much about race and genetics?
>>61810394
autism
also I have a maths degree, oriented towards statistics, so that gave me a good headstart as most of this stuff is based on nice tools coming from statistics
>>61810394
Browsing anthroforums out of boredom
>>61810147
How can Early European/Anatolian farmers be a mixture of anything in this plot? It's impossible.
>>61809972
Did you notice the people in Europe pre-14k years ago cluster close to Indians and had Dark pigmentation all over? WHG came from the middle east recently just like Early Farmers.
>>61810147
There is no evidence of there ever being any "Basal Eurasian" population, peoples assumed to have it like Iran neolithic and EEF drift in completely different directions, it is the consequence of the bizarre assumption that Ust’-Ishim was the only extant human in Eurasia 45k years ago with the bizarre consequence that WHGs are somehow more closely related to East Asians on the other side of the PCA than EEFs, CHG, Natufians and other Caucasoid peoples right next to them in the PCA.
>>61797962
Whites evolved only 10,000 years ago apparently. So no. Neanderthals and everyone who is dark skinned are much much older and more primitive creatures.
Whites are the pinnacle of evolution.
>>61810837
why is it impossible exactly?
also, regarding the basal eurasian concept, it's true that for the moment it's a concept that comes out only from statistics, but Ust-Ishim isn't the only reason why it has been called out, we've got other paleoEuropeans inbetween him and WHGs who still have the same "problem" that lead researchers to come up with the BE concept in the first place
what's your take on the genesis of modern west Eurasians then?
>>61797962
That's not a Neanderthal
