>huge ass countries
>former colonies
>shit tons of immigrants
>far from european wars
>lots of resources
>weak neighbors
wtf, why is america superpower but we a shithole??
Guess :^)
You can take the Brazilian out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the Brazilian
WE
>>61685392
Unstable political system, I guess.
How many coups and revolutions did Brazil have?
>>61685392
Our bad. We gave you the "shit's going well enough for me to care right now" genes.
Because Brazil consists of Brazilians.
>>61685392
because one is 10% nuggers, the other is 50%
because you didnt industrialize, instead remained a banana country economy
because you took out the emperor and had dictatorships
The US were built on Anglo-Saxon political and socioeconomic traditions.
Spaniards couldn't do a shit, when they got a shitton of gold and silver from Americas they had no idea what to do with it, they didn't invest it properly(just filled interiors of the churches with all the valuables), caused massive inflation and bankruptcy of the crown.
Iberians are inferior people who happened to discover New World first due to their favorable geographic position.
>>61685392
One is a mutt nation, the other isn't.
>>61685735
>Spaniards
Portuguese aren't bad. I'm sure they'll be great again.... eventually.
>>61685735
>Spaniards
Why do you hurt me so?
>Iberians are inferior people
Why though? We are great fighters and adventurers. We kicked the moors and went around Africa to side-step the Silk Road jews.
>just filled interiors of the churches with all the valuables, caused massive inflation and bankruptcy of the crown.
Yup. We got a streak of shitty kings that fucked us over. Luís I was the last good one.
>>61685735
>>61685392
Brazil is full of niggers. It's a giant Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ztLtpuwkM
>>61685957
This video is getting a little too popular. I want it deleted for defamation of Brazil.
>>61685392
>lots of resources
Not really, your agricultural sector has several problems, mainly infrastructure, and your oil reserves were just discovered. Also, you have several severe institutional problems.
>>61685942
>Why though? We are great fighters and adventurers.
You are great fighters true but not great state builders.
>>61685735
>blew it all on bling
>>61685735
>Spaniards couldn't do a shit
>Polish intelectuals
The spaniards colonized a new world hundreds of years before even their state was fully built.
By technology and knowledge alone, new states built later have it better comparable to the ones built upon weaker foundations.
>>61686094
It's incredible how that mentality permeates the country down to the individual.
We usually are pretty good at learning and discovering shit, but maintaining and preparing for the future part is boring, and we stop caring. We're too simultaneously ADHD and lazy.
Still, thanks to the Spaniards marrying into our crown, we started a thread of shit and bad luck that made us miss the Industrial Revolution, which we probably would've been pretty good at, especially with our great relationship with Britain, which would've probably preferred trading with us than France.
Oh well.
>>61685735
Says the country without colonies.
And was practically a colony of russia
>>61686394
And what does it change in this discussion? Spaniards are still bad at state building compared to Anglos.
>>61686526
>Spaniards
stop that.
>>61686687
Aren't Portuguese Spaniards in denial? Your languages are almost intelligible.
>>61686021
this shit realy makes me angry. holy jesus. shit
i cant even ,
FUCK
>>61685392
Not enough WASPs.
>>61685392
Because we're Protestant and you're Catholic
>>61686526
Its more complex than that
>>61686526
its a eastern yurop thinks its marginally better than latam episode
stop talking and unclog my toilet subhuman
>>61686765
>Aren't Portuguese Spaniards in denial?
Can I answer this "no?". We've been independent for 900 years, save a 60 break half-way through because of marriage. Our very reason for existence is defined by being "Not-Spanish". We kicked their asses a lot of times. You wouldn't like to be called German now, would you?
>Your languages are almost intelligible.
They are very very different. Portuguese probably sounds closer to French or even Russian. Maybe you heard Brazilian, which is easier to understand? Spanish people can hardly understand spoken Portuguese, for example.
>>61685957
Why are whites from Europe so god damn oblivious of their surroundings.
Around blacks never relax, especially if they keep getting closer.
>>61686526
Also. Yes, The english are soo much better at state building. Tell that to all those african ex colonies
>>61685392
One started at more of a disadvantage and the USA started with a good-ish system which made their economies prosper. The USA was a great nation for entrepreneurs. Brazil wasn't. Therefore one economy thrived while the other didn't. With such a thriving economy, smart people from other countries saw opportunity there. With such a thriving economy, they were able to pave way for a prosperous academic environment for the locals to get highly educated. All this shit. And more. It all adds up.
Also people tend to be lethargic in hotter climates. The cooler climates also plays a big role.
>>61685957
holy shit i would unironically not feel bad if we nuked this fucking shithole
little fucking niglets everywhere
>>61687086
I'd say the same for the u.s of a desu
>>61686817
>abloblobobloblo
You are just vastly inferior jungle apes, just get over it.
>>61686834
I don't know about Eastern Europe proper(Belarus, Ukraine, Russia) but countries like Czechia, Poland, Slovenia are much better off than even the most developed Latin America countries(Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Panama) and generally keep growing faster. And if you compare them to average Latin American countries we are definitely not marginally better, we are FAR better.
>>61687128
rare
>>61685392
>weak neighbors
Say that to my face not online and see what happens.
First worlders will never understand what it feels like to live in what could be the best country on Earth, and watch as its inhabitants prevent it from becoming so, by behaving in incomprehensibly animalistic ways.
There is a giant within Brazil. We could be better than any of you, but unfortunately we're the worst. It's a feeling one can't describe.
>>61686930
>Why are whites from Europe so god damn oblivious of their surroundings.
Contrary to Alberto Barbosa memes, we don't have nearly as much blacks around here. Certainly not as many slave-descendants.
>>61686526
A bit reductionist. Following a shitty break with eligible sons for the throne (our king died at 16), we lost our independence briefly (60 years) which caused a bunch of shitty things to happen, like unwanted wars with old allies and bad management of our fleet (which took us years to build), which in turn fucked us up to defend/keep order in our colonies, which coupled with a capital-destroying earthquake and french invasions (that didn't take, but still affected us) we lost our ticket on the industrial revolution, that helped the big British colonies a fucking ton.
TL;DR fuck cosmic Rube Goldberg and the Spaniards.
>>61687209
Potential doesnt mean diddly squat if its never used.
>>61686907
>You wouldn't like to be called German now, would you?
I would like to be called German sadly we don't have that much in common with Germany.
>>61687028
Top. Kek. Their African colonies were never supposed to be any decent countries, they were never supposed to be Anglo(because of large native populations), they were just supposed to be exploited and that's all. The same with India. It's impossible to "fix" countries like this, no European countries had resources and knowledge to do so. But when it comes to setting up a country from nothing, then Anglos definitely excel at it.
>>61687209
I think this is why we are so selfhating here and everywhere on internet. It's really frustrating. I hate commies.
>>61685957
jfc, even niggers in the US don't act like that
>>61687325
They just pose with guns to google street view.
>>61687128
Literally all your little fucking sandbar is good for is a nuclear testing site
We should start taking advantage of the caribbean
>>61685607
três contando com o golpe institucional
fora golpistas
>>61687299
I doubt commies are the only problem. Any country that choose to believe and even creates their own pillar of lies isn't going to get far and will only degrade.
That's where I can agree with Albert Pike on.
>>61687345
Everyone poses with guns here. It's just how things are.
>>61687345
Blacks here in the worst neighborhoods unironically are nowhere near that aggressive when it comes to stealing shit from random people, they just stick to killing each other
You are worse than blacks
Fuck your entire shithole country
>>61687387
>I doubt commies are the only problem
They aren't 100% of problem. But I think leftism is 90% of the problem.
Plenty things.
Protestants: "we need schools so people can read the Bible"
Christians: "WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION! IT LEADS TO HERESY!"
Remember USA begun far smaller and then expanded, pic related. The same didn't happen with Brazil, that in turn is far, far more heterogeneous culturally speaking.
First colony getting independence = metropolises curbing down revolts faster. Pernambuco almost got independent roughly after USA, but guess what: Portugal already knew the path they would go and sent troops.
Latifundia. This wrecked Latin America as a whole... and also Iberia. The power structure it formed still exists.
Also, Latins (both Americans and Europeans) have a taste for military potatoship and fascism that often shits things. Why do you think retards still defend that Bolsonaro suicidal butcher?
>>61687209
>w-well we COULD be good!
no, shut the fuck up joao, the nature of your people prevents it therefore you can never be a good, properly functioning country
>>61687366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHp6KfzySz0
>>61687412
>you
>>61687412
>Blacks here in the worst neighborhoods unironically are nowhere near that aggressive when it comes to stealing shit from random people, they just stick to killing each other
It's because your laws are very severe. But if you have soft shitty European wannabe laws like us, they would be the same shit.
>>61685735
>spaniards
go to clean the toilet, woitila
>>61687184
How mature of you really.
One of us is acting more like an ape and it´s certainly not me.
>>61687292
And how is that we were supposed to be decent countries?. The circumstances that you are presenting with african colonies also apply to us, and if we compare the two, we are far better than any british african ex colony (maybe not south africa).
And the spaniards or portuguese never set up a country from nothing as far as i know. You cant really compare the two.
It seems that you really like the british toilets you have to clean
>>61687299
>>61687424
>MUH COMMIES SCAPEGOAT!
Dude. Commies are disorganized and busier fighting among themselves than actually doing shit. Except if you're one of those retards who think PSDB and PT are commie parties.
One is filled with Brazilians and the other is filled with non-Brazilians.
>>61687483
so if your laws are so lax, get a gun, go out armed, and start killing little street urchins and fix the problem yourself?
it's not like the fucking police will stop you
>>61687184
nope, false. now unclog my toilet
>>61687514
They are all part of Fabian Society, they still are socialists. The same socislists post-dictadorship who made all of these shitty laws.
>>61685957
it's not crime, it's wealth redistribution
>>61687559
>it's wealth redistribution
Say that to Morocco, a mulatto country. Safe as fuck.
>>61687412
t. Jamal
>>61687509
>And the spaniards or portuguese never set up a country from nothing as far as i know.
What about Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Colombia etc etc ...
>. The circumstances that you are presenting with african colonies also apply to us
Did African native population was slaughtered/succumbed to diseases once Brits colonized them? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Because Brazil on it's early days was like fuckin paradise and no one would need to work cause the food literally grew in trees, naked chicks everywhere, hot climate so there was no need to build houses...
It's the same as Africa, if you already have everything why are you going to work for what you already have?
>huge ASS countries
I see what you did there
>>61687552
Poles are literally wealthier than Panamians, you can clog my toilet also suck my dick.
>>61687598
Were were a bunch of big farms made for spices
>>61687209
>what could be the best country on Earth,
There is literally a 0% chance of Brazil ever being the best country on earth and there never was, that's American levels of undue national pride right there.
>>61685735
>>61686094
>>61686526
>>61687292
>>61687598
WTF Poles can stay now
>>61687557
>They are all part of Fabian Society
I don't even think the Fabian Society has Brazilian representatives, let alone ties with the Labour Party/PT.
I hope the next thing you're going to mention is NOT "the new world order" or stuff like that.
>>61687619
This is why there are so many southern Europeans living with their parents?
Seriously, even Brazilian rates are 24%. Why do you love your mom so much?
>>61687591
>t. unironic brown jungle ape
>>61687742
http://g1.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2013/11/cresce-indice-de-jovens-de-25-34-anos-que-vivem-com-os-pais-diz-ibge.html
>>61687598
>What about Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Colombia etc etc.
Ever heard of the Incan Empire? or any amerindian tribes? Diseases didnt kill the am all, you know.
>Did African native population was slaughtered/succumbed to diseases once Brits colonized them?
No, but they were slaughtered by machine guns. Do you realize that colonization of america and africa happened at different times? or the soviets didnt teach you that?
>>61686800
Basically this. WASPs have common law.
Catholics have shitty laws against crime and corruption.
ITT- retards that think that the portuguese tried to do the same as the Brits
>>61687365
You've already raped it many times
>>61687860
But we had more than 6 million of European immigrants and could be higher, there are no excuses post-independence, really.
>>61687654
Except we actually are the greatest country on earth
100 MORE YEARS OF HEGEMONY
>>61687846
>WASPs have common law.
Germany sent hi.
>Catholics have shitty laws against crime and corruption.
Specially Bavaria and Ba-Wü.
>>61687906
>always repeating fucking Bavaria
Bavaria has lot of Lutero's influence and German laws are somewhat shit against crime, they are just educated.
>>61687742
Well, mostly because most parents in Portugal are over protective and want their kids to stay with them as longer as possible. Since most people in Portugal don't have high ambitions they prefer to stay with their parents so they can still live free of responsabilities.
Also, many males in Portugal can never find a gf so they no longer have a reason to leave home
>>61687905
Power + influence ≠ greatness
>>61687956
>Also, many males in Portugal can never find a gf so they no longer have a reason to leave home
What a way to live. What's the suicide rate there?
>>61687984
Ah right, greatness = being an irrelevant rock in the north atlantic that creates nothing and imports all of their best qualities
Fuck up limey
>>61687956
>mostly because most parents in Portugal are over protective and want their kids to stay with them as longer as possible.
>Since most people in Portugal don't have high ambitions they prefer to stay with their parents so they can still live free of responsabilities.
>Also, many males in Portugal can never find a gf so they no longer have a reason to leave home
This sounds like my life. Internet ruined us all.
>>61687846
>Catholics have shitty laws against crime and corruption
Even Islam is better than Catholics in laws. Just see Morocco. 90% of Moroccans are quadroons, they have at least 20% of SSA DNA.
Morocco is a very safe country for tourism and they have one of the lowest homicide rates of the planet.
>>61688063
I never said Britain was great, it's just as shit as America.
>>61687945
Bavaria AND BADEN-WÜRTTENBERG. They're Catholic Christians, they're under Roman law, and yet things there aren't worse than in Brandenburg or Saxony, showing that the _current_ presence of a Christian or a Protestant majority is irrelevant.
Unhappy with the example? Austria then.
And regarding Common Law: see map. Civil Law is used by shit and non-shit countries alike.
>>61688152
Again, German laws are very shit against crime. If Germans were unneducated, Germany would be a shithole.
>>61688053
>What's the suicide rate there?
We have the highest rates of depression in Europe. I think that most people just become addicted to anti-depressants here. Those who are too poor to escape to alchool or drugs end up throwing themselves to the train line.
>>61688076
>Internet ruined us all
Yes
>>61685392
Iberians lack organizational skills. This is still true today.
And education. They didn't have the strong, broad-based philosophical and political that was developed by the Anglos and adapted by the Anglos from other cultures.
Also, the Iberians were more intent on conquest and exploitation, rather than establishing idealistic (and ideological) colonies.
Annnnd... your geography isn't exactly amber waves of grain. Manifest destiny is hard to accomplish through the endless Amazonia.
>>61688226
>Again, German laws are very shit against crime.
Source?
Or, if you're going to cherry pick shitty laws [that obviously exist everywhere]: remember that Common Law is prone to generate stuff as this: http://tjshome.com/dumblaws.php
>>61688257
>the Iberians were more intent on conquest and exploitation
Maybe it's an excuse for Spanish America, this is not an excuse for Brazil. We really can't blame Portugal for nothing after independence.
There were lot of European massive immigration plans and some of them worked. It's all our fault. Also even slavery and Native American killings in Midwest was mostly after independence.
>>61688340
>remember that Common Law is prone to generate stuff as this: http://tjshome.com/dumblaws.php
Purports to link to "common law" stupidities...
Actually links to civil codes.
I think you need to learn what "common law" means before you start to post nonsense.
>>61688340
>Germany's maximum penalty is just 15 years
>>61685567
1889, 1930, 1964, possibly 1985.
>>61685392
Because in no way are they comparable.
>>61688384
Even the americans had to go to war with themselves to get the big slave owners to shut the fuck up, we never could do that because the whole country was one big farm
>>61688480
Only this? Really? Seriously, I can't imagine if Europe become full of unneducated people. It would be a chaos too.
>>61688257
>Manifest destiny is hard to accomplish through the endless Amazonia.
Not only the jungle, but also a semi-arid region in Northeast (Sertão) and an annoying hill range on what's today The South and "South"East.
>>61688257
>Also, the Iberians were more intent on conquest and exploitation, rather than establishing idealistic (and ideological) colonies.
Intents were the same, regardless of being Asspainiards, Poortuguese, Dutchbags or Britbongs.
>>61688458
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only State in USA where Roman Law is used is Louisiana.
But hey, whatever. Here: http://britainexplorer.com/strange-british-laws/
>>61688480
Because a smaller max penalty means shitty law, right?
Please think before posting.
>>61688606
>Because a smaller max penalty means shitty law, right?
Of course it's shit. Because you can kill 80 people like Breivik and get only 15 years in prision.
US: democratic, developmentist and industrialist
BR: aristocratic, interentist and agrarian
I could go on trough several nuances, such as the fact that a cow in North American plains milks 20 times more milk than the same cow in tropical pastures, or the fact that Brazilian presidents that sponsored industrialization would give loans to investors but in the contracts they signed they would forget to mention that the money loaned should go solely to industry rather than expanding the agro business, but the main things are what I mentioned.
>>61688128
which cunt would you say is great
>>61688685
I forgot to mention what is probaly the most important which is
US: settlement colony
BR: exploitation colony
>>61688685
>interentist
I never heard of this word before
>>61688651
>Breivik
Shitty example, since the Norwegian was condemned to 21y.
Regardless. LAW SEVERITY IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT. It doesn't matter if the max penalty is 10 or 50 years if the law isn't enforced.
>>61688805
>LAW SEVERITY IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT
These laws only work only if your country is full of educated people like Germany.
It's not the case for the Americas in general.
>>61688774
Developmentists: want to retain their powers in society trough investments in the economy, causing growth
Interentists: want to retain their powers in society trough repression of new ideas, causing stagnation
Most rural aristocrats trough history were interentists, ie Austrian landlords of the mid 17th centuries, Edo Japan, etc.
>>61688849
>These laws only work only if your country is full of educated people like Germany.
No, it doesn't matter.
People don't consider "ah, I'm going to be jailed only for 15 instead of 30 years, gonna kill'em all!", people simply avoid being jailed.
For example, if you applied the very same laws from Germany here in Latin America, shit would be the same. Not worse. Not better either.
>>61687833
>Ever heard of the Incan Empire? or any amerindian tribes? Diseases didnt kill the am all, you know.
Just 90% of them
>>61688257
Fucking this. Spaniards are literally subhuman. Anglos are literally a pinnacle of human evolution.
>>61686394
Poland had colonies though. The Kurlanders, who swore fealty to the poles established colonies in the
Caribbean.
Unless you count the Kurlanders as sovereign, making them the smallest European nation to take part in American colonialism and the only German state to do so.
>>61688606
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only State in USA where Roman Law is used is Louisiana.
True dat, but more specifically the Napoleonic Code. It is the bane of law students/attorneys who wish obtain licensure in Louisiana and any other state.
>>61688970
Right. And 10% of them is still a lot. More considering that spaniards bred with them, resulting in, well, us.
>>61689040
Never heard of them
>lots of resources
nice meem
because pic related
>>61685957
Planet of the apes
>>61686232
Then how come your country is such a shithole? It is litteraly 61 times the size of my country and has 2.5 times as many inhabitants as my country, yet is has a smaller total GDP than my country.
>>61689296
I have no fucking idea on who is this guy, but does he bite the nails?
>>61687444
Protestants are Christian. I'm not saying you're wrong though. I'm a Catholic myself, but even I've noticed a difference in cultures between my community and others.
>>61689395
NO! PROTESTANTS ARE LIKE MUDSLIKE AND KIKEISTS! THEY FOLLOW FALSE GODS LIKE LUTHER AND MUHAMMAD, NOT JESUS!
(Force of habit.)
>>61689374
I think he's trying to bite the wrapper off the top of the bottle
>>61689491
Yeah, but this is often common when you bite your nails and can't use them to open bottles.
>>61689296
thats pretty cute
>>61689134
>Right. And 10% of them is still a lot. More considering that spaniards bred with them, resulting in, well, us.
But all their structures and statehood were completely wiped out. Spaniards were building new states from nothing. Stop finding stupid excuses. Actually if you want any blame your shitty climate and infertile lands(jungles aren't really suited for agriculture)
>>61687906
Common law and property law are anglo-saxon in origin. Lutheran protestantism influenced our strong work ethic and adherence to individualism and getting by on your own.
>>61689562
not as cute as this
>>61689604
Yes, yes, but then the Germans decided for the Roman/civil law, unlike the Brits who decided for the Anglo-Saxon/common law whom you inherited the law system from.
This already points the flaw in >>61687846's argument that the problem is the law system.
>>61685392
Brazil is a great argument against immigration the U.S.. If we end up with the demographics of Brazil, we'll probably end up with the Brazilian economic situation as well.
>>61689648
>hairy arms and fingers
Dropped.
>>61689161
Fake map, this is the correct one.
>>61688685
US has a huge agricultural industry, though. And the entire country isn't one big Midwestern plain, by the way. California is a breadbasket and it's basically an enormous desert.
>>61685392
>weak neighbors
Come at me
>>61689134
You should look them up. I find it all rather interesting.
>>61686765
polish are just russians in denial too
>>61685392
reminder brazil outclassed the us economically when it got independence
>>61689563
Spaniards applied a lot of incan ruling methods to their colonies, like the same caste system, for example.
You see, history is not a Civilization game in which every state starts almost at the same conditions. Every circumstance and event is influential on the outcome. The spanish and british are different states with different history. Dont simplify everything and say one did better than the other because is not that simple.
And stop sucking british cock so much. It will not help you get in the uk after they leave the eu
