Would it be worth it ????
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/scottish-independence-has-nearly-60-per-cent-support-poll-finds/
https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/348523-scotland-independence-vote-salmond/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36643387
>>61397854
yes
if they evebn get let in, and still possibly not.
I thought Spain promised never to let them in because it would encourage their secessionists
Scotland should leave this planet desu
>>61398382
with your banks leaving the country their oilfields are all you have left.
>>61398246
I've heard Spain just doesn't like illegal separatists. They have no problem with the legal kind.
>>61398246
Yeah I though that as well. Possibly they might allow Scotland to join as it would be a middle finger up to England. If the United Kingdom broke apart it would increase the chances of Spain getting control of Gibraltar, which might change their minds.
>>61398771
Especially as the administration in Gibraltar has apparently already begun discussions with Scotland about working together to both stay in the EU.
>>61398630
Most of the banks and big businesses are planning to move to paris, dublin etc. If Scotland became independent in the EU. Many could relocate to Scotland.
>>61398822
Yeah I saw that on the news tonight. The UK is finished, Scotland should break away as soon as possible.
>>61398246
Spain said that it wouldn't allow any state that broke off from an EU country to rejoin. Once the UK leaves that technically doesn't apply. We will have to see how stubborn the Spanish are.
It's certainly not in Scotland's interest. Oil revenues are rapidly falling. In addition if you compare Scottish exports to England with Scottish exports to the EU, England outnumbers EU by a huge margin.
With that said if Britain can't manage to forge a stronger, lasting British identity among the Scottish then it may be inevitable that they eventually leave.
>>61397854
We already voted against our independence again and we'll do it again.
At this point they should leave so they dont get confused with british
>>61399436
Apparently most people who consider themselves 'British' voted to remain. Most of those who considered themselves 'English' voted to leave.
Maybe it's not so much Scotland leaving the union as cutting England adrift.
>>61397854
Are you guys joining?
>>61397854
YOU HAVE TO GO!
>>61399633
there are many slavs living in Spain as well....
>>61399554
I hope so. The Scottish government is planning another independence vote, polls are now showing majority would back Scotland being independent inside the EU. We could join within a few years.
>>61399687
There are over 300mln slavs. We are the largest european genetic pool.
>>61399776
Slavs arent a real problem here. Meh, the only weird thing is to look our chuches full of poles. kek.
Scotland won't have another referendum
>>61399776
Poles in England are now being attacked and being told to go home. I have never understood the English they are always fervently anti-European but are European themselves.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-eu-referendum-racism-racial-abuse-hate-crime-polish-latest-leave-immigration-a7105746.html
>>61399942
Why polls now showing a majority supports it. The SNP couldn't of been given a better opportunity. To go for another second referendum.
>>61400015
didnt dave cameron say that the one he gave them would be the final one?
>>61397854
Yup
>>61399757
I am glad that you decided to join us, we can have our own EU. But first you must recolor that map, you got the colors wrong.
>>61400130
Yeah, but if the Scottish government demanded one and the majority of Scots supported another referendum, London would be powerless to stop us getting independence.
>>61399945
Why wouldn't they be angry at a people who come here to leech and drive our wages down in the process?
>>61400015
Not an argument
there will be no referendum
FUCK YEAH FUCK YEAH
2-1 FAGGOTS
GUÐ BLESSI ÍSLAND!
>ruining a several hundred year old union just because you're angry you lost a vote
>>61400162
Colors are showing which parts of the UK voted to remain or leave European Union during referendum. All of Scotland voted to stay which it is yellow.
>>61398246
Spain could benefit from our exit. A divided UK will make Gibraltar more likely to fall in to their hands. There is also the fact that the EU wants to punish the UK, so tearing us in half is appealing to them. This could mean that they advise Spain to withhold their veto.
>>61397854
No they gave no economy to support themselves with. All hopes for Scottish independence died with the oil crash
TWO - ONE
T W O - O N E
FFFRRREEEEDDDDOOOOMMMMM
but also pls help and rule us EU, we're only likkle. Fucking embarrassing. Pull your weight.
>>61400309
it would be an unilateral decision and therefore meaningless according to UN law, therefore London could just say "fuck off" and go with it.
Then again, this is UN law were talking about and Kosovo exists so i guess if the EU wanted to start trouble they would simply roll with it.
But seriously, whats the argument for joining the EU once you left together with Britain? The Banks will go to Frankfurt and Paris, the oil is worthless nowadays, so youre fucked anyways.
>>61399430
Bravo Scotland
Going against your interests over and over again
Great Britain is proud of you :DDDD
>>61400406
I can guarantee you within 3-4 years Scotland will be independent inside the EU. I voted NO to independence in 2014 all my friends did and so did my family. Now almost everybody I know would know support Independence. The Union is over.
>>61400576
No no no no no
Not an argument
>>61399342
There are many companies in the UK that enjoy being in the EU. If Scotland remained in the EU, it's probable that they would move here, meaning our dependency on oil would be quite low. We also manufacture a lot of things for Europe.
>>61400576
Getting revenge for England fucking up the union by fucking it up even more, great idea you bawbag.
>>61400607
Why would they move to Scotland instead of just going to Dublin?
>>61400602
You have no reasoning whats so ever, Do you have any learning difficulties???
>>61400711
I imagine we would offer some kind of incentive in the form of less tax or sommat
I'm not really good with economics but if we made it easier to set up here than in ireland they'd flock to us, right?
you're not keeping our quid. I can say that for certain. Enjoy the shitty euro hahahahaha
>>61400576
How do you plan to survive with no economy and no oil?
>>61400015
COULDN'T OF BEEN
COULDN'T OF BEEN
COULDN'T OF BEEN
just die... I have no words for such people like you
>>61400453
Didn't Iceland consider EU? You were halfway there, then you stopped it after a government change or something? How's the current general sentiment about it?
>>61400768
The shitty Euro you refer to is worth more than the pound hahahaahah
>>61400455
>Ruining a several hundred year old union just because you're angry and wanted to crash your own economy.
A strong selling point of the Better Together campaign was EU membership and the stability of the Currency/Economy.
Now the UK has binned it's member card, burned it's economy, and drilled a hole through all of their coins.
At the current trend, the UK would benefit from giving Scotland the £, if it were to remain/re-join the EU. The Euro would probably be better for Scotland atm, but the population is more comfortable with the £.
>>61400758
They're already in the EU though, it'll take a few years for Scotland to join even if the vote goes through.
There's only so long the Scottish economy can survive on whisky and deep-friend Mars bars.
>>61400799
good lad, chin up mate. Try to keep that British spirit
>>61400779
For fucks sake. This is 4chan not a english exam.
>>61400728
DON'T LEAVE US PLEASE
>>61400807
A strong point of the leave campaign was the oil industry and that's gone to shit too, you can't really say it's a stability issue when the instability of oil already fucked it.
>>61400770
>No economy
This is a stale meme. We have a gdp of $233.332 billion per annum.
>>61400807
wow, I guess ignorance is bliss
>>61400931
>doesn't know how to "speak" his mother tongue
>doesn't know how to spell either
you inbred cunt
>>61400972
Would that be able to pay for all the things we take for granted like the NHS and free uni though?
>>61400770
Many businesses would move up to Scotland from England if we became independent within the EU. It would massively boost the Scottish economy.
>>61400861
That's a good point
I, uh
I don't know any more
I know that it's not good either way, I just don't know which is worse
please send help
>>61398246
That's a meme opinion that makes zero sense.
>>61400770
>no economy
better than yours cunt, don;t worry though we're all friends
>>61400461
I know, mate. The joke was not funny, i think.
>>61401047
Even if they did it won't even come close to covering the lost revenue
>>61401053
Blame the Irish, the Hibernian conspiracy strikes again.
>>61401041
In all honesty NO. If we became independent we would have to make massive spending cuts to stop ourselves from going bankrupt.
>>61397854
>Should they leave the UK
After the vote yes
>Should they join the EU
I don't think that will be as easy as you think, but I think they would have good relations with the EU.
>>61401120
But seriously you'd be fucked
>>61401127
Ok hahah. I thought you were joking, but wasn't sure.
>>61401152
Fuck, it's like our very own version of Brexit but worse then.
>>61401041
A quick, uninformed google says that the NHS in Scotland costs £10.8 billion.
Searching for the cost of Tuition just brings me to the SAAS website, so I don't know about that, but so long as it it's less than 220B, should be ok.
>>61401271
Are you stupid?
>>61400934
I used to support the Union. But after what you English have done there is no going back. IT IS OVER.
>>61401367
>>61400934
CAUSE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>61401271
>As long as the cost of healthcare and free UNI is less than our entire GDP we'll be fine
>>61401143
good idea
DOWN THE CELLIC
UP THE GERS
>>61401367
40% of you cucks voted to leave also, do their opinions not matter?
>>61401367
Leave them and come to us... We love you... Accept the euromonies and share some of your precious oil with us
>>61401532
Only if you let us export haggis to the USA.
>>61401454
They do. That's why we're not stopping them from voting. Might let the EU migrants vote though, since it'll affect them. :)
>>61397854
Would it preserve the membership or would they need to renegotiate new membership?
I imagine it would be the latter. I'm pretty sure Scotland has sort of a shit economy, and without England they're not that valuable of a member. I remember the Scotland NO was partly because they couldn't support themselves financially.
>"WE WANT TO BE PART OF UK BUT WE DON'T WANT ENGLAND TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR US!"
Fucking make up your mind you twats.
Either leave the EU or leave the UK.
England is fucked up. Omagad you lads don't even realize how I'm glad.
>>61401657
Depends, probability is reapplying, of which the only threat is Spain, but they could be talked down by the fact that Gibraltar is would then not so tightly be held.
Our Economy is okay. It's not great, but it's not terrible either. An indy scotland entering the EU will bring business to Scotland, how much I can't say, but there will most certainly be a shift.
Also, with teh state of the UK currency and the looming Global Depression, the Better Together camps arguments have softened greatly.
Scottish people will be severely angry with the SNP in five years time. muh freedom =/= eu membership. muh economy =/= leaving Britain
>>61401657
They would never be able to satisfy EU economic requirements after they take their share of the UK's debt. And post oil crash they will be nothing but a massive burden on the rest of the EU
>>61401663
They want welfare money from both.
>>61401580
NO
>>61401657
I am not sure. I think Scotland would negotiate to stay in the EU while the rest of the UK negotiates to leave,
I so want Scotland in the EU. Please let it happen.. PLEASE
>>61401207
It's ok, i was warned that westerners don't understand humour. Or consider foreigners retarded. Cheers, lad.
>>61401789
>Our Economy is okay. It's not great, but it's not terrible either.
>this delusion
>>61401839
I read in the Mail (lol) that the Commission said we'd have to re-apply, but then the Members came out and said that there were to be no formal or informal discussions until Article 50 is called.
>>61397854
KELTS FREE AGAIN!
>>61401814
I am Scottish never claimed welfare in my life. The majority of Scots (including myself) have a good protestant work ethic.
>>61401895
The economy is fine, it's about the same as Finland and Ireland.
New map of Britain
>>61400807
>The Euro would probably be better for Scotland
Kek, enjoy those endless bailouts for Greece
>>61401789
>An indy scotland entering the EU will bring business to Scotland
You're already in the EU and have been for a long time. Sorry, but re-applying for membership isn't going to give it a notable boost. I also highly doubt you'd get as much EU money as you currently do, since you'd be bargaining from a disadvantage point. The EU doesn't need more members that can barely carry themselves, not to mention your economy would be roughed up further in the transition to sovereign member of the EU as well as whatever damage you take when divorcing from England. You're going to have to take part of their debt with you as well as loose other advantages your country gets from the union, plus renegotiate trade deals and have border controls managed with the UK. The divorce will be very expensive and economically damaging, particularly since it's an obvious you need everyone else more than they need you.
>>61401974
Is Greece allowed more money after it shat it all up on Submarines?
>>61401657
Scotland would have the worst deficit in Europe
>>61401965
How the mighty have fallen.
>>61401955
Scotland's GDP per capita was just over half Ireland's BEFORE the oil crash
>Scotland is happy accepting they're no better than modern Greece or Turkey
wow
>>61401812
That's kind of what I figured based on what I remember over the last referendum shit fest. Since Northern Ireland and the Welsh aren't happy with the choice I'm curious how that will go too. UK might be able to sweeten them over.
>>61401657
>>61402071
And it's got worse as the UK has improved overall
>>61402108
>the Welsh aren't happy with the choice
Do you actually do any research?
>>61402071
well fuck
I hope they don't do anything rash and make things worse for themselves.
>>61402040
No what he means is that many businesses and possibly some banks would move from London to Glasgow or Edinburgh. Which would boost the Scottish economy. Most of the wealth in the United Kingdom is based in the south of England.
>>61401965
Does Northern Ireland actually want to rejoin Éire in the current year?
>>61402293
Partially, but not enough. The next Ulster election might swing it though, considering recent events.
>>61401415
Kek
>>61402224
Yes, but some media reports said they were getting a bit pissy about it too. Maybe they meant some of the loosing side politicians, it doesn't really matter. I haven't really kept on top of things since Thursday since all media stations are still in complete hysteria over here and the articles are mostly shitposting.
>>61402293
Some people in NI don't want reunion, but many do. This is a Northern Irish people conflicts not Republicans. On south there is no objections I think.
>>61402270
>many businesses and possibly some banks would move from London to Glasgow or Edinburgh
doubt it. They'll either stay or move to germany
>>61398748
>I've heard Spain just doesn't like illegal separatists. They have no problem with the legal kind.
To which the Spanish government would likely say, >what is a legal separatist?
>>61402270
Seems like hoping some banks switch sides to keep your economy from collapsing is a big maybe to bet on.
>>61402418
The media here instantly went into full hysteria mode.
But that story is starting to lose impact, so now the narrative is slowly creeping towards showing how pissed off and divided our society is with the political elite.
>>61402418
Independence consistently polls at like 4% in Wales m8
>>61401965
>United Cuckdom
>all the parts that voted not to be cucked
ok Patrick
>>61400861
Not necessarily. They couldn't exactly 'inherit' their current status, but if they got all of the details worked out quickly, Scotland could be granted a sort of legacy status that would allow it to skip the formal application process and enter via a simple treaty revision.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36619907
Maybe
You just know the EU is gonna fund the shit out of Scottish and Norn Irish independence movements now to fuck the UK up and get some new members.
Who knows, maybe the US will help fund remain movements.
>>61402517
>showing how pissed off and divided our society is with the political elite.
We've got a few of those, and most authors were basically using that point to justify why people voted to leave and that it was more of a protest vote than anything. Then the rest seem to center around calling you all insane, stupid, and implying the UK is going to go the way of Mad Max once a recession hits.
>>61402544
I didn't mean independence talk from those regions, just some regret and fear that leave won. Some articles mentioned a few areas that voted leave actually get a good amount of money from the EU, which baffled some people reading out the numbers. Why did they vote leave if your area gets EU money sort of thing.
>>61402751
>maybe the US will help fund remain movements
for what purpose? Yanks couldn't give half a fuck about the EU
>>61397854
It will not leave nor stay in EU. It wouldn't be good because they would lose whatever sovereignty they have left in EUSSR.
>>61402870
>Why did they vote leave if your area gets EU money
Because the EU money is UK money we send them, they cream off 65% of it and give us 35% back?
>>61402899
Not him but Obama made some sort of vague threat about the UK staying in the EU. Some of our medias said they liked having you guys as insiders, since now they need to rebuild some spy networks or some shit. One other American politician was jabbering about how they're regretful of the Brits choice to leave the EU, but "democracy 'n shit".
>>61402958
Good point, but that's thinking too far ahead and using numbers in a way that doesn't support their narrative.
>>61403064
>Obama
Not for long. He's also now talking about our "special relationship"
>Some of our medias
come on
>American politician was jabbering
a fucking leaf
>>61400576
>I voted NO to independence in 2014 all my friends did and so did my family
bunch of cucks
>>61402958
Every country is paying, depends of population and gross domestic product. Because of this money people from UK can sell products to other EU countries without duty and other regulations. People from EU can sell their own products in UK without any WTO regulations to. Economy is on plus anyway. And after your leave, EU will not allow you to be another Switzerland or Norway without paying these money.
>>61399633
>Implying poland population isn't the most scattered across europe
>>61402899
Well everyone's saying the UK is gonna get a lot closer with the Anglosphere now economically so if it gives the US an advantage later on they might wanna keep the UK together and help fund remain movements. Idk if it's important enough for them to spend millions on now.
>>61403278
fuck off /pol/tard
>>61403255
Of course he is, he has to back peddle after jumping on board the scare tactic train which crashed with no survivors.
>a fucking leaf
if you want to memorize the names of their sluts that's fine, but my brain only has room for hockey player trading cards.
>>61403312
No, it isn't. There are 4 mln irish in Ireland, and almost 120 mln Irish in rest of world
>>61397854
Yep, we'd survive perfectly well on our own. Unfortunately the 500k english who live up here will fuck the vote up again if we have one.
>>61403317
America don't want a super power to compete with. They're rather the EU fell apart
>>61403387
Hockey? The real one or ice hockey? :)
I don't understand thinking you shouldn't leave the EU for economic reasons but that you should leave the UK for economic reasons. The vast majority of Scotland's trade undoubtedly comes from England.
Same if you want to make a pro-EU argument about having an influx of trained professionals or workers generally. I'm entirely convinced more people come in from England to contribute to the Scottish economy than all the other EU countries combined.
The only reason to leave the UK now that you didn't have before was another influx of angry Scots saying "fuck the English."
>>61397854
>UK leaves EU
>Scotland leaves UK
>Scotland joins EU
>France leaves EU
>Greece leaves EU
>Denmark leaves EU
>EU collapses and is over
>Scotland is worse off than if they had stayed with UK through all of it
Quite simple old chap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
>>61403524
The 200k EU migrants will be all for yes this time after No campaign said the only way to stay in the EU was to vote with them, Need a harsh winter and a flu epidemic to wipe all the old retired white flight english out though.
Is it true that Scotland could veto the brexit? Is it really possibly nobody in UK considered and regulated this before the referendum? From a spectator's view, you're dealing with this in the worst possible way ad honestum esse, familia
>>61403530
US wants a big friendly block to deal with rather than a shitton of countries. That's why Obongo urged you to vote "remain". It's better for foreign policy too (something we should really start doing on a serious basis)
>>61397854
>preserve
Scotland is not member of EU
>>61403621
>US wants a big friendly block to deal with rather than a shitton of countries.
Well there still isn't a trade deal between US and EU even after years and years. Various member states have their own interests and can't agree on things. There doesn't look likely to be one anytime soon either.
>>61403698
It is, as part of the UK
>>61403559
They're forced to follow England's policies which just drains them from their oil money and neglects developing Scotland itself. Similar to the UK having to follow EU regulations and being drained to pay denbts of other countries tbqh.
>The vast majority of Scotland's trade undoubtedly comes from England.
Again, same can be said about England and the EU.
>>61403581
No country won't leave any more from EU. If UK referendum would be today 80% people would be for remain.
>>61397854
Could Scotland theortically take London and its neighbors with it?
>>61403747
England has a lot of trade going up to Scotland too, its not a one way street, having obstructive tarriffs wouldnt benefit any of us.
>>61400130
Dave is sort of having a bit of a mare right now
And whoever takes the lead after him, isn't likely going to be a very strong leader, but rather, cannon fodder.
Now or never.
>>61403747
Actually, no. The majority comes from abroad and that ratio is steadily further favouring non-EU countries.
>>61403866
>isn't likely going to be a very strong leader, but rather, cannon fodder.
Is Bori strong and fat enough to weather any beating? Maybe.
>>61403761
They could nuke everything in between for us, between London and Edinburgh is just a load of northern monkeys
>>61401657
I think they wouldn't be allowed desu you need your finances in order.
Also getting Scotland is like trading in a car for a turd it's an absolute waste might as well not do it.
>>61403759
Still watching the same media which said there'd be no leave vote to begin with?
>>61403621
>Is it true that Scotland could veto the brexit?
no, not at all
in theory we could, but in practise we've vetoed things before and westminster basically says "fuck you"
the SNP will call a veto for politiccaly points - if the veto works they get support for saving our spot in the eu, if it doesn't work they get support because westminster is ignoring us
it's a win win baby
>>61403918
He's doubtful though, because he knows there's a shitstorm brewin'
>>61404039
After media shitstorm which will begin after england exit, people with vote for stay.
>>61397854
I was opposed to Brexit but I think a Scottish independence vote would be damaging to the Scottish economy even further. It could also see the move of British companies to Scotland, so its hard to say.
>>61400345
lmao your country will have a labo shortage in under 20 yrs and you'll be begging for Poles to "leech" from you. "The people are taking back the country"....oh yeah and most of them are working class...sounds like a filthy communist conspiracy to me!
>>61402627
>pound is in free fall
>British banks share price falling 20%+
>UK credit rating downgraded to AA
>Nicola sturgeon is vetoing brexit
>France overtake the UK as 5th largest economy
>500K no voters now support independence with supporting sitting at 69% for yes
>turns out boris Johnson was just "memeing" and doesn't really want to leave
>England Brexit the euros
>Gibraltar looking to join kingdom of Scotland
>Ediburgh set to replace London as financial capital of the world
They totally weren't cucked in any way.
>>61401143
What? No. We're just thick paddies remember, love me spuds and guiness goyim.
>>61405498
>>61400758
england is going to do the exact same though
>>61405498
>>61401143
Here we are, right behind you
>>61399945
>I have never understood the English they are always fervently anti-European but are European themselves.
England and the other peoples of Britain considered themselves aloof from continental Europe and vice-versa. It helps that their an island.
>>61406148
and islanders within the islands are the same, especially the gaelic speaking ones
>>61406212
what
Couldn't the Scottish succession be viewed as a Serbia-Montenegro style breakup of the UK, Scotland the legal successor in terms of EU membership and Engliand-Wales a new legal entity? It'd ensure Scotland maintain the status quo.
>>61400545
Suicide is the coward's way out, Nigel
Wish we could tell the UK to fuck off too.
We're stuck between two absolutely shit options. Stay with the sinking ship that is the UK or join the 4th Reich that Germany has just released plans to turn into a federal superstate.
>>61397854
Wouldn't the EU be getting another Greece if this happened?
>>61406562
Hundred years will pass before EU will be a organized superstate
>>61406372
The Queenindanorf!!!!!!! The Queenindanorf!!!!!!!
>>61397854
Spain and Lelgium would both deny it in order to discourage their own rampant secessionists
>>61406988
I think you mean a decade.
The Scots are literally retarded if they go independent at this point, they will not get into the EU unless Spain and Belgium stop exisiting.
If Scotland does leave, how quickly can what's left of the UK remove all those nukes and where else would they be stored?
>>61399897
If they weren't filled with poles they'd be half empty
>>61407294
Yes, 63 mln people in UK, 800.000 Poles.
>>61407435
>>61407294
Ireland was an empty field before poles have come here.
I thought most Brits don't consider themselves European anyways?
>>61407257
You're literally retarded if you're going to keep parroting this 'MUH SPAIN MUH BELGIUM' nonsense every thread. Believe it or not the circumstances are a little different than 2014.
>>61407435
Er I meant the churches would be empty
>>61397854
I wish Scotland would join the EU so the krauts can raid the Royal Bank of Scotland to stop this: >>61401043
from happening and then force the Scots to pay back all the money they took as 'debt' and leave Scotland another economic wasteland like Greece, Portugal, Ireland
Doesn't Scotland recieve way more subsidies from London then from Brussels?
