Invited: core EU members, joined prior to 2000.
We seem to be in a state of desintegration. How is your country doing?
>>61507529
Latest polls prove that 70% of finns are EU-pro.
Anyone wanna guess who will gain indep- I mean exit next?
My guess is Denmark.
>How is your country doing?
Horribly, if you believe economists.
australian can into EU? :3
>>61507707
Technically, there is no territorial criterium.
France+Germany+Benelux+Austria core european empire when?
>>61507752
goodoh
>>61507566
WOW! I am now a #EuroMissile
lads lads lads lads
>>61507566
Sure.. according to Iltapaska
>>61507760
you forgot italy
>>61508038
Nice butthurt there.
>>61508113
>posting a poll
>butthurt
>>61508152
Sure is. Vocal minority in this country is hilarious. They get mad when they see how much our goverment and people actually support EU
ello
>>61508097
no I didn't
>>61508113
How much is iltalehti paying you?
Gonna be a good day when the EU finally dies.
>>61508211
>>61508005
You (have been) voted out.
>>61508202
>nigga is actually believing a tabloid magazine poll
>>61507760
this.
>>61508252
Gonna be a good day when Gibraltar is just another part of Spain
>>61507760
Frankish Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo
why are we second class citizens
why are we threated like scum for our loyalty
>>61508038
Why are you crying
It's clear that the majority doesn't want to sabotage the economy since not everyone is a neetrat who thinks money comes out of the wall.
>>61508352
Cause you are a poor benefittor, rather than a contributing nation.
>>61507529
We are in the Eurozone
Can Slovakia into the EU core? :3
>>61508391
Is your quality of life up to the core members, or, at least, comparable?
Does your youth have a future, or do they move abroad, to core members?
That is the dividing question.
>EU sanctions russia which hurts finnish economy
>WTF EU FINLAND IS SUFFERING WE MUST LIFT SANCTIONS IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE GDP SHRUNK BY -0,2%
>Brexit
>FINLAND SHOULD LEAVE EU
>EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD HURT THE ECONOMY
?????
putinbots are very inconsistent with their shitposting
>>61507529
>have problems
>throw money at said problems
>money runs out
>shit hits the fan
Yeah, this union was always shit.
>>61508258
wat
we are in lad
senpai
Germany is too weak to stop disintegration of EU. Neonazi Russian agent Le Pen is going to win in France soon and do what Brits did: referendum.
>>61508459
This, desu.
>>61508653
1 WEEK
2 BREXITS
>>61508459
inconsistent is their second name 2bh
>why does NATO place battalions on our border we dindu nuffin dis be sabre-rattling
>we need to place a new division of tanks on Polish border just for security lads haha
>>61508686
>>61508653
Enjoying your fractured Union?
>>61507760
Sooner or later you will regret leaving us (unironically)
>>61508686
2?
If you're talking about Scotland they've been told to fuck off by France and Spain
Germany should invite to core union only countries that are its biggest trade partners imo. Of course Poland is most important country of Central-Eastern Europe accordingly to this criteria.
>>61508585
I dont think Russia is against EU
>>61508753
>Germany should invite to core union only countries with a GDP per capita over 20.000USD
ftfy
>>61508715
already looking forward to him trying to prevent an FPÖ government
>>61508778
Of course it is. Disintegration of EU is one of main strategic goals of Russia.
>>61508778
except they have done anything to achieve that, including funding anti-eu parties and bombing the shit out of syria
>>61508793
You can't be that stupid to ignore such money flows. BTW, i believe that such failed and bankrupt shitholes like Greece have GDP per capita over 20k$
>>61508716
Sturgeon always reminds me of the dwarves in WoW :^)
>>61508799
Putin says that he wants a multi polar world (in contrast to current world order where america is a hegemony).
So having a strong EU that doesn't fall in americas sphere of influence is in Russias best interest
>>61508825
How exactly is supporting Assad anti-EU?
>>61508892
Putin doesn't want united Europe that is able to defend itself against Russia. He wants conflicted and isolated European countries that he could play against each other.
>>61508854
Based Poland
Your president came over just a few days ago. I hope they were discussing strengthening our ties.
>>61508854
Not him, but I am all for Poland taking a bigger role in the EU.
The problem is, that I cant really imagine it happening under the current Polish gouvernment, which appears to populistic and egoistic to me
>>61508854
Yeah, Greece has been overfed by easy-lend money. They real productivity would place them below Poland.
The stark contrast in wages and job opportunities causes migration, from the periphery into core EU members. That is something that should be prevented.
>>61508916
I dont think I agree.
A conflicted and isolated European would turn into a bunch of American vassal states, and America is traditionally anti-Russia.
An Europe independant of US infulence could have good business relations with Russia
>>61507707
Morocco applied (long ago) and was rejected, but not because it was in Africa; its application was considered.
Plus, New Caledonia is part of the EU already (since it's in France) and they're right next to Australia.
In fact it's probably easier to join if you're far away from Europe since a recurrent problem for accession is longstanding territorial claims with EU members.
And funfact: for several years (1957 to 1962), the largest territory in the EU (which went by another name then) was in... Africa, since Algeria was an integral part of France (unlike the colonies).
Funfact #2: Guyane is in South America and part of the EU. And it's about the size of Austria, and larger than about half the EU countries (Yeah, it doesn't appear that way on common, Mercator, maps, but check the land areas).
So, Australia, why not? weird idea, but the EU is a really weird idea to start with, so you'll fit right in.
>>61508892
>How exactly is supporting Assad anti-EU?
putin achieves two goals:
1. back his buddy assad
2. flood europe with even more refugees. russia has been proven to target civilian locations, aiming at hospitals, according to some witnesses.
>>61508962
>That is something that should be prevented.
I doubt that more than 1 mln Poles would want to work in Germany. Now it is around 400k. Besides your economy needs workers, you suffer from massive depopulation
>>61508979
>A conflicted and isolated European would turn into a bunch of American vassal states, and America is traditionally anti-Russia.
But what if the leader of America is an isolationist like Trump?
Bam. That's the masterplan right there.
>>61508979
>A conflicted and isolated European would turn into a bunch of American vassal states
Bullshit, USA is coming out of Europe
>>61507529
Britain invited again now that Boris has dropped out of the tory race :D
>>61508993
If there wasn't a civil war in Syria by USA backed islamist rebels, they wouldn't be an influx of refugees to Europe in the first place
>>61509065
it makes no sense to trace back the civil war in syria to a specific influence. it is utter chaos.
>>61509008
>>61509044
You guys from the Ex-Soviet union overvalue the influence Russia has in the World.
Real power means economic power nowadays. Germany is easily dominating the EU, despite having a sorry excuse for an army.
And Russia is pretty much done for. Their average citizen has it worse than a Lithuanian, economically. They have an army to compensate for that, but that is all they have.
>>61509008
In my opinion, it would be a good thing. An isolationst America under Trump would force EU to take more responsibility for itself and create more unity between its member states.
>>61509044
Hopefully, with the British trojan horse out of Europe, Americas influence on EU will decrease
>>61509097
I disagree
The civil war in Syria started in the first place because USA saw an opportunity to overthrow Assad who is an ally of US rivals Russia and Iran
>>61507707
You're already in Eurovision, that's like 95% of the battle.
>>61508726
He means getting beat to fucking Iceland
>>61509240
>civil war
find the mistake.
a civil war is a war between citizen of the same country, hence it has to do with syria only.
it is true that the US backs the so-called Arabic Spring movements, but those are movements meant to displace dictators and have little to do with global feuds.
>>61509195
Russian influence is not about economy, it is about army, secret service and bribery. A lot of very important politicians in your country sit in Russian pocket.
>>61508372
fuck you
you are probably driving some shit we assembled for your greedy ass
get turked
>>61509328
>you are probably driving some shit we assembled for your greedy ass
Yeah, thanks for that, vassal.
>>61509297
Yes, but the parties of a civil war can be backed by foreign countries, see Ukraine.
>but those are movements meant to displace dictators
And to replace them with islamists
>>61509307
Not him but I totally disagree. Russia is way too poor to bribe German politicians
>>61509307
they are currently getting their asses sanctioned into 1990s living standards, while the eu parliament is busy begging canada and the us for a free trade agreement.
so much for "russian influence". they are but a cold war relict that failed to adapt for the post-historical period.
>>61508364
m8, i dont want to leave EU either, i just want massive changes which aren't happening. Ever.
Shit was sold to us as an economic union, not USA 2.0 with shittyer freedoms and settings.
Stop shilling fuckwit
EU FOUNDING MEMBERS ARE TOP TIER
>>61509445
BEST QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE WORLD*
*could include some 50% income tax, mass immigration from the middle east and africa and rampant neoliberalism
>>61509201
>In my opinion, it would be a good thing. An isolationst America under Trump would force EU to take more responsibility for itself and create more unity between its member states.
Europe is already culturally divided to the max, especially with the refugees and economic migrants in the picture. More co-operation between the states would be logical, but the average voter doesn't care about logic. They will fall for the sweettalk of anti-EU populists and at the end of the day, get our countries and peoples BTFO together.
Instability in Europe is really dangerous. There are a lot of exterior forces who are plotting access to the massive wealth this continent has created.
>>61509504
the main problem with the EU that core countries have is one that you (Estonia) certainly never experienced: unlimited mass immigration.
>>61509504
>Europe is already culturally divided to the max
I would disagree. Refugees and Europeans are culturally divided.
Europeans from different countries are culturally pretty similar. Some of them might be more conservative, some more progressive, but in general, the differences are pretty small.
And nowadays, even the more progressive western europeans start becoming more anti-refugee
>Instability in Europe is really dangerous. There are a lot of exterior forces who are plotting access to the massive wealth this continent has created.
And that's why we need a strong and united EU to defend itself against foreign interests and influence
>>61509201
Power vacuum would be immense. It's more likely Russia would take advantage of it (Putin's nigh-autocracy can make decisions much much quicker than the slower democratic nations) and retake the most eastern nations, after striking a deal of co-existence.
At least if we haven't fixed our relationship with Russia at the time. If we can strike a deal with Russia it could be a new golden age for both.
>>61509577
You are experiencing uncontrolled immigration from Russia-bombed Middle East, not from Poland, right?
>>61509628
I would think that if US becomes more isolotionist, the first thing EU does would be improve its relations with Russia, since, as you said, both sides would profit from good relations
>>61509651
>from Russia-bombed Middle East
lol, nice russophobias you got there
>>61509328
>your greedy ass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Arena
>Many allegations of corruption have surfaced regarding the stadium, as Hungary's current prime minister, Viktor Orbán (known for his passion for football) spent much of his childhood in the village
>Allegations were fuelled by the fact that the stadium seats 3,500 people, while the total population of the village is under 1,700
http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/11/10/transparency-international-systemic-government-corruption-in-hungary/
>Transparency International found that, on average, companies that win contracts for EU projects overprice their products by 25% and that the authorities know all about the practice but don’t complain. It is considered to be the normal way of doing business
>>61509651
Yes and no.
The United Kingdoms main concern seemed to be East European immigrants, if you look what the Brexit campaign focussed on.
Germany and France have similar problems, to a smaller extent because of the language barrier and regulated labour markets, BUT reinforced by their self-inflicted Muslim migration.
The rest of the European Union was strongly divided by Mr. Merkel personally, as the refugee waves went through Austria, Hungary and Italy, without them inviting anyone.
A clear majority still want to be part of the EU, but many of those want the EU they're part of to be scaled back from what it currently is. Don't touch our snus, don't touch our hunting rifles, don't let in refugees and then pass them along to us, don't try to make an EU superstate and we might just be able to get along.
>>61509628
If Russia takes Poland, West will lose its main buffer zone and will be consumed in salami-tactics as next one. Besides i don't really understand why would Germany want to give away market from which it takes much more money than from Russia. Moreover, 40 mln of Poles under Russian occupation mean a total war on whole continent that never ceases and sets whole continent on fire.
>>61507529
When will gaschamberwagen pay sanctions payment at 15 billion US dollars for the USA?
>>61509900
This
Shit was sold to us as an economic union, not USA 2.0 with shittyer freedoms and settings.
Fuck the current EU
>>61509944
Political unions form where economic unions are nowadays.
>>61509684
The question is what would be the deal, Belarus and Ukraine? More? Russia would, not having been under U.S. influence, so no power vacuum, have a stronger position in negotiations.
Their economy is in shambles due to us, maybe they'd just want that fixed. although I'm sure many are reluctant to create a booming Russian economy.
Russia needs to get rid of its out-of-date cold war strategists before there can really be a great relationship between the two, if you ask me.
>>61509744
Merkel made a 50/50 decision that could have worked out in the end if Britain didn't just vote bye. Crises are a sound measure to bring continents together, but a double-edged sword that's sharper at the receiving side.
>>61509944
pretty sure a political union was the goal from the very start.
I think the problem is that this goal wasn't communicated to the joining states clearly enough
All the nations who joined after 1951 are part of the problem
>>61509965
>>61510014
I want autonomy, not annexation ffs.
>>61510012
I think the deal would be that Belarus and Ukraine stay under Russian sphere of infulence, and that we would work on a trade deal between EU and Eurasian union.
The long term goal would be an integration between those two unions.
>>61510058
Why exactly are you against United states of Europe?
The biggest problem of the EU is that it's become a dumping place for politicians that couldn't make it in national politics, whereas the 'competent' politicians blame these same politicians they sent to the EU for all of its own problems.
>>61510178
Big countries rule the show (Germany, France) and are not interested in stopping that before federalization.
>>61510178
1. Because we have little to no say about our own country and laws soon enough.
2. The commands come from some shady fucks in brussels nobody even knows and when someone complains, all ppl can say is
>lol we cant cos EU this EU that lel
3. Lunatic fucktard laws being passed and suggested like banning farming your own potato in the back yard, even IRELAND would cry.
4. Merkel invited 62 million refugees worldwide to give him the D
5. We have less governance than american states soon enough.
6. EU doesn't accept criticism and they dont really give a fuck about the native people.
7. Multiculturalism is shit stay in your own countries or assimilate pls.
8. EU doesn't really give a fuck and watching this Brexit shitshow is evidence of that, people have demanded change for years now and all EU does is throw a babby tantrum and sanctions cos UK left.
>>61510549
>self governance
>>61510549
all true, but
>all EU does is throw a babby tantrum and sanctions cos UK left.
UK threw the tantrum despite getting everything and giving close to nothing in return. They are on their own now. No more benefits.
>>61510616
Can you tell me about the benefits that finland has received??
All we do is give give give and contribute.
I want off this ride. I never wanted some soulless EU flag USSR 2.0 shit.
Why dont we just burn all our flags and be done with it? Maybe hire couple of muslims to destroy all our history too.
>>61510616
And the only reason UK left is because they're unhappy with this EU shitshow and theres no change in the horizon, maybe now EU can get a fucking grip, but i seriously doubt it.
>>61507529
#Fixit
i think British leave the EU is good choice. they are Right.
even if they stay in the EU, there is no good anything for them.
all of their money is using for german economy.
the british paid money for Germans(EU), but a German has to return evil for good it.
>>61510178
>None of the people from X-nations can or cannot vote for or against that greasy gigolo from Y-nation.
Thus being non-democratic. Not that being democratic means shit, but it's still something.
>Supranational oligarchy, special interests and globalist agendas over will of the people.
>>61510919
Shut up, cunteyed retard
>>61511075
you are cancer of british.
>>61511099
fucking rekt
>>61510919
fuck off
>>61511189
Uga buga frenchie.
>>61510919
>Ian hiding behind proxy
the triggered poltard finn is the best of this thread
>elect a sweden YES tier PM
>surprised they have no say in anything
>blame EU
>>61511250
Which finn is that?
>>61511250
>here comes the leech of EU, merkel tit juice still dripping from his lips
>>61511178
>>61511189
Why are you angry?
that's a true thing. the EU countries is really ugly. It seems to be a german economy colony really.
>>61511335
I was actually saying you rekt the pole.
>>61510014
>pretty sure a political union was the goal from the very start.
Pretty sure you're wrong. Pretty sure the goal was to prevent another world war by integrating French and German economies to the extent that they would see each other as partners rather than rivals.
>>61511250
Hello mongol brother, how much Merkel pays you?
>>61507662
Good guess. But our government are appealing to the public that we have to stay in the EU and look negatively on Britain's exit. But I'm converting as many as I can. I've already convinced a bunch of people that Trump is not as bad as they say (this usually goes well, but some leftists are hard to change). If anyone votes anything other than Trump or EU exit, then you're living in denial and you should reconsider your actions
>>61511391
Why do frenchies and germans even exist?
Lets just get rid of them both.
>>61511385
ok, and?
I like true. so what?
>>61510014
If that goal was communicated to the joining states, there would've been no joining states.
![6a01156f26ec27970c01348981ffed970c-pi[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZAuPNdl.jpg "6a01156f26ec27970c01348981ffed970c-pi[1].jpg")
>>61511468
Nah, Frenchies and Germans are fine. As long as they stay within their own borders, that is. I just wish they would stop trying to annex the rest of Europe.
Turkey incoming
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36672242
>>61511421
>pro trump
>anti Europe
>converting
Straight out of /pol/
>>61511690
WEW
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>>61511306
>>61511416
>retarded poltards
there isnt another flag which caused that much trouble lately to mama merkel than mine but sure thing meme away neets
>>61511421
RAREFLAG
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>>61511884
BTFO'd so hard he has to admit it.
>>61511578
The French are too bureaucratic.
>>61511690
But French opposes again it.
>>61511909
you are a retard, and underaged at that
kill yourself, along with your family
orban showed the finger to merkel, you kept licking her ass
>>61511690
People really don't understand that Turkey must actually meet criteria; many seem to think that the EU would someday just allow Turkey in because they are such nice guys or something. And even if they meet all the demands countries still have to agree.
>>61511975
cry more bitch nigga :DD
top kek
>>61512029
its you who spent hours crying about EU here
>>61511992
What would happen if that criteria were to be overridden by a big black german decision?
>>61511884
>mama merkel
Holy fuck!
What's wrong with you? Why don't you open the fucking borders then, if you love them so much? At least go suck some refucock! You seem to be good at it. ;^)
>Also you're not even an ugric mongol, but just a retard.
Nice to see you lads also recognise that the EU has serious issues. I hope this one dies, because even if this one reforms, we're sure as fuck not getting back in.
>>61512190
took me 2 minutes
>>61508364
Bait and switch man. The EU is gonna have a hard time pulling off USA 2.0 because everyone knew what they were getting into. "Moving into a territory, its still the US, probably gonna be a state."
"ok thats cool man."
not
"been a country and culture for-fucking-ever and now its time to stop doing that for the greater good of globalization. Also we need you to stop doing a bunch of things...and give up your self determination...also we never really advertised this side of the deal too hard. but that economy though?" "....blyat..."
Not EU members here but why schengen area let people with taiwanese people in? Why they make this decision?
>>61513190
*passport
>>61507529
But I'm a core member too, I'm like right next to you senpai
Nexit now.
>The jewish race must become the leaders of europe. In order to achieve this, the european people need to be mixed with asians and negroids. This results in lower people who are easier to control.
T: Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, founding member of the EUSSR
>>61507752
There is. Morocco once applied for the EU but it was rejected because it's not European.
>european union
Jews fuck off.
>>61513473
Every member is a core member dont listen to the mean people
>>61512309
so far hasn't happened with the visum-free application
>>61515169
do it faggot
>>61516578
>>61516578
>>61515169
They're joining us in our new economic union, the FEU
>>61515092
t-thanks
>>61507529
I don't think I need to explain how we are doing.
There's only one thing:
It's simple: If the People's Party finally gets in power another legislature, we have chances to recover.
If the Socialist Party or Podemos takes the goverment's seat, we are fucked.
I can't wait for the EU to finally die.
Fucked.
>>61517536
*cucked
>>61515043
Seriously? But Israel, which is in the ME, is allowed to join at some point?
The fucking EU is such a joke, I hope it burns down in my lifetime.
>>61517588
Call it whatever, its beginning to turn out pretty ugly. Crime is up, rape is up, car burning in the suburbs are up. murder is up.
>>61517528
Why would an amerifat care? If anything you should love the EU, it's your puppet.
Hi
>>61515043
>there is a territorial criterium
>Turkey will be allowed entry
Someone explain?
>>61507662
the netherlands
Since they are nexit, the have to be next
>>61517964
Turkey is European
>>61518035
'no'
>>61518035
lolno
>>61518035
It is not.
>>61507760
Pointless without a good leader
Islam must be banned from EU!
Immigrants must only be accepted only if they renounce Mohammed and drink alcohol and eat pork!
>>61518168
Good idea, anyone who doesn't meet the requirements should be sent to the currently most indebted EU country for re-socialization also.
>>61518293
why poles are the only people from EU that brits dont want in their country?
>>61518353
Take jobs and send money back home to Poland.
>>61518353
They know that they just can't compete
>>61510012
Land wars are so passe anyway, we annex capital now.
>>61518371
but poles take the jobs the pakis are doing
>>61518414
Doesn't mean that's any better.
>>61511690
>As a large, mainly Muslim country Turkey would significantly change the character of the EU.
>>61518035
maybe like 25 kms of Turkey are
brexit best day of my life
>>61518862
>German, French, British and Dutch stereotypes
>Implying anyone would be against this.
Germany in charge of labor, dutch in charge of finance, French in charge of food, and British in charge of banter almost half as good as Australian banter.
Europe is greek invention.
Europe will collaps like soviet union.
>>61519522
>Germany in charge of labor,
I'm not a autistic robot
>dutch in charge of finance,
We have enough jews as it is
>French in charge of food,
Sorry, I don't eat frogs
>>61519700
>Sorry, I don't eat frogs
Just rotting fish
Are the EU going to deliver a United Ireland or what? We've been waiting long enough now.
>>61519912
You can have it if you take Scotland as well t. EU
let me in you faggots, I want in
Why so many of you really think that Brexit is some major happening? They will leave us, that's it. Change is constant anyway. I don't really think we will lose much. The core countries are still in the game.
Also, God save the Qu... Iceland.
>>61508885
hello
We joined with britain out of economic necessity, We've since come to believe in the ideals and goals of the Union ;_;7
