Putin went full retard. We now have law about "antimoral behavior". You can be officially imprisoned for "immoral" actions and what is immoral is defined by police or "groups of volunteers". I bet all the religious retards would go to volunteers and we would have now sharia all over Caucasus and orthodox activists arresting people for not crossing while passing the church or eating wrong food during fast in a public.
Fuck it, can you grant us all the asylum?
>people will proceed to post 'based russia' even though this is sandnigger tier
>>61416015
Based Russia.
Russia will never not have a "full retard" leader.
>>61416015
based Russia
Interesting, can be stating yourself as an atheist publicly defined as immoral? Fuck, that all force of religion has gone too far. Guys, never underestimate these fags. They have started here first with religious radios and TV shows, than they have gone to schools and started mass building of churches and now we all have this.
Wait, have I missed something?
Since when do we have this law?
>>61416015
Based Russia.
>>61416015
Based Russia
>>61416113
Late July.
https://tjournal.ru/30420-antiobshestvennoe-povedenie-zakrepili-zakonodatelno-i-razreshili-sledit-za-neblagonadyozhnimi
Passed unnoticed with Yarovaya pack.
>based Russia
Is it a meme or what? It's literally Saudi tier or even worse because Saudia at least defines immoral things by law and not by the volunteers.
>>61416015
Based Russia
that is actually pretty good. we definetly need this in here too
>>61416015
That's fucking awesome, I want to more and more take advantage of their new homestead act. Just need to read up more on agriculture/trapping and save up some money
>>61416037
Sharia is based too, the legal system of KSA, Iran etc. are also based.
Actually we are just retarded 50 years away from the West. We have laws like they had in 40s-50s. Soon we will have Mai Rouge because leftist revolution is necessary to stop that shit.
>>61416015
Oh no,what about my hentai?
Should I stay here?
>>61416364
But you are actually consciously moving away from the extreme westernization you experienced in the 90s.
>>61416366
Lol. Hentai has been banned long ago through admitting it a subgenre of child porn (sic!).
>>61416015
Based Russia
>people will defend this because it's Russia while crying when their own governments do something similar
>>61416410
I would applaud it and am dismayed at the general tendency of liberalizing across all parties of Norway.
>>61416239
Well fug
>>61416396
There was no westernization in 90s. It was like 1920s comparing to European history. Many crime and "freedom". Than we had reaction in 00s and rise of petrodollars and in 10s government fucked up the economy totally and started forcing religion and traditionalism severely to keep country under totalitarian control with ruined economy.
>>61416467
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Personally don't enjoy the idea of taking authoritarian cock up my ass and obeying invasive government rules like a cuck.
>>61416325
Yea, but you guys are already shit tier, russia isn't... yet
We need our 60s to get civilized I guess.
>>61416550
We are twin countries with Turkey actually but Turks have a bit more democracy.
>>61416396
>>61416503
What happened to Russia in the 90s is they couldn't handle freedom and having to make decisions for themselves, so they went insane and collapsed into a cesspit of crime and drugs and then begged for a new tyrant emperor to come and save them.
>>61416593
Nigger, do research
>>61416364
>Actually we are just retarded 50 years away from the West. We have laws like they had in 40s-50s
We never even have those kind of laws in the 40s-50s. Back then, you had the freedom to call President Truman an idiot while you cannot call Putin same in 2016.
>>61416612
>>61416503
Yeah, every country isn't meant to be like fucking America, if you love "western" culture so much you just go there.
>>61416538
As long as it's my people enforcing it it is good.
Based Russia.
>all these retarded 4chan degenerates are for this
god damn are you all stupid.
>>61416015
Nice picture, saved.
>>61416015
Le magic
>The term serf, in the sense of an unfree peasant of the Russian Empire, is the usual translation of krepostnoi krestyanin (кpeпocтнoй кpecтьянин). The origins of serfdom in Russia are traced to Kievan Rus' in the 11th century. Legal documents of the epoch, such as Russkaya Pravda, distinguished several degrees of feudal dependency of peasants.
Serfdom became the dominant form of relation between peasants and nobility in the 17th century. Serfdom only existed in central and southern areas of the Russian Empire. It was never established in the north, the Urals or Siberia
Really makes you think
>>61416746
It isn't just multiculturalism, but liberalism and individualism too. That's what fucked Germany after WW1 as well.
Fenno-Scandinavia were also pretty eastern-esque in terms of culture all up until the 90s really.
>>61416015
Based Russia
Actually, I think we have something like that here. light version of course
>>61416670
Once you realize that multiculturalism is bullcrap and not all cultures are equal to yours and mine. Some have more primitive values and ways of life.
>>61416612
>muh freedom
Of course, because the whole idea of "muh freedom" was fucked up to begin with and then fucked up even more by liberal cucks who unsurped the power.
>>61416793
Most authoritarian culture in Germany at that time was Prussian, many parts of the country had more liberal political traditions. In particular, that was why Prussia was broken up in 1945; it was seen as the main center of authoritarianism in the country.
>>61416772
Because serfdom was used for agriculture and there is nothing you cold do with them in a fucking cold.
>>61416805
Doesn't Singapore have laws against pretty much everything that exists?
>>61416860
Personally I am of the opinion that Germany should never have existed anyway, but the root cause of the problems in the weimar republic were indeed caused by western liberalism.
>>61416866
Of course. And Ukraine was the traditional breadbasket of the nation.
>>61416860
> Prussia was broken up in 1945
It was broken up in 1918. They should teach more European history in the US and less black history t.b.h.
>>61416898
There were mucho many reasons why the WR failed, however the Weimar Constitution had a number of awful design flaws that made it easy for democracy to be destroyed.
>>61416906
"With the end of the Nazi regime, the division of Germany into Allied-occupation zones and the separation of its territories east of the Oder–Neisse line, which were incorporated into Poland and the Soviet Union, the State of Prussia ceased to exist de facto in 1945.[2][3] Prussia existed de jure until its formal liquidation by the Allied Control Council Enactment No. 46 of 25 February 1947.[4]"
>>61416015
Based Russia desu
>>61416883
Yep, try chewing bubblegum on the streets here
>the former KGB agents that now run Russia pass laws pushing religion on everyone
Has Russia gone full circle?
>>61417048
Yes. I seriously waiting for revolution in following 10 years because economy is becoming worse and worse and government is becoming more and more repressive.
>>61417137
Religion only is tool for him, I am sure. He is too smart to be religious. It's like former Saddam officers in ISIS: I don't think any of them is really salafit, they just want their power back. Religion is always used as a tool of powerful people to divide, conquer and control low classes.
>>61417137
How do you reconcile putting christians in gulag or the grave just for being christians while believing in the sky fairy yourself without becoming insane and bitter
>>61417048
Some of them may have never actually been fedoras even in the old days. Putin was known to carry a cross with him as a KGB agent.
The thing you have to remember is that only the high ranking CPSU officials seriously believed in communism and atheism and all that malarkey. Average Ivan still believed in muh Orthodoxy muh motherland and of course all the back in WWII, Stalin was able to tap into it to rally the nation.
>>61417275
To be honest, I don't think anyone of the high rankings of CPSU seriously believied in communism and maybe even atheism ever since the Great Purge days.
>>61417249
By the Brezhnev era, the ROC was pretty safe and under state control with most priests affiliated with the KGB and Khrushchev was the last guy to seriously go to war against it. Generally in the 70s-80s, most anti-religious persecution was aimed at minority groups such as Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, and Jews. Conversely, Muslims after the 1930s were left entirely alone.
>>61416015
I thought Russia was the Savior of the White race desu
>>61417249
Lol. No one put anyone after 1943 when Stalin created Russian Orthodox Church to control religiofags.
>>61417275
No, we have always been irreligious. Priest is always evil personage in all our fairytales, people always hated church and kept ton of pagan beliefs until the 20th century. People killed priests in 1917 because we always hated priests. We have never been religious and that force of religion is totally new thing for Russia.
>>61416015
>>61416239
What does it mean exactly? I haven't found any kind if official reference to it
>>61417327
Khrushchev certainly did, but then of course he ended up getting ejected from office when his ego went to his head. Also he was an annoying bigmouth who made the CPSU look stupid by banging a shoe on a desk and threatening to blow the world up in a nuclear war.
Putin's wrong this time, degeneracy grows only in actually successful countries, because the state is able to fund it through bennies and "art" grants.
Russia's poor as fuck and getting poorer every month, there's no possibility of degeneracy occuring in the first place. Fringe groups are irrelevant and would most likely be beaten up by bydło anyway.
>>61417359
>Khrushchev was the last guy to seriously go to war against it
Not at all. He just forced cult of science, no one was repressed for religion during Khrushchev rule, no churches or mosques destroyed etc.
>Muslims after the 1930s were left entirely alone
After 40s (together with orthodoxes). Stalin created KGB affiliated structures to control religious people.
>>61416015
hehehe Based Russia.
>>61417249
Life during Stalin's rule was similar to any other totalitarian dictatorship. I think most really devout Christians would have been purged if they held any authority, but for all others the fear of authority was stronger than any religious or ethical convictions.
It was obey or die, and most chose to obey
>>61417416
He wasn't any more "communist" than the rest of the CPSU bureocracy though.
>>61417439
>He just forced cult of science
Khrushchev you see was an extremely uneducated man who wasn't even totally literate until he was 30 years old, so likely rockets and nuclear bombs had an almost child-like wonderment for him. It's like when you're 5 years old and the world looks so exciting and colorful because you don't know how it works unlike your cynical adult self.
If you want vision of future Russia, image pedo priests and alt right retards being boot and crushing Russian face - forever.
Based Russia
>>61417411
http://www.currenttime.tv/a/27823779.html
>>61417426
>degeneracy
This is the true degeneracy, not pol memes. Going back to middle ages is degeneracy. Forcing religion is degeneracy. Having your country controlled by a narrow clan of Putin friends is degeneracy. Having average salary 250$ and no welfare system is degeneracy.
Fuck, I would change my passport with any western poltard who admires that shit.
Also you're wrong. It's seriously reminds me Western 50s. Our youth are overwhelmingly fedora tippers who hate religion, they are mostly liberal and progressive while older generation are religious and conservative.
>>61417498
Not really, they all were communists except Gorbachev. Brezhnev just was not very hardcore one.
>>61416239
you fucking stupid dinguses
its just says that MVD can gather information without you having criminal record, which is pratice in most western countries
fucking belogandoni
>>61417609
it's not degeneracy, it's pure fascism in the non-meme meaning of the word
whether you like it or not is a different matter - Russia is not a democratic country atm and applying democratic sensibilities to it is illogical
>>61417609
>Not really, they all were communists except Gorbachev
I think even he was, but he had a naive idea of reforming the stagnant Soviet economy with little understanding of what he was getting into, also he wanted it to be more transparent and accountable to the people. In the end, he managed to rip down the entire edifice in just six years.
In short, he wanted to copy Deng Xiaoping's ideas without understanding China's very different circumstances. Nor was he anywhere close to Deng's experience, political connections, and forceful personality.
>>61417564
Khrushchev was a poorly educated, that's correct, but he was a very smart politician who came to power after Stalin and he had a very good team. He understood that we should force science everywhere. We had already ton of industry after Stalin and it was time to develop it intensively instead of extensively. Crash of Soviet Union is the result of Brezhnev's rule when he abandoned Khrushchev science cult and developed industry extensively further so it became less competitive compared to western and failed.
>>61417609
Well, you know, they were "communists" on paper, they still were just opportunist bureocrats who could care less about actual communist ideas. Might as well call chineese party members communists.
>>61416015
are you suprised? i'm not. latest good and working law in russia was civil code
>>61417426
Poor countries are more ''degenerate'' then the western democracies. The poverty breeds nihilism, substance abuse, delinquent behavior, broken families and pseudo ideological/religious aesthetics used by clandestine groups to control dumb people.
>>61417729
>and developed industry extensively further so it became less competitive compared to western and failed
This isn't really true though; in the last decade or so, Soviet industry was getting better and catching up to the West bit-by-bit while in Khrushchev's time it was way behind. Mostly because during the Apollo Soyuz Test Project, Soviet officials got to see American industry and management up close and learned a bit from it.
Pre-1975, Soviet planning methods and technology were constrained to the point where nearly every major aerospace project failed--the manned lunar program, next generation fighter jets, supersonic transport, digital avionics, etc.
Russia based
>>61417631
------->
>>61417609
Read an article.
>>61417687
It's passionate abdicating the progress and voluntary decreasing your country to the most retarded countries level. Why is it not a degeneracy?
>>61417705
No, he has always called himself Social Democrat.
>>61417730
Are we talking about politbureau? They were communists, those were the average praty members who were not communists and joined the party for career.
>>61417790
No crap. Poor and rich people are always degenerate as the former are too busy with day to day survival to worry about what it says in a religious text (or they're too uneducated to read it) and the latter are able to indulge all their vices. It's usually the middle class that uphold the morals of a society.
>>61417869
>No, he has always called himself Social Democrat.
I think all the ex-communist officials in the Eastern Bloc later went and rebranded themselves as social democrats in the 90s.
>>61417883
>muh middle class morals
Nietzsche would like a word with you
>>61417609
>while older generation are religious and conservative
For all the world that that generation grew up under state atheism.
>>61417825
No, you're wrong. It was Khrushchev who went to USA regularly, urged stealing technologies and creating our own etc. During Brezhnev's time it was not a thing. We still had science but it evolved slowly.
>Pre-1975, Soviet planning methods
Nothing happened in 1975. We were improving planning with Kosygin reforms before mid-70s but then those reformed were held back by Brezhnev.
>>61417938
Nietzsche was just a crybaby intellectual upset at the event of a middle class and mass literacy in the late 19th century. They were all like that. Go back to Bauderlaire and he said only kings, soldiers, artists, and priests deserved respect and the rest of the people were just beasts of burden.
>>61417952
what's even more bizarre, Russian cities are more religious than villages
during the state atheism period most village churches were destroyed, while city ones survived and were reused as, for example, stables
>>61417869
Depends what you understand by communism, if you mean actually believing in communist ideas as presended by Marx or Lenin and that kind, then no, I don't think they really were, if you mean somehow being into all the politically correct "Marxism-Leninism" bullshit then maybe. All the actuall communists were repressed during the Great Purge though so I highly doubt anyone in the higher ups of the USSR government after Stalin times was actually believing in communism.
>>61417990
Prolly because the big church boom post-1991 mostly happened in the cities. They rebuilt a lot of Orthodox cathedrals that had been shuttered back in the 30s, but likely not much was done in rural areas so those people have never seen a church.
>>61417609
That honestly doesn't sound bad at all, it can be a great tool against bydlos, junkies, people like "Pussy Riot" that want to cause unrest and more, not to mention it can crack down on punks and other nasty groups of people.
>>61417883
Rich people are not degenerate, this is a poorfag meme. They worked through whatever system they were born into and gained their wealth in ''moral or immoral'' ways. The only good example of degenerate rich people are their offspring, if they don't raise them right. Poor people are by large, more degenerate.
Do you know what ''da struggle'' is? Scrambling enough money together so you can get drunk and throw it all away at the casino. Look at the
poor negroes of your country for an example.
The middle class does not uphold any morals, they were just smart enough to succeed in the system. Maybe it's an oversimplification but you get the point.
>>61418064
now here comes the zinger - non-Orthodox rural communities are still religious despite mass atheist propaganda
Russian Buddhist community's growing as we speak, new temples are being built regularly, Dalai Lama is invited to visit (but Kremlin doesn't let him, because muh China)
Islam is yet another story
>>61416823
This.
>>61417906
No, in Russia they still call themselves communists but they became left nationalist party, Baath or Evo Morales tier.
>>61417952
Yes, and that's funny. I think it can be explained that they has passed through the religious revival in 90s when being religious was a trend, we had ton of sects, ROC was a very influential part of the society and not an oppressing laughing stock we have now. Putin destroyed Russian right wing ideas for ages. Any right winger of the future would be associated with Putin and our current epoch, people would puke when listening about "traditional values" and so. Youth really hates religion and so-called traditions here while wanking to USSR or 90s (former is more 20+ thing, latter is for the more young and stupid). I think we would be new Sweden in a next 20 years.
>>61416648
We have media doing just that on a regular basis, and an army of liberashka pidors in every social network too, and no one gives a fuck.
>>61416805
Thank fuck our current leaders are (relatively) incorrupt, but this isn't going to end well.
>>61416015
Based Russia
>>61418055
>All the actuall communists were repressed during the Great Purge though
That is true. Socialism was basically suppressed by Stalin so he could recreate the Russian Empire in a pseudo Marxist wrapper. As the other guy noted, he also revived the ROC during the war after nearly destroying it, once he could guarantee that it was safely under state control (back in the 20s-30s, it can be safely assumed most clergy were tsarists who opposed the Soviet regime and so they all got purged).
Even in China, all you really have with the CCP is a neo-Confucian bureaucracy and any real believers in Maoism or socialism are quickly squelched.
>>61418105
>Rich people are not degenerate
How can one person be suck a classcuck.
>>61418145
>No, in Russia they still call themselves communists but they became left nationalist party, Baath or Evo Morales tier.
I meant more countries like Poland and Hungary.
>>61418205
scratch a Russian find a Jew
>>61418205
You didn't read the rest, did you gommie :DD??
>>61418145
Yes it's true, the problem happened when Putin revived the old tsarist idea of the ROC as an instrument of state power and started attacking minority faiths as un-Russian unlike the 90s where people did have complete freedom to believe in anything.
The entire thing the United States did right in that regard was not having a state church because nobody wants to believe in a religion that's simply an arm of the government. It's why nobody attends church in Scandinavia while the mosques are filling up alarmingly.
>>61418278
I did and it confirms the idea of you being a classcuck who has no idea on how degenerate rich people are aside from media.
>>61418308
>started attacking minority faiths as un-Russian
Literally what?
All he does is the opposite of that, infact we just had one of the biggest mosques in Europe built in Moscow.
>>61416015
>not crossing yourself in front of a church
Wtf is your problem?
>>61417990
Because people in villages here live African tier life, memes aside. They are extremely poor alcoholics whose only chance to get out of village is enlisting. They are too stupid or busy for religion.
>>61418086
Lol, no. It's a tool of bydlos to oppress the others. All those Cossacks, orthodox activists and the others are way worse than Pussy Riot. They attack people, rock concerts, attack art exhibitions, destroy statues they dislike (google Mephistopheles statue in Saint Petersburg). They are just a religious branch of bydlo.
>>61418121
>Russian Buddhist community's growing
Due to mostly urban Russians converting.
>non-Orthodox rural communities are still religious
Nope. It comes the different way. Tatars are Muslim but they are as religious as Russian orthodoxes. Things you say apply only for a Caucasus region, and only to a most retarded mountain regions like Dagestan, and Eastern Caucasus. Western Caucasus, for example, Adygea, is less religious. Same goes for Southern Caucasus or Middle Asia who are not orthodox (except for Georgia) but are not really religious too.
>>61418388
Minority Christian sects I should say. Yeah I know he's cool on Islam but the tsarist and Soviet regimes weren't exactly that hard on it either.
>>61418364
Define degenerate. It seems to be different in every ideological shitposter on here.
>>61416620
At least we have other parties that are actually different and can be voted
>>61418418
>Because people in villages here live African tier life, memes aside. They are extremely poor alcoholics whose only chance to get out of village is enlisting. They are too stupid or busy for religion.
Like I said, the poor can't read a Bible because too illiterate and they're more concerned with daily survival. That's why the poor are always degenerate.
>>61418418
I've read an article on Buddhism in Tuva and Yakutia
according to it, it's growing despite the gommie repression
>>61418418
>Lol, no. It's a tool of bydlos to oppress the others. All those Cossacks, orthodox activists and the others are way worse than Pussy Riot. They attack people, rock concerts, attack art exhibitions, destroy statues they dislike (google Mephistopheles statue in Saint Petersburg). They are just a religious branch of bydlo.
And you're not alone. This Montenegrin guy on /int/ said that he's jealous of how Protestant and Catholic churches actually seem to care about their flock and helping the less fortunate because over there, whenever a flood or something happens, the priests just go riding around in a jeep with a megaphone yelling how it was God's wrath because of the gay bar in town.
>>61416015
>bet all the religious retards would go to volunteers
I'd be the first to join, sounds fun as fuck. I'd have a Jesus icon on a stick and would imprison Muslims who refuse to kiss it.
>>61418452
Mostly being ignorant on many issues, having limited worldview, being spoiled as fuck, having a parasitic mentality. Outside of knowing how to get money and power they are usually dumb as fuck. Not even talking about their spoiled kids.
Don't know what you mean by degeneracy though.
>Russia passing sharia tier laws
top kek can't make this shit up
>>61418452
Being a douchebag that abuses women/children/small animals/has random promiscuous sex with anything that moves/sneers at religious people/abuses drugs and alcohol etc.
>>61416025
also
fpbp
>>61416015
>You can be officially imprisoned for "immoral" actions and what is immoral is defined by police or "groups of volunteers".
Good
I want this in poland.
>>61418476
Dude, 99,7% of population here are literate.
>>61416397
what?
I want to shoot my bow at the bolice but we cant have everything we want without consequences can we?
>>61418162
>Socialism was basically suppressed by Stalin so he could recreate the Russian Empire in a pseudo Marxist wrappe
Popular point of view but it's not correct. All the Stalin reforms were created according to Marx. You can read Stalin works and see it clearly.
>>61418308
He didn't attacked minorities. He just uses all the religions of Russia as a tool to rule people, it goes for all religions, Islam, Orthodoxy. He build mosques and churches everywhere, forces "traditional values" and other shit just to keep people loyal and under control.
>nobody attends church in Scandinavia while the mosques are filling up alarmingly.
Btw that's not correct, mosques are popular among the newcomers mostly there (churches too t b h). It's just Swedish society being irreligious and liberal, so no one goes to churches. And the conservatives left don't go there because their churches and mosques are liberal too so they have gay priest and mullahs. That's not because government control over religion, it's because society.
>>61418682
>2016
>being a Stalinist
please purge yourself
>>61418583
>Mostly being ignorant on many issues, having limited worldview, being spoiled as fuck, having a parasitic mentality
>dumb as fuck.
You just described yourself.
>>61418667
I meant "the poor" in a more universal sense and not specifically your poor.
>>61418682
Strange because I distinctly remember reading some years ago that Putin said Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons were un-Russian and "foreign faiths not part of our national culture".
>>61418726
What are you fucking 12?
>>61418620
I see no proofs, it's a retarded generalization based on some conspiracy theories, some of which may be true, but that doesn't change anything.
>>61418583
Another generalization, probably based on your experiences with the ruskie nouveau riche. So if they aren't as enlightened as some poorfag who browses the internet all day, this nullifies any intelligence they needed to become rich?
I'm not being an apologist for the rich, but i wonder why you care and complain about them.
>>61418762
I hope that's you asking that question to yourself after realising how retarded you are.
>>61418638
sure you do dumb polak bolshevik
prison kolhoz complex sounds appealing doesnt it?
dont have to pay the prisoner minimum wage or look after bullshit worker's rights or anything.
>>61418678
I am serious.
>>61418549
You don't get force of religion here. Media and government present it following way: West is hostile to Russia and it's irreligious, West is corrupting the world and Russia is a protector of "traditional values", "traditional way of life". So government supports all the religions here, and represents it as a struggle of "damned liberals" and "protectors of traditions". The latter are the harmonic union of Orthodoxy and Islam both fighting damned European influence.
>>61418496
Yakutia doesn't differ from other regions in their affairs with Buddhism, they were pagans and than became Christians. Buddhism is growing but mostly due to urban people who consider it more civilized and suitable for modern world religion than Orthodoxy and Islam.
>>61418936
>sure you do dumb polak bolshevik
That guy's grandparents used to be PWP officials.
>>61418977
>West is hostile to Russia and it's irreligious, West is corrupting the world and Russia is a protector of "traditional values", "traditional way of life".
...as you lead the world in HIV cases and CP production.
>>61419002
yeah but then they whine when civilized countries dont want to take in the animals they create because they wreck the economy.
>>61418722
I am not a Stalinist, I think his purges were a crimes, but we can't deny majority of Stalin reforms were made according to Marx.
>>61418761
Yes, protestants are considered western and are opressed. I was talking about traditional religions of Russia i.e. Orthodoxy and Islam (also Judaism and Buddhism but we barely have Jews now and Buddhism is very irrelevant here).
>>61418883
Intelligence needed to become a parasite on the society doesn't make you a better person.
Russian rich people being more shit doesn't make others still not be shit persons.
>>61419002
Probably also worked as informants for the state police to arrest dissidents.
>>61419108
>Yes, protestants are considered western and are opressed
This is what happens when you read Dostoyevsky unironically.
>>61419058
I don't deny that force of traditionalism is totally retarded and new to our society. And I have mentioned above that I think we will be second Sweden 10-20 years from now because Putin has totally destroyed reputation of right wing ideas here in Russia. Not such a left wing as Sweden though, we will be more liberal in USA way I guess because we barely have any left opposition, it's predominantly liberal.
>>61418977
>I am serious.
damn, that must suck really bad. How is drawn art the same as CP?
>>61419058
yes, thats the irony isn't it. They will always blame it on the other. Its the same in India.
>>61419138
>Intelligence needed to become a parasite on the society doesn't make you a better person.
They seem to be doing fine. Morality aside, what about non parasitic rich people? inb4 they don't exist.
What is a ''better person''---You're just projecting your ideal on everything. Stop whining about how unfair shit is, go do something for yourself, it doesn't matter if all Russians are shit, move to the west or something.
>>61419234
>I guess because we barely have any left opposition
I know. The only actual communists there are a couple of hipsters who read Gramsci and 99% of "communists" in Russia are just Stalinist muh Orthodoxy muh victory over fascism in the war types.
>>61419108
>majority of Stalin reforms were made according to Marx.
Yeah, like which ones?
His retarded constitution?
Maybe the idea of socialism in one country?
Or maybe the idea of bureocracy ruling everything instead of workers councils?
Or that state should become bigger instead of smaller?
I'd say majority of his ideas had nothing to do with Marx or even Lenin.
>>61419276
>what about non parasitic rich people
They exist mostly in the West and they still take away the surplus. They aren't necessarily awful persons but they still do shitty things.
>>61419316
Didn't Trotsky write a whole bunch of books on how Stalinism was false Marxism?
>>61416015
Lel what are you talking about? Can't find on google anyting about that law
>>61419276
I just told you already, you are the one started to talk about muh degeneracy after all without explaining what you mean.
>inb4 they don't exist.
technically no since their wealth is still based on exploitation, but you can continue to believe your liberal spooks about how hard they earned everything by themselves
>>61419360
Yes, and while not specifically considering myself a Trotskyst, they explain problems with Stalin quite well.
>>61419422
There are people who made themselves but their number is decreasing since 70s as well as an amount of middle class, and inequality is rising. Read Piketti.
>>61419372
http://www.currenttime.tv/a/27823779.html
Things happening to us now proving Marx ideas pretty well. Economi is crushing and industry decreasing -> society falls back to religion, traditions etc. More retarded basis created more retarded formations. And Iran has been developing their industry for the last 30 years and now they are way more fedora than they were in 80s despite they still have a theocracy.
>>61419530
It says nothing about arrests
They just can make you leave bus or train because your "immoral behaviour", kek
>>61419492
By "themselves" you mean by simply working without having anyone to work for them or what?
I've actually heard about him before and his book and ideas in general, maybe I should read it someday.
>>61416015
Your country has problems with degeneracy and whores that can take a bowling ball up their ass and raw beheaded chicken up their cunts.
Turning to religion will save you. Doesnt matter if its Islam or Orthodox Christianity.
Chechens and dagestanis will do their thing, orthodox slavs will do their thing.
If one commits himself to one of those religions, he will respect the other ones. If not, you will be taught respect. If someone tries to hijack it, he gets disappeared along with his family, like they do in Chechnya (so i heard).
This will change the Federation into something the degenerate west cant handle or understand.
Also, the weak and the pathetic will leave Russia to where they feel most at home. Probably France or somewhere else, who gives a shit.
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>>61419422
>I did and it confirms the idea of you being a classcuck who has no idea on how degenerate rich people are aside from media.
>you are the one started to talk about muh degeneracy after all without explaining what you mean. (you)
You mentioned it, i just asked you to explain it.
>technically no since their wealth is still based on exploitation, but you can continue to believe your liberal spooks about how hard they earned everything by themselves
It doesn't matter if its or isn't based on exploitation.
>, but you can continue to believe your liberal spooks about how hard they earned everything by themselves
I didn't say this. It doesn't matter if their work was hard enough to fit your ideal.
You're just a pissed off poorfag commie, from what i gather, and i might be wrong, but that depends on your capability to explain yourself.
>>61416015
Also, Putin and his friends are paving the way for the coming of the Tzar. Mark my words.
>>61416015
on 4chan you are the heroes now. alt-rights and putinboo faggots will advocate it too and many russians on /pol/ and /int/ will lap it up and defend it all together. if anything this consequence is more ridiculous. it makes me sick.
>>61416239
>Is it a meme or what?
too many /pol/acks actually unironically believe total authoritarianism is the best
>>61419673
>Also, the weak and the pathetic will leave Russia to where they feel most at home. Probably France or somewhere else, who gives a shit.
Good idea, Slav friend.
Btw what you have written upon the quote is what Putin tries to do but the problem is that youth and educated people despise it hard so I think such a policy has no future and would make Russia even more retarded compared to the West.
>>61419768
>total authoritarianism
Is not the main problem here. If it was Singapore style it would be okay. The problem is that our total authoritarianism is about forcing religion and traditionalism while destroying the country with corruption, retarded economy policy and even more retarded international policy. They use patriotism and religion as a tools to keep people under control, that's it
>>61419883
They have to keep people under control because russia is one of the few things standing in the way of jew world order with one jew on top to rule them all. If it was 2 or 3 jews, things would be much easier because there is choice.
>>61419679
I literally explained it in this post >>61418583 . Is it a personal opinion? Maybe, but the concept of degeneracy itself is quite subjective.
I still haven't heard your explanation though, since you first started calling people degenerates without explaining what you mean by this.
>It doesn't matter if its or isn't based on exploitation.
It literally is, since exploitation is by itself a parasitism on workers labour.
What do you even want from me? I explained my point already, I don't quite get what else do you want me to explain.
>>61419609
Read it more neat. They can make you come to police any time they want to do various shit, they may do anything to you, they may make you pay fines etc.
>>61419983
You were the first to call the rich degenerates, i asked you what you meant.
We're just shitposting m8, i'm just saying your worldview and moral philosophy is retarded. The main point being that you're just whining about rich people and your personal spooky moral system.
>>61416015
based Russia.
>>61420126
This was you post, wasn't it?
>>61418105
If so I think you are pretty much lying about who started calling people degenerates.
It's like your opinion famalam, it has nothing to do with anything or any facts, I as well think about your position as retarded, considering you can't even fully define it and it all started with your classcuck moralist spook of "rich people are good, poor people are degenerate".
>>61420444
I was just responding to your misty accusations of degeneracy on rich people. And yes, it's true, poor people are more degenerate (in the common meaning) then rich people, on average. I never claimed the rich were better in any way other then their social and monetary status, and what it took to get them there and maintain it or simply maintain it. It is you who is a moralist spookmeister here, fuck the poor and the rich, what are you doing?
>>61419883
Im a bit concerned about that, because I constantly buy too many "degenerate" shit from Russians on bandcamp. All of those are "creative" to me but those authoritarians and hardcore conservatives would treat it all as "degeneration", anti traditionalism.
It would fuck me up if they banned the site from Russia and enforced things like what you mentioned on anyone. Hope Russian youth dont sway towards this kind of patriotism, religious ideology, or populism, and dont stand for it.
>>61416015
Russia has been on the retard train since Tsar Alexander III died suddenly before teaching his son how to govern properly.
>>61420861
Care to share some of the ''degenerate'' russian stuff from bandcamp?
>>61420444
>>61419983
dont ever respond to someone who posts "le spook man" they are children at best
>>61420745
>degenerate (in the common meaning)
Come on, explain it to me? What does it mean and how are one more degenerate than the other? Where are you taking that average from? Because it frankly does seem like a baseless spook to me.
>moralist spookmeister
I think you are just projecting at this point. I explained my position tou you and you can only meme at me with words you don't seem to clearly understand.
>>61416015
Absolutely based. Western countries need this kind of regulation 2bh. They are too free to have decent lifestyle
>>61420933
He mentions spooks too often so i posted it as a joke you autist.
>>61421016
Now you're just bored and using elements of my arguments to shitpost. You know what degenerate means in the common sense, and in that description, the poor are more degenerate then the rich i.e. nihilistic/and or deluded hedonists. I base this on experience and simple logic.
>>61416805
That's literally our Penal Code.
>>61419883
Singapore does it in the same way. The only difference is that the leaders are more willing to pretend to give a fuck about PR.
>>61416015
That's literally "I'll arrest anyone that doesn't agree with me".
>>61421208
>elements of my arguments to shitpost
Like you did with the word "spook" huh?
>deluded hedonists
Which I basically said about rich people. Talking about using others arguments to shitpost.
So to put it clearly, you still can't really define, base nor explain your position and definitions. I don't see what there else to discuss if you can only meme in response.
>>61421676
I won't define my position, that's not relevant, i'm just asking you why you deny the reality of the decadence of the poor people, which is self imposed and not a product of the rich, maybe your poor English skills stop you from answering properly. All you have presented is that you're just mad and whining about the system you're in.
>>61421873
>I won't define my position, that's not relevant
Because you can't without exposing your ignorance and just here to shitpost with baseless opinions and memes, obviously. Just continue being a good cuck for the rich with such world view, what else can I say.
>>61422119
Why would i reveal my position when i'm simply asking questions? You can cross reference your experience with poor people everywhere and see that most of them are dumb hedonists. This is what i base my opinion on. The rich didn't act in the way the poor do, and this is why they are rich. Whatever moral projection you make, you are in fact just whining because you are not in their position or whatever complex you carry, who knows.
>>61422412
>you are just jelly of rich
sure, good cuck
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Why don't you do what all immoral faggots do and move to cannada?
>>61422663
What else can i say. maybe you haven't revealed more about your position. :^ )
Just keep waiting for that there revolution, don't try to better your position.
>>61422862
Because I can't.
>>61416015
Based Putin.
why are you worried? are you some kind of degenerated faggot?
>>61416015
Notoo, many in NYC already.
>>61416345
>Sharia is based
t.drink vodka for breakfast
>>61422862
I am actually earning money to get out (as any sane Russian is doing now). I have an engineer degree so Canada/Australia could welcome me. Also maybe UK would invent Australia-style immigration system after leaving EU and I would move there.
>>61423023
t. I like boot of religiofags in my ass
Traditionalism and religion is a cancer holding back the society. You can see it everywhere outside of Europe. You guys are just lucky bastards who don't value their freedom and doesn't understand that this freedom is the reason Europe is so comfy place to live.
>>61424953
>no degree
>no money
fuck
>>61416015
>full retard
>laws in russia
>laws
>russia
MY SIDES
>>61424953
Immigrate all you want but don't be a vermin, While you're in canada, respect the west and stop hating on us, i've seen many russians hate on hte west and yet they live in western countries, did they forget why they moved in the first place? because their homecountry is a shithole!
>>61418364
Being rich in Russia must be very good.
>>61425369
Nah, I would put a big Stalin portrait in my room and then put on kalinka malinka on loud and dance on the streets drunk wearing my best tracksuit.
And if anyone would try to stop me I would call him racist and not respecting my cultural traditions.
Based. It will be as Dostoyevsky said, the Russian Christ will save Europe from itself.
>>61416015
Well, fuck.
usa help pls
>>61425369
I am okay with western lifestyle so no problems dude. I still think West is guilty for the shit happening all over the world and my country is shit partially because of the West. But I have no problems with gays etc
>>61418418
>too stupid for religion.
IMPOSSIBRU.
>>61424953
>You guys are just lucky bastards who don't value their freedom and doesn't understand that this freedom is the reason Europe is so comfy place to live.
/pol/ in a nutshell.
>>61425582
Would work only for fags/niggers/mudslimes
>>61427600
You are romanticising a liberal west, it's much more soulness and pathetic than you imagine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74buDTYR5OA&feature=youtu.be
>>61428066
>unironically being /pol/
ishygddt
>>61429363
You don't have to be right-wing to dislike liberal west though.
>>61416015
p-post ass?
>>61416068
Atheists and gays are the Jews of National Socialist Russia.
>>61431513
>National Socialist
If only anything of these two words was true.
Why Hitler did lose
>>61431634
>>>/gulag/
>>61425589
>Based. It will be as Dostoyevsky said, the Russian Christ will save Europe from itself.
But first, Polish Christ must save Russia from itself.
>>61431634
Reminder that if Hitler had won, Russia would be 100% blond-haired today.
As always lying, exaggerating and trying your best to shit on religion without reason. Our country is doomed, when this generation will be in charge, Russia will become Sweden on steroids.
Read not that shill fontanka article but law itself. Where is anything about imprisonment? "пpoфилaктичecкиe бeceды" and "coциaльнaя aдaптaция и peaбилитaция" sounds really scary. Law is about doing something with chronic drunks, insane homeless people, drug addicts and maybe, if you going to be negative, fucking with political performances like this guy who nailed his balls on a Red Square.
"b-but THEY'll just put me away for made up reason" - If reason is made up you can appeal and be saved from having to participate in horrible scary KGB prophylactic talk.
