What's the deal with Slovenia and Slovakia?
I mean, what's the deal?
>>61549791
It's a slavic inside joke to make people from the west think there are different peoples when they are actually all just crypto-russians
>>61549791
>Slovakia
Did you mean CZECHOSLOVAKIA?
Slovaks are hungarians in denial
Both come from one slavic tribe, got separated due to Habsburgs- eternal german in the action.
Both are with lot of mountains and slavic. Other than that we dont have much in common nowadays
As to why the names are so similiar- they both mean land of slavs in old slavonic
Both flags were created in 1848 at Prague panslavic congress.
The Slovak flag is just panslavic tricolor, the emblem is how Slovakia was represented in Kingdom of Hungary, the mountains are Tatra Matra Fatra-2 of those are present in modern day Slovakia, the cross is just byzantine symbol
No clue about Slovenian emblem
>>61549821
Both are unironically more similiar to Austrians than to Russians
>>61550070
>got separated due to Habsburgs- eternal german in the action.
>eternal german
literally the only reason why you're not a complete shithole, m8
>>61550171
without eternal šváb we would be protestant country with stuart dynasty as kings
so fuk of russian rape baby
Was there ever a slovenian or slovakian independent state before the late 20th century? Poland, Serbia and a few others make sense t.b.h but they just seem like meme countries.
>>61550223
>biting the hand that has given you every piece of civilization you've ever known
Slav/10
>>61550245
Slovak Republic was a clerical fascist puppet state of Nazi Germany
Nominally independent
>>61549791
Fuck off Jerry.
>>61550171
top kek. Germs took way more from us than we got.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremnica
>>61550245
>slovakian
its just slovak
they seem like meme to you because you are ignorant
>>61550294
I meant in real history
>>61549791
Slovakia twice the people, twice the land area, the gdp
>>61550342
What
>>61549825
Clippy, you need an update.
>>61550250
these german myths lol
>>61550223
>stuart dynasty
not really a good thing>>61550245
>>61550245
>literal fucking colony calling other countries meme
>>61550344
Same relevance i.e. none
Which one are these guys from?
>>61550325
>ask a question
>"they seem like meme to you because you are ignorant"
ok
>>61550349
I meant did you have kings n shiet or is it just a by product of 20th century memes
>>61550373
so? We're a new world country
>>61550250
We wuz kings, fought Frank's, Hungarians, Bulgsrians and Greeks, while you Germs slaughtered yourselves in your duchies as an imperial pastime. It took Austrians to hold you by the balls and civilise you
>>61550414
>country is part of kingdom for 1000 years
>did you have any kings
>>61550070
2003 - birth of indep. Slovak rep.
oh.. okay.
>>61550414
Nope, we wuzn't kangs.
Slovak national identity developed in the 19th century as a reaction to Hungarian nationalism. Before that we were just Slavs living in the Upper Hungary.
>>61550245
they're very young countries but the actual land, cultures, people etc. are not
>>61550070
The Slovene flag comes from the colours of the Duchy of Carniola and go back to the 14th century. Panslavism is a meme.
>>61550361
still better than inbred habsburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Stuart,_Queen_of_Bohemia
>>61549791
>those differing colors
ree
>>61550491
it actually developed thanks to French revolution. The magayrization was response to it
>>61550519
its a meme but super succesful one
>>61549791
I'll never learn the difference between those two
Czechoslovenia is austrian clay
>>61550171
>>61550250
Funny how all three golden ages were not under Habsburg rule:
>Přemysl Otakar II. Iron and Golden King
>Karel IV.
>First Czechoslovak Republic
golden ages struck under Habsburgs:
0 (Zero)
>>61550491
So in medieval times, were you treated the same as hungarian peasants or did you have some sort of political autonomy? Whats the difference between you and croats?
>>61550566
austroslovenia is czech clay
we are the biggest one
>>61550547
Yes, ofc. Nationalism and nation states started there.
I meant, it was its immediate direct cause.
Slovakia opressed by disgusting asiatic short savages
Slovenia opressed by disgusting shitskins and inbred krauts
Now they are both free after millenium of tyranny and ready to take on the world
>>61550547
>super succesful
Is that why every Slavic nation now lives in its own country?
Brace yourselves
This thread will be hit in full force by Slovak autism
>>61549791
So, who are the good and the bad guys?
>>61550596
No there was no autonomy, modern slovakia was called highlands and slavs lived there, we can say it was region, but it was still under hungarian kingdom
>>61550656
thats why we all speak slavic langauge and have slavic countries instead of big austria and big hungary
>>61550584
What made you think I was referring to the habsburgs in particular?
Also, this thread kinda exploded with mad/happy slavs, we need more threads about eastern europe, you guys seem to appreciate them
>>61550566
this
>>61550656
>unshackle Slavic peoples from oppressors
>create independent Slavic states
>unite Slavic states into one Galactic-Ultra-Superpower
Thats how the old panslavic legend goes if I am not mistaken
>>61550596
Not really. Only saxons and szekelys had the same rights as hungarian peasants. Everyone else was a second/third class citizen.
>>61550679
That's thanks to nationalism, not supranationalism.
the thing is, westerners have this stupid concept in mind, that slavic languages are one thing
and that's the reason for this kind of threads
>>61550740
panslavism=nationalism
>>61550596
Croatia was one of the kingdoms in the Austrian Empire, a subdivision of Hungarian Transleithania (see more on this term on Wikipedia or any other source)
Transleithania consisted of:
duchy (help me here?): Tranylvania, kingdoms: Hungary, Croatia-Slavonia. The early Hungarian kings wore Hungarian and Croatian crown. So our lands were elevated, like Bohemia was also a kingdom.
Don't know about Slovakia, was it a duchy, or an archduchy...?
And Croatia received autonomy under Hungarians (Austrian pressure). Own army, own parliament (responsible to Budapest first, but we usually sent drafts and ideas to Vienna, which made Hungarians butthurt a lot), own flag and hymn, later on even own language instead of Latin...In short, we tried to ignore Hungarians as micj as the law permitted and Austrians approved before telling us to fall back in line because Hungarians showed signs of parliamentary chimp out (and better to appear Hungarians than us, in thr grand scheme they were a large part of the Monarchy)
Croatian-Hungarian love was a masochist one. But still, love
>>61550760
Panslavism is Panslavism is a form of supranationalism since it's about uniting a whole linguistic group, not just one nation.
>>61550759
Well, they're more similar than Germanic and Romance languages
Slavs diverged later on
>>61550711
>What made you think I was referring to the habsburgs in particular?
Habshits were big fat fucking mistake, good ol' Luxemburgers and Palatinaters. ;-;
Never forget Krauts betrayal when Ottokar II. was supposed to get the juicy HRE crown, but noooooooooooooo,
Germans couldnt have Bohemian king as an Emperor. So you would rather elect some clownass faggot.
>>61550810
thats why its meme, they never wanted that, they just needed good reason to go independent.
t. ''''''czechoslovak'''''' citizen
>>61550674
Slovenes are the bad guys. Don't even give nuclear weaponry to Slovenes. They hate the world
>Slovenia
meme country tbqh
>>61550820
but i still wouldn't understand everything if you told me something in slovak
not to mention russian or serbian
>>61550906
https://youtu.be/PHRFJLGtJmU?t=1m31s
how much can you understand from this?
>>61550906
Same, but I'm really bad at understanding other Slavic languages except for Czech.
>>61550788
> but we usually sent drafts and ideas to Vienna, which made Hungarians butthurt a lot
Yeah I read this when I went to croatia, was interested about the horse guy in the main square, why I'm curious in the first place.
Ive asked Slovenes the same questions but they always tell me that they ruled over all of Austria or some other crazy theories which is why I dont really understand the whole idea of the country other than "slavic Austrians", and in that case, why not just be a part of Austria then? I mean, Quebec is not independent, but still has its own history and culture, and always had autonomy of some sort.
>>61550947
like 20%
>>61550724
I like this one, proposed and upheld by certain Croats and Czechs
>unshackle the Slavic people by increasing literacy and hitching a ride on the global birthrate increase
>outbreed Hungarians with Romanian help and spill into Pannonia
>form Slavic initiatives and cooperate closely in the Viennese parliament through strong lobbying, ignoring Austrian Cis/Transleithania divisions
>cooperate in sports, form Slavic working unions
>become the majority population, hold as much offices and initiatives, while still backed by Austrian economics and war-less prospects/progress of a giant country
Sounds like a swell plan
>>61550947
50%
>>61550947
some words
>>61550995
>why not just be a part of Austria then?
Because they are not Austrians, pls dont compare new world province to 1000+ years of political shitshow
>>61550995
>why not just be a part of Austria then?
Rural Austrians, especially in Styria, really dislike Slavs. It wouldn't work out.
gyppos
I don't see thet difference nor do I see the reason to notice any differences
whenever I'm down south to ski I just speak Polish and they try to understand or look for a translator
>>61550947
99.9%
>>61551088
funny because I could swear that I heard more german in slavic countries than in vienna kek
>>61550995
The horse guy got cucked in the end. Another example of the sharp instrument of Viennese politics
The civil ear broke out, Hungarians did a Hunxit, thinking thr entity of Transleithania will grab tjeir hand and rejoice, jumpong together into rhr distant sunset while showing Austrians the finger, but Croats gave Hingarians the finger and put the fommand at Austrian disposal. The guybon the horse was promised a Croatia with more autonomy, jidt as Austrians promised Czechs this, Slovaks that, and even Romanians and Serbs were promised things...
We fought, the armies were shit, Austrians command was shit and we got wrecked, had to call Russia to help Austrians clean their mess. Hungary was pacified and all our promised annulled, just to keep Hungarians from not going at it again. But 20 years later, Hungarians did sign a deal with Croats which reaffirmed our autonomy and expanded it measl...I mean symbolically)
>>61551034
No I meant more like extermination and repopulation of the empty space left behind which I choose to call
"Místo pro život"
Only select groups of peopel are eligible to be left to survive.
I cast my Slavic vote for Austrians.
So now the remaining nations are:
>Czechs
>Slovaks
>Polaks
>Slovenians
>Croats
>Serbs
>Bulgarians
>Ukrainians
>Belorussians
>Baltic dwarfs
>Russians
>Macedonians
>Sorbs and other meme slavs
and honorary Slavs:
>Austrians
>>61551259
umm excuse me but we Silesians are not Poles exclude us from those ignorant faggots ASAP
>>61551253
>thinking thr entity of Transleithania will grab tjeir hand and rejoice,
We offered to fight on the hungarians side in exchange for being treated like human beings, and they refused. So we fought for the austrians in exchange for being treated like human beings, and the hungarians vetoed that after the austrians won the war.
>>61551259
I liked our AH borders, keep the community together, "Slavs versus Hungarians and Austrians" parliamentary boogaloo
By now,we would have had fully fledged party systems. Imagine, an Austria-Hungary where Austria and Hungary are held hostages by Slavs...
Slovenia is a bigger them then Bosnia senpai
>>61551448
it already happened, most of the government in late A-H was Polish and Czech
>>61550995
Most of modern Austria (Carinthia, Styria, Lower Austria) used to be populated mostly by the ancestors of Slovenes. The Bavarians came later and assimilated the Slovenes throughout the centuries.
>>61551088
Hating Slovenes was more of a Carinthian thing, although it got better in the last few years. It's because Carinthia is the region in Austria with the most Slovene blood so the assimilated Slovenes would try to break any link with their heritage.
>>61551448
you mean
>Czechocroatia?
maybe if we will be one republic or federation you guys will stop your systematic extermination of my fellow friends.
Slavs aren't human so who cares
>>61551391
Welcome to Austrian politics, my Ardelean former compatriot. Not even a fine print "we will trick you" included
The difference is, we would have only fought with Hungarians if they let us go independent, and they simply wouldn't want that
Read about the "Magnate conspiracy". Hungarians ratted us out to Austrians when they foibd out we weren't plotting for hr same thing (they for the exit of Hungary - entire Hungary, and we called in Ottomans to guarantee our sovereignty after Hungarians and Croats get rid of Austrians, so we can get rid of Hungarians as well)
It's hilarious, reading the history of our lands
>>61550070
>panslavic tricolor
No self identity
>emblem is how slovakia was represented in the kingdom of Hungary
When the slaves put the signs of their masters on the national flag
>Three mountains
Only two actual slovakian
>byzantine symbol
Being catholic but using orthodox cross
Your country is a complete joke, better join the czechs.
>>61551497
Mountain serbs tbqh
>>61551557
>>61551590
killer proxy
>>61551557
>my history and heritage is bad, let's forget about it
>>61551703
>history and heritage
>m-muh sława
zabij się
tylko ruscy szpiedzy mają fetysz na punkcie jebanej grupy lingwistycznej
>>61549791
whats the deal with austra and australia?
I mean, what's the deal?
>>61551769
chyba nawet nie wiesz o czym mówię a już mi implikujesz jakis panslawizm
wypierdalaj
>>61551557
Don't be mean they are trying really hard
>>61551557
t. László Kovács
Being lapdog to Habsburgs isnt much better
>>61551769
Pańslawizm nam teraz nie trzeba, ale jest posłużył naszem clowi. To trzeba przyznać...
>>61552206
it may have served croatians, but it was always cancer in poland
>>61552271
Nie dbam o północnych p*laczkach/p*laczkow
Tylko based Galicja i sławni Kraków :DDD
>>61552734
panslawizm to rak
t. krakus
>>61552832
t. ukraiński szpieg/implant który myśli że pańslawizm jest ruska demoniczna maszyna
>>61553001
>pańslawizm jest ruska demoniczna maszyna
bo tak jest, przynajmniej w polsce
>>61551933
At least Austrians had culture, world famous classical musicians, writers, arts, on the other hand what did you have? Oh that's right a few gypsies living in mudhuts on the side of the mountains.
Austria >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shitvakia
>>61553113
Thats true, shame you couldnt be more like austria
>>61551371
I don't see Silesia on the map.
>>61553029
Przynajmniej nam Rosja nie wysła usrani cukierki przez Lidl i Kaufland
Jebeni Polacy
>>61553159
We are plently like Austria. We had a handful of world famous classical musicians such as Liszt. Also we have always had god tier inventors.
http://www.nature.com/news/has-a-hungarian-physics-lab-found-a-fifth-force-of-nature-1.19957
Need I say more?
>>61549791
slovenia shouldn't exist, its territories belong to italy, austria and croatia
could belong to slovakia if a """czech""" corridor ever succeeded
>>61553540
you are budget version of austria thats made in china. Tell me one thing that in 1000 years kingdom of hungary achieved that beats Austrians
>>61550070
>Both are unironically more similiar to Austrians than to Russians
>>61553651
Its true, wish it wasnt though
>>61551508
Why do Czechs travel all the way to Croatia to die?
>>61553598
>you are budget version of austria thats made in china
Sweet St. Stephen, the kek is strong
>>61553563
>It'sa me, Fojbaman!
>>61553667
I don't know, I got drunk with some Slovenians (or was it Slovaks?) once and they were the typical eastern Europeans.
>>61553691
Hungary is budget version of Czechia
compare to Austria Hungary is shithole with one big pond in the middle
>>61553437
To chce klid a nohy v teple.
>>61553598
>you are budget version of austria thats made in china
And your country is a budget version of a budget version of Austria that was made in China. Checkmate.
But anyway, you probably know of Teller Ede, AKA Edward Teller, who happens to be the father of the hydrogen bomb. I think that pretty much btfo's anything Austria could bring up.
>>61549791
Both are part of russian (slavic) culture.
>>61553800
I literally understood two words. "It wants..."
????
>>61553870
Thread imploding in 3...2...1...
>>61551529
>t. Ahmed Bin Afflick
>>61553811
Also, Miklos Zrinyi, famous Ottoman butthurt inflictor
>>61553903
Du brauchst Ruhe und warme Füße
that is, chill out
>>61553746
Come to Trieste tomorrow. I'll wait you in Piazza Unità d'Italia at 19:30. I'll open your ribs with my bare hands, animal.
>>61553989
Telling Balkanites to calm down usually infuriates them further
Next time, don't use a translated German saying
>>61554061
The african genes speaking.
>>61554082
It's not German, I was just bored and translated it into (bad) German to keep to the A-H theme of the thread.
>Telling Balkanites to calm down usually infuriates them further
You should drink more beer
>>61553811
Teller was jew
Slovaks do everything to distance from Hungary, literal opposite to what Hungarian kingdom did in relations to Habsburgs
also
>budget
t. 1 000 000 forints for bread
>>61554209
So? Teller was an agnostic. Even then, he considered himself Hungarian first and foremost.
>>61554209
You separate Jews from Hungarians? We say "Mađarskk Židov" (Hungarian Jew). Hungarian is his nationaloty, Judaism is his religion
>>61554295
>>61554345
good goys
>>61554345
Jews are both a race AND a religion.
>>61554372
That's pretty ungoy, mate. Breaking the Chosen Ones through censuses and assigning them frivolous titles, such as nationalities and drawing them into the world of thr goy
>>61554061
You'll be capitulating or joining my side by 19:45
>>61554461
>this is what a Čeh believes
No that towelhead gene in a Polish Jew is not "Jewish", it's Towelheadish Mizrahi, who are simply a religiously different Arabs
I know it's Reddit, but just last week they had an article on the front page where they said the two countries have annual meetings to exchange misdelivered mail between the two.
>>61554566
wouldn't it just be easier to redirect it as it comes? i don't imagine they share many addresses as the languages are pretty different
>Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Byzantine historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute, because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us",[4] and had the envoys slain. Bayan then campaigned (in 578) against Daurentius' people, with aid from the Byzantines, and set fire to many of their settlements, although this did not stop the Slavic raids deep into the Byzantine Empire.[5]
based slavs
>>61554566
Don't worry, the stigma of browsing Reddit has become so ironic, even redditors call out others on being "Reddit". You know when people say they're "blowing off steam" here? It translates to "I can't say this shit on Reddit/I lost an argument on Reddit, so I came here to vent".
>>61554566
>>61554750
t. r*dditors
>>61554747
>Daurentius
Dobręta, translates into sth like "good guy"
>>61554747
>so it shall always be for us
Yeah, that did not work out
>>61550245
Our language was first written down when your ancestors were getting their shit bashed by Normans m80.
>>61554793
slavs are warriors
i respect your people a great deal
i only wish i had but at least one drop of noble slavic blood so that i could claim slavic heritage
alas......
>tfw american
>>61550857
Shut up and give sea access bosanđero.
>>61555073
Ask Italians, they own your Trst, Gorizia and with it your destined sea access. Plenty of it around Trst.
The only reason you are pressuring us is because you can't do it to Italians. If you did, Europe would have a thorough laugh and then bow down to Italian interests
>>61555258
This. Trieste is rightfully Slovene, and on the day you plan to retake it, send me a message and I'll be down there to help.
>>61554566
Never heard of it.
>>61549791
Slovakia = butthurt mountain gypsies
Slovenia = cheeky beach niggers
It's really not that hard lad
>>61555258
While this is true it doesn't make you any less of a sea stealer.
>>61555395
>stealer
Start sending those fisheries into Italian sea, they will probably bombard you, we just spray you with water cannons
Stop stealing our fish
These Sloniggers don't even recognise and appreciate the good neighbours they have. Austrians and Croats, harmless Hungarians and cultured Italians.
The best place to be, and they choose to be salty
>>61555342
Slovenia has Alps.
>>61551557
Here he goes again. Look at you Slovakia, posting on /v4/ thinking you just said some smart shit.
Out of all countries that post here Slovaks are the ones that piss me off the most. Their entire fucking culture makes no sense. What exactly is it that you do? Carry ciupaga and eat oscypek?
If I think of Poland I think of wódka, winged hussars and Jesus. Sure, lots of partitions and occupations, but at least they wear their stubborness like a badge of honor, use it as a cultural identity, their flag promotes the martyrdom of the country with these innocent white and bloody red stripes.
Czechia is slutty, a country that prides itself on its porn industry and their citizens who jerk off to it. It's also the country with the biggest responsibility when it comes to flooding Europe with its beer and knedliki. Their flag waves the same colours as Poland, but they slapped a blue triangle on it. A degenerate flag for a degenerate country.
Hungary is serious and depressed to a fault. They live hard lives and kill themselves. Obviously the entire country is pretty much a shithole but it breeds fat, suicidal people who can take permanent care of themselves. Their flag represents the sky, the white, and the steppe, the green, but also the burning humiliation of Trianon in the red, it all comes together to signify that their country is bleak and there is no hope in it.
But Slovakia, what are they fucking known for? Being Northern Hungary, I guess? Or East Czechia? Is that your role in the world? Being a part of other country? That's not an achievement. Everyone can be a part. It's easy to be a part. You don't have to do anything.
So what did your country decide to put on their flag to show the entire world what Slovakia is all about? A Hungarian cross. A FUCKING HUNGARIAN CROSS. You decided that you like to be the Northern Hungary so damn much that you might as well put their fucking cross on your flag. You don't even respect your own country so why the hell should I?
>>61555715
Cheeky beach mountain niggers then
>>61557321
>knedliki
Your spelling offends me, no whores for you
>>61557520
Here he goes again. Look at you Slovakia, posting on /v4/ thinking you just said some smart shit.
Out of all countries that post here Slovaks are the ones that piss me off the most. Their entire fucking culture makes no sense. What exactly is it that you do? Carry ciupaga and eat oscypek?
If I think of Poland I think of wódka, winged hussars and Jesus. Sure, lots of partitions and occupations, but at least they wear their stubborness like a badge of honor, use it as a cultural identity, their flag promotes the martyrdom of the country with these innocent white and bloody red stripes.
Czechia is slutty, a country that prides itself on its porn industry and their citizens who jerk off to it. It's also the country with the biggest responsibility when it comes to flooding Europe with its beer and knedlíky. Their flag waves the same colours as Poland, but they slapped a blue triangle on it. A degenerate flag for a degenerate country.
Hungary is serious and depressed to a fault. They live hard lives and kill themselves. Obviously the entire country is pretty much a shithole but it breeds fat, suicidal people who can take permanent care of themselves. Their flag represents the sky, the white, and the steppe, the green, but also the burning humiliation of Trianon in the red, it all comes together to signify that their country is bleak and there is no hope in it.
But Slovakia, what are they fucking known for? Being Northern Hungary, I guess? Or East Czechia? Is that your role in the world? Being a part of other country? That's not an achievement. Everyone can be a part. It's easy to be a part. You don't have to do anything.
So what did your country decide to put on their flag to show the entire world what Slovakia is all about? A Hungarian cross. A FUCKING HUNGARIAN CROSS. You decided that you like to be the Northern Hungary so damn much that you might as well put their fucking cross on your flag. You don't even respect your own country so why the hell should I?
One's Hungarian clay, the other's Austrian clay.
>>61549853
Hungarians are slovaks in denial
>>61550394
SLOVANIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIOP7M2DrY
>>61555395
>defend them against Turks, Serbs, Bosnikas
>they stab you in the back
Slovenes, people
Slovenes
>>61551933
Nah it was me from work but now reading this post I feel like I went too far with the bait. Sorry, your country is cool.
ITT: people with croatian last names
>>61550245
The memest of countries commenting. Nigga please.
>>61551458
Obligatory butthurt Bosnian commenting on countries that are 100x more developed. And wtf is Bosnia anyway? Just dissolve and join either Serbia or Croatia.
>>61555395
>>61555575
Kiss and make up. Also, stop pretending that you are any different. It's worse and more embarrassing than Portugal vs Spain.
>>61550223
>Habsburg
>Schwaben
Nein
>>61560586
I think we call more Germans švábi than just Schwaben Germans.
>>61562298
This. We also call cockroaches švabi. And for a reason, if I may add...
>>61560218
>Croatian
>implying
Hrvati were the military class of the ancient Carantanians.
