Is this map correct?
>>61717977
No, polan is of eastern euro.. It cannot into west
>>61718064
t. mehmed alemani
ARE...YOU...RETARDED?
>>61717977
yes helo yes
>turkey
>europe
bursting this bubble with no survivors
>>61717977
Andrzej, kurwa.
>>61718387
op btfo
>>61718189
>>61718391
>>61718418
t. cyka blyatoslav
>>61718312
this
>>61718387
>understanding "west" geographically
>>61717977
WE POLAN, WE WEST
fixed
>>61718332
>>61718387
The UK is both northern and western Europe at the same time, we're just that awesome.
>>61718625
nice
>Northern Ireland
>Ever leaving
>>61717977
>england
>northern europe
Also, Croatia should definitely be South Euro, they're mediterranean as fuck in terms of culture
>>61717977
How can Poland be Western Europe and Portugal not? Portugal is the most Western country in mainland Europe
>>61718709
>England
>actually on the map and erased by the butthurt OP
You blind?
>>61717977
Facebook knows
>>61718861
Please delete this.
>>61718556
>not understanding west geographically
let me guess you think of the "west" as the richest and most developed countries of Europe? thats why Portugal and Greece aren't counted in anymore?
>>61717977
>western europe
>poland
lel
>>61718861
fuck off subhuman ape
>>61718712
Morocco is even further to the west, no one calls it "western" though
>>61719035
>europe
>russia
>>61718994
this has nothing to do with wealth... it's about culture... you are slavic, therefore you are east trash
Western: Catholic or Protestant, Latin/Romance, Celtic or heavily Latinized Germanic, former part of WRE
Eastern: Orthodox, Slav, former part of ERE
>>61719135
what culture exactly? like can you name it?
>it's about culture... you are slavic, therefore you are east trash
why do you call any other people "trash" ?
>>61719163
What if we are Catholic Slavs?
>>61718312
this
>>61719197
You're mixed aka Central.
>>61719135
if he starts sucking brown dick will you love like your gf?
>>61719197
he's brazilian they see the world in black and white, mostly black
>>61718861
shqip
>>61719165
language is part of culture... polish is a slavic language
>why do you call any other people "trash" ?
mainly to provoke a (You)
>>61719163
ERE AS IN ERECTION
WRE AS IN INBRED SAUERKRAUT
>>61719260
love him*
>>61719260
It's not a matter of seeing things in black and white but general rules. East vs. West is still all about Rome being divided.
/thread
>>61719439
jesus fucking christ poland africa cant into south america
>>61719315
>language is part of culture... polish is a slavic language
and what about all the rest of culture?
>>61717977
Pic rel is correct definition of Western and Eastern Europe
>>61719605
doesn't matter
>>61719681
>>61719694
language doesn't matter
>>61719439
Gimme a good reason for Latin America to be considered something apart from Western, considering people here:
* Speak Western Romance languages,
* Follow mainly Christianity,
* Government structures inherited from Western (Spain, Portugal, France) countries.
And could someone warn the retard who created this map BELIZE IS NOT LATIN?
>>61719694
It does, but it should never be the sole factor. Like, claiming UK is not Western because they don't speak Latin/Romance would be stupid.
>>61719884
western means either germanic or latin/romance...
you are retarded, since english is a combination of both
>>61719884
>claiming UK is not Western because they don't speak Latin/Romance would be stupid
You're going to awaken the French posters with their English language vocabulary pie charts.
>>61718556
Poland is Western both geographically AND culturally.
There is no such thing as "slavic culture", fuckin ignorant.
>>61719848
Because you're not white
>>61719848
youre lazy and not white
spain and italy have some industry
>>61717977
>>61719681
Not really. Geographically, you have to include central Europe, which is Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria and Hungary.
Otherwise,the border between the Eastern and the Western Bloc still stands
>>61719976
>english is a combination of both
Not sure if serious/stupid or trolling/retarded...
English is a Germanic language influenced by the Romance languages, mainly Old Norman.
>western means either germanic or latin/romance...
Again, "western" is still about Roman legacy as opposed to Greek/Byzantine legacy. And last time I checked Romans spoke Latin.
>>61719984
Only the dumber ones.
>>61720033
>>61720111
WHO CARES?
It's about civilization. If you want to talk about race instead, Latin America is an even worse clusterfuck.
[But then go back to /pol/]
>>61720154
Race matters a lot when it comes to a national identity or belonging to any group, I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings.
>>61719984
Also, do you mind if I inb4 those fucking piecharts?
1. A language is not its vocabulary;
2. Most weird shit you find in English is native, not shared by other Germanic languages but not by Romance languages either;
3. The core vocabulary is still Germanic per excellence.
>>61720268
>Race matters a lot when it comes to a national identity
We're in the New World. Race plays a far smaller role in identity here than it does in the Old World.
Unless you see English-speaking Protestant Black Southerners and English-speaking Protestant White Southerners as two civilizations apart, but this would be silly.
>>61718387
omnipotent Slovenia, appearing in almost every region of Europe since 1991
>>61720154
western civilization is white civilization
by your standards fucking japs are western
>>61720429
excuse the brain fart, i meant omnipresent
>>61717977
>Poland
>Western
>Croatia
>Not South
>Turkey
>Europe
>>61720417
>Also, do you mind if I inb4 those fucking piecharts?
I know m8. The most used everyday words are Germanic and the words children first learn are Old English in origin.
>>61720429
Alpha and omega
>>61720417
>Black Southerners and English-speaking Protestant White Southerners as two civilizations apart
They are very different though. They're so different that they don't associate with each other unless it's absolutely required. They go to separate churches, listen to different music, hang out with different people, and have different interests. Race matters, stop pretending it doesn't. It's the reason why South America isn't Western.
>>61720475
>by your standards fucking japs are western
Oh, my bad! I forgot Japan is inhabited by Romance speakers following Roman Christianity, and that it used to be part of the Western Roman Empire!
>western civilization is white civilization
Civilization is about culture and the social structures that side said culture. Not race.
>>61720652
how are favelados part of western culture?
hard working atheist japs are much closer mentally to us westerners
>>61720730
>us
>>61720652
well, what is considered western civilization weirdly coincides with somewhat pale population
>>61720556
Yeah, but at least now we can simply point to that post when the "MUH ENGLISH IS LATIN" faggots arrive.
>>61720593
Are they different enough to be considered part of two different civilizations? Do they speak some Bantu language? Do they follow Fetishism or shit like that? Do they submit to different social structures than whites, or the very same structure at different places?
>>61720779
>Are they different enough to be considered part of two different civilizations
They pretty much are. Africans were Africans in Africa for thousands of years before coming here, they don't magically start acting like white Americans overnight.
>>61718861
I hate Facebook now.
>>61720777
US is a part of western culture, their nignogs are a small minority
>>61720778
This is akin to say that people who speak Italian often have those aquiline noses. There is a correlation, but only because both are hereditary.
>>61720730
Yes, those poorfags dumped in vilas/favelas are indeed Western, even if they're poor and uneducated and all that shit.
"Western" is not synonymous with "developed".
[And ironically, the Polish descendants in those vilas here in Curitiba can be considered more Western than you guys, since they speak, guess what, a Western language.]
>>61718861
>Western Europe
>Srpski
>Shqip
kek
>>61720910
Compare them then with Africans proper and you'll see they are _culturally speaking_ nothing alike.
>they don't magically start acting like white Americans overnight.
Not overnight, but over some centuries, they do behave like Americans. Not "white" Americans but still Americans.
>>61721112
>Not "white" Americans but still Americans
There's not a way to be American without being white. It's what our founding fathers said it's what their descendants all believed. If a European moved to China, he wouldn't be Chinese.
>>61720949
He meant that you guys aren't western
idiot greek say turkey is not europe
lmao
we are million time european look than you brown guys. :-D sandnigger greek
>>61717977
It complicates things, but Croatia should always be cut in half with a Central Euro and a Mediterranean half on maps like this.
>>61721312
no he didn't
>>61718156
t. Butthurt pole
>>61719848
The only REAL west.
The only defining countries of western culture.
The countries that share historical and diplomatic bonds between each other and ALL of them.
Everything else is just a meme, countries that are butthurt towards Russia, or both.
>>61721564
(You)
>>61721564
so edgy
Case in point: if you claim LatAm is not Western, find a civilization/civilizations for Haiti and Quebéc then.
>>61721261
>If a European moved to China, he wouldn't be Chinese.
He wouldn't, but if his children spoke Mandarin and followed Chinese habits and customs, they would be considered Chinese. Pic related, a native from Xinjiang - Uyghur ethnic group. Still considered a Chinese.
>founding fathers blahblah
No offense, but what your "founding fathers" said about the country is pretty much irrelevant.
>>61721828
>if his children spoke Mandarin and followed Chinese habits and customs, they would be considered Chinese
No Chinese person would consider them Chinese
>what your "founding fathers" said about the country is pretty much irrelevant.
They created the country, they have a pretty relevant point of view.
>>61721615
>>61721615
>butthurt Russian rapebaby
The mutual respect between these countries are what made things like the partition of Africa, and that turned eastern europe as the colonial territories of Germany and Austria.
Didn't you EVER notice that diplomatic reprecussions for Germany and Austria expanding east were never has serious as them expanding east?
Didn't you notice that Prussia and Austria became the strongest Germanic states because they were the only ones closer to eastern europe, aka "lebensraum?", while all other small states remained small because expanding towards other western nations was a no-no?
>>61721914
>No Chinese person would consider them Chinese
They do.
>They created the country, they have a pretty relevant point of view.
>point of view
Reality is about true/false statements, not "muh point of view". Two plus two are still not five even if your PoV says so.
I made this some time ago.
>>61717977
Fucking autists. Just stop. I already found the solution after studying this issue for years.
>>61722120
The problem of going full geo like that is, we aren't even dealing with a continent but a peninsula, and said peninsula is only considered something apart due to cultural reasons.
>>61718709
only dalmatia and istria are mediteranian, rest was and still has strong austrian and hunfarian influence
>>61722120
Centroid of Europe is in Lithuania
>>61721564
This.
>>61720033
>>61720111
>>61720475
>white
Nice meme. Romans weren't white by /int/'s standards.
>>61722330
>>61722292
This issue isnt about geometry.
>>61721564
>The countries that share historical and diplomatic bonds between each other and ALL of them.
Following diplomatic and historical bonds: The Barbarian Potato Clusterfuck is Western in your map, except Bohemia. Why?
Why isn't Hungary Western, if they were under a personal union with Austria?
Most Silesia and Pomerania was under Potato occupation for a long time, and yet they aren't Western in your map. Why?
(Note, I'm asking those trying to develop a bit the problem following your line of thought...)
>>61722843
its because slavs are eastern trash
>>61722120
>Western Poland
>Central Europe
>Eastern Poland
>Eastern Europe
>studying this issue for years
You sure studied.
>>61721966
>m-muh butthurt belt maymay
Shut up you double poornigger
We are within our borders, because these are the indisputable borders of our country, as the sovereign state in ninth century. There are borders of our core lands within the Holy Roman Empire, and within the Austrian Empire.
>The countries that share historical and diplomatic bonds between each other and ALL of them.
Also, we can debate that we only had the control of Silesia and Lusatia, and Brandenburg even, because somebody gave it to us, we can debate the control we once had over Austria, but there is no debate over our country being rightfully part of the western civilization, because we were part of it for no less than a thousand of years, you retarded piece of shit.
>>61723100
He's being ironic with the "studying this issue for years". (German humour and all that thing.)
>>61717977
>Central Europe meme
>>61723215
this
Central Europe disappeared with A-H and German empire
>>61721966
What could be the reason germany never expanded into the west?
A mysterious force or something else, probatly we will never know...
>>61717977
>Poland western europe
>not austria
hum, I see what you did there
besides,
>Scotland
>northern europe
>>61718387
\thread
>>61723214
They just dont get it.
The real joke was that i called them autists for caring about such bullshit but supposedly i myself studied it for years.
Poland and Germany are central Europe
I love how these threads always degenerate into a ,,Who is more white'' competition...
>>61718861
>Western Europe
>Bosanski
>Hrvatski
>Shqip
look at me
I am the Central European now
>>61717977
Eastern Europe starts at Kazakhstan
>>61724477
Welcome to little /pol/! By its turn, large /pol/ is little /stormfront/. ANY SINGLE DISCUSSION DEVOLVES INTO RACES.
And worse, coming from people who failed Biology.
>>61717977
All Slavs ex-commies are east
T*rkey is not Europe
UK is West
Central Europe is a meme
>>61717977
Turkey,Greece and Russia is not Europe
>>61718312
this
>>61724477
being white is overrated tbqh
>>61718556
If we aren't evaluating it geographically, the Southern E. map is also innacurate.
>>61722843
Because, as I said, Bohemia and Hungary didn't had a strong relation between all the other Western European countries, only one or two.
Meanwhile, every western european country, as diplimatic and histrical relations with ALL the other western european nations.
Consider Hungary. They relations was to Austria, Poland, Bohemia, Croatia. Of all these countries, only one is western.
Meanwhile let's look at Austria. Part of the HRE, Habsburg Mornarchy ruled over parts of Italy, Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands, etc.
The difference is that all western european countries are related to all the others western european countries. While the others like Poland, Czechia, Hungary, etc are not.
That's the reason the partition of Africa was like a inside gathering the western european countries, the real west. Even Germany and Italy, who were never colonial powers, were invited. Why? Because they were western, part of the "club".
It's the reason why Germany and Austria kept expanding east and only east. Because the dimplomatic reprecutions for expanding east were non-existant when comparing to those of expanding west. It's why Venice expanded more than Genoa. Generally the west respected the west and each other more than it respected the east.
As contrary to eastern european belief, the idea of an "eastern europe" is much older than the cold war.
>>61726001
u wot.
your western countries like Austria and Germany had far stronger ties with us than with England,Spain,France,Portugal,Italy etc
>>61723161
You really don't understand.
You have "debatable" control of some parts of western europe.
Meanwhile, ALL countries of western europe and well established bonds between ALL the other western european countries.
There's a central web. A western web. Then countries like yours are caught in the vicinity of it and remain there, only clinging to Austria and Brandenburg, never managing to reach and create strong bods with western countries like France, or the UK.
You were not part of western civilization. You gravitated around it. You gravitated around the HRE and only the HRE, which in the end was a Germanic empire, not a Slavic one.
>>61726001
tldr
>>61726198
Yes, but only with you. Don't you get this? Your relations with the west are a single string: the HRE.
Meanwhile Austria's relation with the west are with every single other western european country.
The west is the "club". Czechia is just a friend of a member. Doesn't make it part of the club. That's why you were relegated diplomatically and offered as a sacrifice to the Germans first.
>>61726333
But our ties to these are stronger than rest of "west" together
Europe in middle ages was HRE.Not France,not England,not Portugal
>>61718387
Yuo is of winnings
>>61724907
Greece is a meme.
Pay denbts.
>>61719439
Greece is literally the foundation of the Western civilisation, slavshit.
>>61717977
Germany is part of Asia Minor now. I am a Greek.
>>61726001
You make no sense whatsoever.
We didn't had any noteworthy relationship with Eastern Europe until the 1st World War, so how can WE be part of the Eastern Europe? We were always part of the west, until the Yalta conference, and even afterwards, being the only country from "Soviet sphere of influence" that dare to apply for the Marshall Plan. Stalin had the rebellious foreign minister assassinated after the Kremlin staged coup d'etat, but that is the another story.
>>61727603
The whole division of Europe into East and West was because of the Iron Curtain.
There was no West or Eastern Europe before that, it was just Europe.
So quit your bitching, who the fuck cares anyway? Will it affect you in any way if your country is considered "Western?
>>61719439
Huntington's map is retarded.
You should feel ashamed for posting it.
>>61727737
I have news for you. THERE IS NO IRON CURTAIN. It ceased to be no less than a quarter century ago. In different century altogether. And when we were dragged to the Soviet sphere by force (1945-1948) and held there by force (1968), you better damn bet we don't want to have anything to do with it anymore.
>>61727494
By extension, Egypt and Iraq are "Western" too, becuase they wuz kangz 'n shiiet millennia ago too. But surprise, surprise, we don't live in BC ties any more. Modern Greece is culturally (and also racially) closer to Turkey, the Levant and the Balkans than to Western Europe
>>61719999
>There is no such thing as "slavic culture"
What about...
>commieblocks
>solyanka and borscht
>vodka
>depressive attitude (yes we don't smile at strangers either unlike the burgers, but you Easterners take it to a whole other level, always frowning)
>squatting in tracksuits
>high religiosity
You share more with Russkies than you like to admit
>>61728434
As i thought. You are retarded ignorant.
>>61727737
>There was no West or Eastern Europe before that, it was just Europe.
So now the real question: What country is well organised, rich considering real GDP per capita (corrected for PPP level 1999 US dollars), has a backbone, is not cucked and has no muslims at all and is not in the middle of fucking nowhere? I'd like to move there.
>>61729113
I see you, Russkies, Balts and ex-Yus every time clogging our tiny village's streets whenever there is "Sperrmüll" (bulky waste put outside on the street on 1-2 dates per year) in your shitty old VW T3 vans, REEEEE
And y'all look exactly the same like pic related with your square heads
>>61729303
hello square headed alemanni roman rapebabies
>>61728434
>commieblocks
Apartment blocks exist everywhere.
>solyanka and borscht
No idea what those are.
>vodka
Not very popular here.
>depressive attitude
That how I'd describe Germans.
>squatting in tracksuits
Not a thing here.
>high religiosity
It depends on the country.
>>61729303
>'all look exactly the same like pic related
They look like German faces to me.
>>61718686
Are you gonna apply for statehood as 1 state, or multiple states? We need to know how many stars to add to the flag
>>61729303
Go to sleep Herbert, you are drunk.
>>61729408
Well you South Slavs are kinda different of course, more Italian/Greek-like from my experience
>>61729360
>literally proving my point
>>61717977
>Poland
>western europe
Fucking kek
>>61729360
That Polish morph is inaccurate. Here is better one.
>>61728434
>Modern Greece is culturally (and also racially) closer to Turkey, the Levant and the Balkans than to Western Europe
Bullshit
>>61729482
>Slovakia
>Western Europe
>>61729538
Let me post a pic with those people actually in it, look especially at the positioning of Cyprus Greeks
>>61729679
>>61721391
You are basiacly the same. Some Central-Asian raped your Greek ancestor. This is how the Turkish nation was born. Retarted turkroach
>>61729679
Haha, is that Robocop in his car passing by?
