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Let us talk and learn about Islam itt.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
During the last 30 or so days, there were at least 216 Islamic attacks in 31 countries, in which at least 1728 people were killed and 1948 injured.
>>61722683
meme
The strategy of Muslims
>>61722683
>>>/pol/ pay denbts
>>61722759
This thread belongs in /int/.
It has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
It is a thread about religion and culture.
Now YOU fuck off BACK to /pol/.
>>61722758
what the fuck is this shit?
>>61722990
Evidence
>>61722990
Sunan Abu Dawud 67--I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (peace be upon him): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda’ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual cloths and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Sunan Ibn Majah 520--It was narrated that Jabir bin Abdullah said: "We came to a pond in which there was the carcass of a donkey, so we refrained from using the water until the Messenger of Allah came to us and said: 'Water is not made impure by anything.' Then we drank from it and gave it to our animals to drink, and we carried some with us."
Sunan Ibn Majah 521--It was narrated that Abu Umamah Al-Bahili said: "The Messenger of Allah said: 'Water is not made impure by anything except that which changes its smell, taste and color.'"
Sahih al-Bukhari 5782--Allah’s Messenger said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it [i.e. the fly] away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i.e. the treatment for that disease.”
>>61723194
Where is the closest church to your home?
>>61723221
Nigga what
>>61723248
There's a few
>>61723423
Those are quran verses.
>>61723658
Ok
>>61723681
This desu
>>61723823
>ok
>this desu
Taqiyya!
>>61723221
If muslims are stupid enough to believe this, why havent they destroyed themselves yet?
>>61723658
>literally says "sunan" at the beginning of each line
>Those are quran verses.
>>61723221
That's called cherrypicking - there is an awful lot of verses in the Quran that promotes peace and tolerance.
Political Islam is shit. Islam in itself is capable of anything. (like all religions.)
>>61722758
The famous Muslim world, so united ISIS kills much more other Muzzies than Westerners.
>>61722683
Might have something to do with dictatorship, civil war, imperialism and poverty of the people as well as religious extremism.
I know plenty of Muzzies who drink beer.
>>61724225
>If muslims are stupid enough to believe this, why havent they destroyed themselves yet?
>yet
>>61724225
Most muslim majority countries are shitholes, embroiled in turmoil and misery.
Those that aren't, they have achieved it by exporting their turmoil and misery to other countries (see Saudis).
>>61724274
Sunan Abi Dawud is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Abu Dawud Sulayman ibn al-Ash'ath as-Sijistani (rahimahullah). It is widely considered to be among the six canonical collections of hadith (Kutub as-Sittah) of the Sunnah of the Prophet (ﷺ). It consists of 5274 ahadith in 43 books.
http://sunnah.com/abudawud
Same shit.
>>61724363
>cherrypicking
Give me one reason why anyone should embrace islam over any other religion.
>>61723823
>tfw no qt qatari bf
>>61724513
>Give me one reason why anyone should embrace islam over any other religion.
Personal preferences in aesthetics. Deeper connection, family/peer pressure, socialising, curiosity.
Religion isn't really a choice, it can find you (willing conversion) or you're born into it (forced baptism/etc).
I'm a Christian deist btw.
Why can't Muslims take responsibility for their own shittiness? Why can't they internalize constructive critiques of their societies?
Everything is a conspiracy, by the mukhabarat, or the Jews, or the Crusaders. Nothing is ever my fault.
Where does this buck-passing come from?
>>61724363
>Islam
>religion
It fails critical tests that any level-headed, reasonable (white) human being would deem necessary for it to be worthy of being called a religion:
>Adherence to a religion must be a personal choice
>no religion should demand that those who leave it be killed
>a religion must never mandate the subjugation of those who do not belong to it
>a religion must be in accord with basic human rights.
At best it's an ideology, at worst a fucked up cult that has become way out of hand.
>>61724707
A bartender accepted islam, so your point is irrelevant and false.
>>61724796
>no religion should demand that those who leave it be killed
Christianity is not a religion then. Those heretics are reassured.
>Adherence to a religion must be a personal choice
Nobody asked my father to be baptised. Nobody asked the indigenous people of Africa and America for missionaries.
>a religion must never mandate the subjugation of those who do not belong to it
Islam doesn't. It is forbidden in Islam to harm people of the Book. (Christians and Jews, mostly.)
>a religion must be in accord with basic human rights.
Leviticus is not.
2/10 bait, please troll in /brit/.
>>61724961
If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.
The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)
See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.
Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”
[al-Nisa’ 4:59]
And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
GERMANY NO!
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article156842593/Kopftuch-tragende-Muslimin-brutal-niedergeschlagen.html
> Die Tat kam unvermittelt: Ein Mann in Kiel erblickte eine Frau mit Kopftuch, rief „Scheiß Muslime“ und brach ihr brutal das Nasenbein. Die Polizei spricht von einer „neuen Dimension von Gewalt“.
> The attack came out of the blue: A man in Kiel noticed a woman with headscarf, yelled „Scheiß Muslime“ (fucking Muslims) and brutally broke her nasal bone. The police talk about a „new dimension of violence“.
>>61724961
Um, just jumping in.
Islam has suras that state that apostates should be killed.
Please, do show me the same thing in the new testament.
Also you are shooting yourself in the foot with the not harming people of the book thing, so its ok to kill hindus and others?
Leviticus is no longer applied, we changed what we did and do not claim that the bible is the literal word of god.
>>61724707
A whole foundation of Imams is trying to reform the Quran.
Al kawabaki, it's called.
>>61724961
It's not as if I was extolling the virtues of Christianity by contrast, abdi. But even so:
>It is forbidden in Islam to harm people of the Book.
I said subjugation not murder, fatty
Islam pervades every aspect of one's existence, for the most part Christianity does not.
>>61725210
We at least admit the crusades etc were shit.
Islamists killing more people for their religion than any other religious groups is still a fact, even though muslims are the majority casualties.
Thats like saying world wars were not to be complained about because it mainly affected western nations and thus others have no right to complain about it.
>>61724961
islam is a cult, not a religion.
islam is like scientology.
it demands more than it gives, and it punishes and even kills those who dare speak against it, even more so if they are muslims that decide to deny islam.
Now go ahead and find me the part where the New Testament states that a person who changes faith, should be killed.
It is in the hands and judgement of God to decide the fate of any person who denies him. Not even the highest ranking members of the Church have a say in that.
>>61725308
It should pervade it if you take it seriously.
But the difference between a christian and a muslim martyr is evident.
One gets killed for his faith, the other dies killing for his faith.
>>61725175
>Leviticus is no longer applied
Some Imams are trying to do the same about Islam. It's called a reformation, and Islam is in dire need of it, no disagreements.
People of the book were an example. Of course religious tolerance should be for everyone, and you can find verses in the Quran that supports it - the book is self-contradictory.
>>61725111
Those are secondary sources as it seems. One could compare this to the calls of the pope Urban II, "Deus Vult", at the concile of Clermont, in 1095.
>>61725210
That's not really what I'm talking about, though a Muslim Enlightenment is good news.
I'm talking about this feature of blaming internal problems on external factors, usually beyond your control. The "Don't look at me" mindset. Why is Islam so intolerant? It's not, it's a conspiracy to make Islam look bad. Why is the Muslim community producing groups like ISIS? It's not, it's a conspiracy by the West to divide us. Why are people being macheted in Bangladesh? It's a plot by the Mossad. Why are we so underdeveloped and backwards? The Mukh did it.
It's a joke. South Americans don't sit around and say, "We're shit because of America". The Indians don't say, "I live in filth because the Brit be keeping da brown man down".
It shows tremendous societal rot that these sorts of excuses are both widespread and are so outlandish. What the hell is wrong with Muslims? I say Muslims, because we see the sort of conspiratorial excuse-making even in Southeast Asia, and North Africa. It's not limited to Arabs, and you see substantially less of it in other poor places, like Africa or SA.
>>61725419
Yes, one can compare it to the crusades, as it was a military action inspired by faith which ended in mindless zaelotry even though as it was started to take back the birth place of christianity.
I am all for reformation, but sadly reformatory imams have no big say as long as people believe the quran is divine in itself.
Muhammad was a warrior and politician as well, not only a prophet.
Sadly he mixed the first two into the latter.
>>61722758
i love the bump of intelligence between %5 to %10 and how it went from being somewhat true to ''what the fuck is this shit''
>>61725372
>One gets killed for his faith, the other dies killing for his faith.
Well said.
We have countless examples of Christian martyrs being tortured and killed, enduring their pain and suffering while praing to God for salvation and redemption.
On the hand we have countless examples of muslims killing themselves (out of hatred for others), just so they could inflict death upon their enemies.
>>61725419
the pope is a man, and the crusades were first and foremost a political movement that used religion as a pretext for war.
The crusades damaged the Roman empire more than they damaged islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTnxFgmQLKc
HALT YOU HEATHENS THE GREATEST CHURCH OF ALL TIME IS HERE
>>61725601
Well, we also have our crusaders.
That IS a thing.
Soldier Saints are also a thing, lets just say we moved away from that and that christianities birth as a persecuted minority fostered a different spirit of living your faith.
>>61722736
Chocolate
>>61725601
>>61725704
PS:
Also crusaders WERE as much motivated by religious murder-rage than not.
Difference is we admit that it is bad and violence in general is.
>>61725329
>We at least admit the crusades etc were shit.
Not /pol/ or other alt-right bullshit. Many Muslims protect regularly after each terrorist attack.
>>61725308
By your own definition, then Christianity is not a religion but a cult. Nothing is said in the Quran about taxing Jews and the rest - dhimmi is a political tool.
>Islam pervades every aspect of one's existence, for the most part Christianity does not.
What about those Arabs I've met when I was young who swears on Allah, do Ramadan, and then conveniently forget about the Quran when it's a party ?
There are humans being Islam, you know.
>>61725347
>Now go ahead and find me the part where the New Testament states that a person who changes faith, should be killed.
There is no such verse, only secondary sources orders it. Much like in Islam, only secondary sources or passages taken out of context order it. Religion in here is used as political tool.
>>61725372
Muhammed was almost killed for his faith. History changed after that, but if Islam was spread by the sword, so was Christianity - Teutonics Knights, anyone ?
TLDR : there are humans beings - like you and me - among the 1 billion+ followers of Islam. Yes, there are awful things in the Quran (maybe even more than in the Bible) - which is why 99% of those Muzzies don't follow it to the letter. Even ISIS doesn't - if a man hasn't clearly, orally, stated that he is not a Muslim, he is to be considered as a Muslim.
If a man doesn't speak Arabic fluently, then he has no place to judge people, he can only listen. (half of ISIS recruits barely speak Arabic.).
And so on. (source is in a newspaper "Islam in debate", in French. Name of the newspaper is "Courier International".)
>b-but it is ordered
It's also ordered in the Bible many stupid things we don't do today.
>>61725753
Many (if not most) crusaders were motivated by greed, and ended up plundering Christian and Muslim lands alike.
The pope also had the fine idea of issuing pardons for all sins to anyone that fought in the crusades. The crusades were primarily a political & religious play to get a hold of the vast riches of the near/middle east.
The crusades damaged and weakened the East Roman Empire, and the Orthodox Christians far more than they did the Muslims.
Very few people actually fought in the crusades out of religious fervor and piety, and with the sole intention of protecting the East Roman Empire and securing the Christian lands.
>>61726005
>There is no such verse, only secondary sources orders it.
Irrelevant.
People are put to death for apostasy in islam.
That is a FACT, and it is an acceptable way of dealing with apostasy.
>>61726341
>People are put to death for apostasy in islam.
They were in Medieval and Modern Times Europe. The Enlightenment, among other things, made it stop.
Islam never had an enlightenment or reforms. It's time to start.
>and it is an acceptable way of dealing with apostasy.
I don't think every single one of the 1 billion Muslims in the world agree. (inb4 meme chart who doesn't take into account people into western countries)
>>61726005
You are right to some degrees, but I would like you to compare the first 2 or 3 centuries of christianity to islam and think about which religion has very detailed rules for warfare and enslavement in its holy book (new testament for christians).
I would be perfeczly happy if people would stop constanly claiming its not islams fault and just say: "Yes there is something toxic in the way our religion is interpreted nowadays."
But I do not hear that mostly, just moving goal-posts like "they are not real muslims".
That does not cut it and you know it.
I am able to admit that western culture and/or christianity did a lot of bad stuff..the reverse might not be so true if you paint yourself as the permanent victim of the former.
>>61724513
>Same shit.
no its not, idiot
>>61726485
>"they are not real muslims".
An oversimplification. What I often hear is that "they are extremists Muslims, twisting the meaning of the Quran".
> the first 2 or 3 centuries of christianity
You can't compare the multicultural and ancient Roman Empire to early Middle-Ages kingdoms, nomandic tribes and feudalities. Mohammed was threatened to be killed almost right off the beat, while Jesus was (in the book) betrayed.
>>61726457
>Islam never had an enlightenment or reforms.
That's because it is impossible to alter the quran.
islam is a cult, and it will remain a cult.
>>61726457
Why take into account what muslims in western countries think?
Aren't muslims in muslim majority countries a better sample? Are you saying that muslims residing in muslim majority countries have a corrupt view of the world?
That alone is a testement to the damaging effect(s) of islam.
>>61726655
And killed.
i was more talking about the time christianity spent in hiding and being killed, like jesus for that matter.
Suffering misdeeds of others is better than sinning yourself by killing...if you truly believe "you shall not kill".
>>61725601
>muslims killing themselves (out of hatred for others), just so they could inflict death upon their enemies.
That's bordeline haram, suicide expedition were forbidden, if you know your group won't make it alive, you don't go.
>>61726341
Just jumping in, you're given some time to pack your shit and get out of the country if you don't want to die. You don't kill him immediatly, you let him time to redeem himself, or you let him go to another country.
>>61727261
>suicide expedition were forbidden
Seems to happen quite a lot for something supposedly forbidden.
>>61727261
Still not ok to go after apostates, I prefer your way of doing it if it has to be done.
Asl ong as the goal isn't to convert the whole world and therefore not leaving any place to flee to.
>>61727468
It's not like the ones who will explode themselves are very knowledgeable in that matter.
>>61727500
I'm not saying it's my way, it's the way used in the califat, in Omar's time iirc. The story was about a muslim who decided to change religion to marry a christian.
>>61722683
Goddamn what a fucking shit-tier ideology, why do the leftists defend it so vehemently? They'd call for an utter dismantling of Christianity if it were half as bad as Islam.
Seriously, what is the most effective way to remove kebab?
