Mr Steinmeier told that new European Union after Brexit will be a superstate in which Germany and France will have the most important role and Poland will have to choose fast: join it or stay outside of it.
What do? :(
http://www.tvp.info/25939371/nasz-news-superpanstwo-zamiast-unii-europejskiej--ultimatum-francji-i-niemiec
You have no choice but to join, Polefriend. Your only choices now are the Russian Federation or the New German Union.
Choose wisely.
>>61370255
I can imagine some obese turd sitting under a Dixie flag and typing this stupid post with his fat fingers
>>61370255
If America gave nukes to Poland , we could stay outside and prevent creating German-Russian alliance that will be created for sure and endanger American interest in Eurasia. We could also block chinese silk road in the future
>>61370307
wykopek panie i panowie najprawdziwszy pewnie ma bordo
OUT NOW!!!
>>61370323
To dobra opcja by byla w sumie
>>61370255
do us a favor and stay out of our politics, yankee dumb fuck
>>61370345
schowaj się pod kamieniem spierdolino i ani mruknij
rok szkolny się skończył?
>>61370307
Well, there's a bunch of them sitting up in Scotland, and if they leave the UK we have to move them somewhere!
>>61370342
"Out" without guarantee of safety will push Poland into arms of Russia and i dont want to be poor and ruled by literal subhumans.
>>61370367
robi się groźnie
>>61370367
Wypierdalaj ruski trollu. Twoj dzien jeszcze nie nadszedl.
>>61370237
/v8/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
>>61370400
ile dostajesz za posta 10gr?
cant you polish bydlos link sources in english or something?
>>61370307
>If America gave nukes to Poland
And what motivation would America have to give nuclear weapons to some Slavshits?
In this world, either you're relevant or you give relevant faggots a reason to protect you. The only reason why the Netherlands has been around for so long is because neither France nor Britain nor Germany want to see us fall in the hands of others.
Either start working on that, or enjoy your relations with Russia. They can't be that bad, at least they won't force you to take in rapefugees.
>>61370383
and who is "guaranyteeing your saftey"
these treacherous western cocksuckers that literally sold us out to russia the first chance they had?
what are you brainless or never learned any proper history?
I've got my "saftey" right here, and that is the first priority any polak should have secured himself with .....instead of relying on these western buttfuckers and their kike overlords
Sounds great. Europe needs German management, it's that simple.
>>61370455
Fuck off, Olgino. We are talking about serious matters
>>61370455
dosłownie pojeb albo ukrainiec
>>61370476
dont like what Im saying
suck my dick your stupid fucker
I'M READY.
SIEG..
>>61370465
Germans can't even manage their own country without collapsing, starting a world war or inviting in mass rapes. What makes you think they can manage an entire continent?
Or maybe you're hoping for more "diverse" youths to fuck your girlfriend while you watch, you cuck.
>>61370465
are we talking about the same germans that spread their butt cheeks to rapefugees?
their "leadership" died when they lost WW2
>>61370521
>their "leadership" died when they lost Bismarck
ftfy
>>61370465
German management destroyed the EU within the last few years.
>>61370521
no debil pospolity ze wsi spod lublina
I would be ok with a "Super state" IF...
If the fucking earnings would be equal :))
>>61370521
WAKACYJNA W PELNI
JUZ WIDZE TEGO GIMBUSA CO SKROBAL TEGO POSTA HAHAHA HAHA HAHA HAH A
>>61370436
>And what motivation would America have to give nuclear weapons to some Slavshits?
Geopolitical pressure. Otherwise Germany, France, Russia and China begin cooperation and take whole Eurasia. USA would be very unhappy to see this.
>>61370548
zabij się pachołku zawsiarzony
ulżyj twoje cierpienie
>>61370548
>>61370582
>t. rogacze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAX4vJiO9Aw
>>61370607
pluje na ciebie pacholku
>>61370592
aha czyli jednak ukrainiec
>>61370590
The EU is the best thing to have happened to America in recent history, mate. Why do you think they pressured the UK to stay in?
The most tragic aspect of current happenings is that Poland is ruled by fucking village idiots now and i am afraid that we will make worst possible decisions now. I think that people from Platforma Obywatelska should knock their doors now and give them advices, otherwise Poland is fucked for next century
>>61370237
>Mr Steinmeier told that new European Union after Brexit will be a superstate in which Germany and France will have the most important role and Poland will have to choose fast: join it or stay outside of it.
I wonder why there is only Polish sources for this?
Sounds like a brain fart of paranoid "Polish intellectuals" to me.
>>61370644
>Why do you think they pressured the UK to stay in?
To preserve their influence in EU. Now they are losing it, because Germany and France won't be American bitches anymore.
>>61370629
>t. tutejszy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-QGKoCI1eM
>>61370644
Our Globalist Leaders pressured the UK to stay in. Assholes.
>>61370653
80% of this psuedo-country is populated by fucking retards and mentally ill crooks.
of course they will make the wrong decision after the wrong decision, the real shame is these fucking idiots will drag the other 20% decent logical thinking people with them.
pooland needs to cease existing as a "country" desu
>>61370654
>Polish intellectuals
Just fuck off with it already.
>>61370706
>pooland needs to cease existing as a "country" desu
So you prefer option of German superstate? Me too, to be honest, if i must choose between this and being a Russian colony
>>61370237
Join Russia they looked after you Germany just fucks you.
>>61370590
>Germany, France, Russia and China
>cooperation
>>61370727
Russia has nothing to offer and we don't want to be as poor as Belarusians and Ukrainians.
>>61370653
>I think that people from Platforma Obywatelska should knock their doors now and give them advices
Yeah, almost had me until this part.
>>61370706
>the man is dragging us down
literally nigger mentality
>>61370237
Get benised xDDDD
So, the choice is.
Join German Reich and be semi-rich and have niggers and arabs OR
join the New USSR and be poor as fuck and have arabs and churkas.
Man, what to do, what to do...
>>61370706
ukraińcowi nie odpowiadać
nie pierwszy raz przyłazi i smrodzi
>>61370677
>because Germany and France won't be American bitches anymore.
Are you saying the Germans aren't their most loyal lapdogs. The Krauts spied on their supposed closest allies to sell their government secrets to America. Germany is part of America's informal empire, ergo the entire EU is part of their informal empire.
The only threat to American influence is France somehow growing back its broken spine and taking the EU back from Germany.
>>61370690
Globalism, Americanism, it's all the same.
>>61370727
fuck off you disgusting piece of excrement
australian posters make me sick to the stomach
I shit on this site for not range banning these idiot shit talking faggot enablers.
>>61370772
A skąd wiesz, że to Ukrainiec? Podejrzewam, że to zwykły pojeb. Kiedys podawał się za arabskiego terrorystę.
>>61370792
bo nie umie pisać dobrze po polsku i robi typowe błędy-rusycyzmy
>>61370792
polaczki jebaczki wysrane ze sowieckiej dziuraszki
>>61370792
Nie on, ale...
Polaczki tak mają, jak cos nie pasi to ukrainiec, żyd, ruski, niemiec, lewak, faszysta etc.
Ja już kurwa byłem wszystkim.
>>61370770
>Man, what to do, what to do...
Steal German cars and drink vodka, like you do everyday.
>>61370770
>Man, what to do, what to do...
What we're the best at: losing in a beautiful manner.
>>61370807
>robi typowe błędy-rusycyzmy
Może mieszka w Polsce wschodniej?
>>61370831
jak nie wiesz o co chodzi to się nie wypowiadaj zjebie
ten debil postuje regularnie we wszystkich tematach o Polsce i Polakach, można go rozpoznać chociażby po interpunkcji
a na /polsce/ jest prawdziwy poster z izraelskim paszportem który szkaluje wszystko więc żarty na ciebie
>>61370770
there is a third way, you weak chinned cuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
>>61370861
nie po prostu jestem chamerikaninem
>>61370861
tak kurwa bo w polsce wschodniej to psy dupami szczekają weź się jebnij z rozbiegu łbem o meblościankę
>>61370868
>a na /polsce/ jest prawdziwy poster z izraelskim paszportem który szkaluje wszystko więc żarty na ciebie
W sensie, że Żyd? I co on tam mówi?
>>61370850
I don't drink a lot nor did I ever steal. Not that it matters for a autist, membrain holander.
>>61370886
:^)
>>61370900
dosłownie to samo co testoviron na filmikach
>>61370871
>polish great power fantasies
>reasonable options
Pick one.
>>61370868
Ja wiem, ale chuj skąd wiemy, że ukrainiec? Może być ruski, białorusin, nawet kurwa łotysz rosyjskiego pochodzenia.
Rozumiesz?
>>61370911
>power fantasies
Yeah, power fantasies, not a necessary response to actual megalomaniacs.
>Within two decades of the failure of Piłsudski's grand scheme, all the countries that he had viewed as candidates for membership in the Intermarium federation had fallen to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, except for Finland (which nonetheless suffered some territorial losses in the Winter War).
>>61370906
>tereny wiejskie
>mieszkania
łap to (You)
>>61370926
i co którykolwiek z powyższych robiłby w Polsce? ukraińców jest od zajebania więc brzytwa ockhama nakazuje nazywać go ukraińcem
>>61370926
On tutejszy, z bagna.
>>61370911
For germans everything other then a low paid job is polish power fantasies.
You got the mindset of treating us like dirt when you can state your opinion. When you need us it's praise and "oh we came so far since WW2" but the moment we do something you cucks dissapove it's ww2 memes and propaganda.
You know what?
FUCK YOU
>>61370926
co ty tak się martwisz kim jestem ty debilu spod deski obsranej.
wykurwiaj it martw się jakiego murzynskiego kutasa będziesz wpierdalał jutro na deser.
>>61370957
Nie no kurwa, bialorusinów nie ma? Ruskich nie ma? U mnie w miescie jest w chuj ruskich i bialorusinów.
>>61370988
statystycznie nie ma
handluj z tym zjebie
>>61370985
Nie ból dupy synek. A swoje fantazje trzymaj z dala ode mnie.
>>61370996
No to kurwa chyba jestes mądrzejszy niż GUS.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mniejszo%C5%9Bci_narodowe_i_etniczne_w_Polsce
>>61370971
Polish victim complex hard at work, I see?
>>61371027
>spis z 2002
drwisz sobie ze mnie czy co
>>61371056
Just fuck off, I want nothing else.
>>61371056
you owe us a shitloads of reparations for those complexes too, hans
and you better start paying them
>>61371056
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
best years of my life
Everything depends on money. If they continue pumping tens of billions of euro into Poland every year, then i am in. We should only avoid situation in which we become a part of this superstate for free and they only use us as a cheap labour force.
>>61370727
>Russia they looked after you
this is bait
>>61370906
>>61370957
>>61370988
>>61370996
wschodnie scierwa udajace zachodnich polakow
>>61370296
>block silkroute
Why?
It seems to be a good idea to have such a trading network in the oldworld.
You need nukes tho.
>>61371112
>western """""Poland"""""
>>61371117
>You need nukes tho.
If we stay outside of this German-French superstate, we won't survive without nukes.
>>61371093
> If they continue pumping tens of billions of euro into Poland every year, then i am in.
I'm intimately aware of a nation that sold their land for shiny beads.
>>61370938
The failure of Intermarium was due to Poland going all herpaderp we can be an Empire too. That scared Lithuania off. The Ukrainians didn't like the Polish state either and a union with Hungary and Romania was impossible.
If anyone were to blame, it's the Poles for thinking the idea would work in the first place
>>61371134
>dolnoslaskie
stamtąd jestem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BgREkkjcg
>>61371141
>I'm intimately aware of a nation that sold their land for shiny beads.
There is only one thing that counts in life: money. Poles move out in millions from this country to the West only because they were given a possibility to work for 3x-4x bigger money. We have no remorse leaving our country for money, and we have no remorse giving away our independence for money. Such nation. Unfortunately we are ruled by fucking stupid conservative village idiots and a psychopath who never had sex, so they can decide against will of the nation, i am afraid
>>61371073
>>61371083
>>61371086
>this much asshurt
Sweet Jesus, you guys are really pushovers.
>>61371171
i wyniosło cię do liściostanu jak wszystkich ukraińców
>>61371160
>If anyone were to blame, it's the Poles for thinking the idea would work in the first place
Good point. It could be different now though. It could simply mean a stronger economic and military alliance.
>>61371183
>we have no remorse giving away our independence for money
Tell that to the Polish soldiers, women and children who died in WW2.
>>61371183
>There is only one thing that counts in life: money.
Money ain't worth shit
>>61371208
Hitler didn't offer any money to Poland. Moreover, he wanted us to give him our clay for free.
>>61371208
jak powie skoro nie żyją logiki trochę
>>61371184
30 January 1945 best day of my life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff
>>61371208
>Tell that to the Polish soldiers, women and children who died in WW2.
And why did they die for pooland?
this idiot populated pseudo-country isnt worth giving your life for.
>>61371222
Tak się mówi w angielskim, ty jebany zwierzaku.
>>61371221
>he wanted us to give him our clay for free.
revisionist anglo memes
it wasn't about "danzig" or corridor, it was about guarantee that we won't let Soviet armies pass through our territory.
>>61371244
it was back then.
>>61371244
And now you're butthurt you can't leave and scrub toilets in UK. get rekt
>>61371257
>you can't leave and scrub toilets in UK.
He can though. UK didn't leave EU and didn't change any immigration laws yet.
>>61371269
He should hurry then.
>>61371257
lol UK
I would never serve any fucking anglo
the only reason I'd go to the UK is to bombs some faggots, rape and kill me an anglo or two.
>>61371244
i po chuj szczekasz bandera
>>61371277
Well, if Germans really plan to create superstate, they will presure UK to launch 50 article and get the fuck out. We will see how fast it happens. Besides UK is shit now, it was good in 2004-2007, now it is extremely hard to find a normal job and salaries are shitty. Now superhit of emigration is Germany, UK is on second position.
>>61371341
>Now superhit of emigration is Germany
Really? They seem more full than Australia though.
>>61371283
AUF
AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF
AUF AUF
AUF AUF AUF
>not posting the original document
http://s.tvp.pl/repository/attachment/d/5/1/d51736df11c6ad23221e46543829f1df1467008961919.pdf
>>61371363
They are full by refugee-shitskins out of which 1% works.
>>61371363
It's true though. Poles keep coming here. Which is good. Unlike Muslims they integrate.
>>61371371
I love tears of kikes and socialists.
seeing them lose brings joy to my heart
>>61371160
They should try again.
>>61371365
>AUF
>AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUFAUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF AUF
>AUF AUF
>AUF AUF AUF
what did he mean by this
>>61371395
why should they intergrate with subhumans?
germany is full of them just as much as pooland is as well.
>>61371481
t. i'm not a subhuman guys, p-pls accept, i'm better than fucking p-pooles, i-i s-swear
kys autist
>>61371257
We can go to UK, live there and work there because UK is still in EU. That's why markets are so calm and British pound lost only 10% of value instead of 25%-30%, because nothing really changed yet. But if Germany says "raus" to UK and forces them to implement "exit-article" in the Treaty, real happenings will be unleashed and afterwards we won't be able to live in UK the way we do now.
>>61371497
I really do consider myself superior to the 80% of genetic trash that almost look like humans which infest these lands.
>>61370237
Wasn't the EU pretty much just Germany, France, and UK running the show before hand?
As a stupid American, what would be the major changes for the other EU members now that the UK dropped out?
>>61371521
Post face
>>61371524
for starters
looks like there wont be a "yuropean army" for the britshits to utilize in the upcomming war for Malvinas.
sorry anglo turds.
fight and die for your own imperialism :^)
>>61371553
>post face
>on shitchan
>or anypart of the internet
sorry Im not as stupid of a goyim as you are.
>>61371524
>As a stupid American, what would be the major changes for the other EU members now that the UK dropped out?
The new treaty removed EU and creates Superstate.
It means that Polish army would be the Superstate's army, Polish secret service would be the Superstate's secret service, Polish penal code would be the Superstate's penal code, Polish tax system would be set by the Superstate, Poland wouldn't have central bank and would lose its own currency. NATO role would be also reduced because the Superstate claims to be ultimate protector of member countries.
>>61371588
Cow that does alot of "MOO" barely gives any milk.
>>61371603
is this a saying from the idiot village you came from?
what a fucking retarded saying
really makes your IQ glow for me
>>61371524
>As a stupid American, what would be the major changes for the other EU members now that the UK dropped out?
My guess is the most immediate change will be in paperwork on the border, tariffs, things like that. UK doesn't use Euros anyway. Its relationship with EU will be like that of Switzerland and Norway. The impact is overblown imo.
>>61371589
Ah, so it's turning Poland into something akin to a US state where the central authority overrules the lower "state" authority?
>>61371636
Yes. Poland stops existing as an independent country. We also lose a right to have our own foreign policy.
>>61371632
It's an old Polish proverb.
I'm not expecting an ukrainian to know anything about Poland.
>>61371649
New Update for you idiot
pooland stopped existing the moment this idiot infested "gibs me pl0x" commies and socialists voted to join into this whorehouse of a "union" and took the money bait they were offered.
now, they have to literally kill to keep their property, or sell it to foreigners and fuck off and immigrate east to their real "homeland".
and you know what, I'm not going to fight for your freedom
I'll fight for my own family's right, I shit on you though.
>>61371715
Wypierdalaj atencjuszu.
>>61371715
Don't cry. Quite possible that USA will join the game soon and we will be given some toys from them.
>>61371737
there you go thinking these western treacherous cocksuckers will give a rotting fuck about you , again
pooloks never learn do they?
you know what will happen should russia decide enough is enough and force this idiot infested shithole to close down all these NATO bumfucks?
They'll let the DUMB POOLOK fight and die and then when this shithole is overrun they'll turn tail and fall back west....leaving this shithole of idiots to take it remorselessly up the butt from Ivan
fuck, they may even sell valuable intel to moscow, know how trustworthy those fuckers are.
>>61371822
>there you go thinking these western treacherous cocksuckers will give a rotting fuck about you , again
Today is different than 1939, moron. Everything is different, and you still look at everything through prism of XX century
>>61371843
>it's 2016 goys!!!
whatever, retard, no more (you)s for u
>>61371843
He's right about one thing.
Anglos are still anglos, trusting them is a mistake.
>>61371860
USA is not anglos anymore.
Why are Poles such ungrateful garbage people?
>>61371946
who invited you here bulgar trash?
keep your nose in your own shithole
>>61371870
They're even worse. They're anglo-jews.
>>61371946
And we should be grateful for what exactly, you steppe nigger.
http://uatoday.tv/politics/poland-initiates-creation-of-assembly-for-visegrad-four-romania-and-ukraine-679865.html
intermarium when?
>>61372155
If USA doesn't support it with giving us nukes and guarantees of safety independent of weakening NATO, it doesn't have any chance to be created. If USA leaves us alone, we join German Reich, because we don't want to die, we want to live like everybody else.
>>61372192
Germans can't protect Poland. Germany has a garbage army and no nukes.
>>61372228
France has nukes and Germany can develop them in months
>>61372192
If the french elect le pen, who is anti EU but also anti amerika, do you might get nukes from them instead in exchange for going along the EU disintegration.
Its unlikely tho.
>>61370237
Yes, Germany will have the most power in such a state but this is a good thing. You can compare it with the Third Reich but without the overt racism, extreme social policing and the death camps. Making it pretty tame really.
>>61372235
>Germany can develop them in months
At this point, you can probably google the blueprints and buy the materials online. Even poos in the loo have nukes.
>>61372249
I think that now such people like Le Pen will be isolated even more in French politics, or even blackmailed to shut up. New order is being created in Europe in which France will play almsot imperial role, just like Germany
>>61372256
And yet its aim is ethnic cleansing of Europeans once again.
This process of creating new order in Europe will last many months yet. I pray to God, so our shitty politicians didn't make bad decisions. Now it is a matter of life or death for Poland.
realistically Poland can only develop if they become isolationist. becoming an economic partner with rich countries like Germany and France only means you will do shit jobs for them and they will steal money from you for nothing in return. back when Poland was communist in the 80s they were forced to manufacture everything for themselves.
>>61372499
We would be defenceless if we stayed out without any guarantees from USA. NATO will disintegrate too soon, probably.
So what that we would develop faster, if we were consumed by Russia few years later?
If we don't get any offers from USA, we choose to be a subcontractor of Germany forever and our companies will work for needs of their companies forever. We will always be poorer than Germans, but at least our standard of life will be steadily growing and we will be much richer than our Eastern neighbours and could exploit them as we do today.
>>61372499
Being isolationist isn't really an option when you're situated on a plain between Germany and Russia.
>>61372694
II RP made policy of "balance between enemies" and we all know how tragically it ended for Poland. Now Poland must choose the occupant, like other countries did century ago. Such countries like Switzerland or Denmark accepted German overmasters and today they are unbelievable rich, because they weren't destroyed by nazis and Russia.
>>61372566
>>61372694
Germany can't do shit. They have no army. The point he was making is implementing tariffs would allow local industry to grow.
>>61372824
Germany can do everything. They can build the biggest army in Europe in 3 years if they wanted.
>>61372807
They're rich because they didn't spend decades rotting under communism.
>>61372861
Yes. But Poland made stupid decisions and became a communist shithole.
>>61372274
>France will play almsot imperial role, just like Germany
france is currently errupting into a revolution and it's only a matter of time till it spreas to goymoney.
nah, the future is not bright for yuropoors
not bright at all.
now it's only of matter who fucks who over first.
>>61372842
And who would fight in it? Turks and nu-males? Germans don't respect army as a profession and a democracy consisting of a growing number of non-natives is impotent.
>>61372870
I'm just saying being turned into rubble isn't the only reason.
>>61372901
>And who would fight in it?
We have a lot of lumpenproletariat in UK, Germany and Poland who would gladly serve in German army if paid well. Those who live currently in UK would have to come back anyway, at least most of them
>>61372694
Then you should join BRIC, India and China are both nuclear powers so they will protect you from Russia, and your industry is at least equal to that of Brazil, China, Russia, India
>>61372952
>Then you should join BRIC, India and China are both nuclear powers so they will protect you from Russia
China is too far away and didn't manage to build here Silk Road infrastructure yet to protect it, and India is a fucking third world country placed even more remotely with GDP per capita 8x smaller than Poland's
>>61371822
>>61372192
Honestly, despite what I see fly around here, in the US if push came to shove, most people have a positive feeling about the Polish. A lot of us have ancestral connection to them, particularly in the Midwest, and there is a growing collection of first gen immigrants from Poland, and former soviet bloc countries all along the eastern coast. Particularly in central Florida.
The USAF is basically living in Poland at Lask.
As for the future of Poland, I wish you guys well. I strongly believe in self determination, but really only see 3 choices.
1. Join the EU, become a state.
2. Remain independent, and live in "fear" of russia, but generate closer US ties, and feel a short term amount of spite from the EU, though they like money and trade, so it wont be able to stretch past a decade.
3. On the flipside, and it wont happen despite it being a pretty good idea, Join the US as a state. Flag flys sightly lower, and use US currency. All rights and laws improve, economy improves, freedom of travel: improved. National security? You are fucking America. Oh and get this shit, it would probably force the US to change its name to the United States of Earth or something equally obnoxious, so that's a personal victory right there.
4. The US population eats more Pączki, and a majority dies off resulting in a polish voting majority.
5. You into space.
Same shit that the Philippines should have done.
But back to realism. Words full of hard choices. I wish you well.
>>61373163
whoops. i guess 4-5 should really be supporting decisions to 3, but I am pretty out of it after working all weekend.
Oh. US wage slaves. that's pretty great too. if you hate life.
>>61373163
>I wish you well.
Thx
>>61373163
>3. On the flipside, and it wont happen despite it being a pretty good idea, Join the US as a state.
I can't believe you're seriously proposing that. It's completely unrealistic and bordering on unhealthy power fantasies. When has something like that ever happened? Can you imagine offering Israel the same?
Besides, it's not like this is your government's own wish as it has demonstrated in the recent years, what with the defence system fiasco or the VISA issue. Poland was America's supporter to a degree only describable by terms such as "brainwashed" but we've learned much about realpolitik since them. Well, some of us did, at least.
>>61372192
>we want to live like everybody else.
but everyone else is dying
let us flip together
>>61373359
USA is run be a secularist plutocracy that despises all christians and wants nothing more than to see every crossfag nation wiped off the map.
And it include Poland.
Why would any polak trust a yankee vermin cocksucker is beyond me.
they're literally begging to get their throat slit.
>>61373454
Americans are christian, you idiot. Russia is incomparably more atheist, antichristian and satanist than USA.
>>61373454
we've got a rare speciment of tinfolius polakus here
be quiet or you'll scare it away
>>61373499
>>61373512
masonskie kurwy spotted
>>61373574
Christians are not even majority in Russia, while they are 80% of all people in the USA, you faggot.
>>61373359
*maximum overshrug* I dont know about unhealthy power fantasy. If you want to go that route we could argue back and fourth over trivial points like you inflicting your opinion on me, but we travel dangerously close into stupid territory despite already being on 4chan.
As for Israel, fuck, they want to join the US? Sure.
Want to see a global cluster fuck. China joins the US. If they did, and then elected Chinese delegates to positions of power, they have the manpower to outvote anything and everything, completely taking advantage of our system. Soft takeover, no shots fired. Would never happen, but good conversation for the giggles.
I think at the end of the day, the idea of the EU is a good one. The execution is flawed, but then, very few ideas survive contact with reality.
It would be nice to just "rip off the band-aid" and move on with globalization. Its going to fucking suck no matter what we do, or what we wish. We can delay it, sure, and we can dress it up however we want to, but down the road, it will happen.
Sure as you all on int use the internet and can understand english at various levels, here in the US there is a gradual "subversion" of our media and culture towards a globalcentric one.
Still, fuck it, im just gonna chill, and observe. World is mostly run by plutocracy, I just wish the fuckers would quit thinking we common folk are too dumb to see it. Just too dumb to really care.
>>61373574
...oga booga booga!
>>61373616
>all that 'spiritual' and atheist
there is hope yet for Russia
>>61373616
masonska lying disinforming kurwa faggot
>>61373730
Everybody is doing this stuff, dude. It is symbolic and traditional. That's photos taken few days ago:
https://www.msz.gov.pl/pl/aktualnosci/wiadomosci/wizyta_ministra_witolda_waszczykowskiego_w_izraelu_i_palestynie
Sorry I'm dumb but wtf is this superstate?
>>61370237
I hate Polish immigrants as much as the next guy but what I don't understand is why Polish people don't hate them as well.
Is it not considered traitorous to abandon your home country in persuit of money? Leaving behind the elderly and sick to fend for themselves in an aging economy?
Literal traitors leaving a sick country to come and fuck up another country.
Poland should be doing more to discourage treason and encourage their young men to stick and contribute to their naiton.
>>61373967
More or less the same as EU, but with common fiscal policy, your army would be a part of the superstate army and wouldn't be commanded only by your generals, you would also lose a right to have your own foreign policy, because all international relations would be regulated by the superstate diplomacy
>>61373991
>Is it not considered traitorous to abandon your home country in persuit of money?
Fuck no, it is rational and i was doing it to for many years. Otherwise i wouldn't have my own flat now without taking slave-loan in bank.
> Leaving behind the elderly and sick to fend for themselves in an aging economy?
We still have a lot of our own workforce, besides these jobs that are not taken by Poles anymore are taken by somebody else:
http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/254993,Poles-employing-Ukrainians-en-masse
> Literal traitors leaving a sick country to come and fuck up another country.
Our economy is doing pretty well, only salaries are lower than in Western Europe, that's why people refuse to work for low salaries and move West. Jew-genetics. ;)
>>61373621
>*maximum overshrug* I dont know about unhealthy power fantasy. If you want to go that route we could argue back and fourth over trivial points like you inflicting your opinion on me, but we travel dangerously close into stupid territory despite already being on 4chan.
You sound insulted, as if I hurt you by rejecting the "generous offer" of becoming a US state. What you don't understand is that your offer itself is insulting. Despite what the memes posted here would tell you, we did not trade our sovereignty for economic prosperity when we joined the EU.
After all, Poland is not America's 'ally', at least not in the eyes of your own government. We're merely a tool to be used against Russia and then left to fend for ourselves and suffer the consequences once you've achieved your short-term goals.
Don't get me wrong, it's very unlikely Poland and Russia become strategic partners, both due to our history and, lets be honest here, difference in power and influence. Our hope lies in turning into the West, together with other Central countries, at least until the Central Europe can stand on its own. Unfortunately, it would seem that the less there is of America in this West we look up to, the better for everyone involved. Instead of attempting to create one multi-cultural conglomerate out of Europe, having another buffer-layer consisting of economically 'uplifted' Eastern Europe should suffice, unless there's the threat of EE turning against its former benefactors.
The rest of your post is pretty incoherent.
>>61374071
So basically the solution to the problem is just to import millions of Ukranians?
Fucking hell.
How does it feel to always be pressed in between Germany and Russia?
Germany and France will have the most important role in the future EU cause they'll be the only two countries left in it
>>61374182
D-depends. Russia-chan and Germany-chan sometimes press too h-hard with their big b-breasts and I dissapear.
>>61374119
Well, it is a problem of our companies where they take workers from. Your problem is that Poles move to your country but you are unable to move to other country and get 4x bigger money for doing the same job that you did in UK. You must stay in your shithole and compete with all these Poles who agree to work for lower wages and work better than you. It creates hatred and frustration, i can understand it. Situation of Poland is completely different. We can give like million of short-period (6 months) visas to Ukrainians every year, because those Pols who could take these jobs work abroad for higher salaries, and if Ukrainians take our jobs in Poland, nobody is angry and nobody is hurt. You got that? Poles only become richer as nation and country, the only one who is fucked is you.
>>61374182
It was 'tolerable-okay-pretty good' until the XVIIIth century.
>>61374002
So this superstate is being proposed by whom? Is this why the teabaggers voted to exit the EU?
>>61374182
>How does it feel to always be pressed in between Germany and Russia?
It is a problem for last 1000 years. Sometimes we managed to keep independence, sometimes we were disappearing from map for 123 years.
>>61374282
>So this superstate is being proposed by whom? Is this why the teabaggers voted to exit the EU?
It will be presented to all V4 countries in Prague soon (because you still have leadership of V4 yet), so you will hear about it for sure. It is a common project of Germany and France foremost.
>>61374332>>61374332
Fuck, i was thinking that i was talking to Czech Republic, but i am talking to fucking Phillipines, kek
>>61374236
and these Ukranians are respectful of your law and women and behave and speak in Polish in public?
What about the Poles who dont have what it takes to migrate? Those with sick to take care of or who do not have the desire to move abroad? They are just fucked because Ukranians are filling all of the unskilled work?
>>61374295
>It is a problem for last 1000 years
Way to ignore our influence and prosperity throughout the millennia just because of the last 3 centuries. Hopefully, in the future our location and neighbourhood will be used as advantage.
>>61374360
Nobody is fucked by Ukrainians. Our economy grows so fast that there is job for everyone so far. Besides number of Poles who would want to pick strawberries, work in meat-factories or clean apartments is extremely low nowadays. Cleaning could be made mainly by old Polish ladies who were doing the same stuff in commie-Poland, but they die out, and no Pole wants to work in meat factories because work is too hard for them and they are not stupid to waste their health for low salaries, while they can do the same stuff in UK for much better money.
>>61374360
Poles who move to UK have a right for residing, work and retirement. Ukrainians have no rights at all, they can't buy here house or establish company without special permissions. Most of them are given only 6-months-job-visas and are being kicked out back to Ukraine after companies stop needing them. Most of them work in seasonal jobs too.
look at this butthurt lmao
>>61374517
You will be fucked even more now imo, because workers from Central-Eastern Europe will be replaced by new waves of pakis and somalis. They guys are not especially hardworking, nor especially smart, so in long term your economy will resemble this of Spain's or Brazil's probably. But it is your choice and i can respect it. Every country has populists and they are exceptionally successful nowadays
>>61374441
>>61374513
wow you guys really do have it sorted
whats going to happen when France and Netherlands also vote to leave the EU?
Is Germany and Sweden enough?
>>61374579
>whats going to happen when France and Netherlands also vote to leave the EU?
New EU will be created soon most probably, with much bigger level of integration. But first they need to force you to implement 50 article and kick you out brutally.
>>61374578
>workers from Central-Eastern Europe will be replaced by new waves of pakis and somalis
Only if the new post-Brexit government leave Visa application as easy as EU-free movement legislation.
The Leave campaign pledged an Australian style point based system so it will not be so easy to the point where Eastern European migration (in the hundreds of thousands per annum) will just be "replaced".
>>61374579
I read this recently.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/the-eu-will-treat-britain-like-greece/
What are the odds that Britain will be made an example? Can the EU truly impose such one-sided conditions? Does it make sense to weaken GB, given they're still part of Europe, much as they seem to resent that fact?
>>61374627
I think that you will be fucked by banks and companies anyway, but more brutally. They showed you a scapegoat (muh, Poles stealing jerbs :D) and you fell for it like retards you are.
>>61374621
>kick you out brutally
Yea it will be so brutal for us watching millions of crying Poles at Calais get denied entry because they dont have enough points to get in on our new immigration system because all they have is crappy building permit whilest terrorists ("""refugees""") from Syria continue to bomb Europe's shit all the while France and many more pushing for their own EU exit.
>>61374737
>Yea it will be so brutal for us watching millions of crying Poles
We have other EU countries to go to work, dude. Besides i believe that your governmnt will be giving Poles passports like candies.
>>61374737
Your country has no industry, your economy is completely dependent on financial services. After you get kicked out from EU for real, Frankfurt will become the new financial hub of this region of the world and you will be marginalized and pauperized. Chinks visited your country few months ago only because they realize that London City is a financial hub of whole Europe.
>>61374681
>What are the odds that Britain will be made an example?
I don't even think they have the power to do that, and there is no way they can treat us like Greece because we are not at the mercy of German finances. Hollande and Merel are already pushing the EU to speed up the negociation process because of the impact that the referndum alone has had on German and French manufacturing industry and exports. Their economies are very dependent on us (we are also extremely dependent on them, admittedly), they simply do not have the bargaining power to fuck us over like they can with the Greeks.
All Britain has to do is survive for a couple of years and show France that it is possible to survive outside of the EU and then France will follow us.
This is why the EU is shitting its pants and pushing for extreme integration fast.
>>61374104
you keep attempting to curb any conversation towards your attempt at debate, that is really the only thing remotly annoying. At this point thought I think I have a bearing on your personality type, and that is that you will doggedly seek conflict, and a victory condition in this exchange that has none.
Hats off to you, I cease our exchange, I also do not think you represent all of poland, nor I all of the US.
Good day.
>>61374841
The Eurozone is fucked, its growth is stagnating, its currency is crashing and the mejority of its member states are in terminal decline and recession.
In the short term, it will hurt London's finance sector being exludede from Europe (if they choose to do that), but in the long term it will be great watching the plumes of smoke and civil war in Europe as Merkel and Junker try to scrape together some unity as right wing populists get more and more angry as the Eurozone economy gets more and more fucked.
Remaining the financial hub of the world depended upon Britain leaving the EU, in the long run.
>>61374963
I think that the superstate won't include failed economies like Greece or Portugal, as well as they will give up Russian periferia like baltic states. That's my guess.
>>61375019
Do you honestly believe France is going to allow this rapid integration when by number of votes alone Le Pen's FN won the last General Election, and furthermore were considered more eurosceptic than Britain before any of our referendum stuff started?
They are already pushing for their own referendum. Germany alone cannot prop up Eastern and Southern Europe, this 'superstate' is beginning to look smaller and smaller...
Germany should learn from history. It doesn't matter who does it, every single attempt at European unification fails since the start of time. We are to unique from one another economically and culturally, that is what makes Europe so beautiful compared to the rest of the world's continents. Poland was unique as well once, before it got it's national identity erased by communists.
>>61375166
I don't care how this new union will look, the only thing i know is that Poland should be as close to Germany as possible now. We can't make the same mistake that we made in 1939.
>>61374939
There's seeing conflict where there isn't one and there's being oblivious to one's own wrongdoing or worse, making it seem like something else, something innocent.
>I also do not think you represent all of poland, nor I all of the US.
Obviously. Still, diversity brings a lot of potential to a conversation, don't you think?
>Good day.
Likewise.
>>61370237
Fuck off polak and all of you Rússlanð for russian only we dont need you as a friend you are all losers for us
No one give a fuck about polaks and all of you not jews not niemicy not rosjanini you polaks are all losers thet will never gona be in space or have nukes fuck you and your mother i am fucking a polish girl right now us we speek hahahahahah russia dont have friend and dont need friends
Fuck you all russia dont need you we have nukes and we dont give a fuck about all of you reade this fucking eu fags
Хopoшo, чтo нeт Цapя.
Хopoшo, чтo нeт Poccии.
Хopoшo, чтo Бoгa нeт.
Toлькo жeлтaя зapя,
Toлькo звeзды лeдяныe,
Toлькo миллиoны лeт.
Хopoшo - чтo никoгo,
Хopoшo - чтo ничeгo,
Taк чepнo и тaк мepтвo,
Чтo мepтвee быть нe мoжeт
И чepнee нe бывaть,
Чтo никтo нaм нe пoмoжeт
И нe нaдo нaм cyки пoмoгaть
Mы caми и никтo нe cнaми, cлaвa pycь
Cлaвa ты мoй poд вce дpyги нapoды идyт пoд нaми пo тaмy штo зтo нe нaшe бpaтя и нe нaш нapoд
Pycь cилa :) ктo нe cнaми тoт пoд нaми
Russia dont need no one we have our army and our nukes :) fuck you all eu fags
>>61375639
Kosher vatniks ass exploded :D
Sparing the Germans after WW2 was a mistake
>>61375639
>I am not a jew and i dont give a fuck about jews
So get the fuck out from Eretz Yisrael, slavshit. I heard from my Jewish friends that you even refuse to learn Hebrew properly and watch Russian vatnik-media instead.
>>61370455
>CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIN
They want to create FRONTEX - first in the world international border guard that would protect Europe from refugees.
I wonder if it is going to work
>>61375687
One word for you .....
.......
.......NUKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SOON
Fucking polaks my gf name agniszka and i can speak polish and talk i dont want to kill you but i guss i will have to :(
Shit shes right now in the kuchnia in my nowy dom making me na kolacje kanapki z kotlet schbowy and kawa wanilowa best food of my life
>>61376105
>protect Europe from "refugees"
You mean take them all on EU boats and escort to the nearest EU port where they all receive EU monies
>>61376113
Autism in it's purest form - wild, unbound, undiagnosed.
>>61376113
>.......NUKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SOON
We are accustomed to die, you know? If you want to scare me or smth, it doesn't work
> my gf name agniszka and i can speak polish
Prove it. Take photo or smth. Or make her write something in Polish
>>61370237
Will Poland ever stopped being bullied?
I sincerely wish you the best and hope that one day your country becomes strong enough to not have to put up with this shit.
>>61376289
>I sincerely wish you the best and hope that one day your country becomes strong enough to not have to put up with this shit.
Russia and Germany would have to disappear to make it happen :(
>>61376215
No problem Give me your mail and I will send you I don't want pepole to fap on her on 4chan
>>61370237
Stay out and remain a sovereign country between EU and Russia ;^)
>>61370778
>The only threat to American influence is France somehow growing back its broken spine and taking the EU back from Germany.
Don't forget France is now the US' "best ally" which is another way to say "most obedient lapdog". There will be decades before we grow a spine again.
Also, we are literally irrelevant in the EU. Germany has most if not all of the political and economic power.
>>61370455
>and who is "guaranyteeing your saftey"
Germany
No matter what you might think about is, it is a fact that Germany never betrayed Polan
>>61370237
If you choose to stay you're welcome
If not you'll make a nice neighbour
Enjoy commieblocks brother
>>61376661
If we were ruled by previous government, we would be in 100%. But we are ruled by fucking Kaczyński so everything is possible :(
Why would an Europan superstate be so bad?
Its not as if Poland would be a rightless subject. Poles would be EU citizens with the same rights and opportunities as everybody else
>>61376709
They'd still be a minority in a predominantly western block, I can understand why they might not like what that entails.
>>61376733
I think that you would swallow whole V4
>>61376733
They will be minority no matter what they do, because there are less poles than Germans
But i think it would be preferable for Poland to be part of an EU superstate than becoming a vassal of Russia or EU
>>61376785
>But i think it would be preferable for Poland to be part of an EU superstate than becoming a vassal of Russia or EU
Why? As a vassal they'd probably have more freedom in regards to their inner politics than as a member
>>61376816
but they would have no influence on EU politics.
They would need to negotiate with EU as a whole.
But if they are part of EU, they can find allies within the superstate and push their interests
>>61376857
>but they would have no influence on EU politics.
They wouldn't have any meaningful influence anyway though
>They would need to negotiate with EU as a whole.
If they'd go against the grain as a member they'd basically have to do that too
> But if they are part of EU, they can find allies within the superstate and push their interests
There is no reason why they couldn't find allies within the EU while they are outside of it
>>61376955
Well, I am sure nobody will force Poland into federal Europe
At some point, they will have the choice between joining the integration process of the new superstate or staying in EUs sphere of influence
>>61371183
>Unfortunately we are ruled by fucking stupid conservative village idiots
What makes you think you are not the same idiot conservative village people that rule you?
Face it Pooland, its shit because its shit.
>>61373163
>All rights and laws improve
>He thinks US SLAVISTAN won't be a SLAV country
>>61377041
>>61377153
> Brits are currently making racist pogroms on streets
> He calls Poland "conservative" and "shit"
>So what will it be Polan?
>>61377153
Look who is talking. A country of poor peasants who were cleaning Swedish toilets before they found oil.
>>61370237
>that new European Union after Brexit will be a superstate in which Germany and France will have the most important role
It was already the case desu.
Poland is between russia and the EU.
Go swiss style and stay neutral if you don't want history to repeat.
Poland leaving would be a huge "fuck you" after all the money the Union invested in that country.
>>61376603
I send you chack your mail
>>61377535
Beeing neutral hasn't really worked out for Poland in the past.
Their only choice is to take sides, either EU and Russia. To me, it seems like the former would be a better choice
>>61377535
Not OP but,
>Go swiss style and stay neutral if you don't want history to repeat.
I don't have that much lube for what would happen.
>
Poland leaving would be a huge "fuck you" after all the money the Union invested in that country.
I think so as well.
I'm personally in favour of bringing our earnings to some EU average, and than helping poorer countries. I got no problems with it.
