How Europeans identify
Comissioners btfod
Do British people even have feelings?
>>61767088
It doesn't include the regional identity so it's useless. Many people would say european instrad ofnthe national.
Countries that matter, wouldn´t mind if the other would leave, especially the unthankful scum from the right side of the oder!
>>61767088
All the smart countries on the bottom
>>61767088
Spain results are too eurified because of nationalists identifying as "MUH REGION"
>>61768091
Wouldn't want you to have any nationalistic feelings would we fritz
>UK 40 years in the union.
>Had apparently no influence at all.
How?
European and Nationality 2bh
>>61768205
>being proud of the location where you were born
>being proud of other people around you
>not being proud of your personal achievements
>tfw one of the 2% in slovakia who identify as a european only
>>61767088
Really makes you think
>>61768539
ahoj, brother
>>61767088
I actually identify as European and British. I don't want to leave.
>>61768712
>>61768659
čau, fellow european
>>61768712
;_;
i literally cannot comprehend identifying as the continent you were born on, i understand nationality + european but just european or european first??
>>61768712
You have to leave
>>61768881
That's similar to what people were saying when nationalism was invented in the 1800s.
>>61767088
>people who put Europe before Finland: 5%
>fennoswedes in Finland: 5%
Goinsidenses?
>>61768962
except countries that unified under nationalist thought are still quite regional in mentality, italy being the prime example, aside from france which severely forced assimilation
>>61768881
European identity is an opportunity to overcome nationalism that destroyed our continent in the past
>>61768962
>nationalism invented in 1800's
>>61768232
Island mentality.
>>61769025
you don't think creating an artificial european identity would come with other problems?
>>61768712
Wait for 10 years, the old ppl will die, and i´m sure we won´t forget the young ppl going on the streets, i won´t!
>>61768712
Sucks to be you. Get ready for the new coming of the british 50s.
>>61768232
From what I was told they're still horribly ethnocentric and don't see themselves as European (as in belonging to the continent of Europe, not the institution). Even the little things such as not learning any foreign languages to the point where you can use it in coversation reinforces this feeling of cultural isolation.
>>61769051
1700s then.
>>61769025
Forcing an artificial EU identity just creates a nationalist backlash.
Hence all the populist right parties on the rise right now.
>>61768712
Get fucked you faggot, move to Brussels if you're not a Brit first.
>>61769072
It's not artificial and it's not without problems
European identity is not pan-European nationalism, it's post-nationalist
>>61769125
The Hundred years war invented English and French nationalism.
>>61769179
>It's not artificial
>28+ languages
Yeah it's as natural as "Belgian" nationalism is right?
>>61769179
>It's not artificial
>>61767088
>Germoney
>>61769051
there was no nationalism before french revolution. Land could switch from one royal family to another, without normal people noticing it.
Napoleon invented french nationalism to be able to mobilize the citizen in his mass armies (reason why french army was so big).
>>61769272
>there was no nationalism before french revolution
how do you people make it through the day with your stupid shit
LMAO
>>61769133
That's because of austerity which killed economic growth and created unemployment.
Some people are retreating to nationalism, even though nation states in Europe can no longer work.
>>61769174
Well, I do identify as British first, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But I still identify strongly as European.
>>61769337
>Austerity caused the right and not mass immigration
Every fucking time. Left wingers are delusional.
>>61769379
Being European doesn't mean you need to be in an anti-democratic political superstate project though. I'm sure the Swiss and Norwegians feels European just fine.
>>61769072
It doesn't really have to be forced. Hell, forcing wouldn't even work and would only result in rejection and backlash. It can however be encouraged with initiatives such as the Erasmus programme. Sure, this way the process is going to be slow as fuck but as you can see in the OP we're already kinda getting there, after nearly 60 years.
There are naturally some outliers such as the UK, but they decided to quit the union for a reason.
>>61769451
>It can however be encouraged with initiatives such as the Erasmus programme
All this does is make the elites feel European and the working class feel left behind.
>>61767088
could bet one of my kidneys that you would not find a single person here who would identify as 'european'
>>61769511
Well, you identify as RARE
>>61769434
The EU is as democratic as the UK.
>>61769434
>>61769599
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/world/europe/the-eu-is-democratic-it-just-doesnt-feel-that-way.html
>>61768712
Haha say bye bye to Europe
>>61769334
OH NO he posted a picture of a laughing nigger, the person he replied to sure must feel retarded now
>>61769502
Then we just have to make every one part of the elite. We already aligned our education system accirdingly. :^)
>>61769649
>>61769599
>parliament is a rubber stamp without power to initiate legislation
It's as democratic as the USSR
>>61769689
Yeah that seems to be working
>AfD rising in polls continuously
Enjoy
>>61769502
>Erasmus
>for elites
wat
even poorfag nationalities such as poles can afford to go on one since the EU partially funds your stay anyway
>>61769334
Without nationalism:
New Kingdom of Egypt: 500-100 years
Roman empire: 500-1500 years
Chinese empire: 5000 years
With nationalism:
Britain is falling apart
Spain is falling apart
Belgium is falling apart
Nationalism is the evil, that is holding the people back to become greater!
>>61769769
Can confirm but Spain is very poor
>>61769769
England has tuition fees. That's why not everyone can afford to go to uni there.
I guess that's what he meant.
>>61769816
I swear that all germans must be purged before they destroy everything
>>61767088
>>>61769689
>
Would you mind to elaborate?
>>61769816
>romans
>without nationalism
alright I'm out
>>61769769
Look at who gets into universities. It's not the working classes on the whole, and even when they do it's to shit tier ex-polytechnics who won't run erasmus.
>>61769692
All the important decisions in the EU are made by the European Council who are the heads of the members states, all of which are democratically elected. The European commission is appointed by both the European Council and the European Parliament. On the other hand, in the UK we have the House of Lords who are completely unelected. Why don't you complain about that?
>>61769816
Patriotism binds Americans together and made America great.
Nationalism is good when used as a binding and motivational factor.
>>61769816
>Roman empire
>no nationalism
Historically illiterate.
And China split into pieces about 20 times in the course of its existence.
>>61768712
If I were you I'd start looking if I had any Irish ancestors in my family ad secure myself an EU passport before it's too late. Going back to the old airport check-in system after being used to the open borders for so long is going to suck big time.
>>61769902
>On the other hand, in the UK we have the House of Lords who are completely unelected. Why don't you complain about that?
I do though and I would like to see it reformed. It's why I voted Lib dem before they became anti-democratic and said they'll ignore the referendum result.
And how does a British person vote Merkel out? Or Hollande? We can't, even when every UK MEP votes against a law (like the new one on port regulations that was going to fuck our ports in the arse) it still passes.
>>61768091
rude desu
>>61769881
If people were nationalistic Rome wouldn't have had such a large pool of able bodied men to recruit into its legions
>>61768712
>I actually identify as European and British. I don't want to leave.
You are still in the EU.If article 50 gets invoked you will have enough time to relocate to an EU state, i think.
>>61769816
Tribalism and the "dats my peoples land" feel (Protonationalism if you wish) was a thing tho since the ancient world.
Modern nationalism is simply the logical conclusion of that, as to belgium noone would give a shit about it crumbling anyway as it is made up from quiete different people.
To your list
>Turkey
>Taiwan
>Iran
>Tunisia
All were improved by nationalis, it lasting forever must not be an indicator for goodness.
(northkorean communism is bestest communism cause it lasts so long!)
>>61769935
so what they reunited, because they believed in the Union. I dont think the scots and irish will come back, once they are free
>>61770113
>so what they reunited, because they believed in the Union
Because they believed in the divine mandate you mean. It was always ended by someone conquering the rest and becoming emperor again. Everyone was a subject of the Emperor.
You clearly have no idea what you're on about.
> I dont think the scots and irish will come back, once they are free
Even the Irish president doesn't want Northern Ireland (it's a money black hole the republic can't afford). And there won't be a Scottish referendum without permission from Westminster.
>>61770008
We can't, in the same way that in the UK, people in constituency A can't vote out the representative for constituency B. What's the problem with that?
>>61768712
The fuck? Youre leaving the soviet union not Europe be happy.
>>61770103
Turkey was Osman Empire, that was destroyed by arab nationalism
Taiwan is Republic of China, they lost the civil war, and believed in one china till the 90th
Iran has a lot of nationalities living in Iran
Dont know anything about tunesia
>>61769881
>>61769334
>>61769051
Did you go to school or just went straight to the ikea formation centers?
Btw history graduate here
>>61768962
and>>61769272
are right
>>61770222
British MPs tend to care about the whole country.
German MEPs don't give a flying fuck about the UK.
>>61769881
If all the time you spent collecting hundreds of le funny reaction images was relocated into reading a single history book maybe you would stop replying like a drooling retard.
Everything he said is correct, nationalism is a late XVIII/early XIX century invention which rightfully suffered a quick death after WW2 in most civilized countries.
>>61770254
Turkey was also the subject of turkish nationalism who were tired of being a minority in the empire and wanted a country of their own.
>>61770280
>British MPs tend to care about the whole country.
Just like how our conservative government gives a shit about the north of England, Scotland or anywhere outside of London, right?
>>61769921
Yeah, but american nationalism is like chinese one. You dont have to be ethnical american to become american. So you can gain power from other cultures by assimilating them (The jews are good with culture, asian are good in stem, white ptrotestants are good with money, blacks have good bodies (army)) etc
>>61770317
>nationalism is a late XVIII/early XIX century invention
The Netherlands on independence from Spain? The hundred years war?
>>61770103
Nationalists destroyed Taiwan and literally sent troops to slaughter every taiwanese out in the street in 1947.
After WW2 Taiwan was a super developped Japanese province, and they obviously didnt want the chinese to take control of the island (keep in mind that basically everyone spoke japanese and one of the local languages not chinese).
Then came the nationalist dictatorship that lasted decades that made Taiwan go from japanese level to piss poor shithole, even though it wasnt affected by the war. Its only in the 80s when the dictatorship ended that Taiwan started to recover.
>>61769935
There was no nationalism in Roman Empire in the modern sense of the word.
People identified with their social class first and foremost. A Roman patrician had more in common with his Greek equivalent than with the unwashed Roman masses.
>>61770075
On the contrary, they had such a large pool of recruits because they offered Roman citizenship as a reward for military service. Without a strong nationalistic mindset clearly dividing "Romans" from "Non-Romans", the act of obtaining citizenship would have been hollow and arbitrary. With the line clearly drawn, becoming part of Rome was a powerful draw.
At least until they stopped trying to get actual born Romans in the legions. Then they ended up with the whole military consisting of a bunch of armed barbarians whose whole motivation is living in a Roman villa, who then wondered why they couldn't just go take the damn thing themselves instead of doing the whole service thing.
>>61770254
Osman empire was a shit. A shit made great by the Turkish nationalist Kemal ataturk who had jackshit to do with the baathists you might refer to when you say "arab" nationalists.
But the baathists were quiete based too safe for saddam.
Taiwanese nationalism has to be seen in its rejection of maoism, while theyd like to be greater china, their brand of nationalism let them prevail against the cultural desaster of the great leap forward, their flag is literally that of the ROC.
true, iranic ethnics who feel more similar to each other then to the central asians in the north, the sunni arabs of the south and the indians of the east.
Youve got frisians and sorbs too in germany without this making germany a non-nation.
You should visit /his/ more often if you do not bother to research otherwise.
>>61769935
>>Roman empire
>>no nationalism
Then you call him historically illiterate.
/pol/tard posts hurt to look at
>>61769921
The US is not in a region with a lot of equally powerful neighbours who can easily pose a threat to each other. You're able to be obnoxiously patriotic because you're isolated. Imagine if Mexico or Canada were as powerful as the US, and as nationalistic?
>>61770442
>>61770509
Oh..
I take back the taiwanese example then, I leaned to far into things I were ignorant of, but I remain adamat about my other points I know more about.
>>61770280
>British MPs tend to care about the whole country
hahahahahahahahahahaha
>>61770476
>I have no idea what nationalism means
This is for everyone thinking nationalism didnt emerge in the 19th century, READ HISTORIANS BOOKS REVIEWED BY PEERS THEY WILL ALL PROVE YOU WRONG
>>61767088
why does germany even participate in sport events anymore? their pride as a nation is non existent, just a bunch o cuks
also this shitty stat failed to mention being part of a subregion of a country as opposed to the whole country
>>61770614
You didnt refute him, instead you decided to say "you are wrong"
lmao @ your life
>>61770509
>Visiting /his/
>ever
This board is like a leprosy infected by plague its impossible to have any kind of discussion, this is /pol/ level when it should be /sci/ counterpart
>>61767088
>people saying they aren't european
so basically it's a non european level indicator?
Non troll question for real, why is German nationalism so dangerous? Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, and Belgium don't drag Europe into miserable world wars.
Is it because of the high population?
>>61770681
>You didnt refute him
Yes and?
I fail to see the issue.
>>61770476
Citizenship meant you weren't treated as second class. It was about political rights, not a love for the state.
>>61769740
AfD is backed by east germans.
East germans destroyed there country, now they try to destroy the work of BRD
>>61770725
Eh, its fine for superficial stuff and lots of small historical curiosities some people throw in.
>>61770771
>Austria [...] don't drag Europe into miserable world wars.
I beg to differ...
>>61770547
>The US is not in a region with a lot of equally powerful neighbours who can easily pose a threat to each other.
That hasn't been true since the Cold War. At any given moment, a few button presses in Moscow could see every major population center in the US obliterated with barely a half-hour's time to kiss your children goodbye. The only thing stopping it was the threat that we'd return the favor out of spite.
Proximity and threat are unrelated qualities.
>>61770802
>East germans destroyed there country
Actually just everybody with a brain left the DDR in favour of the BRD leaving only the poor and simple minded ones behin which is not a good condition for getting on your feed quickly..
>>61770771
They're important and relevant and Bismarck was a cunt that liked proving he was better through war which led to a spirale of wars
>>61770771
>Austria didn't drag Europe into miserable world wars
Austria-Hungary was entirely responsible for World War 1. The only reason Germany got the blame is because Austria-Hungary no longer existed by the time the war was over.
>>61769816
>>61769881
The problem is modern nationalism. Rome worked to achieve greatness and was rightfully proud of it. Today's nations just scream "MUH HERITAGE" and expect people to recognise them as a special snowflake that doesn't have to follow the rules
>>61770280
I don't think you're above the age of 12.
I bet you also think Santa is real and Farage is a saviour of the working class?
>>61767088
I'm only Austrian.
>>61770912
What rules?
But yeah, modern nationalism has a lot of the intellectual stuff sucked out of it, because nativism is now a movement which isnt backed by the students anymore.
>>61770892
Germany was fairly responsible too, it's unlikely Austria would have gone to war with Serbia without the German guarantee. If Little Willie wasn't so keen on swinging around his little willy, it's quite possible the whole thing would have been a local dispute forgotten about in a few years.
>>61770509
i will look in, thanks never thought about it
>>61770771
its not dangerous, thats what kikes tell them to think
>>61770912
theres different things to be proud of nowadays. people that think one is wrong to feel proud about a country or heritage are wrong.
they fail to understand that our countries are <az result of centuries of work, our cultures not only result in different values but different people. when spoiled cunts reach a certain richness they think they no longer need nationalism, that every achievement is trivial, that any country can become as they are, they take it all for granted
>>61770988
You're a nazi like 50% of austrians
>>61769816
>Chinese empire: 5000 years
Confirmed for knowing nothing about China. China has always been supremacist and has a tendency to wipe out non-Chinese cultures and nations, the name of China in Chinese means Middle Kingdom, they literally thought they were the middle of the universe blessed by heaven.
>>61771193
I'm not a Nazi. Wanting to create a European state is very Nazi though.
>>61770992
Off the top of my head: a poll about a year ago where British people thought we should be allowed free travel through Europe, but significantly fewer thought Europeans should be allowed to come to the UK.
>>61770425
>The Netherlands on independence from Spain?
Religious / dynastic war.
>The hundred years war?
Dynastic war, mostly.
There is a world of difference between "let's go to war because fuck the Spanish" and "let's go to war because current king is a filthy papist". The former didn't appear until XVIII/XIX century because the common man had literally no fucking idea what was happening outside of his home village/town.
>>61770771
Because we are the most powerful nation in EU and Europe beside Russia. I think Europe would look much different, without strong Green/Left Party in germany (i see them as cancer)
First thing to happen with strong nationalism:
>Austrians are germans
>Lichtensteiners are germans
>Part of Swissland is german
>Poland has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>France has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>Italy has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
Idont think you would want to live in a Europe, where germany has a strong national feeling
>>61771323
I wish Germany would be turned into individual states again. Then this could be avoided.
>>61771323
I would rather have a strong Germany than the current German state. We could probably be allies
>>61771359
Same with Austria. I could finally live in an independent Wien or Styria
>>61770280
Well, poorer parts of UK got a lot of monies from the EU. And I doubt the UK gouvernment will continue to subsidize those regions after Brexit.
So it looks in fact that EU gouvernment cares more about UK than British gouvernment
>>61771425
Austria is fine as it is. We are not so big that we ruin everything for everyone else.
>>61771258
Ah, yes.
You cant have your cake and eat it too.
Brexit was thought out horrible, while I support the idea itself a well thought out economic plan or at least several viable scenarios what to do should have been propositioned to be checked and presented to the population with all the consequences it would bring should have been layed out before with the same energy the squabble for the votes was fought.
Atm it seems like a bad publicity stunt gone to far.
>>61770771
>Non troll question for real, why is nationalism so dangerous?
ftfy
And it's dangerous because it leads to aggressive behaviour towards anything foreign and can be used to manipulate the masses who don't have anything else to be proud of.
>>61771323
>Denmark has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>Czech has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>Netherlands has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>Belgium has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
Fuck the list is endless :D
>>61771450
No but I think that small lands would spur intra land competition again. It's the main reason why both you and Germoney are so evenly developed in comparison to the UK
Why hasn't Greece allied with Austria or Romania? Those Austrians and Romanians know a thing or two about removing Turks.
>>61769942
>Irish citizenship
STOP DOING THIS OUR CITIZENSHIP ISNT FUCKING CANDY YOU PAKI LOVING BASTARDS
>>61769434
>I'm sure the Swiss and Norwegians feels European just fine.
Not sure what kind of answer you want, but I estimate it's somewhere similar to where Britain stands. I don't think people think about it too much, though.
Personally I'm one of the very few Norwegians who'd say they are more european or at least equally euro/native, but I think that's partially because I grew up allover Europe. I got a chance to understand the underlying common bond that Europeans share, something most people outside the coastal cities don't have a lot of experience with.
I have a second cousin who has literally never been outside of Norway's borders. He's been to Oslo once.
>>61771422
Next step would be USA. 30% of americans are germans, who forcefully where cut away from there heritage. Prepare the V2 Raketen!
>>61771323
Franco-german duopol is already the dominant force on the continent without adding nationalistic bullshit into the mix anyways.
Oh wait, Brits decided to do just that and the Franco-german leadership only got stronger. Woops!
>>61771555
The Uk is not evenly developed because you just do whatever London says most of the time. It would be like if we only listened to the green-voting retards who live in Vienna.
>>61771594
How about a dual empire. Two capitals in D.C and Berlin.
And then we deal with Russia
>>61768881
especially for germany it makes sense since the only thing that unites germans is the language. culturaly wise bavarians see themselfes closer to austrians, frisians closer to dutch etc
>>61771359
>>61771525
This. pan-germanism is a mistake.
It makes europe far to unbalanced because half europe has some sort of vague "german roots".
Nation state which aren't based on ethnicity like france are far more stable and don't turn so much into a us vs them kind thing.
>>61771323
>first thing to happen
nah
First thing to happen would be lashing out towards annoying minorities and a lot of reconstructivism/idealims put back inot education.
Irridentism is cancer, but we dont have the population aka young expendable men
to do such a thing and some kind of pragmatism would hopefully tame it, as europe is not the center of the world anymore and squabbles under each other would be seen in relation to other powerblocs being oppurtunistic on that weakness in contrast to back then when the central european powers could war and squabble all they wanted without a third party from outside like china or america stepping in.
>>61771594
There are german communities in Chile and Khazakstan too!
Also think back of the borders of the holy roman empire at its apex!
We need to go GROSSER!
>>61771646
>Oh wait, Brits decided to do just that and the Franco-german leadership only got stronger. Woops!
Exactly. Now there's one less guy to disagree with in Brussels. They might actually start to get shit done.
>>61771703
wtf man
i thought we were bros now
>>61771703
>and don't turn so much into a us vs them kind thing
>being this deluded
>>61771594
Haha no way, dc would be the capital of the province of New Anhalt. All americans who cant prove 100% german blood would be quilified as 2 tier Arier, but you guys still can serve in the SS. sorry but Ordnung muss seien
>>61771083
thats pretty dumb reasoning.
>its their fault because they were allied
everyone was allied with someone, else it would have been just austria vs serbia
>>61771422
we are allies you fucking retard and yes i want a stronger germany and no you dont want a stronger germany
>>61771661
Haha no way, dc would be the capital of the province of New Anhalt. All americans who cant prove 100% german blood would be quilified as 2 tier Arier, but you guys still can serve in the SS. sorry but Ordnung muss seien
>>61771558
allied when?
>>61771925
I do want a stronger Germany. Stronger than any German state in the last century.
>>61771171
>they fail to understand that our countries are <az result of centuries of work
I live in the country that conquered the world's largest empire. Of course it's something to be proud of. The problem is when past achievements like that are used to justify a country's place in global politics. If you want other countries to recognise how great you are, you need to accomplish something in the present- a powerful military, a world-class education system, technological innovations, high standard of living.
>>61771709
I dont think so. the majority of the ruling class atm are children of 68, so they wont be such a moderate shift to the right you want.
If something like this happens, than it would be a ruled by stupid ppl, backed by stupid east germans. They some of there desicion would be very good, but most of them would be cancer (look at linke/afd)
>>61772034
that would result in a weakened US on global scale
>>61771821
>>61771830
He's right, though. Germany is in the middle of the fucking continent. You have sea access in three directions, a literal fuck-ton of rivers, the alps to the south, the plains to the east... of course Germans are going to be allover the continent pissing to mark their spot.
A Grossgermania (no matter how non-autistic your vision is) would quite honestly only benefit Germans. Europe works the best when there's balance. Which is exactly why the Allies made you smaller.
>>61767088
the further down you are the more cucked you are
>>61772113
that is not true. not a single minister of our goverment is a 68er
>>61772240
You are sure?
They should at least be influenced by its ideals.
>>61769114
Most Europeans only learn English because of watching American media, hate the way you cunts act so snobby about that.
>>61768881
its weird
I would imagine you have to live there to feel it. Just a mixture of culture and language and shared history and no borders etc. I think it gets to you.
Us not being on the continent makes us surprisingly different as you can see from the picture in OP
>>61772305
our ministers grew up in the 70s-90s. they cared about drugs, sex and alcohol. They grew up in relatively stable times just like us today
>>61772240
>chldren
means the parents educated there children with the ideas of 68. so the idea in the heads of the children is much stronger than in there parents, because they think it´s the onliest truth
>>61771865
No, it's Kaiser Wilhelm's fault because he pushed strongly for war. He was under no obligation to help Austria-Hungary, unlike France with Russia.
>>61772316
>Most Europeans only learn English because of watching American media, hate the way you cunts act so snobby about that.
Or, you know, as a way to communicate with one another.
>>61772401
children rebel against their parents ideas. that is exactly the reason why the 68er happened. its been a process going on for thousands of years, sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker
>>61772316
We choose in the 5th class between french, english and latin
In the 7th again between french, english and latin (old greek), but we have to choose englisch by than
In the 11th I could choose between french, russian, old greek, spanish, old jewish and portugese
>>61772456
everyone wanted the war, including your country men. you are such a proud nation. take some pride in the truth and dont cherry pick in your history
>>61772502
>Speaking to foreigners in real life
>>61770280
And what of British MEPs? I assume they're pen pals with beggars in Bulgaria?
>>61772580
dude
which language you speak right now and for what purpose
>>61772642
English and I only use it online. I only learned it to play international computer games.
>>61772671
you are so retarded you better go back to play video games
>>61772728
no u
>>61772580
>>61772671
Echoing this: >>61772642
I mean, whether or not you're going to talk to people in real life is quite irrelevant. You learned the language to communicate with more people, m8.
>>61771323
dangerous post desu
>>61772797
I see
>>61771594
> 30% of Americans are German
You mean German/Irish/British mixtures
>>61771821
Reunication was a betrayal of the rest of the EU
>>61772808
imagine a couple of generations from now when the scars of war have healed even more and we've moved on a few generations...wew
>>61771323
t. Adolf "A Thousand Years Reich" Hitler
>>61771323
>>Austrians are germans
>>Lichtensteiners are germans
>>Part of Swissland is german
>>Poland has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>>France has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
>>Italy has part of our land (Argument: look the writting on building are in german)
All that is true though
>>61771323
T. Mongolian Communist rape baby
I wish the Yanks and Communists had finished you off and so that the French could carve you up as they wanted to after the war.
>>61768091
>unthankful
Thank you autsimo masters for stagnating an entire continent for almost a decade, for causing ~50% youth unemployment in the south, for trying to yet again (third time's the charm) trample all over distinct and noble European identities to impose your own """culture""" on them. Thank you for collapsing Europe with the migrant crisis and Euro banking crisis, for impoverishing the rest of Europe just to artificially support your exports. We say this with tears of joy in our hearts. Thank you for thieving our taxes and giving them away as effectively bribes to buy the support of corrupt ex-Soviet Bloc countries.
Just fucking die, you kraut scum. I can't wait for the day the French stand up to your autism. Unthankful indeed. Good God what fucking planet do you live on, man!
>>61767088
>I am not European
>I am German
????
It sounds stupid as hell
>>61775052
Fuck off American
>>61774926
are you retarded?
>supports brexit
ah yes, almost certainly
>>61774926
Since you're believing everything everyone is telling you, listen to this:
You are a retard
>>61768091
Greece could invade Germany in one day.
If you're from the European continent, you're European. Stupid question.
>>61779723
Except for UK, which is apperentely just some island in the Atlantic
>>61779723
the European continent is a lie. Only Eurasia exists.
>>61768473
>being this cuckt
>>61767706
>Melilla
lmao
>>61770238
>mfw >we really believe this
Being in EU is better than not being (at least for us).
>>61767088
>posting the edited version
I am a Greek.
>>61769221
Thanks, desu, anglos :^)
>>61770771
German identity is one of the oldest and the most defined and complex (just look at all that German angst) of Europe, and yet they lived without a nation until about 1870. And then, a cycle of hatred started with the French.
>>61769221
>The Hundred years war invented English and French nationalism.
Of a sort. Nationalism in its most common acceptance is a very recent phenomenon.
Language diversity doesn't make the EU artificial. The UK has a multitudes of minority languages trying to revive/survive (Cornish, Welsh, Gaelic...) and it's not artificial at all.
Pic related is very good about nationalism if you can read French.
>>61767088
>more identify as E*ropean than Polish only
we're total cuckolds desu
>>61768881
It's the same as saying that you're an "American". That could be U.S.A, Canada, Argentina, anywhere on the continent.
>>61771566
Fuck off eoin
>>61771671
> frisians closer to dutch etc
What the fuck, no.
>>61771434
regions of the UK get huge amounts of subsidies from the government
>>61768712
looks like the vote is being ignored anyways. yay ukian democracy
>>61767706
The fuck is up with Navarre? I didn't expect them to be less Spanish than the Basque or Catalonians.
>>61767088
>Portugal
>Literally no one identifying as European-only or a true citizen of Europe
Colour me surprised...
>>61767088
>>61767088
>This is what euros think about gimmegrants
>>61788144 →
>>61788144 →
>>61788144 →
Litterally all of europeans don't want shitskins except swedes... Explain diso shito
>>61767088
>European only
how is that even possible?
>>61772316
i agree English is a easy as fuck meme language, but that shit is so standard it doesn't even count as "learning" a language.
most European country make you do a second language in HS, German our French in my country.
>>61768881
"i am texas american"
>>61790148
>Learned French
>Went to France
>Try speaking to people in French
>They immediately switch to English
There is literally no point in learning another European language because of this being the default reality.
>>61790247
also has to do with you being british.
>>61767088
>germany
Is this the most hateable """"nation"""" on earth? Why does even G*rmany still exist? It was a mistake to reunify and only brought misery to all of Europe. Bring back the HRE and remove G*rmany.
>>61790444
What exactly?
>>61790247
Sounds more like an excuse tbqh lad
languages are wonderful and allow you to enjoy cultures in a whole different way
>>61768881
>t. American
>>61791035
>Sounds more like an excuse tbqh lad
Nope, it is what actually happens. If you are a native English speaker there is no point in learning another European language because they will just speak to you in English anyway regardless of if you want to or not.
>>61791077
They will speak to you in English when you are so shitty speaking in their language that you can't actually hold a fluent conversation. It's uncomfortable to listen to thick accents or stuttering. Improve your language skills and they will reply to you in French.
>>61791237
>It's uncomfortable to listen to thick accents or stuttering.
You mean like everyone who speaks English as a non-native? We can get over it, why can't they?
>>61791077
Because:
1. most people don't want to be your test subject/teacher
2. they think they're doing you a favor by switching to English. You have to make your intention clear.
3. they're frustrated by some britbong stammering and butchering their language (the French are particularly sensitive)
The best would be to make friends with someone that speaks the language and then practice with them instead.
>>61774926
>caring about the opinion of a german
lmao, are you a retard? they are literally the only flag of europe that you should ignore
